Okay so I wanted there to be a discussion thread because I've got some theories and unlike some people I don't necessarily want to share them with the characters of the quest.

My biggest theory at the moment is that Chee isn't nearly as old as he/she thinks she is. Chee said that the voices have been around as long as he/she can remember, but WE only remember being around since the opening panel of the first Chapter. That, combined with the fact that there's literally no one around to corroborate any of Chee's background story leads me to suspect that perhaps Chee didn't come into existence into just that moment, and all that past history was nothing more than implanted memories from whoever created Chee. Of course, there are some problems with this, such as how Chee would know about that which was on the map we had him/her draw, as well as the necromancer's claim that we'd been dead for at least a year (but if that's merely measured by how distant he could feel the presence of life within a body then it's no matter), but it's still a possibility.

Anyone else got any ideas about the Mystery of Chee?

so... is there a canonical logical internally consistent reason within the story why cheelop is literally genderless, blank down there. Or is it just to prevent this from becoming a waifu quest?

>>349068
you appear to have missed the part where chee has been dead for at least a year and has no soul. meaning something WEIRD is indeed going on.

Wait... A thought just occurred to me.

The lack of gender suggests that whatever created Chee replicated what they saw, but did not know about body parts that were not in view. That might also explain the hat as being re-created by a regeneration function that sees the hat as part of Chee's body.

This leads me to the following theory:
*Chee is born a Cobold, but dies for unknown reasons
*An unknown force moves into Chee's body, merging with it.
*The body is heavily damaged, but the force has seen Chee at some point before death, and repairs all the features that it knows about.
* The remains of Chee's nervous system are assimilated, resulting in the memories that have been related to us.
* Whatever force is animating Chee is either not sapient apart from Chee's body (using a repaired brain to do the thinking), or is otherwise has an alien enough mind that the necromancer can't find a soul.
* As Chee's body has been repaired to be (more or less) biologically be alive, Chee is healed by healing rather than disintegrated like an undead would be.

>>349072
would mean that if the loincloth is left somewhere it would grow back too.

"Chee is Chee" isn't really apt anymore, huh?

I am sure there's a reason for Chee being genderless and more importantly soulless... but I kind of want to believe s/he's still primarily an adorable kobold. I suppose that's getting harder to do.

>>349074
Whatever Chee is, Chee is still adorable.

>>349075
Well yeah!

Well Hopefully he/she isn't an elder monstrosity.

Though I suppose it should be;

Well Hopefully he/she isn't an evil elder monstrosity.

It could be some sort of powerful spell that keeps reverting Chee back to a certain state. Namely, when she's wearing a hat and a loincloth. Would explain why she doesn't eat much or use her genitalia. She might be a perfectly living creature for all we know.

>>349075
Okay maybe we spoke too soon

We should probably go and find out more about his homeland and what happened there. Seek clues.

>>349087
I think making sure Chee doesn't disappear or transform or god knows what is a bit of a higher priority right now

Suggestion 2011/07/07(Thu)09:11 No. 39292 ID: 6a5a08
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Okay, okay, what if...
Chee is a mimic, doppelganger, or some other generally soulless creature that is capable of transformation, that began thinking it was actually Chee.

>>349072
Branching off of this, it is possible that, having died as a child, Chee never actually learned about gender and thus would not have had the capacity to recognize his/her actual gender, even if he/she were aware of what was down there.

Moreover, it appears that Chee is a material manifestation. We, the ever-present head-voices, may have taken a partial role of the brain.

Think of it like this: Chee has no recognizable soul, as it has left the body. Fragments of the original Chee remain: a latent psychological imprint of what Chee had perceived itself as.

We now act as said alien intelligence -- a soulless amalgam of stray thoughts that otherwise serve as the various functions of her psyche. Chee may very well still be "alive" in this sense, but Chee isn't much more than a single image, a handful of memories, and everything we tell her.

Oh fizgig, I totally forgot.

Remember how we were all wondering about the necromancer that Chee saw and no one else did? Chee was able to see its aura, and had some sort of visceral sense that this was bad (assuming we weren't creating some kind of bias).

Said necromancer also showed Chee where to go (the statue). I'm beginning to think all of these events are actually closely linked. Especially Chee's sudden aptitude for magic.

Perhaps being a "soulless" entity, Chee is more attuned to such things? There's also the thought that perhaps, Chee and this necromancer-entity are somehow related...

being soulless makes chee the best anti-necromancer thing around. can hurt their minions and stuff and they can't do much of anything to her.

The Necromancer Melt:

This has only happened twice and we don't even have the full story of circumstances this time (yet) so we can't establish a pattern as things stand. Despite that, both times the character we (as the voices) have been speaking to have been wearing the hat.

Last time it was supposedly because of weird necro-stuff, but now I'm getting awfully suspicious of that hat.

Jeez, hats aren't meant to work this way

Why are all the cool characters dying? :<

If it's the hat that causes the necromelting, simply taking it off and destroying it probably won't work: it'll just reappear on Chee.

In any case, Shabin must run to have a chance to solve this mystery. Can't solve much when you're dead.

Or maybe we should just screw it all, let the kobold camp decompose in a grievous manner and see who we'll get bounced to next? What do you think?

>>349096
Hat-related antics:
1). Chee returns to village to find villagers slaughtered.
2). Chee is assaulted by Chop. Hat is lost.
3). Hat reappears when Chee goes out into the forest on the scouting party, this has no known cause.
4). Pakin get's necro'd (Chee is wearing hat).
5). Hat re-appears when Lancelot comes to visit, the only one (aside from the strangely missing Fraga at the time) who would remember Chee had a hat.
6). Shabin takes hat.
7). Chee teleports hat back onto her head using freaky hat antics. Afterwards Chee finds missingno?
8). Shabin wears hat.
9). Fraga is now being necro'd.

The problem I see here is #3: no one knew Chee before, except possibly Lancelot, who first believed her a girl. Lancelot is the reason for #5. Either way, something caused her hat to come back in #3 and the only other connection is Lancelot, as Shabin (#7) is nowhere to be seen.

My biggest issue, however, is that the "necromancer" we saw with the creepy flame-aura right before #5 appeared, but there was no hat.

Everyone is a shapeshifter.

>>349100
Addendum: Shabin only enables #7 to happen because Lancelot (Kradis) caused #5 when he visited... and since Sabin never SAW Chee with a hat when she was first brought in, Sabin never would have known otherwise.

This means that our two Unknown Quantities are Kradis and the necro-bold. Despite Fraga's disappearance during the scene with Beaky Face and the zombolds, I can't list him as one, as he never caused hat antics before then -- and is the only character (other than Shabin) to have spent the most time with Chee directly.

or it's all a huge coincidence and the hat is not evil.

which then correlates that lagotrope is fucking with us about it.

>>349104
Which is a unique pleasure on its own, really. I don't mind.

>>349104

if it turns out that the hat is just a hat, I'm going to laugh very, very hard.

>>349108
Yeah, but at the same time, I'll be a little sad. I mean, have you seen how that hat magically changes size and shape?

>>349110
Yeah. Just like the One Ring.

>>349115
Oh gods, it is the One Hat... And it's not "Cheelop", but "Cheeron"!

I just realized Chee had the same has as Yellow.

>>349072
>>349092
That's as good a theory as any, but there's nothing much that supports it.

>>349094
That was a good theory, but now it's invalid due to Shabin seeing auras. If that's anything abnormal, it's due to our presence rather than soullessness.

>>349110
I'd just judge that as a lack of art consistency, quite frankly. And the hat disappearing/reappearing as an aesthetic thing more than anything else.

so the necromancer draws power via the hat.

remind our host later on to take a shit in the hat and see what happens.

>>349122
That's it, Chee is the product of a lich-ifying spell gone awry, she's still nominally alive but the hat is her phylactery. The construct asked >How does one become weaker in your position?
suggesting that Chee's particular situation (soullessness, surely?) is not unheard of among necromancers and lends itself to great magical strength. (Or that Chee is so weak she couldn't get weaker. I think we can discount that.)
Now we just have to guard the hat from getting soulsucked.

>>349117
In place of a dark lord, you would have a genderless 'bold, not dark but adorable and terrible as the Moon! All shall love it and despair!

>>349124
It just thought Shabin was Cheelop. Chee isn't actually weakened. Shabin just looks like Chee due to having her hat and us. Unless we're the hat? That would make sense since when Shabin took the hat we became able to talk to her and became unable to talk to Cheelop.

>>349125
No Chee lost us and Shabin gained us before we noticed anything about the hat shenanigans and then we asked Shabin to take the hat.

>>349120
>I'd just judge that as a lack of art consistency, quite frankly. And the hat disappearing/reappearing as an aesthetic thing more than anything else.

That's the joke.

I sort of asked in the main thread a few times, but nobody answered, so I'm asking here.

Anybody know who the artist of the quest is? I'm sort of getting a Reaver vibe, but I'm not positive.

>>349132
Check it out:
>>349066
He's using his name.

>>349133

So the author of Kobold Camp is making a quest now? Welcome!

Elephant Guy 2011/07/07(Thu)16:08 No. 39342 ID: 364f46
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>>/quest/323054

With recent events, I noticed a striking number of parallels with a certain infamous anime...
* Kid protagonist who has emotional baggage rapidly approaching the size of a planet
* A quite standard (for the genre) special thing the protagonist has [in this case, the head voices] turns out not to be normal in a particularly horrible way that involves people melting
* Various tropes that are artistic license in other series [in this case, persistent hat, voices in a different character, cartoon anatomy of main character] turn out to by justified by yet more horrifying secrets
* Series starts out humorous but gets increasingly mind screwing and traumatic as it progresses

CheeQuest is to Quests as Neon Geneis Evangelion is to giant robot series.

>>349180
. . . and to think i normally dislike mecha

Hey Lagotrope, I like your quest so much that it urged me to make a wiki placeholder for it: http://quest.lv/wiki/CheeQuest

lol so tsundere

Do we have to deal with this animu trope again? It's just about one of the most tired cliches I've ever seen.

>>349180
..huh, never occurred to me. I do hope to have an ending that makes a lick of sense, though.

>>349195
Awesome, thank you on both counts!

>>349180
And yet oddly enough, it makes more sense.

Not to mention it's one of the more engrossing quests I've followed.

but.. i like the tsundere trope. and it sounds like she means it when she said it's to make chee stronger.

Just because everyone out there is using a particular character archetype doesn't mean this author can't pull it off right. Shabin is amusing, if nothing else.

>>349268
True. Shabin is one of the more endearing tsundere person personalities, rather than the than the typical "I'm really just a softie-bitch"

I really hope the author expected sexual talk to happen. If sexuality is the subject, tgchan will derp it like no tomorrow. Chee better snap out of it.

>>349315
Chee is less sexual than a barbie doll.

So, yeah. Chee has nothing. Any sexual contact would have to be nose-related, oral, or done via hands or feet.

I really doubt Chee's gonna get into that kind of relationship anyway.

I got this.

we need to get someone to polymorph Chee some naughty bits.

I reaaally hate people who insist on trying to grill Cheelop about his/her potential genitalia and every possible orifice and physical process he/she may or may not have.

>>349319
It's important. Not for the sex thing, but for the fact that CHEE BARELY EATS AND DOES NOT EXCRETE. Chee doesn't even count as a living creature.

>>349315
After interjecting a love potion into the quest, I was pretty much asking for it.

Without actually asking for it.

need to toughen chee up so Shabin doesn't need looming death to admit things.

That's assuming it's actually a love potion. It's rather cliche; I'm hoping it's actually something much more interesting.

what about an inverted love potion? whoever drinks it becomes SUPER attractive to you.

Hat teleported back on Chee's head instantly after seeing Shabin.. Worth noting.

I wonder what would happen if we tried physically damaging the hat.

Elephant Guy 2011/07/10(Sun)14:43 No. 39592 ID: 29b739
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>>/quest/324687

physical strength =/= combat prowess

which is why I'm hoping Chee ends up turning into something like this.

 

>>349392
That's why I said ASSASSINO! He climbed up a wall from the sides Altair/Ezio style, dodged a lot of ranged weapons, aced with throwing knives and junk. If he's that agile, he should be able to counter, taunt, and kick Chop like a pro.

His healing spell just takes the place of the portable medicine Ezio carries around. I also hope he can learn telekinetic spells if only to reenact this scene, with REAL telekinesis kyle!

you still need SOME physical strength, in order to push the blade hard enough and not be bogged down by the weight of the weapon.

>>349394
there's probably a spell for increasing strength for a short time

Chee also needs endurance, so she doesn't get tired too fast. Remember, she tried to swing around a sword and got tired?

>>349393
we can possibly still do a wizard/rogue combo

it would be ideal for a small sized creature that relies on agility and aim. ranged backstab damage is also nice.

>>349394
Chee is pretty strong, though. We know this because most of those missile weapons require considerable strength. It's not like a gun where you only have to pull the trigger.

I think the giant is just really fucking tough.

Strength training requires you tear your muscles and allow them to heal over and over again.

Strength training+magical healing=YES

If the healing works that way... It'd be weird to see Chee as Beef McVanderhuge though.

Next time, should we ask Shabin and/or Fraga to come with us if we were to get banished? I see absolutely no reason why they would ever accept in their right mind, but hey.

I'd suggest shifting secondary focus from strength to anatomical study: that way Chee can heal where it matters the most AND strike with knives/rocks where it hurts the most.

Primary focus stays on healing, of course.

I'm beginning to think that Chee is a weapon. Something designed to grow ever stronger until the time comes when it is unstoppable. On that day, the necromancers kick us out and take complete control.

>>349472
then we need to teach chee the concept of love so when ordered to kill, chee will not listen because shabin is more important.

This is a good plan, however Chee has already demonstrated severe magical instability, and needs both us and the hat to function. I agree that Chee is a weapon, but disagree that we are supposed to just be instantly hurled out.

I don't think the hat is needed at all for her to function. It was described as a scrying device, nothing more.

>>349474
We'd need a soul for that.

>>349481
It's not that a soul is required to know how to love. It's that if you don't have a soul, LOVE WILL GRANT YOU ONE.

Say, why haven't we had a magician look at the hat and see if theres a way we can destroy it. Like try burning it.

>>349489
Chop already jammed a blade through it. And left it in a tree 20 miles away. It came back. I don't think fire will work.

EveryZig 2011/07/11(Mon)20:01 No. 39698 ID: 830984
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>>349484
So Chee = Spikesby?

>>349489
Necrobold probably tried that already. What I was wondering would be if we could attach something to the hat and get it to travel with the hat. Something like a rim of razors. (Pic related)

Guys Guys I just realized.

Chop has no genitals either.

>>349508
well he reacted the first ti--

wait no he didn't, at least not as much as someone getting kicked in the genitals SHOULD react

oh my god

Yeah, there's something fishy about Chop. We probably should have figured that out a whole lot sooner, seeing as he's twice the size of any other kobold.

>>349511
i was being facetious, personally. he's massive, but then, shabin's eyes are weird, the headmaster's a nutcase, and chee doesn't have a soul. i somehow think every kobold here is a bit off.

Chop is body. That means out of Chee and Shabin one is mind and one is soul.
As Chee has no soul, that makes Chee the mind. So, Shabin's power must be Heart. Also soul.

This is how my logic works.

chop could just be so fucking tough that a crotch shot by chee's puny legs was worthless.

>>349528
>shabin is heart

by your powers combined

i am captain necrobold

>>349531
I still stand by the decision that bolds have their reproductive organs in-part in the nose.

Prolly explains Cunny Quest and how she survived.

>>349535

Damn you xD

>>349134
>author of Koboldcamp
Could someone give me a link to that, please? I can't find it in the archives or graveyard.

>>349546
It's not what you think, it's a mod for Dwarf Fortress.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=70558.0

OH GOD CHEE IS GOING TO DIE

AGAIN

>>349550
This may become a "like usual" soon xD

Tom's eyes seem sort of familiar to me. Anyone else?
They seem kind of... sharp and glowing.

So what's our plan now, gang?

Keep Chee as a phylactery, or help her gain her freedom and become a real girl?

Uh. I never thought I'd say this, but... any chance you could slow down a little? I just woke up to about 50 more pages and I have no idea what's going on anymore: reading all that at the same time is leaving me so confused.

Too damn fast. It's like we're on /tg/.

Anonymous 2011/07/12(Tue)22:58 No. 39761 ID: b6ca92
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>>349560
You are complaining about pretty much the only quest that updates more than once a week?
>MFW

>>349560
And I never thought I'd hear that. Though I'm a little confused as to why you're confused because you had to read it all at once instead of as it was updating.

Maybe it's just confusing? I do need to work on some clarity in both art and words.

Well, if enough people voice the same opinions on matter of pacing, then I'll adjust it accordingly.

>>349562
I wouldn't change a thing, I love the pacing. These things are way more fun when they're in near real time.

It reminds me of RubyQuest, or of this place when it first started and that kind of update schedule was the norm.

>>349560
No. NO. FUCK NO.

>>349560
You can choose to read slower, if that's your preference. You can certainly come on IRC and ask questions.

>>349562
I'm appreciating the pace now. But I also know that once I end up with less time, I will almost certainly have difficulty keeping up, and a week off the grid would leave me behind for ages.

it might just be because i'm able to keep up, but i'm loving the energy it gives me to be able to mash f5 like i used to

seriously though, i love the pace, perhaps the exposition can at times be confusing, but i think it suits best being the way it is now and it's really not too bad (for me).

>>349562
>you had to read it all at once instead of as it was updating.

I was kind of... sleeping... at the time. You know?

>>349567
He ment he didn't understand why you said you were confused by reading large portions of the story at once and implied when you wouldn't have been if you read it as it updated.

>>349570
That's awfully ambiguously phrased for a clarification.

>>349567
That's not the point of confusion. He's essentially asking why you feel it would have been less confusing if you had been able to read as it updated. Why is large bursts of reading more confusing than short bursts?

>>349570
>>349571
It's kind of like how a little bit of ice cream at one time is good and awesome, but when you stuff it all into your mouth at once you'll only get a headache.

Like, when there's about hundred new posts waiting for me, I tend to skim through them and only read the important ones, instead of reading all of them like I would if there's only a few new ones. Then when there's a new actual post from Chee, I check those quotes to see what he means, but that often isn't enough and sometimes the quotes contain more quotes and I don't understand what they're saying because I didn't read the whole discussion and AUGH

Okay, I mean, most of the Quests here are much too slow and not really getting me involved to them too much. But this one's way too fast and though I was a bit involved at first, I was completely left to dust around the end bits of the first thread because I didn't understand what's going on. I still don't.

I haven't used to having to F5 on Tgchan, instead of simply checking the site every now and then to see if a Quest I'm following has updated. It was a completely new experience to me, one I was not anticipating for, and by the time I did I no longer understood a single thing of what's going on.

I'm clearly alone in this, though, so... you know. Don't go slowing down just because of me, seeing how so many others like it how it is. I'll just, I dunno, keep reading since I already started, probably getting even more confused during the time. Maybe I'll manage to pick up some key events and keep on track somewhat.

>>349572
Swing by IRC and ask questions, man. Folks'll help you out.

Argh, Chee is going to meltdown so hard if she hears half of what we're saying to eachother. Let's hope our internal dialogue is not counted as revealing secrets to her!

I just realized something.

Chee, your soul is right there you... you... DOUBLE PHYLACTERY!

>>349576
Yo dawg, the Lich King heard you liked phylacterys...

>>349575
Well I WANT her to hear what I've got to say. But considering the numerous attempts to silence my messages, it's not surprising that I'd be going against the flow

>>349584
Do you mean that you are sure it won't kill her, or do you mean you don't mind if it would kill her?

>>349585
I believe it to be for the good of the world setting. Might end the story prematurely, but I go into Quests with the mindset that the setting is larger than just our protagonist or our interactions with it.

>>349591
So...
Are you arguing that saving the live of a paladin with no qualms about genocide* is more valuable than saving the life of an innocent** (and likely an entire village) while also keeping a demon contained ***?

* ("mission of extermination")
** (Chee would almost certainly be torn apart by the immediate destruction of Devourer)
*** (Since being killed the first time didn't stop Devourer from being brought back by the Lich King, I don't see why the Lich King couldn't just repeat the process if we kill Devourer this time.)

And I forgot to mention that if we make her have a meltdown now, she likely wouldn't even make it to the paladins' base.

>>349594
Seconding all of this post.

Seriously, Z, you seem to be under the misconception that getting Chee killed will have a net improvement on the world. What you are failing to realize is that in any quest, the voices are the cause of the majority of net positive change. By ending the quest prematurely, the world might be a little better off, maybe (I personally think it would be worse off for losing an innocent such as chee), but it loses out on the more significant amount of positive change that we can bring to it.

Oh shit, narrative metaphysics.

Suggestion 2011/07/13(Wed)11:54 No. 39797 ID: 6a5a08
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>>349591
>>349584
So you admit you're trying to end the quest prematurely by killing the protagonist? That really seems like a really legitimate reason to 'silence' someone's suggestion.

Then again, if Chee dies and the Devourer is released, that could mean evil adventures with Tom, spreading chaos, ruining lives, switching peoples' bodies for shits 'n giggles. Maybe even a little bit of....

Suggestion 2011/07/13(Wed)11:54 No. 39798 ID: 6a5a08
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.... Tomfoolery.

Winston 2011/07/13(Wed)12:08 No. 39800 ID: 0d7a83
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>>349598

>>349591
Chee's death would cause the death of her fortress, would likely allow the two necromancers to regain their souls (thus allowing them to put the souls somewhere else and escape the normalizing influence of the Lich King) and would cause Tom to either die again or be free. Either way, this would mean he'd be at large, because even if he died the Lich King could just bring him back again.

>>349596
Oh, it goes FAR beyond that!
You see, Chee is very a good person, and somebody has put her in control of a significant source of power. Including power over the very existence of two necromancers. She is in a better position to destroy those necromancers than anybody else, and by feeding their souls to Tom (once we figure out how) we'll be able to channel their necromantic abilities into good uses.
Everybody goes on and on about how necromancy is evil, but that all stems from the "meddling in god's domain" schlock that fiction adores so much. This paladin can restore dead tissue to life, move souls around, and can probably resurrect people. That's not even touching on abilities he would have if this were D&D, such as the ability to rip a spirit out of the afterlife and bind it to a task. If his powers came from anything other than a deity he would be called a necromancer.

>>349605

Dealing with necromancers is like dealing with gods. Tiny little baby gods, but still goddamned gods. Priests and paladins are more stable individuals, from virtue of having the filter of their Gods blocking out all those maddening truths, but their Gods are themselves a lot less stable, having to deal with things like the transient nature of life and death, the question of who doctors the doctor, and how to hold compassion for those less powerful than you. With necromancers you end up with a lot of mildly looney people ostensibly working together hell bent on turning your very existence on its head. With paladins and priests you end up with a lot of well balanced stable people working together and doing the bidding of a completely psychotically insane deity hell bent on turning your very existence on its head.

OK this is a huge spoiler so don't read if you don't want the whole quest ruined and basically owned in every way possible.

This quest is a sequel to Mana Ritual. Lagotrope is secretly Rojo.

>>/quest/326194
Eh, Shabin's cool. She's had the voices before, and saved Chee. In general we shouldn't go sharing information, but with Shabin we really don't need to worry much.

>>349642
Shabin's too cool NOT to be told things. Besides, she's our strongest ally.

okay, let's be realistic

pretty much everyone who knows chee knows that chee is the reason necromancers have been hanging about lately, and our closest friends - shabin and fraga - have both seen chee disintegrating before their very eyes. the headmaster too (though he's not really part of the 'closest friends' list). it didn't surprise shabin, and somehow i don't think it would really surprise fraga either (plus, he has a way better understanding of magic, he might even kind of understand how it works, too).

Don't forget that Necromancers have been a problem before for this fortification, there's something else here they want two.

Now there's just two things they want.

>>349653
i wasn't clear; i was referring to the increase in necromantic activity. yeah, they've dealt with necromancers before, but we've given them one necromancer-like-dead-bird-thing (mastered by the lich king no less) for each quest topic so far - that's gotta be a record for 'em, or something.

>>/quest/326306

anyone else notice how the width of a dwarven shortsword is at least as much as Little Chop's length?

>>349656
>missed the real visual gag
>implying it isn't 1:1 lengthwise
haha

Hey, in this universe, why are Kobolds considered to be vermin? Why would the paladins think that exterminating them is a good act?

>>349665
Actually, it isn't confirmed for certain that the rest of the world has a knee jerk reaction to kobolds like a rat in a kitchen.

I'm not confirming or denying much, just that there are at least some people that view them as either vermin or in the way, and it's only those people that would actively seek out this particular kobold den. There could be people and towns that are relatively tolerant of kobolds, but they aren't the ones that would seek out caves in the mountains. As a result, said kobold den does not have a very good attitude towards outside races coming around, as it generally means trouble. Likewise as a result, Chee's perspective would also be heavily skewed.

In the paladin's case, it was simply a great evil that was sensed, and the rest of the kobolds were caught up in the mess by mere association. Perhaps a misunderstanding, or perhaps the dwarves do hate kobolds innately and make it their mission to exterminate. They didn't particularly grant a good, in depth conversation of their reasoning.

In short, Chee has only seen scraps of information, and as a result there's a whole wide world out there that hasn't had much establishment. That will likely change in the near future though, but at the time there is relatively little about the world's societies as a whole that can be safely assumed.


Anyways, and this goes for everyone, do remember that I'm very open to criticism on this. Even if I don't directly respond, I'll definitely bear in mind all thoughts and impressions.

>>349670
Oh, I didn't think about that. We knew there were dwarfs who had come to kill the cobolds before, but it is quite possible these were an entirely different group of dwarfs.

I forgot that it is not necessarily the case to have your standard (and sometimes a bit ridiculous) one-culture-each species.

>>349672
Indeed, and even within the same culture, there can be conflicting beliefs.

/quest/ looks dead without this quest being active. But I am still checking it constantly. Good work Lagotrope.

>>349659

...I simply asumed it'd be flaccid. I suppose it isn't all that unlikely for Chop to have a boner for fighting.

>>349725
In actuality, the sword+Shabin only barely conceals him there

>Lagotrope openly welcomes criticism
>Everyone discusses Chop's penis instead

One thing I've noticed - perhaps it's the fast pace, or the format, or something - is that every part of CheeQuest has had a jolly good romp in bed with my mind. I've been an active suggester from the start (dynamic IP; my ID keeps changing) and I am completely absorbed in the story and characters.

So this mindfuckery has obviously been an enjoyable mindfuckery for me. The insanity of everything has even become a staple of the quest in my eyes. This leads to just one worry - is it going to become difficult to keep up to the standard things have been so far? I mean, I trust you to be well-planned with many horrible and wonderful plot twists coming, but there's a nagging voice at the back of my head telling me that if the twists get any more ridiculous the novelty might wear down a bit. For example, I loved it in this case, but the hat as a plot point was a bit absurd when I think about it.

I dunno, just a thought.

>>349759
Lagotrope hasn't really been doing anything wrong, and Chop's penis is an interesting subject.

Also we like penises.

>>349770
You say that like I suggested anything different!

Penes are a perfectly legitimate discussion topic.

>>349759
Thank you for the kind words!

The silly hat was, indeed, silly, I admit. But no, I don't have some sense that every chapter must be jam-packed of story flipping turns. The standards you mention are quite hard to keep up without good pacing, so said standards would change and the story hopefully will settle into a more steady tone before I really start pulling some ridiculous things like SHABIN IS ACTUALLY CHEE or somecrap. We'll see how it goes though. Sure, I got stuff in mind, but there's quite literally nothing set in stone, so BAD END is a possibility (within reason.)

But more than that, I don't want to add this to the pile of unended quests, so bad end, good end or somewhere inbetween, 3 chapters or 30, it will definitely have AN end.

Anyways. /quest/ wouldn't be the same if there wasn't indepth discussion of what was to be a throwaway visual gag.

>>349950
In reality... it was all just a dream of Chop's Penis.

What is interesting is the fact that each character secretly plays the role of a metaphor to Chop's Penis and the various views of it.

... I'm stopping now.

>>349950
If Chee dies does this become DevourerQuest?

Because Tom is the most adorable evil monster ever.

>>349958
It looks like Tom doesn't need Chee to be looking in himself for Tom to show up I think he was in an image set lagotrope was posting after the self reflection was over to chime in on something a poster asked or something.

I kind of want him to start talking to Chee though as a Spirit guide thing. He probably doesn't give a shit who wins as long as he gets to eat things in the end. They could be total best buddies.

>>349958
Sure, if Chee dies prematurely we can have Tom I mean John I mean DevourerQuest.

Suggestion 2011/07/18(Mon)10:29 No. 40193 ID: 6a5a08
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>>349962

>>349962
Tom pauses momentarily, stunned by the response. Just as he attempts to explain his situation, a strange crunching sound -- like something being eaten -- comes from the other end, followed by static.

It would appear the line is now dead.

Question: is there any significance to the Devourers nickname being Tom, or is it just a reference?

>>350084
No real significance. He didn't have a name, now he does.

>>350084
We gave him the name, because it's easier than typing out "Devourer" all the time. And its more personable.

>>350084
Someone said "I'll call you Tom :3" and it caught on really quickly.

And Tom's frosty and needs a frosty name to fit

>>350116
he was called that because he looks like tom from ruby quest.

well, minus all the dark visage.

>>350119
He does not even look feline, how does he look like RQ Tom?

The bloke's great but I don't think he has quite the same MANLY PHYSIQUE.

A non electrical mouse 2011/07/21(Thu)02:30 No. 40382 ID: 484e3d
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>>350122

Cat ears I think.

>>350182
Looks more like bat ears to me, but I could be wrong.

Guys he looks nothing like a cat. The nearest thing to him is a cross between a dog and a bat.

>>350220

...who was assraped by an elder horror and gave birth to Tom. right. so what? he likes being called Tom.

Well he's cool either way

frosty

Gnoll blight, Essence of Gnoll's effects...I knew it, That kid IS Chop. D:

>>350272
Why are you D:? This means the kid survives!

>>350272
No you doofus, it's Shabin. She has gnoll eyes. Chop is just a really fucking big kobold.

>>350289

I thought it was dragon eyes? Geez you don't have to be a Gnoll to smell an obsession. x3

>>350289
The obvious answer to all of this is that everyone is a Commie Mutant Traitor. The Computer Voices are your friend.

So... the pup was Shabin.

I'll hedge a bet now that the reason we just saw all that was because we managed to send Shabin a soul (or two) enough times to make a sort of connection.

Think of it as feedback.

>>350440

Um, are you implying that we witnessed memories from Shabin?

It can't be, as Shabin was only in it 10% of the time, you can't remember something you never witnessed.

Those must belong to Clamp himself as he was the only one present 100% of the time.

>>350458
Maybe the gnoll the essence came from was Clamp. Or maybe Tom ate Clamp in the past.

I just finished reading this and oh my god it's so good

We found Chee's so called grave.
Predictions before the update?

Okay, so... Chee right now is some sort of uber simulacrum. looks like she is actually made from her bones, probably as a binding method of the soul to the vessel.

It's pretty obvious this Chee is fake, but modled of the other. I'd even go so far as to say that Tom exists as a kind of glue for it all, keeping the other souls in check.

Anonymous 2011/07/26(Tue)23:58 No. 40742 ID: 9c538a
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>>/quest/332229

>> kill all the farmers
>> force their souls to drag their dead bodies around the fields without rest

Nope, still evil sorry. I can think of some good applications of necromancy though.

1) Holding death at bay, i.e. using necromancy to stop itself. That which can open the gates of Hell might be the only thing that can close them again. see: Ghostbusters.

2) Understanding things. You can learn things from reanimating corpses and from departed souls that would otherwise be lost to the embrace of oblivion. Tom is basically this, but he's greedy which is evil, and takes the souls against their will, which is evil.

3) Efficiency! Liches for instance aren't evil as long as they keep to themselves. They don't need to eat, sleep, breathe, exercise, or really much of anything. Most lesser undead don't have quite the care put to them that makes liches so efficient at sitting around being wizards all day. This is different from your run of the mill reanimation because enough care is taken to make it efficient, as opposed to just using it as a cheapass way of reducing people to slaves. Other examples might include revenants, crypt keepers, mummies, earth ponies.

>>350542
:I skeletons don't need animating souls. they are mindless. they are sorta like bone-golems. they only do what you tell them to do. otherwise they stand there.

Yeah, there were a bunch of soulless constructs around. The issue is getting materials without pissing people off. You'd basically have to ask for donations, or go off in the middle of nowhere to dig up bones from ancient battle sites. Or hunt animals for parts.

...Or possibly Clamp's corpse.

theres also the exalted way of necromancy.

calling upon the soul of the dead to have a last word with them. politician had a weird death? child lost the father without saying goodbye? chee needed to talk more to the neutral lich we captured? summon them and lets have a chat

healing is also good. keeping a farm of living doctors could work to transplant lost limbs to soldiers. we might even work with criminals.

and then theres pest control. we can use necromancy to keep zombies and undead at bay. if we buy bodies we can just pull off a clean way of making constructs. chee already has a lot of souls inside her remember?

>>350556
>keeping a farm of living doctors
derp. living limbs for transplants.

We have a tower now!

You know what that means!?


REDECORATING TIIIIIIIIME~

(I'm sure Tim ate an interior designer somewhere along the way)

New quest: Chee's Tower?

The part where the lich dies is really interesting since the lich had no problem with murder and didn't even have a particularly noble goal to justify it, yet you still feel really bad about offing him.

>>350567
It's because we may have just offed what was apparently the lesser of three evils, and now we're left with a psychopathic lich king whose idea of 'for the lulz' is putting the Devourer and all its legions of souls in a Cutebold, and a second lich king wannabe who probably won't be quite so willing to surrender.


Also because he's Emobird.

Whoa, I think the whole new turn of this quest is gonna be a little overwhelming. O_O

>>350598
I THINK YOU'RE WRONG

>Calling the butler Winston

imokwiththis.jpg

Can we change the past? I doubt it, this intermission is sort of pointless.

>>350682
It's there to fill in details, I think.

These are events that we don't know about. There could be consequences of our choices here that we simply haven't seen yet in our interactions with Chee.

So I guess Chee wasn't always so innocent.

she's a biiiiiiitch

Chee now is more like Tili was.

HMMMMMMMM.

Let the boob crazyness commence.

Seriously I was expecting bazongas the size of juggles but holy crap Succubi never fail to deliver. =/

>>350682
I don't see any reason to believe that Clamps' intermission was a railroad. The only historical requirement for consistency was that eventually the potion got to Shabin. He could have died and passed the torch, or not allied with the humans, and the quest would have remained consistent at that point (and obv. be different now since we've re-contacted him---i.e. it had an effect).

That said I have no idea what's going on in this intermission, besides herpaderp tits.

>>350694
That's correct, the way(s) that the intermissions tie in with the main story are more or less set, but everything else, i.e. side details and how the tie-in is achieved, is quite flexible. As such, those side details and information given can come into play to the main story.

That being said, the current intermission is half-intentionally confusing, and will hopefully be explained satisfactorily now that, as the topic was worded, herpaderp tits segment is over.

But I also would like to leave this post thanking everyone that has followed Cheequest for this long.

>>350696
I can't help but feel it's time travel on some sort of weird basis or that we exist non-linearly at times, even with those restrictions of what we know. The universe might have a defense against paradoxes that the time traveling individual can not affect his future significantly that he would lose knowledge of what he's seen then or something.

Non-linear time travel.

Cutebolds.

Liches.

Guardian Voices.

I'm telling you Lagotrop has got to be Rojo

>>350711
But it's not a text quest, and it's not horribly written.

Nonlinear storytelling is not time travel. Nor is remembering things.

>>350715
this can't be just remembering things, the probability that Clamp really had us in the originally vague past is low. He hasn't had any real contact with a lich as far as we know.
But, of course, what I was actually talking about though about non-linearity was that the advice souls we exist as percive time in a chaotic form that sometimes is linear before existing in another time period. The past for the world suddenly becomes our present because we have a viewpoint almost similar to Dr. Manhattan, only his viewpoint is constant through his entire existence at every single possible moment for him while ours is random intervals when Chee stops viewing his own linear existence. At those times, we can only be ourselves and we shoot through different times with Chee riding along with us throughout time.

Okay, my real simplified point is that this isn't just remembering. This is us actively doing our thing like Dr. Manhatten sorta.

>>350716
I never really got why Dr. Manhattan couldn't change events. As far as I could tell, there wasn't any force actively preventing him from screwing over the 'fate' he saw.

>>350717
Because Moore was semi-subscribing to the Slaughterhouse Five method of time travel. He could move his consciousness to any point within his lifetime, but his actions and thoughts - and those of everyone else for that matter - were nothing more than the result of causality chain reactions.

Of course, towards the end of the story, he flip-flopped to a probability-based outlook, so he kinda tried to have it both ways.

>>350717
A big part of it was probably also that he saw no reason to change most of the events. He was overall rather detached from existance and the amount of people he actually cared even the slightest bit for weren't that big.

>>350721
A prophesy is a weakness in a chain of causality though. It can only account for its own effects if those who know it are either utterly powerless to or unwilling to change it.

Example:
You ask an oracle: What specifically are the next three questions I will ask you?
Unless something forces you to go along with the prediction, there is no answer the oracle can give that you can't immediately invalidate.

>>350723
Moore and Vonnegut would simply argue that that's why there's no such thing as prophecy in real life, or that if it were real, causal forces would indeed transpire to make the prophecy true in one way or another. For example, the Tralfamadore aliens know for a fact that they will accidentally destroy the universe, but are powerless to change the outcome.

But that was Moore and Vonnegut. The particulars of CheeQuest's nonlinear time travel - if that's what this even is - is up to Lagotrope.

This is an enjoyable conversation that is not vulgar or angry in the least
Good Job Lagotrope

>>350729
I guess you could have the entire universe conspire against you. With with something as simple as asking a question, preventing causality subversion would involve having anyone who gets the wrong prophesy spontaneously combust, which would be a bit silly.
(Though there was this one short story I read with a similar concept as its premise...)

>Artifact dealing with souls
>Derrick has to be someone we're close to
>We have him eat everything he finds

>Derrick is Tom
Calling it.

Elephant Guy 2011/07/31(Sun)19:33 No. 40969 ID: dca391
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>>350768

you forgot the pic to go with your post.

... I just had a random thought. What if Tom is a combination of Duke and Minci.

Uhh I don't know
The Devourer is a legendary Monster from long ago, plus Chee still has her legendary throwing skills and since The Devourer manages the whole power through souls thing, he's already probably IN Chee during this intermission
Even though we don't have a good timestamp on where we are now, I still think the Lich King's whole project with Chee started after the Devourer was destroyed so that the Lich King would go on to revive him within Chee
If DD is The Devourer, that means Derrick has a lot of reputation of evilness ahead of him to build.

>>350771
Nope. Currently, Chee is not a phylactery. Note that the lich is perfectly willing to have her killed.

We don't really know how long the Devourer was active before he was killed and then stuffed inside a half-dead Chee.

>>350775
Alright, so we're assuming that Chee was naturally a legendary marksman capable of throwing a weird chair a few times her own size right out of a window?
She may not be a phylactery now, but unless the above assumption turns out to be correct or Chee can manage soul skills on her own, she still needs the devourer to absorb the skill from the souls.
We may not know how long he was active, but he was active long enough to become legendary, which usually does take a decent amount of time. And then he said Chee didn't really become evil even as a construct until Liches started putting stuff inside her... oh wait.

ugh wow, I think I finally did get it finally. It just seemed far too much of a coincidence for Tom's cat ears to come from good ol' Derrick Duke. If he becomes the devourer, he gets resurrected TWICE. ?BeforeDeath?> Derrick/Devourer> Dies by paladin, ressurected and put in Chee

Derrick just doesn't have Tom's sense of humor, though

>>350778
What does being a marksman have to do with throwing a chair out a window? I don't believe Chee has any souls assisting her at the moment.

I don't really think Derrick is the Devourer. The timeline doesn't fit.

...okay I guess there must be some assumptions I made about the timeline that are incorrect. Perhaps the Devourer did not actually last very long before being defeated.

Also Lagotrope is letting through the time travel talk which is really making me wonder if there IS some kind of time travel allowing us to see this stuff. Alternatively this is really a dream, and not exactly what happened, so we can say anything we want so long as the same general thing happens that did happen.

ALSO LAGOTROPE DID YOU PLAN ALL THIS GODDAMN

Alright, I got that there were allusions and stuff previously and you guys guessed it already but just let me ask this simple question

How in sweet merciful hell did we manage to so perfectly align everything in this manner. We created our own damn foreshadowing here. We had the decision to chose what mage Derrick becomes and what powers he got, but there's no way we could've guessed becoming a shapeshifter would've allowed this. The probability alone of choosing the one school with the shifting power that could allow derrick to take that form... and we're the ones that sorta made it into a joke into eating weird stuff when he got hungry. We could have just made him go get a snack in the tower kitchen!

We MADE him. quest.lv is Phillip J. Fry. We are our own Grandpa.

>>350784
Lagotrope is from the future and has already seen himself run this quest, and therefore is simply running it exactly as he already will have been had.

>>350784
It's because everybody knew where this was going and wanted to stay in character.

DAMMIT LAGOTROPE

I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW HUNGRY I AM RIGHT NOW.

AND I REALLY KINDA WANT TO EAT THE NEAREST HOT PINK OBJECT FOR REASONS I CAN'T DESCRIBE.



.... omg I love you.

>Shape-shifting tentacle monster with succubus girlfriend
ಠ_ಠ

It's like you're trying to compete with Halting State.

>>350784
We can always be counted on to offer up stupid joke suggestions like that, the important part is choosing to take the "eat note, hug succubus" suggestions.

What we know now is that Chee is unique - not only does no one else have Duke to nom souls for them, but the soul-transferring powers are from him too, not the spells animating Chee. That's good, but it does mean that she'll be even weaker when we defeat the lich king's trollish ways and restore Duke.

Us going to Clamp is still a mystery, since he ain't inside us or every interacted with us before then. If it was Shabin, I'd understand we've transferred souls to her and we could get access to her memories or timeline, whatever.

Maybe soul magic does has something to do with relationships, Shabin's hug established she has memories of Clamp and is close to him so maybe we seeped through her relationships into Clamp's memories-timeline, even if Chee isn't close enough to Clamp to transfer souls to one way or the other. Simply because Shabin is close to Clamp, we could help him in the past... but for that to work Clamp would definitely have to be alive and a part of Shabin's life origenally, but Lagotrope mentioned that Clamp could've died and we'd have saved Shabin some other way. So, logically, that can't be what Lagotrope justifies for us being able to help Clamp. Unless simply trying to save her life and being close friends with her birth parents instills enough of a social connection aagggghhhhhhhh

ugggghhh, souls, how do they work.

>>350797
The lich king can still do stuff like the phylactery swap.

The lesson that I got from this story is that ol' lich king likes to keep a much tighter grasp over the power he grants that he lets people believe.
What that means is that when we fight the lich king, he will have some method of revoking Chee's powers if things start going badly for him.
This further leads to the conclusion that to actually beat the lich king, we allies who have considerable power of their own as well as protection from being magic-insta-gibbed, because we are extremely to lose our own powers at some point during the fight.

Why are people discussing the rune alignment note? What detail did I miss that would make me go whatthefuck. Is it associated with the present?

>>350801
I don't get it either.

Simply that the note was from the succubus. And, despite it not getting used (little priority was suggested for getting the communication device fixed/getting a new one), people still ended up looking to go for the succubus anyway.

But, the note itself didn't turn out to be significant to the story, so there's nothing critical about it.

well let's get a new ball and see if her number still works.

>>350792
Alas, I will never truly be able to compete with a quest that I've never heard of before.

>>350812
Halting State was a extreme-far-future-mostly-hard-sci-fi quest. He's atlking about the fact that the main character had somewhat regularcasual relations with a friend who had chosen to not be human and instead be a freely morphing blob of nanomachines, silicon and superconductors. Who we turned out to be a clone of.
Things got pretty freaky and confusing pretty quickly. Thus was a comparison drawn betwixt then and now.

>>350820
DUDE SPOILERS

>>350820

OH THANKS A LOT PAL. *closes HS tab*

>>350820
Spoiler fixed.

>>350820
Also the protagonist had an octopus for a crotch.

>>350830
Nah, there were no octopus crotches, except for possibly Sal but that was a morhping nano creature. So it could have whatever it feelt like for a crotch.

>>350828
Are you a mod?

>>350826
>>350822
Really? Halting state is dead and it's threads archived. How can you spoiler something that's archived?

The same way you can spoil anything for anyone who hasn't read/watched/listened to the work in question?

It's not like it's an alien concept to grasp. Not everyone is always up to date on everything forever because they have nothing better to do than lurk on /quest/ day in day out. Not me, though. Ah, that's the sensation of my life wasting away. Tingly!

Ok whose idea was the hate potion. OWN UP.

Alright so I came up with a bad idea of my own
maybe bad idea
Goddamn me if it ends up totally being a bad idea

>>335062
I don't get this post, cause I'm tired and stupid. Somebody 'splain.

Any ideas what to do about the hate potion?

>>350899
We get in contact with Minci and see if throwing a love potion into chee's face will counter it or make her worse.

Otherwise We'll have to wait it out.

Also possible that Minci could create a 'Hangover Cure', a sort of potion that forces the body to involuntarily flush it's systems clean.This includes, but is not limited to, extreme nausea and dizziness, vomiting, sweating, defecation, and uncontrollable shakes. The upside is it doesn't take much to have an effect.

We could also see what we can do about immobilizing her under a magical cave-in of sorts, maybe make the earth rise up and swallow her sort of thing.

If we can get her with a neurotoxin (snake poison, sarin gas(?)) that would be a one-hit-K.O. as well.

Anonymous 2011/08/04(Thu)00:10 No. 41103 ID: b6ca92
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Here you go.
I was gonna name this one 'SlenderChee.jpg' but then I noticed the little dots.

Anonymous 2011/08/04(Thu)00:10 No. 41104 ID: b6ca92
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>>350903
I like this one better.

>>350904
>>350903
This is how I did it.
http://www.pichacks.com/create.php

...how the hell do you make the images so fast!?

>>350909
He swallowed Lucid's soul. 'Tis why you don't see Riarda or Island updates any more.

>>350910
Great. Once Chee quest is over he better spit him out because I WANT MY MONSTER-GIRLS DAMMIT.

I'm really liking reading Mana Ritual 2.0. Seriously, there are a lot of similarities in both quests.

A young kobold has his/her village attacked, so they decide to go on a journey to protect their village and get revenge. But a few minutes after the village, they get attacked by someone and meet a bitchy girl. Said bitchy girl takes them somewhere to learn magic. Also liches are involved as well as the threat of the destruction of the world maybe.

>>350935
It's like Mana Ritual but if Mana Ritual were a good quest, you mean.

>>/quest/337644
>hurr durr I am Seven let's talk about character hook-ups squeeeee
Knock it the fuck off.
>hurr durr I am Seven let me show off that I think I know more about economics than the quest author
Because it's totally impossible that there isn't a substantial gold-backed economy between the various productive sapients in this world. Say, the humans.

>>351014
Seven likes to make authors think they're morons by assuming he knows how their world works and putting forth the idea that any other way is OH MY GOD SO RETARDED I GUESS YOUR WORLD IS POPULATED BY MORONS OH GOSH.

I'm not even joking. And he's creepy as fuck on top of that.

Unless I'm mistaken:
The hate potion resulted in Chee not eating the soul of the other necromancer, and as a result we're now not powerful enough to really be able to challenge the Lich King.

Therefore, we shouldn't fight him.
The Lich King, thus far, hasn't actually been a very bad guy. Thus killing him isn't necessarily mandatory.
Why don't we attempt to come to some peaceful arrangement with him?

>>351018
we have been, but he refuses to compromise. wont give us any demands so we can't settle.

>>351018
Chee stated another lich soul wouldn't be much more help, since she already had one.

>>351018
The reason we want to avoid a direct magic-to-magic fight with LK is that he has at least two ways of siphoning mana from Chee. (The first being soul moving, the second being whatever his communicators can do.)

I think the fact that there have been multiple Chees ("I am ready to create a new Chee"), provides further support for the theory of LK harvesting Chees once they have acquired enough power.

Hmm... A thought about strategy...
I wonder if LK can cast through an anti-magic bubble? If we could bury him in a cave in while he is in the effect, that seems like it could slow him down quite a bit.

>>351018
"Hasn't shown his cards yet" doesn't mean "doesn't have any cards". I'm sure Chee's meeting with him will be informative.

The shameful thing is I actually like the guy when we're not talking to him. Most of his actions keep implying he's just a lich who likes fucking around and is powerful enough to stay up top and never have to be serious. But when we do talk to him, he's basically humorless as a... corpse. Doesn't even got some basic trickery, he's like "Yeah, not even gonna joke here. I'll just stay silent on the sensitive stuff. I don't wanna tell you then screw with your heads with lies, just ain't gonna tell you." I mean that's not exactly a bad thing because duuuuh a real lich would be like that but a bro prankster lich that really isn't worried about jack shit or strategic schemes would be pretty awesome. I mean for god's sake, your a lich and immortal now, what the fuck do you do for fun? You don't fuck with weaker people's heads? Well okay I guess you kinda take the fun out of the whole immortality thing.

>>349962

Pulling this back up as an implied (?) confirmation that Tom could survive just fine without Chee.
Lago's ideas might have changed since then though. But still! Stop worrying so much about Tom he is a soul-devouring shapeshifting cat. He will be just fine.
>>349101

Speculation time:
'Chee' is also the phylactery for the real Chee, i.e. 'Bitch' Chee.
Bitch Chee will come meet Chee and ask to merge with her, and then Bitch Chee will be the best lich hunter ever.

All those souls? Turns out they were volunteers, dedicated to hunting undead and happy to do so past their mortal lifetimes.

Thus ends CheeQuest, the best of quests.

>>351046
And ten minutes later, it is revealed exactly as such.

Not quite exactly.

I am amused that we guessed the final plot twist only a few hours before it was revealed.

I would like to point out that I wildly guessed the true identity of the Lich King at about 3AM PDT, hours before any of you predicted it. Also I was mostly making shit up at the time, but still.

I am taking all the credit for ruining the ending. All of it!

>>351050
Oh whoops, "guessed in IRC" was supposed to be in there somewhere.

Also, this was a pretty awesome quest and everything. Looking forward to more from you, Lagotrope.

It's only the end of that thread. I'm sure there'll be a next one where we get to suggest on what Chee does about the proposed plan.

>>351049
I guessed that the Lich King intended to take Chee's body and power quite some time ago, actually, though I said little of it.
And I don't think any of us guessed the "gonna kill me some gods" angle. It wasn't really foreshadowed.

>>351052
I highly suspect that the next thread will be the last one, though.

Indeed, this is no ending, it will continue.

FYI though, I'm taking a trip in a few days and will be gone for a couple of weeks, so CheeQuest's continuation will have a longer break than the norm.

How is Chee the lich king anyway? Didn't Chee say that she hated the lich king in Tom's intermission? Didn't the lich king give (and subsequently withhold from) Chee power? Did Chee defeat the lich king and take his place? And die in the process? But then why didn't she kill the other liches first, and why didn't they notice the old lich king was dead the way the one noticed the other was dead? And if Chee is a necrobold lich, then Chee's soul is in a phylactyry, but that phylactyry cannot be fake-Chee because otherwise it would be the same soul and Chee would just be controlling the lich body and challenging herself to battle, since Chee is the lich. But supposing Chee's soul is in a phylactyry separate from the construct known as Chee, then whose soul is in the construct? Is Chee just that schizophrenic? Are there two Chees?

I totally think Chee could take on the gods. I don't like her "no interfering" policy though, because that's the exact thing what makes gods so interesting. But somehow I think she would come to realize that things are worse when you don't screw with the mortals at least somewhat. Exactly which gods does Chee have such a hate boner for? Armok: God of Blood? Fuck yeah, let's kill the Blood God!

>>351073
simple, she made a new chee once, but without tom it was a normal bold.

>>351073
Chee became a lich, killed the Lich King, and then decided the gods were being assholes and she needed to unlich herself while gaining more power. She also wanted the other liches dead, so in order to achieve this she convinced them that making a double phylactery construct was a good idea. In secret, the construct was already her phylactery.

Soulless constructs are not completely mindless, as has been shown by the behavior of the birdlich's minions... The fake-Chee construct was mainly controlled via the whims of the advisor souls. The talent souls in it influence her personality, though, so sometimes she can disagree with the advisor souls and act contrary to their wishes. Chee's soul is there, and the construct thinks it is Chee, so upon discovering it would think it is supposed to be there and not a lich's soul. Chee's soul does not control the construct, just as the two lesser liches' didn't.

Honestly, I think it's a bad idea for Chee to try to kill the gods. She can't possibly succeed, since as we've seen the fake-Chee construct (we need to name her properly!) is not unstoppable. The second lich could've killed us right away, before we thought up any clever plans to ice him. If Chee takes the souls and Tom, she will not become on par with a god. That's just crazy.

Besides, she said herself that most people don't even realize that there are gods pulling the strings. If it's not a problem that people notice, who cares if they get their kicks manipulating events? Also we don't know any specifics. It is entirely possible that Chee is making mountains out of molehills.

>>351075
>most people don't even realize that there are gods pulling the strings
I think this also supports that Chee will not be able to rival a god - Chee is already surpassing pretty much everyone by supposedly realising they pull strings in the first place. She'd have to be INSANELY powerful to go so far as to defy the gods.

Come on, could Chee actually be exempt? Realistically? I somehow see Chee as being just as much of a puppet as everyone else. We were basically a puppet of Chee even though so many of us thought we were working up to eventually killing the Lich King. Instead, we received somewhat of a proposition to go the next step. I can't possibly see Chee gaining the power to truly rival the gods; I can just see a similar thing happening. We think we're going to kill the horrible deceptive gods but really we just play into some god's hands. I don't know if LiChee is misguided or not - she could be misinterpreting or misrepresenting the gods, or she could be totally right and the gods are totally scandalous – but either way it seems like it's a bad idea.

On the other hand, if it were true that we'd just be playing into a god's hand - well, what's different to our situation now? Just the scale! If we weren't 'playing into' it and it turned out we actually killed the gods... well whether that's good or bad depends on how accurate Chee's interpretation of their behaviour was.

Paranoid theory time!
I find it suspicious that LiChee is telling us to give her our souls to fight the gods when we have not so far seen any indication that those gods even exist. (There are paladins, but we have not seen them use any god-based powers. {Healing magic is not deity derived as far as we have seen}).

Also, do we know that LiChee is actually the Lich King? He could simply be talking through her (she is his minion after all) in an attempt to mess with Chee's head.

Lastly, I noticed that the anti-magic bubble we have would not prevent the Lich King from storing a nuke spell in LiChee, setting it off if we don't agree, then scooping up the remains afterwards (we have already seen that some enchantments can persist on being brought into the bubble).

CHEE IS A SHAPESHIFTER

>>351296
Chee was number 6 all along.

Augh I'm dying here without my fix!

Hooray for the return of CheeQuest!

INITIATING:: FRIVOLOUS CELEBRATIONS

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>>351799

Aw dammit, we're gonna get the bad end for sure with how Ch. 8 ended so fast. ;~;

>>351811
Stop being a horrendous metagamer.

>>351811
Nah. That wasn't due to something we did.

>>351811
It ended because an Intermission started when Chee went to sleep.

>>/quest/344145
>>/quest/344146
Well, in our defense, it sounds like he didn't us trusting anyone with the secret for our own good, but the thing is that Kip, for a loyal dog to the King, has been pretty bro to us. If there was anyone we could tell it to, it's probably him. Hell, Lily could have stopped giving a shit about us by now and betray that we know? Kip? This motherfucker? Naaaaawww dawg.

Watch that bite me in the ass in the future while giving us a small bonus. Just like the praying to the war god and channeling hate to Shabin to activate Gnoll berserk.

Hey, what if Kip is Ted's brother? I think it's a distinct possibility that the Dragon Knights are composed of defeated gladiators.

>>351987
That's probably a bit difficult given the whole "Ted's brother is dead" thing, but if there's a dramatic mind-bending reveal, that's certainly an option.

God. Damn. IT.

Way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, guys. What the hell do we gain from declining? If he was gonna screw us over somehow he can STILL do that!

>>352126

What the hell do we have to gain from agreeing? We were pretty much screwed from >>/quest/345058 onward. If I had been around I would have been yelling at the top of my lungs not to freakin' try to pull a fast one over on a professional con man. Smooth move Seven.

That said, we were pretty much pushed into confronting Shup, so I can't really credit anyone in particular besides Lagotrope for taking Seven's suggestion and ignoring the one after it and the one before it. He clearly has a reason for Fen to attempt to best Lord Shup at a battle of wits, which isn't exactly quite yet ...clear.

>>352135
I think that reason was that he wanted Fen in the dungeon sorta so he could do something cool or have ample opportunity to have fun with another character for a little bit.

PS, I've forgotten who Kiki is.

>>352135
Seven's plan was put up for a vote on the update when Fen proposed. It passed.

What did we stand to gain? I explained clearly in the quest, and will do so again now: Agreeing to the deal would mean we wouldn't have to win the tournament. We'd just have to survive it. We could've done that by losing a fight and our opponent being merciful (or the crowd not wanting death) OR by being merciful ourselves in our next fight. OR if possible we could just ask to withdraw from the tournament.

Lily and Fen would still be slaves, but they would be married and happy.

>>352138
If they are still slaves Shup could just keep them in different places, so the marriage would serve only to spite Shup.

His wives would object to that.

>>352140
will they? they seem to agree to anything he says.

"I slowly learned that even he has his ethics and kindness."

This would go against that sentiment.

AAAARGGHHHH

Why why why why WHY did nobody ask Shup ANY fucking questions? Hiding information is less important than finding out information from what is possibly the only person who can give it to us!

We still don't know why the painting moves or why Shup was upset about the box itself you goddamn morons.

>>352710
Maybe you should try actually reading the updates before calling people "goddamn morons."
>>"I will be more apt to answer what's and why's when I am not so drunk or riled up, Fen."

isn't it kind of obvious already? think about it.

>>352710
Momo is a necromancer. The box is a powerful necromancy tool. It's not rocket science.

Also Momo is probably behind the King's replacement in a form, the bad behind the bad, so to speak. The King is free to his own devices and motivations and, but probably serves his Master ultimately and any threat to his or his master's goals will be stopped and he has the free will to do it in any method he desires. A big player and magic user had to have made the fake King and give memories and Momo's the best magic user we know.

Shup's just taking advantage of a situation made by others, Shup is very adaptable, no matter who ends up superior. Fen is proving to become a power player himself and now has to play accordingly, Shup's gathered a form of respect for Fen now, obviously, though he still finds him shortsighted and stupid. He doesn't care who wins as long as he ends up in a comfortable spot, and he doesn't see anything comfortable with Momo with power. The Fake King was okay until now. Shup also has proven to be a decent fighter taking down D Knights, so he's a likely our biggest threat, I bet even moreso then the King and his legendary mercenary champion he's rigged to win to tournament. He's hiding his strengths cleverly under the guise of a regular smug, corrupt noble.

>A big player and magic user had to have made the fake King and give memories and Momo's the best magic user we know.
Well there is conservation of detail, but it would seem like a bit of a stretch to assume that Momo is the only powerful mage with interests in politics.
Also, if Momo had fake King in her pocket, I don't see why she couldn't have him quietly fund her research without all the trouble of the tournament.

>>352719
i agree. except for the conservation of detail. for momo to be the one controlling the king would require the most convoluted plan ever.

I said behind it in a form. There could be global political plot of some sort, there is a southern continent that I think she's from. There's someone she's likely working with, and the tournament is a great source of gaining public opinion on top of whatever wish you desire. This tourney has political clout.

I think we've firmly established that the fake king has no fake memories.

>>352721
I thought they were just kobold kingdoms, rather than continents. I assumed this was all in the valley where the Lich Chee was, since that's what she said we'd see.

I somewhat suspect the Cheelop in this memory is actually different than either of the Chees we know. It was said to be a common name after all.

So I'm calling it; Momo already knows how to raise the dead and is going to turn everyone in the arena into her zombie slaves using that box we gave her. And only then will we see her eyyyyesssss

On a related note it looks like Momo is unwilling to go through with a battle facade to help Fen escape, otherwise she would be working closer with Fen instead of distancing herself. She hasn't said no, but I don't think there's any way Fen can trust that it'll go off without a hitch. Unless of course he wants to be a zombie.