chirps 2012/08/01(Wed)05:46 No. 57931 ID: 34cbef
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Reading the Unit sheet:
Move indicates the number of tiles a unit can move in any direction. HP stands for the health points a unit has, if this number drops to 0 the character is considered “incapacitated” for this character cannot take anymore actions until the end of engagement. If the characters HP drops below 0 he is considered “Dead” where the player must generate a new character and his old character's body is now an object that other players may interact with. Atk is the amount of attack damage based on weapon currently equipped, this is the main score used to determine how much damage other characters take when an attack action is used against them. Df stands for defense, this number determines how much damage is subtracted from attacks directed towards this character, if an attack is greater then twice the defense of a character's armor then the armor or object is destroyed. Feats are either abilities or moves that improve character effectiveness. Capacity is the number of objects a character can have on his person. A character gains an extra feat or can raise an attribute by 1 once every 10 kills. If a player is shown to be competent in the eyes of the king (be the most valuable asset in an engagement), he may be given a chance to raise any stat by 1 point or gain 1 extra feat as well.

Feats list
dual wield light- lets you dual wield light weapons
dual wield mod- lets you dual wield moderate weapons
dual wield heavy- lets you dual wield heavy weapons
item toss- lets you toss an item or weapon to another character (passive action)
dig- you can dig underground once a turn to avoid engagement (full round action)
medic- lets you heal up to your HP to another characters HP (passive action)
thief- lets you steal one item on another character (passive)
build barrier- lets you construct a barrier of the terrain that takes up a tile to defend against attacks (full round action)
build general- lets you build bridges, weapons, and other things based on objects in characters possession (item specific)(full round action)
meaty- adds 2 extra HP to total HP
spindly- adds 1 extra Move to total Move
animal handling- lets your character persuade an animal to become his ally and it will fight with the kings men for rest of engagement (passive action)
persuasion- lets your character persuade enemy characters to fight for the king on the kings men side during rest of engagement (passive action)
monster taming- lets your character tame hostile monsters to fight with the kings men for rest of engagement (passive action)
pact- enlists a tamed or persuaded character to fight with the kings men permanently until death (full round action)
summoner- lets a character place another character on a tile that is within 2 tiles of the caster (passive action)
built- your character is strong, so strong that he gains 3 more Capacity slots

Weapons:
knife- 1 Atk / 0 Df/ 0 Move/ 1 Capacity
short sword- 2 Atk/ 0 Df/ 0 Move/ 2 Capacity
long sword- 3 Atk/ 0 Df/ 0 Move/ 2 Capacity
claymore- 4 Atk/ -1 Df/ -1 Move/ 3 Capacity
glaive- 4 Atk/ -2 Df/ -1 Move/ 4 Capacity/ this weapon hits targets 2 tiles from character
hatchet- 2 Atk/ -1 Df/ 0 Move/ 1 Capacity
tall cleaver- 3 Atk/ -2 Df/ Move/ 1 Capacity
battle axe- 4 Atk/ -2 Df/ 0 Move/ 2 Capacity
halberd- 5 Atk/ -2 Df/ -1 Move/ 4 Capacity/ this weapon hits targets 2 tiles from character
club- 2 Atk/ -1 Df/ 0 Move/ 1 Capacity
large club- 4 Atk/ -1 Df/ -1 Move/ 2 Capacity
war pillar- 6 Atk/ -2 Df/ -2 Move/ 4 Capacity/ this weapon can destroy solid terrain/ this weapon hits targets 2 tiles form character
spear- 3 Atk/ -1 Df/ -1 Move/ 3 Capacity/ this weapon hits targets 2 tiles from character
crossbow- 1 Atk/ 0 Df/ 0 Move/ 3 Capacity/ this weapon can hit a target 5 tiles away
shortbow- 2 Atk/ -1 Df/ 0 Move/ 3 Capacity/ this weapon can hit a target 8 tiles away
longbow- 2 Atk/ -1 Df/ 0 Move/ 3 Capacity/ this weapon can hit a target 10 tiles away

Armor:
padded leather- 1 Df/ 0 Move/ 1 Capacity
hardened leather- 2 Df/ -1 Move/ 1 Capacity
wood plate- 2 Df/ 0 Move/ 2 Capacity
stone plate- 3 Df/ -2 Move/ 2 Capacity
iron full- 4 Df/ -2 Move/ 3 Capacity
boulder- 6 Df/ -3 Move/ 4 Capacity

chirps 2012/08/01(Wed)05:48 No. 57933 ID: 34cbef
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Answering the questions at hand:
>what do you get to choose for a starting character?

You can choose anything that comes to mind, play as a robot or dinosaur- the kingsmen enlists anybody.

>Do players get a starting feat?
Players get 1 starting feat and gain 1 every 10 kills or are granted 1 for impressing the king.

>Are there any penalties from having a negative Df score?
If a character has a negative DF score- any attack used against them does 1 point more damage

>I'm in for this, once we know how character creation will work.
Character creation is simple, All characters start with the stats as the base unit in >>57931 and have one starting feat. You will be able to choose 1 armor and 1 weapon as you see fit. Tailor your character in a way that suits your taste of play- noted earlier that some armor and weapons will detract from defense and movement so try to make your build wisely. Also noted in the rules are objects you can interract with, some terrain can be used as defense or cover- such as walls or trees. Knowing how to utilize this will help in your conquest under the kings reign.

How does Persuasion actually work?

(new plan, steal all the weapons)
If I steal a large club, will I take the movement/def penalty even if I don't use it to attack? Can I equip armor right after it has been stolen?(equip it before they can hit me during their attack round?) If that is the case, I will pretty much win 1 on 1 combat.

I will not charge directly into battle here, but I always love making rogues into the ultimate fighters in Rpgs. (min-max with skills based on established rules to either +8 min damage[for a 1d4 dagger] or +20 to hit; selected as an on turn basis. They adjust the rules to stop me from doing that.) Feel free at any point to outright change the rules on thief, or tell me "you can't do that" or "cut that out"; I won't just quit.

>>57934
Persuasion is mostly a skill that makes npcs stop to survey their engagement. It's success rate works based on how advantageous a character believes either side would be. If you use persuasion on an enemy character he will look at his team, then look at your team, finally look at his surroundings and based on all that will choose to stay a villain or join the kingsmen.

>>57935
You will not take the penalties of weapons or armors unless you brandish them. but yes, thief skills can be used in that way.

>>57936
Cool, I like that. Does Animal Handling and Monster Taming work similarly, or do they work differently due to the nature of the creatures involved? Also, How exactly does Pact work, and can it be used on creatures/people that players beside yourself have tamed/persuaded?

> You will not take the penalties of weapons or armors unless you brandish them. but yes, thief skills can be used in that way.

I wish I'd known that before. How long does it take to brandished or put away weapons?

How does summon work?

>>57937
Animal Handling and Monster Taming does is more you befriend the creatures so based on how that one creature has been treated before you tame or persuade it is how effective taming or handling is.

>>57938
it's considered a move action.

>>57939
a summoner can place an active character or a character that hes yet to be deployed in the tiles around them. This power works "2 tiles from the summoner" which means the tiles that surround a character of a 5x5 tile grid which the summoner is in the center of.

So how does build general work? We've got no building supplies to start with. Do I scavenge materials from terrain / slain foes?

>>57941
that is correct, it's mostly a mcguyver ability which lets you make rediculous things fromt he resources around you.

>mcguyvering

Oh my gods, I am going to have so much fun with that. =D

If anyone wants to use me for attempted weapon upgrades, or for combining equipment together, I'll be glad to comply. I make no promises that the results will necessarily be useful or safe, though.

>>57942
Will there be a alchemy or potion maker skill later? Or more genrally will new kinds of feats be made available later?

Also about leveling will you be counting assed kills? I mean if you only give experience to those who kill then the support characters and those who fouces on defence will be left behind.

>>57943
If I steal anything good I'll let you have it first. Mcguyver skills are the best skills.

>>57944
As the game progresses, yes there will be additions to the feats list- and also additions to weapons and armors.

Can you take multiples of feats like built?

>>57955
Correct, certain feats stack such as Meaty or Built. The passive abilities don't stack. But if you have them you can use them to their full potential- such as build general.

>>57956
So more ranks in build general make you a better macguyver, then.

How will the building work, anyways? Attempt to make <foo>, roll dice for success chance? I would think there'd have to be a failure chance for balance. That, or I suppose things have to be approved as within my current level of skill.

...if and when I find some chain, I wanna make someone swordchucks. Two sets, for dual wielding. Or maybe a skirt of swords, for the Tozol. A giant crossbow / ballista for one of the high capacity people could be cool.

>>57958
actually build general is a passive- it takes a full round to build anything you want. But you are limited on resources and capacity space, that is the balance. for more complicated builds such as a ballist or other siege weapon you will have to have a starting point such as a tree, one turn to chop down; one turn to build; and repeat for modification.

How do kill tallies work? We've killed one with multiple vollies of arrows, is that 1 kill for everyone who hit him? One kill for everyone period? or the one who had the kill shot?

>>58116
Ah, this is the part where I explain the claims system. When a kill is made a body is left on the tile grid. During engagement a unit must collect the body- but only a unit that caused damage to the character can collect said body. Bodies take No capacity and at the end of engagement a Tally is run based on how many bodies were "Claimed" or collected in this way. Any characters that were killed by the means of betrayal where a character is murdered by his own team mate, this is considered a claim for everyone.

The short version is: Collect bodies you made and gain kills for your kill count.

>>58118
Does collecting the body include their gear? Because I was hoping to loot that guy for metal / crafting materials.

Also, are we allowed to go overcapacity and function encumbered? Or to interact with items on dropped on the ground, instead of inventory? Because it occurs to me I'll need to do one or the other to build much, considering my wood and twigs have almost used up my capacity.

>>58123
You can loot a body and collect it as two seperate actions. You can also interact with objects currently on the ground. But over encumbered in this game is more like a "you are stuck on that tile" until you gain more capacity or drop items.

Do arrows count a diagonal as 1 square moved? (same as a move distance?)

chirps 2012/08/06(Mon)15:09 No. 58212 ID: 34cbef
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>>58207
any weapon with a range larger then one square targets opponents the same way you would preform a move action. Refer to this picture for applicable targets within range.

Diplomat SilverFayte didn't provide any orders during the last update. How are players that are away going to be handled? My Pact ability is no use without Persuation to do the groundwork.

Is there any advantage to picking spindly over raising your move attribute?

A reply to redaeths comment >>/quest/440131 to avoid arguments in the quest thread.

In update >>/quest/438415 it was shown that a pact can be struck before persuation takes place. It doesn't convert them, but it lets me lay the groundwork for conversion. Unless proven otherwise I will keep using the pact ability on unconverted enemies in the hope that SilverFayte will do something to follow up or that we'll get reinforcements with the persuation ability. It doesn't cost me anything.

chirps 2012/08/07(Tue)17:24 No. 58259 ID: 34cbef
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And so there is a dispute amongst the kingsmen. The king sends out his best negotiator, which is the Rules Wizard. With the wave of his hand the engagement is paused and the wind calms. Time as itself has stood still, and the topic to press upon is: Pacts and Persuasion

A pact is the agreement to fight with the kingsmen permanently. Mostly visualized as a handshake or a verbal agreement to become a loyal soldier in the kingsmen army. The use of a pact ensures that persuaded characters stay with the kingsmen until death.

A persuasion is the ability to convince a character or creature to fight with the kingsmen in the first place. It is the building block that should lead up to a pact.

Though a pact can be used before a persuasion, it will not be effective unless the character is persuaded first. The effectiveness of either will be gauged on how many times it is used against a character. Example is if you attempt a pact before a persuasion, It will not work but the character will keep this "potential agreement" in mind. This character will have less resistance against persuasion because of this. If a character is persuaded and decides he should join the kingsmen he will stand one turn to wait for another pact attempt.

Though Pact will not have it's intended use without persuasion does not mean it is useless.

>>58242
spindly is like having one extra speed then necessary at the beginning, plus it's stackable. Asside from that it becomes mostly useless after the first time you get it.

>>58240
If a character does not make an order he stands, unless otherwise stated- such as in Eriks case. Eriks wishes his character is moved to the frontlines in order to attack.

Hey chirps is it possible to tell what kind of equipment an enemy is using or how wounded an particular enemy is?

>>58278
I can come out and say it in this battle, but that requires a skill that will be eligible to obtain after this battle. The archers are wearing padded leather with shortbows, the crusaders are wearing iron armor with long swords. and the bandits are padded with knives. But after the engagement there will be progress in items obtainable and abilities that are trainable. There will also be more improved weapons and certain weapons get upgraded as time goes on

>>58279
What happens to the equipment when the corpse is claimed? Does it disappear? (ie, we should loot first, then claim). Does remain on the tile where the copse was? Or does it go into a loot pool for us to distribute at the end of battle?

Because I was kind of hoping to loot some of that stuff for build general uses, and it doesn't appear as if I can now.

>>58287
when a body is on the ground it is lootable. the body will keep the equipment it had in life until a character relieves the body of it's useful items. Note that either the enemy or kingsmen can loot a corpse along with claim it, Which also means that kingsmen can loot or steal from other kingsmen.

Anything that requires building will be instant. If you are using a build skill you make the object you want, but you need to specify what exactly you are building. Build Barrier is the ability to make a flimsy wall that is impossible to traverse normally out of what you are standing on. Build General is the ability to make anything, asside from walls, out of what you have on you or what you interract with- But it needs to be specified what it is the builder is making. Depending on the complication of build it may take multiple uses of the Build General feat, for example if you are making a trebuchette you will need to make a rope in one turn. Build the structure in a second turn. And finally rig the structure in a third turn. A three turn build. This is if the materials are on hand or you are standing next to the needed resources.

Thanks. Just for the sake of clarity, I think from now on I'll check the specs/turns/feasibility of build projects ahead of time here in the disc thread, so I can give simple orders in quest.

>>58302
So does that mean the body Kali claimed still has its equipment, until Kali decides to loot it?

>So does that mean the body Kali claimed still has its equipment, until Kali decides to loot it?

that is correct, but then she loses her claim if the body is stolen when she decides to drop it.

mkay a brief weekend hiatus on this then- will return wither late sunday or early monday to update

some questions on dual wields. What feat do claymores and longswords take? Can you dual wield longbows at all and if so what feat?

Also heres a silly question... could one of us pick up the catupult and wield it as a weapon?

So fellow players, do you think Homeless Man should finish building a wall up top so that they can't attack the catapult from the north, or start building a wall along the road to provide more area protected from enemy archers? Keep in mind that build wall requires a full turn, so he can't build a wall on the same turn that he moves.

>>58721
dual wield can be used for all weapons that is able to fit in your capacity, accept bows. It is impossible to wield and load a bow or a cross bow with both hands full.

And yes you can hypothetically wield a catapult if you keep raising capacity to 200. But moving and using a catapult is not wielding a catapult, so it would be unneccessary to worry about that.

Since it's almost completed, could we get the stats of the catapult so we can plan accordingly? Move, range, if it can move and fire in the same turn, things like that.

Is it dual wield medium or heavy for claymores? How about longswords?

>>58726
*looks at write up* so i did forget to put that down.

Alright, Dual Wield Light are weapons that take only 1 Capacity
Dual Wield Medium are weapons that take up 2 Capacity
and Dual Wiel Heavy are weapons that take up 3 or More Capacity

One last question on dual wield... do the negatives stack? For example 1 claymore takes off 1 move and 1 defence... would wielding two be worse off?

Catapult Vs. Trebuchette chirps 2012/08/15(Wed)16:31 No. 58730 ID: 34cbef
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Now as Dakdo would like to dream, a Trebuchette is unnecessary in first conflict. Now I will detail the differences between the two and lay down the statistics.

Catapult is a small siege weapon easier to construct and has mobility. A Trebuchette is a Large siege weapon and must remain stationary to preform. The real difference between the two is throwing capacity and range.

Catapult
Move 2
Capacity 100
HP 30
Weight 200
Construction time 3 turns

Trebuchette
Move 0
Capacity 300
HP 15
Weight 350
Construction time 5 Turns

As noticed in the stats a Trebuchette is structurally weaker, making it easier to knock over when attacked. A Catapult will have a range of 8 where as a Trebuchette will have a range of 12. They will both strike a 2 Raduis grid with their ammunition and damage is based collectively on what is used for ammo. For example if it were filled with daggers it would do it's capacity worth of dagger damage.

>>58728
it would, the defence penalty adds damage against you. So dual wielding weapons that you don't have a Defense to cater to will ultimately get you killed faster.

A radius 2 circle? What approximation are we using for that in a square grid? A 5-tile plus sign (+)? A 2x2 box (□)?

>>58732
i did not say circle, I am using 'radius' looseley. It will be the smallest range radius used in the melee range grid here >>58212 but it strikes the center tile aswell as all highlighted.

Okay. Wow. A 5x5 square. Nice.

Obvious question: does friendly fire damage apply?

Also, will launching the boulder armor knight kill him, or is that a valid tactic for deploying him out in the field?

>>58735
frienldy fire does apply, if you were to launch daggers into that square and you have an ally in there he will take the damage along with the enemies.

If you launch a character with the catapult it will vary based on distance, for farthest toss it will deal 2 damage that can be soaked by armor. The boulder knight will be perfectly fine if you launch him out of the catapult.

Is it possible to take any defensive actions instead of attacking? Like holding still and raising your defensive value or preparing a counterattack against the next enemy that hits you?

>>58773
if you need to find a better defense the suggestion is to find objects to put between yourself and an enemy. asside from that they would be abilities that will be introduced after this engagement

With a longer reach weapon like the halberd or glaive, does there need to be nothing in the way or could you strike past an allied soldier standing in between you and your target?

>>58840
Yes you can affect only the enemy if there is an ally in the way. But if there were 2 enemies, you would have to strike the closest

Do you need the build perk to harvest or pick up materials like from shrubs or cobblestone from the road?

>>58865
You may collect a shrub or a rock, but it does require the build perk to harvest yes.

Taking a 1 or 2 day hiatus for irl stuff. In that time i'll be making rule maintenance for future objects and misc that will be introduced. But when i return we'll have some fancy crusader deaths.

bump in case people have more questions

Well, since we know how much capacity it takes to carry a catapult, how much does it take to carry a wall?

>>59020
Unlike everything else a wall is impossible to carry.

Why didn't I move this turn? I'm sure I got the position right, unlike last turn.

What happens to bodies that aren't picked up by the time the battle ends? Is picking up a body a on square activity, or an adjacent square activity?

>>59111
In order to claim a body you must walk a path that goes through a tile that has a body in it. This is either walking directly onto the tile or moving through it to reach another. When you move onto then move off the tile, that falls within the moving through action of claiming a body. So in short, you cannot take a body that is not directly on your tile.

>"Why didn't I move this turn? I'm sure I got the position right, unlike last turn," says the kingsman to one of the royal guards.

The guard on the right says, "Oh lookit the time," as the other one stares off into the distance whistling. After a stern look from Sir Robes, they mumble out an excuse and run off into the safety of the castle.
it's fixed, but thanks for mentioning something- i would not have seen it otherwise

Any word on what happens to bodies after battle? Are they divied up, go to the person who did most damage, are they lost for good?

>>59137
Bodies go by this scenario. A kingsman runs into take trophies or pieces of an enemy when they claim the bodies. If a body is not claimed then they sit out in the fields to rot. In the case of comrades you collect the whole body without taking up any Capacity. IE: If you don't claim a body, they don't go to anyone.

That kind of encourages degenerate behavior, like keeping one opponent with his weapon stolen alive at the end of each battle while we collect all the corpses.

...although I guess you could just count on us being too disorganized to try that. :p

>>59179
We keep him alive til we collect the bodies then persuade him to join us. How is that degenerate?
I just don't want to have the enemies to have died pointlessly. I also suggest that we pick up most of their armor/weapons to be used as materials for crafting.

I imagine that guy left would retreat, ending the battle.

>>59220
Not if we are able to net him.

On that note- Builder guy do you think you could build a large net to be catapulted onto the cluster of archers (and one bandit)?

I could probably build a net. Much easier than a catapult, right?. I think I used all my bark rope / cord making the catapult though. I'd probably have to go harvest some from another shrub first.

update on body claims coming soon.

Kingsmen News chirps 2012/08/30(Thu)18:29 No. 60014 ID: 34cbef
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Congratulations Kingsmen, Our King is very impressed with your effort.

Claims Made:
Juroko- 3 bodies
Kali- 4
Luke- 2
Rosco- 1
Dakdo- 1
O'Lynn- 1

These characters have proven worthy of more training:
Dakdo- for proving his competence with siege weapons

Now for the news.
The weapon smiths have improved upon the Glaive, it now weighs 1 Capacity Less!!!!!
Anyone who has a glaive may take note of this.

The stables are filled, so now you are able to take Mount as a Feat !!!!!!!!!

Mount- With this feat you can an animal (horse) companion that you may ride

Horse- 6 Move/ 2 Atk/ 0 Df/ 8 Capacity/ 3 Hp

The leather workers have made a new sack which you can carry on your back. Backpack can now be taken as a Feat !!!!!!

Backpack- you have an object that increases your capacity +10, you may pass this object to other characters

The Kings very own animal warren has been restocked with many vicious animals, Mostly dogs.
You may now use a claim to purchase animals to fight alongside in combat. Warning, this will subtract from total claim count.

Current Beast Roster:
Dog- 4 Move/ 4 Atk/ 2 Df/ 2 Capacity/ 2 HP
Bull- 2 Move/ 6 Atk/ 4 Df/ 8 Capacity/ 2 Hp

The Rules wizard has decided to teach his trade to any who wish it. You may now take Magic (_____) as a Feat !!!!!!!!!!

Magic (_____)- the character who takes this feat must choose an element (water, wind, earth, fire, time, shadow, sound). You are able to fire an element based attack range 5 that deals 2 damage Or you may accentuate another feat.

And that is all for kingsmen new, well done all of you.

>These characters have proven worthy of more training: Dakdo
Sweet. Uh... what does that mean though? I get to pick a new feat?

Also, if I'm reading this right, the only available use for claimed corpses is to spend them on a pets beasts?

It's also for getting more feats... though at this rate it will take 3 battles minimum.

>>60015
You can train up one of your attributes or gain a feat.

And yeah, the corpses are pretty much going to be considered money.

>>60015
Nice job! I'll also put my metal armor towards any work you try to do before the next combat.

Sorry, but you missed a body for me
>>449332 I had 2 at this update then moved 2 to the right, picking up another along the way.
I'll get a bull though, I need a pack mule to carry all my loot.

Is giving items a free action or a turn action?

>>60019
well lookit that. you do have 3 claims. and passing off items is a passive action. So you can move then pass an item and end your turn.

>>60014
Is it possible to take Magic Alchemy? How I imagine it would work is like this;
Some times there are Alchemic components hidden in the map (Rare plant, Magical animal droppings, Ect...). I would have to search an area for these components. Once I find these composites I can use them to make potions. The potions could be stuff like; Healing (+1, +2, +3, ect...), Damage (+1, +2, +3, ect...). With higher level potions needing more components.

>>60022
if you take Magic (water) then you could use it with build general to make potions, but alchemy has not yet been discovered yet. If you find an alchemist in the field you can capture him and it will open up alchemy as a feat and as a resource that you can spend claims on.

>You can train up one of your attributes or gain a feat.

Alright! Let's consider some possible builds then.

>Attributes
I'm effectively a back row non-com, so atk and def aren't worth it. Move is valuable, but not more so than a feat.

>MacGyver build general level 2
Presumably, I can make better stuff, faster. The easy, obvious choice.

>Backpack
Massive capacity would be good for carrying build supplies around, and for dumping more ammo in a siege weapon per turn.

>Magic
>you may accentuate another feat
Augmenting crafting skills with magic could have potentially awesome effects.

Time magic seems the most obvious choice- get done faster, autonomous clockwork mechanisms, temporal effects on manufactured gear.

Earth or shadow could also be interesting- in that they could be used for free materials (call forth stone or metal from the earth, or bind / craft with shadows).

Potentially gives me an actual attack too? (although if I'm reading that right, I think you have to chose between elemental blasting magic, or elemental augmentation of another feat).

Feel free to tell me which of my ideas are crazy and absolutely not how this works. :p

>I'll also put my metal armor towards any work you try to do
Thank you!

it will be about a week or so before i make a new thread for this so you can simmer on this for a bit. I have to think about what the next things are going to be and whether it should be a similar thing like black company.

With Glaive costing less I would like to take the opportunity to switch to the wood plate. Being at -1 df was making me a bit worried.

that's acceptable, anyone can trade in their armor for other types of armor. But in this game there will be instances where for flavor you will be in foriegn lands and need to trade for this ability to gain armor.

Hmmmmm.. Built seems to not be as good as it use to be what with Backpack's increase. I'll still keep it of course.

Say, would Earth Magic be able to improve Built? You know, make it so you could carry a bit more, maybe remove some move penalties with equipment? Kind of curious.

>>60054
magic is finicky, where it will work with built but it won't when you use it on an object. If you need to accentuate your built it could affect your personal body giving you a temporary rock titan strength. Go with the boulder theme, where your capacity is raised along with your attack and your defense.

>>60055
and also with built, you can stack built but you cannot carry multiple backpacks.

>>60027
I guess I'll take Magic Water and hope that I can work with Dakdo to build stuff. Also what sort of magic would alchemist fire fall under?

Also I would like to switch my load out-
I want wood plate and a longsword in exchange for the padded leather and the longbow.

So... since I wasn't refuted, does that mean my guesses on what using magic to accentuate build general would be like were right?

Just trying to figure out what my choices actually are before I make one.

mkay, i guess someone is confused about this, you can only get an extra feat or raise attributes when you score 10 claims, or have proven competent in a manner that helps engagement.

>>60088
alright, you can do the equipment swap.


>>60106
anything you can imagine, as long as it's reasonable.

>anything you can imagine
>as long as it's reasonable
That's going to be a fun line to walk.

For my new feat, I'll accentuate build general with time magic.

This will allow work to be completed faster, projects to be built or augmented with autonomous, self powered clockwork, and possibly time magic style enchantments on any equipment I end up manufacturing.

Potentially other uses as I think them up, but I think that's reasonable for now.

Huh, could you enhance our bows to be multishot? Right now their kinda useless once people get armored up. We do have 4 archer's worth of equipment.

Also quick question, does corpse spent on dogs and mounts subtract from the total towards feats \ extra training?

>>multishot bows
Hmm, probably easier mechanically to do that with a crossbow than a long bow.

I could either try it mechanically, somehow fusing two bows together so you draw and fire as one (or make a bigger bow that holds two arrows?), or I could try some kind of time magic enchantment, so you have the time to fire twice in one round.

Can I even attempt to build things now, or will projects have to wait till the next map?

>>60014
I just want to clarify; none of the kings men have enough claims to get a new feat yet?

>>60145
no, the first engagement was pretty much to get your feet wet. in the next session of this there will be multiple areas of engagement with more enemies then previously faced.

>>60124
>>60125
>>60131
mkay, i'll start with the corpse count. It is a game of strategy where the monetary device are claims made by collecting bodies. If you spend money, you don't have that much money anymore- similar concept. You spend a claim, you do not have as many claims, so there is a sort of tedious element to it in the hopes the players figure out how to conserve and use resources when necessary.

The next thing i can press upon is that yes, you can have a sort of "out of engagement" sequence. All this can be played out right here in the discussion thread.

>>60147
Ok it that case I want to keep my bow, but I still want to trade in my armor.

Alright.... might as well RP it

The next day Kali approaches Dakdo with several bows purloined from the castle armory neatly bundled up in her arms.

"Greetings Dakdo, might I ask you a favor?"

At Kali's greeting, Dakdo turns and looks up from his workbench, which is currently strewn with a disorderly collection of small gears and cogs.

"Ah, Kali, certainly! You were quite the help manning, uh, Tozoling? the catapult the other day. What did you have in mind?"

"Our bows are no match for any armor greater then wood plate" Kali thumps her own set for emphasis.

"For those Crusaders we faced it would take four archers working in concert to slay just one. I was hoping you could help me change that." Kali lays down the bows she brought. "Perhaps a stronger draw, heavier arrows or the ability to shoot more arrows at once." She shrugs.

"I'm not the genius who constructed a catapult that won the day after all." She grins at him in mock humility. "Just a poor soldier defending her King"

I spend the rest of my free time searching the surrounding grounds for a sapling to replace the one we tore out. I also take clippings of any interesting plants along the way.

I leave my set of metal armor by dakdos workbench to do whatever he wants for whoever and then I get 2 more for him from the crusaders. I also check if the bandits had anything they looted before the battle. (and maybe move the bodies into a pile with the bulls help, I've got nothing better to do)

Hmmmm... arrows are pointy. Arrows do not bother the heavy knight and his armor of BOULDER... but it does bother squishier members. Shelter cannot move, and squishier members get shot when THEY try to move. Idea! We get cover to move for us!

We make wagon, we give it strong roof to protect from the pointy rain, then move it with mighty beasts and strong men while our squishy men are safe inside! MEN! IS THIS BEST IDEA?!

chirps 2012/09/04(Tue)03:58 No. 60333 ID: 34cbef
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>>60172
>>60176
>>60259
>>60266
>>60267

And so the passive days begin. Dakdo may now make one of three different enhancements with the bows he is given. He may take a bow and increase on attribute of it, he may make an aether bow (this bow sends an arrow in time to hit a target at a later turn), or he may make a double shot bow (this bow enhances the speed of loading and firing, giving two arrow attacks per turn).

O'Lynn is thanked by the royal gardeners and led to the herbalism garden. If O'Lynn chooses to spend time here, he will be able to research herbalism as a stock feat that anyone can take.

Luke discovers whole found maps and territories yet to be explored amongst the bodies that were left behind. If he takes these maps to the scholars he may learn a "secret hideouts location".

The rest is a mundane task that is up to the players.

>secret hideouts location
I like the sound of that. If nothing else we can prevent the gang from sending another attack.
Mundane task is to move the bodies into a pile to be burned. (after they are stripped of armor of course) Rotting corpses on the front lawn do not help the king's PR. (especially against the crusaders)

What attributes can be increased and by how much?

>>60341
any weapon attribute, attack/df/move/capacity

Anonymous 2012/09/04(Tue)09:59 No. 60350 ID: d6c330
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Oh, sorry for leaving this hanging. I actually had a fun idea, and decided to try and draw something for the finished bow, completely forgetting I'm generally incapable in that field. But here we go.

Anyways, behold Dakdo's questionable creation. At first glance, it looks little more than two long bows tied together, with an unwieldy and unnecessary addition of mechanical aids, and what looks like an alarm clock strapped to the side.

Despite questionable appearances, this dual arrangement provides more stopping power, further augmented by the clockwork ratcheting mechanisms. The final touch is the enchantment cast on the arrows as they leave the bow- rapid aging. The arrows actually petrify mid flight- converting wood to stone for an increase in mass and stopping power (violating conservation of momentum, yay!). Less effective at closer ranges, as arrows won't fully convert before impact.

Which, mechanically, translates to a higher damage bow, with either a penalty at close range, or a bonus far out.

I'll leave stating out to the GM. Re, if you'd prefer a bow that did one of the other things suggested, I'll take it back to the shop and tweak it.

>>60350
Kali looks to the rule wizard and begs "Oh please let us use it. It's beautiful"

>>60333
I thank the gardeners for the use of their garden and spend most of my time there. Also I ask Dakdo what is this I here about experimenting with bows?

As for stats it looks like its a damage (and maybe range) increase at the cost of more weght. The double bows + gears and clock. Plus another damage increase or status effect from the petrified wood. Slowing? Stoning targets?

If my guesses are correct I'll probably trade in my claymore + longbow for one of these and if I still have room a short or long sword.

>any weapon attribute...move...
I say go for increasing movement for a dagger or something later(if it's allowed). Nice job on the bow drawing! It's more than 5 times better than anything I could draw! Also, graph paper makes almost any drawing look technical.(try to have all sides end at the edge of a box next time/not seen from a slanted angle, it will make it look like 60% cooler)

chirps 2012/09/04(Tue)23:00 No. 60382 ID: 34cbef
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The Rulse and Regulations wizard scans the bow to determine what exactly it is capable of. From his quick scan he sees that is is a sort of compound bow, where damage is equal to a characters current capacity (with items), but with the ability to shoot 2 radius farther(instead of 10 tiles away it is now 12 tiles away). The rules wizard looks at the bows decor and mentions that the little clock seems... a little unneccessary, unless you are shooting little clocks instead of arrows. Other then this it passes his inspection and he allows it to be used in battle. He also mentions that you will not be able to retrieve spare bows from the armory unless you barter equipment which you have pilfered from rogues on the field or are willing to spend claims on them. He also says that he will be around if you decide to alter other weapons in similar fashion.

Well I gathered 3 bandits and 2 crusaders (1 post battle that no one else mentioned snagging) so say I used my original bow and traded in some loot for a second one.

What would be the exact weight of the thing so I can plan my other equipment around it.

The clock was supposed to be a time magic enhancement from what I understand.

Okay, so if anything wants anything simple, like enchanting an equipment attribute to +1, consider it done. All you need is the equipment you want tweaked, and the request. Dakdo will happily take it into the backroom and tweak it so long as we're camped out in the castle. Until the rules wizard informs me I'm out of spare parts or mana, I suppose.

>I say go for increasing movement for a dagger
...this is an excellent idea. Dakdo modifies his dagger to grant +1 move.

>Experiments
If you want a crazy experiment (like Kali's double bow), you're going to need to supply materials. Bring me stuff off of looted enemies, or that your character might have access to (Maybe I could make some kind of herb-bow for Finn?). You can make up your own crazy ideas, or leave it to me as you wish.

The rules wizard will be deciding how it all works, anyways. :p

>What would be the exact weight of the thing so I can plan my other equipment around it.

it would be similar to the average long bow in capacity, but it's attack is based on how much free capacity you have and it's range is 12.

>...this is an excellent idea. Dakdo modifies his dagger to grant +1 move.

Dagger that makes a person move faster, i see no problem with this.

Kali looks over her new prize carefully then nods to herself. She unstraps the wood plate that served her so faithfully the last battle then puts aside the claymore she used to strike down a single bandit.

She then picks up the masterwork bow and in a swift and smooth motion draws and looses an arrow towards a distant target. There is a far off thump and she jogs towards the post.

Her eyes widen, the arrow had completly punched through the tough treated wood.

"Perfect." Kali grinned and threw a salute towards Dakdo's office. "Well built master builder."


----

Would a backpack count as increased capacity for this bow? Or would it be better to get built?

In any case next battle all Kali is going to use is the bow. (6 damage, 12 range !!!!)

Hmmmm... I've got 1 crusader, and 2 archers worth of gear and one bandit claim(without gear). Could probably do that bow thing with the two bows I have... but bows are not the style.

Say, since that crusader likely is a bit scrap, could I perhaps make his armor into a shield? Something to hold in that other hand to block more shots with, use some leather bits for straps from the archer armor.

Or.. can I improve my armor with what I have? You know, make the joints and such a bit smoother for better mobility with the armor from the crusader and archers. Being able to move TWO squares is ALWAYS better than 1 square.

>>60391
any item bonus or restraint that is based on capacity will not apply with a backpack- a backpack is considered a sort of "special" feat where in it's only a feat in context alone. In actuality it is just an item that lets you carry more.

>>60392
it is all up to your tinkerer dakdo

Right Kali the Horse Archer it is for my first feat once I can get it.

Now that I've decided on my next feat heres the inevitable questions.

How many corpses does a horse take to buy? Also the horses capacity does that include everything on the rider?

>>60395
If you obtain the feat, the horse is free, and no- that is the horse's independent capacity.

If equipment we can use is from any kill we claimed, I'll keep 1 padded leather, 1 spare longsword, and 2 spare bows in my treasure horde. (and 1 dagger, 2 padded leather, 1 metal armor to dakdo)(1 crusader, 2 archers, the gear of one bandit)
I'd like my padded leather to have increased def by one if I can.

Can the horse equip things? Like armor?

(Have I hijacked this quest? By accident? Everyone loves the builder!)

>>60392
I'd say I can improve the boulder armor's move. Just need to sink some time magic into it so you move quicker. Or... give you wheels. Something.

And I can almost certainly jury rig a shield out of full crusader platemail. Gimmie a bit and I'll see what I can come up with.

>>60398
Leather armor def+1 is easy. A little reinforcement, maybe a tiny slowing field on incoming hits, and done.

...any idea what you wanted done with all the rest of that stuff?

>>60403
The rest of the stuff is just free materials for whatever you want to try making later,(consider it a gift/payment for fixing up my armor) I certainly don't need them, and I'm keeping the ones I might use myself. I hope we actually have a place to store all this stuff though.

>>60403
Would you be so kind as to modify my bow to do some more damage? I was thinking of building it bigger so it packed more of a punch. Lastly don't be hesitant to call on me if you need some one's help with plants.

>>60403
What about a war chariot? That would certainly be fun to ride and trample our enemies with.

Might be an idea to set up a wiki page with all the player stats on it, including stored items from kills so we know what we have to trade.

alright, so saturday is the day in which we will begin another engagement. anything related to improving armor or weapons will have the corresponding attribute moved by one. Any vehicles are a tech leve that the game has not yet achieved, which in turn means you must discover it during an engagement before you are open to building them. The only real thing i need to overlook is if you are adding a special ability to any item or character.

If O'Lynn is in engagement and collects herbs as a passive action he will need to preform this 3 times in order to obtain enough knowledge to open up the feat "Herbalism".

The maps have been processed, the Bandits Hideout will be a location the players will be able to choose- note this is more of a 'bonus level' area where the chances of scoring decent quality loot is higher.

all in all, be ready for saturday.

Looking forward to it!

Okay, just to make it easy to keep track of, he's the orders completed so far (enjoy your stuff):

>built
+1 Boulder armor (move), Juroko
+1 Padded leather armor (def), Luke
+1 Dagger (move), Dakdo
Custom double bow, Kali

>pending
Custom 1h shield (made from crusader armor), Juroko
Upgraded Bow, Finn

Finn, were you just looking for a simple +1 to attack, or were you looking for me to make something up? I don't have another bow to tie this one to, but I could probably find some way to use the materials Luke donated to come up with something.

Anyone else wants plus ones to anything, just ask. Additional custom stuff will be limited by time (I might not have time to think something up before the next round starts!) and resources (I'm abstracting away resources for the simple +1 jobs, assuming the castle's workshop has what I need).

>>60434
A stats wiki does sound like it would be useful, if anyone wants to set one up.

>>60437
If you could fix up my new wood plate a bit that would be nice. I could always use more armour, as long as it doesn't slow me down at least.

>>60438
So are you looking for a def or move bonus there?

>>60437
I'm happy with a simple +1 to damage. I was thinking to fluff it as a bow carved specifically to my hight and draw strength.

>>60439
I didn't expect you to be able to make an armour have +1 move, if such a thing is indeed possible then that would be preferable. But if not then more defence.

>>60435
The only question I have to ask is if everyone automatically starts in the battlefield or if it's a sign in type of thing. I think I'll be busy most of sat night, so sign me in automatically if you can. (along with my new bull)

My overall role on sat will be to steal heavy armor to free up attacks for those with <4 atk and I assume dakdo will siege; so we will need people with plenty of move/range to take down the quick ones and at least 2 with heavy armor to advance the line and 1 guy to stay back and protect dakdo.(since he is squishy as hell, no offense)

Also, I'll let anyone use my bull(8cap)to hold any stuff they get, so don't be shy about picking up items.

Anonymous 2012/09/07(Fri)16:48 No. 60491 ID: d6c330
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>New stuff
+1 Longbow (damage), Finn
+1 Wood Plate (move), Sir Robes
Custom crusader armor shield, Juroko

>Shield description
It appears as if Dakdo took the crusader's breastplate, painted a more appropriate crest on the surface, and then strapped addition pieces of armor together until to form something approximately shield shaped. He insists it won't fall apart if the straps are severed (something about spot welding), but they add to the stability.

When asked why he didn't just melt the armor down and cast a shield from scratch, Dakdo pauses and looks briefly baffled.

Awaiting the rule wizard to stat it up. (Presumably it gives more def, or a chance to block attacks).

>I didn't expect you to be able to make an armour have +1 move
I'm justifying it as a simple time magic enchantment. I mean, if you've got 4 move, you just need to move 25% quicker to get 5.

>>60475
>I assume dakdo will siege
Maybe. I have a sneaking suspicion the next map will be set up to make that less effective. Enemies more spread out, there'll be tall obstacles, less wood or ammo, or I'll need to spend turns building bridges over chasms or something.

Actually, interesting point. Does the catapult from last time carry over?

>he is squishy as hell, no offense
None taken! Fragility 'tis the fate of the useful support unit. :p

Alright, quest is up.
It's a sign in for the first update, and i'll probably have only fluff for actual saturday shenanigans before i lay out the heavy battle plans. Mind you it won't be tedious fluff, it is the pre engagement preperations. There will be multiple locations, and based on how many people we will have there may be a chance to have the kingsmen split into multiple different engagements.

i will allow all the attribute changes, and the shield... huh...

It will be a mobile wall that has the same def as the armor. It will still follow the rules where a single blow that does twice it's defence it is destroyed. This shield, similar to a wall, will be able to deflect arrows.

New quest is here:
http://www.tgchan.org/kusaba/quest/res/452602.html

there sure is a lot of text on this page i haven't read, so please let me know if what i'm asking for won't work.

Rosco would like an AETHER BOW*, and also wants to know whether our resident engineer can fix him up a metal thing that will enhance his natural weapon [claw [1/0/0].


*so, will the aether bow still hit of the target moves since the time delay started? how many turns ahead can it delay to?

Quick question on walls, can a sufficiently powerful blow destroy them?

>>60509
it will not hit a target that has moved, and it's at least a turn or two ahead

>>60510
Yes, walls are able to be destroyed.

>>60511
Would Gungnir (6 damage strike) be able to destroy one?

Few questions:
How do equipment/feat modifiers affect mounts?
Is there any reason to take a shortbow over a long bow?
If our mount dies, do we get a new one after the battle?

>>60512
walls are based on the material they are made of, dirt would make a def 5 wall, cobblestone a def 10, sturdy tree def 20, and finally a fashioned stone/morter/ big boulder is def 25.

>>60513
Alright, here is the cool part- your npc based characters can also level up and take claims. If you want to invest your claims into your horse you can, but other then that it will have the base stats as it started with.

If your beast were to ever die, you must buy a replacement by using up a claim.

>>60514
Er what I meant to ask was: if my player equips something that slows him down like a halberd, does this also slow down the mount? Im assuming both armor penalties and bonuses dont apply to the mount yes?

>>60515
anything you wear will not over encumber the mount.

>>60509
Yeah sure, I'll whip up an aether bow, and cannibalize some of the armor Luke gave me to make you some metal claw gauntlet things (no schematic for you because this is last minute and it's not like I know how to draw hands or anything :p).

>aether bow
Does this always fire shots into the future, or does the user chose to activate the effect?

>Stuff
Aether bow, Rosco
Metal claw, Rosco

>>60518
the bow is one of those you can choose things, yes. i'll agree on the metal claws, if the context is more improving one of it's attributes.

>>60524
Yeah, I'm assuming he just wants +damage for his claws.

alright, so i have started the quest and will wait a bit- probably til sunday- to see how many participants will actually be playing. Then we will start the swing of things, now everything from first engagement will be readilly available, such as the catapult and whatever leftovers of equipment you got. This quest will be different from first engagement, where earlier i said you will be given a chance to voluntarilly split up into teams. My plans are to have seperate story driven areas to choose from, along with the bandits hideout as a sort of side quest. Areas will range in size, some as big as the courtyard similar to first engagement, and some being quite small. There will also be locations that have multiple areas of engagement- just to add more flavor to your fights.

In the meantime mull over how you want to play your characters and if you favor other members of the game.

I'll probably support Dakdo. My bow and the fact that I'll have 6 capacity free means I can help man the catapult and not lose too much combat.

>>60528
Regenerative space weasels and rabbits in a medieval setting unite.

If hes willing Juroko should join us. Would mean we'd have a tank to go with our flimsy selves.

ok awesome, and yes i would like the claws to be [2/0/0], just in case i end up in close combat.

however due to the fact that the aether bow won't hit moving targets, i'd like to switch that to the double shot bow.

I don't mind if I stick back to defend the lot of you for the initial sortie, but remember that once things start to thin, fling me at the enemy to deal with them. I am at least capable of moving the same speed as the iron plate fighters now.

Eh, let's not plan too much till we see the maps. There might be one that requires battlefield engineering to pass, another where archers will shine, or where we could really use a tank boulder in a choke point.

alright, since the forecast calls for a contending tactical strategy quest, i'm foreseeing a drop in participation. But no fears anyone, i will attempt to update after everyones turn- and if not the majority of players get dissuaded away we can go on a momentary hiatus.

Well, if we get less people than expected, we can just do the missions in series instead of parallel.

Do enemies share the 0hp=unconscious and <0hp=death rule? The seems like the only way that we can capture anyone right now.

>>60600
Yes, but your characters are also considered sentient beings that can take actions based on situations. If you want to grapple another character, say to pin him to the ground, you can do this. Or if you have rope and you want to tie someone up, you can do this. You can do pretty much anything you can think of, as long as you can figure out a way to successfully preform said actions.

>>60600
Also, I just now realized that I stole iron armor (3 cap) while wearing padded leather (1 cap), and a longsword (2 cap); which would bring me up to 6. For some reason at the start, I thought I had 3 free and forgot to look at actual cap.
My bad, it won't happen again.

>>60601
Er we do seem to be having the problem of 3 out of 4 maps needing some sort of pursuasion/pact ability for atleast the secondary objective. I want to say we should just go in and use a show of force to do our persuasion, however that sort of undermines the purpose of pursuade/pact as a feat.

Bottom Line: how much pursuasion and pact making can characters do as a "personal" action before it infringes on the feats themselves.

>>60642
There is a certain difference between persuading enemies to join the kingsmen in the battle against crusaders and just making them comfortable with living under a monarchy. The line is when you start asking characters to join you and seeing if you either force them or they join you on their own accord

Alright, if we're going to talk to the townsfolk into supporting the King we need some details about what exactly they are protesting beyond Kings are EVIIIIIL!

We'll also need to know what exactly is good about our kings policies.

>>60648
At the moment all of the players are considered mercenaries, the info you have on the king would be considered in game fluff you'd have to pick up from other characters and npc's. Plus, heck, you guys can make stuff up- i'm pretty okay with the players helping build the setting.

>>60602
Can't you leave your extra stolen items in the castle? I don't see why you'd need to bring clutter along in your inventory if you didn't want to.

>We'll also need to know what exactly is good about our kings policies.
Yeah, be nice to be briefed on the laws and policies we're upholding. It's harder to make a case if we're ignorant.

hmmm, fluff for the king... lets start with the cookie cutout of him being a strong and noble leader- who happens to accept wizardry and witchcraft as an applicable resource to use and improve everyday life. After that, you guys can expand from there

>>60650
I meant my strategy in the last battle was have leather equipped, then steal armor from the crusaders, and switching between light and heavy for maximizing usefulness of def and movement. My strategy in the last battle hinged on me being able to steal the heavier/stronger armor; which I shouldn't have been able to do.(cannot steal beyond max cap)

>>60666
minor details that occasionally get overlooked, don't worry about it.

A stat list of all current players

Kali - custom shortbow[gugnir]
Move 4/ Hp 3/ Atk 5/ Def -1
Capacity 3/8

Luke- Longsword, +1 padded leather
Move 4/ Hp 3/ Atk 3/ Def 2
Capacity 3/5

Khangesh- Glaive, stone plate
Move 1/ Hp 3/ Atk 4/ Def 1
Capacity 5/5

Juroko longsword, +1 boulder armor, sheeeeeld
Move 2/ Hp 3/ Atk 3/ Def 6/ Shield 4
Capacity 8/8

O'Lynn +1 Longbow, woodplate
Move 4/ Hp 3/ Atk 3/ Def 1
Capacity 5/5

Sir Robes- not completely sure

Erik- not completely sure

Rosco- same as previous two

I will not penalize players who are currently deployed, but please make a note of what your current equipment in this engagement will be(this is for the people who haven't posted what they are carrying in the quest yet)

Unless I'm mistaken this should be right

Sir Robes - Glaive, woodplate(+1 move)
Move 4/ Hp 3/ Atk 4/ Def 0
Capacity 5/5

>>60692
your wood plate has no movement penalty, so you movement is at 5

>>60693
But the Glaive dose have a move penalty.

>>60694
well slap me and call me suzan, it does- talk about not knowing my own rules.

Could I ask you, for the purposes of attack range, where am I when riding the horse? Do I start counting from the head or tail of the horse?

>>60696
your range is based on how you want to attack, if you want to reach around the front of the horse then you would put your range around the head tile occupied, if you want to attack from the arse of the horse, then you attack the end occupied tile.

>>60697
That is a very pleasant surprise

>>60698
by taking the mount feat, it's saying that you were trained in the art of war on a horse. This is the only mount you can do this with, as most beasts are not considered mounts unless you craft special harnesses.

we've got a wiki, right now it's bare bones with the rules and listings of feats and whatnot. I'm not particularly sure what to add to it asside from that but i'm sure we can think of something.

http://www.tgchan.org/wiki/TCSG:Kingsmen

>>60707
I was thinking we need a roster, ie, a list of all characters, their stats, inventory, corpse count, etc. for easy reference.

I'm willing to put that together when my wiki application eventually gets approved.

Might want to include which weapons are considered light, medium and heavy. Also maybe character sheets, in-castle inventories and corpse counts.

>your npc based characters can also level up and take claims
Do they get increased stats every 10 claims? Can they take feats? If so, which are not able to be taken?(a bull can't take duel wield, but could reasonably be able to take built, meaty, and spindly)

>>60710

...I'm going to laugh so hard if this applies to the catapult. It's certainly entitled to some kills!

>>60710
what that means is that yes they can gain levels the same as any character, but instead of them personally having to pick up claims you can give them your own claims. Eventually those of you will be applicable for a feat which counts the claims that you get personally for both you and your beast.

>>60711
Who hasn't heard of improving the quality of an object, you can make a siege weapon better.

This good?

Name: Juggernaut

Race: Humanoid Flesh Construct (if not allowed just human)

Feat: Meaty

Weapon: War pillar

Armor: Hardened leather

>>60718
...and here I thought we were getting a caster! *laughs*.

Race is purely cosmetic, pretty sure damn near anything is allowed.

Hmm. Okay, so that means you've got 1 move, 5hp, 6atk, 0 def, 5/5 cap. Kind of going for an ogre build huh? A slow, high hp and offense, glass cannon.

>>60719

Yeah, I wanted better armor but with the War Pillar I cant take anything better, but I don't think wooden armor is worth it and the padded leather would leave me at -1 armor

>ogre build

this is just so ironic, i'd be giving away the fun if i told you why.

>>60722
Glad we have archers which high atk then.

>>60722
Welp I sure as shit wont be the one opening the gate today.

What happens to a Unit when the player doesn't post anything for a while? do they just stand there or are they removed from battle?

>do they just stand there or are they removed from battle?
Yes and yes, eventually.

Another question: Are you able to attack through allies with the spear/glaive/halberd/war pillar without hurting them?

>>60752
for the three bladed weapons yes, but the war pillar is a special case. The war pillar inadvertantly destroys both tiles when used, which can lead to striking a friendly unit.

Do corpses block the squares they on?

>>60756
once you collect them they vanish from the field.

A Mortar/fashioned stone wall (like the ones in front of us) have 25 def, right? How much health do they have? As is we only need a few people together to get over 25 damage in one hit. Erik(6), Juggernaut(6), my bull(6), Kali(5 ranged) and O'lyyn(3 ranged) = 26 damage(not counting combo atk bonus)
Is just punching through the wall on the side a viable strategy?
How much damage would we need to do to destroy a wall in one turn without a siege weapon?

>>60844
walls only have 1 or 2 hp based on design. A makeshift wall, say of dirt or cobble (created from the build wall feat), has only 1 hp. Whereas an actual wall structure, such as those stone walls there, they have 2 hp and are made in multiple turns based on materials you cannot get directly without digging for bedrock.

>Walls with only 2hp
I'm going to assume they have a fair amount of defense as well.

>>60844
If we really want to break through the walls, we have all the palisades built into barricades at our disposal. I could probably whip up a big fancy battering ram, complete with overhead cover.

>>60846
The wall has (about) 25 def. The door probably only has like 15 def, so there are easier ways; I just wanted to see if we are able to break through a wall with just our weapons. (just think of how badass that image would look!)
As for making a battering ram, I don't think you have any rope or any sort of binding material (like what you got from the plant before) to hold it together. (sorry if I was/am acting a bit crass, I had a really bad week and it's messing with my head a bit)

A few questions about Actions:
-Can I have dependent actions? Like if a kingsmen gets hit I heal him otherwise I do nothing?
-Can I ready an action and if so what dose it mean? Like if I ready an action to shoot the witch if she makes a hostile action?
-Can I ready for more then one thing? Like if I ready an action to heal wounded kingsmen if they get wounded or shoot the witch if she is hostile?

ther is really no initiative in this game per se, if you want to say that you would like to attack the witch if she farts the wrong way you can and i'll try to put that into the order of actions.
The order of actions that i go with are Kingsmen go first, Then enemies, and through the way I word it the people that die are either in between those two or at the end.

Rosco has requested I make him a ladder.

Would be able I cannibalize barricade material to do so? If so, how long would construction take?

>>60990
2 turns if you want a wooden one of average one story ladders, this is a keep which will have 5 stories, so it will take ten turns.

>>61010
Does that take the time magic speed bonus into effect?

But either way, I suppose the pertinent question is whether Rosco needs LOS to seduce monsters- ie, is the ladder even needed. (He wanted it so Ogres could see him over the wall).

Hey, I went and put a roster up on the wiki. Please review your stats and inventory for errors- I tried to comb everything out of quests and dis, but I probably missed something.

Out of battle inventory (any spare gear we left stashed at the castle) isn't listed, yet.

>>61012
No i did not take account of the time magic, if he does magic with it then he would cut that time in half. And yeah to the line of sight question, if the creature can see you the taming will work.

>>61016
The only thing I can see for me is that I claimed that final crusader corpse to the south post-battle, bringing my claim count to 5.

>>61016
The only error I can find on my stats part is that after the bull I have 2 claims left instead of one.
>>60021
(then I spent one on the bull)

Gungnir's damage is based on how much free cap I have. Which is currently 5, you have its damage listed as 4.

Will I hit Juroko if I attack diagonally?

Bugs fixed. I overlooked those claims since they weren't in any of the summaries. And I swear I put the 5 attack in there before, but upon checking, it seems I accidentally gave it to our comatose robot diplomat.

sorry for the delay guys, it's still going to be a bit before i update because of life getting in the way. I'll try to update soonish, i just don't know when. Keep an eye out though, cus there will be an update sometime.

alrighty, so i might have some free time on monday or late sunday- but expect updates soonish

Quick question on the ogres about to smashed by catapult fire. Since points are awarded to those who damaged the ogres does that mean only those who loaded the catapult gets the points? Or does it work as a general kill that anyone can claim like crusaders last battle?

>>61237
an ogre actually counts as a giants claim, so you can split it as an assist amongst all of the players who hit it

>>61257
Well techinacally if a catapult kills an ogre with no one else doing so only the catapult hits it. I'm wondering who gets the claim in that case.

>>61259
well it'd be the one firing the catapult. it goes under the context of weapon, the person (or persons) using it gain the claim or gain an assist claim

sorry guys, no update tonight- i'm too busy laughing my arse off at whose line is it anyway episodes

Hey I was wondering. If Rosco (or some one else) get enough claims in this engagement to gain pact could they then use pact (at the end of the engagement) on the ogre fighting with us?

>>61497
I don't think so. On a related note, 1 more claim and I have 10!

>>61499
It all depends on when we get the pact ability. I just want to keep our ogre minion. Also damn you I just have one claim.

if someone gets pact and has any of the persuasions, all you need is enough time to use it. In this engagement there won't be enough time, but this is a multi engagement session in gar keep. Also, you can ask other players to kindly claim a body for you.

>>61505
So we can keep our ogre friend if one of us gets pact. Awesome!

...or if we can think of a way to get the absent Lord Evil onto the field. How hard can it be to puppet a pile of bones? Seriously, I'll start rigging him up with clockwork or something if we have to.

>>61531
Lord Evil died last session thats why he's not around.

Didn't he come back (I got his body too), same as Erik?
>Erik and Evil have been returned to the castle... by magic that is not yet known they are able to be relaunched into combat if they so wish.
(it's post >>448158 in the first thread, can't figure out how to link to archived threads; the function is not listed under Faq)

If you're linking to a different board, you just gotta tell it so. Like this.

>>/questarch/448158

And I thought the problem was his player disappeared (I mean, the Lich's soul wandered off somewhere! He astral projected or something, and his boney ass is just sitting there).

>>61549
oh, so it matches the abbreviations at the top. Thanks.
(I was kinda hoping that evil glossed over the return fact himself and didn't realize he could come back in.)
To keep this from being useless, here are the claim stats so far. First ogre:Kali (2 bow hits), Dakdo (catapult), Robes (glaive), finn (bow), Khan (glaive), and Juroko.
Warrior 1 Kali (K8) to be claimed
Ogre 2 is Drag, Khan, Kali, Jugger, Rosco, and Juro
Warrior 2 Luke
Warrior 3 Kali (P6) to be claimed
Warrior 4 (killed by ogre, claimed by Kali)
Ogre 3 Dakdo, Rosco, Finn, Kali, Drag
Ogre 4(the right one of the duo) Dakdo, Kali, Khan, Juro

That's it for now, if any clarification is needed, I can point out where I got the info. (Kali really knows how to play this system; 7 kills to be earned. Wow.)

So, Totals (pluses are from the wiki which I don't think was updated for this battle. If it was, disregard parentheses)
Luke 1(+2) Dragline 2 Kali 7(+5) Juro 3(+3) Finn 2(+1)
Dakdo 3(+1) Jugg 1 Erik MIA Rosco 2(+1) Robes 1 Khan 3

those two ogres still have yet to be claimed, but yeah looks right.

>>61565
The wiki should be up to date for everything right up to before this battle started (unless there's a mistake in there I missed). I wasn't gonna update anything until after we change maps, or hit another lull between fights.

>>61566
Those two have not been claimed? But one of their bodies have disappeared? If no one claims them before we leave I'll claim the northern one and take the other one to be given to one of us that can claim it.

>>61626
one was claimed- that post is older then the claim though

>>61627
Ah that makes sense.

>>61505
hmm, ok, not enough time now you say. but never fear; rosco shall be prepared for the next time. should anyone bring along persuasion, i will of course take care of ensuring your target's continued service for future engagements.

Heres a question, how strong would I need to be to pick up the floor of the castle? We're about to run outta cobblestone.

>>61639
You...um... want to pick up the floor of the Keep? I'm gonna have to say that next engagement is going to be a floor above previous one- so picking up your walking space will leave big holes that people could walk over. But you should have enough cap to pick it up right now.

>>61652
Thank you, thats perfect.

Wait does that mean I can pick up the floor and basically cut melee fighters from closing in on me?

>>61652
...so we can acquire ammunition and strategically create terrain obstacles? Sounds win-win.

>>61653
...yes, but your melee fighters will not be able to fight them either. As i recall no one took the summoner feat.

Also intermission will be about a day or two, need time to plan out the next engagement in this scenario

Anyone need any tinkering done, while we're waiting? We're away from the castle and my workshop, squatting in a pretty baren keep, but maybe I can whip something up.

Also, who wants to carry the restraints I've made for our prisoner-to-be? To be useful, they'll need to be accessible to some front line kind of people.

>>61667
I can take care of it, but it will leave me a bit less useful stealing wise. I also don't think it would be best to get him at the start of battle because his allies could just pick him up or unchain him themselves. We are also on the second floor of a keep, he can't really run if we block the stairs. (I also just realized catapults cannot easily go up stairs)

An improvement of my sword (or armor) to make it only take up 1 Cap instead of 2 would allow me to steal most armors in the future.

could you make, like... a bow that shoots... CHAINS?? or a bolas or something we could throw?

>>61670
Actually, it would probably make sense to have dragline carry the prisoner-chains until we needed them. No need to waste stealing capacity.

I think I can pare down your armor in order to make it lighter on-site. I don't think I can reforge the sword into something lighter at the same strength without a workshop though... unless maybe I abuse time magic to roll the sword back to when it was first being cast and rework it?

>>61672
I don't think I have the supplies to build a custom bow like that here (though I could try when we get back to the castle!). If I have any spare chain left after making the bindings, bolos seem reasonable though.

oh man, i'm sorry guys but the hiatus is gonna be much longer then i thought. I've been so busy planning out my other quests that i haven't gotten around to working on the details of this one yet. I'm not sure specifically when I'm going to update this one but It will hopefully be soon.

That's okay. Gives us more time to make stuff up.

Anyways: battlefield tinkering complete!

*[Luke] lightened Longsword (cost 1 less Capacity)
*[Luke] lightened +1 Padded Leather (+1 def, -1 Cap cost)
*[Dragline] chain bindings/restraints/shackles (whatever you want to call 'em) to secure the Baron Gar with.
*[Rosco] chain bolas

Rule wizard needs to decide: weight of the restraints, and the weight, range and rules for the bolas (presumably used to disable the enemy- makes them temporarily unable to move and/or take action until they're untangled).

>>61764
everything looks fine accept that armor for luke, was that armor previously improves? If not it'll have to only get one modification per tinkering. The chains will be called chained manacles and the bolas are 1 cap and will yes subdue an enemy that it is used on. Range 6 and can only subdue one tile sized creatures or characters.

>>61893
Yes, the armor was given the +1 def before we began the assault on the baron's keep. The -1 Cap is the new improvement.

>>61896
New Item naming rules (so as to designate level of item)
alright, so now it get a different title. It is now prestigious padded leather. You will be able to add this title to anything that you modify twice. But if you modify something it gets the extra number to the beginning of the name- what i mean is the armor would be a +2 padded leather due to the number of modifications.


When you modify things greater then 3 times you can give the item a name and that item qualifies for the masterwork title.
When you modify things greater then 5 times you can make it character specific and that item qualifies for the legendary title.

Hey could you add the attack twice ability to my long bow? If you have the time.

>>61897
So I get both sword and armor upgraded? Nice! I expected it to be only 1 upgrade per person per encounter. That's why I only got the armor the first win. I promise not to abuse this horribly.

>>61901
that's right, prevent me from nerfing this feat you villain!

Can I get my Gungnir modded so I move faster? Or is it already completely tricked out?

>>61907
you're weapon is just at the naming stage of it, it can be modded more.

>>61901
Luke got extra effort from Dakdo out of gratitude for the supplies he provided earlier, and for the interesting challenge of trying to roll the sword back in time to when it was still hot to rework it into something lighter (since it's not like I had a forge handy!).

And because it's not like anyone else was asking for stuff, so why not do two things for you?

But yeah, I would generally bullshit self imposed limits on how much he can do. (Only so much mana, spare parts, and time available!) Nobody's getting a huge pile of multi-upgraded equipment at once (well, unless they found some way to convince Dakdo to spend all his effort on one person that break).

>>61899
>>61907
Interesting challenges. I'll see if I have enough on me for the double shot enchantment, and I'll examine Gungnir to see how receptive she is to further modification.

I'm a bit confused to how upgrading gear works.

Dakdo is our crafts-neumino. He is the only one currently who can modify items. So you have to make requests to him. He can either make a single stat upgrade per intermission or spend a great deal of time to make you unique item. My Gungnir for example.

Thanks redaeth, in that case if Dakdo has the time can he increase my hardened leathers defense by one?

>>61931
Basically this. Dakdo's got the craft general skill, with a time-magic augmentation.

If they're simple changes (+1 to a stat or attribute) I just make up something about tweaking the item, adding enchantments, and/or attacking clockwork (Dakdo has a very literal understanding of time magic). If you want something complicated or new built, supplies are needed (for instance, I had to cannibalize two bows to build Kali's).

Equipment upgrades limited by whatever arbitrary restrictions I make up, and that the rules wizard imposes.

It's basically an exercise in collaborative creativity, a little role playing, and balancing.

>>61933
Speakign of which did my bow get modified to allow me more move? ... I have a feeling I might need it next battle. looks at drakes

Yup. Last minute enchanted clockwork has been slapped on to your and Finn's bows, and Juggernaut last last minute request got the broken clock casings attached to his leather.

I just threw the weapon stats up in the main thread so they won't be missed.

I know I asked this before, but the way you answered was a bit ambiguous. Do beasts level up at the same rate as people? (every 10 kills?)
Also, do the drakes suffer from the move penalty too? (I can't imagine that they would move very fast on the ground) Since you specifically mentioned "no flying", are we gonna have to fight a dragon/drake that can fly on the top of the tower? (If so, I really need a bow)

>>61939
beasts do level up at the same rate, but you don't have to deposit claims into them you can collect ten for them and just raise one of their stats as if raising yours.

Yes the drakes are suffering movement issues- the reason for the movement penalty is because you are indoors with a shallow cieling.

...ther is a possibility that the baron is a very high level wizard that might be able to summon a dragon... buuuuuuuuuuut that is a slim possibility.

Out of curiosity, since I'm currently deprived of my catapult (I'll give the next one legs so it can go up stairs!), and I don't see any materials to Macgyver with (yet, maybe they'll show up when we deploy) am I capable of using time magic offensively?

I was never quite clear whether I have the build general and time magic feats (and I've just been using applying time magic to building) or whether Dakdo is explicitly build general (augmented by time magic), meaning I just have magical building skill.

>>61941
yes you can use time magic offensively, examples would be to hasten you or your party members giving them an extra attack and move a round or slowing down the drakes making them act once every two rounds or pretty much whatever you can think of that relates to a single target.

>>61942
Sweetness. Is there a range restriction on who I can effect, or a mana pool I have to worry about? (Or is magic just 1 spell a round and you're fine).

>>61944
it's one action a round, no penalties- but it's only used on one target at a time

>but it's only used on one target at a time
Does that mean I need to maintain effects? Ie, if I slow a drake, and then on a subsequent turn haste a teammate, the slow effect ends?

>>61946
yes, if you want it to have a longer duration you must take another time magic feat.

Give me two turns... 16 damage!

...since that means I'm doing half your damage, does that give me access to your claims? :p

I'll consider it, but the wiser option might be shutting down one of the drakes, depending on how powerful they are, especially if they have AOE or range.

Is it possible to increase the range of melee weapons?

>>61967
...throwing them... but then you have no weapon. as a plus side it'd do the same amount of damage if you were to melee with it.

>>61967
From a tinkering perspective, possibly. Although if you want to be able to hit a square away with a sword, that basically means strapping it to a pole and making a halberd. We don't have the tech to do zelda style energy sword shots right now.

>>61968
We can do that even without the item toss feat? What's the range on thrown weapon?

>>61973
item toss is to throw items at your allies without dealing damage to them.

range is based on your movement.

Unless I'm mistaken I believe I should have an assist claim from one of the ogres last battle.
>>>/quest/453892

>>61998
that is correct, i'll edit it in the wiki

sorry about the delay, my roommates birthday is this weekend and it creeped up on me

Hey, can I make a request for a specific feat to be made? Mug: deals melee weapon damage and steals 1 item from chosen target. Prerequisites: Thief feat. (for it to not be broken, damage would be applied before the item was taken; so if I stole armor, it would protect him from some of my damage that turn)

>>62120
i'll consider an ability like that. I'll need to compare it to the rest of the feats that i'm introducing later on, but it will be considered.

Seems to me it might fit the current system better if you got that from purchasing a second level in thief (allowing for either improved theft, mugging, etc, as you chose to apply it).

>>62127
I think of the feats as a combo system instead of a branching system. (like how you can use time magic to enhance building, or maybe combining monster taming with mount to let you fight from monster back without a premade harness or item toss and medic to heal at range) I think of it as there being no distinct linear upward path.(no mount lvl 2, no magic lvl 2 (as far as I know), no pact or persuasion or monster taming lvl 2.[if there were, what would they entail?] It's just a system of figuring out how you can use some feats with others. Since there was no obvious way to make mug, (no feat that combined passive and active actions into one) I asked for it directly. You can't even really use thief to steal two items at once, (because of space issues) so I can't even think of any specific way to really improve stealing. Of course, I may have totally misinterpreted the upgrade system, just like with "no flight".

>>61940
Since it means no running instead of no flight, does that mean we won't run into a fight where something is flying in the next battle or two?

>>62200
that is a perfect way to see things, but there will be certain feats that require multiple purchases. These of which are the stackable stat feats, the building feats and magic.

Now that you brought this up to my attention then that means i will have to look into feats more.
On a side note, there will be airborn monsters- but it will be a feat called airborn instead of fly in order to seperate the ability to escape engagement and the ability to take to the sky.

bump

>>62631
Dakdo reminds the rule wizard that if he's lonely, that's unfortunate, because he's going to have to wait till the kingsman have gear to customize or claims to spend (as well the time to do both) before he sees much action here.

I'd update more lately if i could guys- but i've found that stuff keeps getting in my way. Updates will be happening infrequently now that there are things relating to voting temp jobs around here. Sorry guys, but I'll try to update when i can- and hopefully I can bang out the erratic transitions to make them less hectic.

>voting temp jobs
Hey, if you've found a way to profit personally from the ongoing nightmare that is the election cycle, go for it. Power to you.

>>62766
It's cool, so long as you don't drop this quest permanently. Good luck with Hurricane Sandy, and do your best with your temp job.(God, I hope Obama wins)

Question:

If Dakdo slows the drake this round, will it miss its next action? (Only being able to act every other round, opposite of acting twice a round, from haste).

>Hurricane Sandy
Hah! My power has already gone out, and been restored, even as the winds rage on.

>>62787
yes, it would miss it's turn this round.

from the very depths of hell i would think the kingsmen lost- but look on the horizon. Here it is, it's like i can't get rid of it if i tried.

Does anyone have a count on all the claims? I think I have 5 claims unless I miscounted somewhere.

>>64627
Who were you playing?