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299683 No. 299683 ID: ecce38

There are many points in time which could be considered a 'turning point in history'. One was the attack on Pearl Harbour, 1941. Another, the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991. The day Cato was discovered was another such turning point. Hardly imaginable, it was a hitherto unknown dwarf planet in orbit around the sun. Named after Cato the Elder, South American astronomers found out soon enough that its orbit would lead it to collide with the Earth in the year 2038.
The dwarf planet has a diameter of roughly 450 kilometers. The impact would not only break through the planet's crust with ease, but also incinerate the atmosphere. It would burn the planet clean of all life.

On the day this was announced, the world stood still. On the day after, it exploded.

In some regions of the world, it took almost a decade for things to go back to normal, as people began to realize that all the war and plundering in the world could not save them. Apathy set in, and while most returned to work - or simply continued, in some cases - others chose to end it themselves. The rate of suicides rose to staggering levels while the world economy was hit hard and recovering only slowly.

Nowadays, the economy is still in the process of recovery, but suicide rates are still at an all-time high for many nations, while others choose religion to escape.
Much has changed since that fateful day the tenth of January, 2013.

Okay, so this is my try at remaking TheOlderOne's Portrait of Humanity. Since I can't draw, this'll be text-heavy most likely. There may also be a lot of technical information depending on your actions and choices. Being my first quest, I fully expect this to fail hilariously, but it's worth a try.
Anyways, more to come in the next post. Also, if I missed anything, please tell me.

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No. 299684 ID: ecce38
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299684

You will be the representative/s of a national government or supranational entity. At the moment, things look bleak because currently nobody knows how to avert Earth's fate. but it is in times like this when man is strongest and the most inventive.
Depending on the choice for a nation, the starting day may change.
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After these 'years of collapse' as some have come to call this decade, the maps of the world didn't have to be redrawn, most interestingly.
What did change, however, was the alignment of various nations to each other. Traditional allies sometimes became enemies, while former enemies became friends. All in all, most of this change was in Asia and Africa.

The United States of America. Previously powerful, though its power slowly slipping from its grasp. It already was in economic trouble before Cato's discovery, a situation which only grew more dire in the following years. When California was hit by an 8.7 in 2014, things went truly downhill. Los Angeles was hit hard, more than 70% of the city's buildings collapsing, the vast majority in the poorer parts of the city, where most of the population resided. Through something of a chain reaction, the earth further east and north-east of the city began to tremble as well. Finally, the Hoover dam was hit - already weakened by decades of monetary mismanagement, failed maintenance and a serious clam problem clogging up the turbines.
It gave in with little warning. Tens of trillions of litres cleansed everything in their path, roaring down the Colorado River towards Davis and Parker dams. Neither held for long, and more water was added to the masses. While the masses eventually slowed, anything between what had been the Hoover dam and Lake Havasu was practically gone, with major floods happening further downriver. Thousands more were added to the death toll from this alone. The resulting energy crisis in the region, not to mention that half a million acres of fertile farmland lost its source of water and the loss of drinking water added to the problems faced in the aftermath of the earthquake.
California's economy practically collapsed, dragging several neighbouring states with it even as tens of thousands died and millions of refugees - including the entire population of Las Vegas - began flooding the rest of the nation over the next months and years.
In the end, the United States had to declare total bankruptcy - throwing the global economy off the rails and adding to the crisis.
Even today, years after the catastrophe, the effects could be felt. The US is weakened considerably. While it still possesses its mighty Navy, trust in the economy - and capitalism - has evaporated practically overnight. Any further action would have to be measured carefully, lest riots break out, all despite the looming threat of Cato.

The Commonwealth of Nations. Officially established in 1971, with its roots going back as early as the 40s faced problems of lesser magnitude compared to the US, but problems nonetheless. During the years of collapse, the economy suffered, like that of everyone else did. Canada and Australia did surprisingly well, while the mother country of Great Britain lost northern Ireland to insurgent attacks in 2017 after a series of political blunders and economic mismanagement on Britain's part.
Other than this, wondrously little happened - Britain and the Commonwealth stand proud and with their heads held high, having weathered the majority of the storm and recovering.
With the Commonwealth's great resource deposits - among this the largest uranium reserves in the world in Canada and Australia - the Royal Navy, strengthened bonds between the members and good relations to the EU, some consider it to be on its way to reclaim Great Britain's status as a superpower from the 19th century.

The European Union. A supranational entity before the war, it has finally done the very last step on its long way to become a truly united entity. But despite this new-found strength, it had to endure severe economic problems in previous years, as well as Ireland's expulsion from the EU in 2018, testing the strength of the unity that had its source in some obscure treaties of the early 50s, but matures enough to bring so many nations together under a single banner.
The unity is further tested by the continuing economic problems of regions such as Greece and Spain, as well as nationalist movements flaring up in parts of the Union. While it doesn't have the power-projection capabilities of the Commonwealth or the United States, Europe's military forces are second to none, recent endeavours in high-tech weaponry having resulted in infantry-held 'Battle Lasers'. The Union's resources are still considerable, but depleted from centuries of exploitation, dependent on importing some crucial resources such as gas and certain rare earths.

The Union of South American Nations. Finding its origin Cusco Declaration from 2004, the USAN was founded a mere decade before the world-wide crisis. In an attempt spearheaded by Brazil to keep the continent's economy relatively stable, the various member nations strengthened their ties and reliance on each other. While successful, the USAN is considerably less united than the US, EU or Commonwealth, especially the language barrier between Brazil and the rest of the continent making cooperation something of a difficulty on occasion, not to speak of nationalists especially in the south, in Argentina. Adding to this are considerable problems with getting rid of crime syndicates in the various member countries, most of all Brazil.
All in all, the economy is solid, if not as incredibly powerful as that of some other nations. Its military assets are somewhat lacking, though Brazil recently finished construction of its first carrier. Concerning resources, the continent still has plenty of untapped deposits, making it largely independent in this regard.

The Arab League. Founded in Cairo shortly after the second world war, the League is even less united than the USAN, though democratic movements before and during the years of collapse led to many of its citizens having found a new identity and changed views of themselves. Though by no means all of its members are democratic - Saudi Arabia, for example - the League itself does decide things democratically. During the crisis, the majority of its problems were a result of the USA's economy failing. Today, however, they have largely recovered, in part thanks to the still vast oil exports, and the proximity to the EU.
Still, the League is probably the weakest of the major entities regarding economy, at least right now. Its population is quite large, and with new allies found in central Africa, it has a chance to grow stronger in the face of Cato. Militarily, the League can be considered average, though religious extremism is on the rise.

Japan. Land of the Rising Sun, Japan's economy suffered not only from the Tohoku earthquake in 2011, but also from the tsunami caused by the Los Angeles Quake in 2014 as well as the United States' bankruptcy. Today, some consider it but a shadow of its former power, though growing steadily by the day. All these problems have led to a rise in extremely high-tech inventions in the previous few years, with artificial eyes, fully robotic surgery and plastic bones being but a few of the great advances made by the populous island nation.
In the wake of the global crisis, the Japanese Self-Defense Force was strengthened, forced to become less dependent on the United States. With this, the government has begun to experiment with robotic soldiers and is considering other such high-tech shenanigans. Still, the nation - and thus its economy - depends on the rest of the world for its resources, little of anything being available.

The Republic of India. An old nation with a rigid caste-system, its current incarnation ws established in 1947 after the efforts of Mahatma Gandhi and his followers convinced the British government to let them go. During the first decade after Cato's discovery, millions fell to several consecutive years of bad harvest and a lack of food imports, resulting in the largest famine since Mao's 'Great Leap Forward'. An estimated 90 million died, with some provinces almost entirely depopulated. Despite the loss of more than 7% of the population, India at large remained relatively stable. It is one of the things it has to spare: The poor.
In recent years, the nation grew - if not demographically - with the economy strengthening and growing at a speed that might soon lead to dangerous inflation, if nothing is done. Militarily, India is on par with the Arab League, powerful enough to dissuade any hostile neighours - especially the north-westerly one - from invasion. Having found allies and friends in the South Asian Unity Pact, they might well be on their way to make India a superpower, especially considering the resources they have available. If there is time.

The Russian Federation. Great Mother Russia, re-founded as federation after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991. In the years before Cato, it had plenty of problems. In the years after, these problems only intensified. While the population is growing again thanks to a resurgence of religion, the economy is largely stagnant. This, for the most part, is because of the Mafia extending its feelers even further than before, even manipulating the elections to bring in an ultra-capitalist government. Even with the (rather pitiful) support of the Eurasian Federation, Russia has its problems with growth. A solution may be to exploit the truly vast riches of Siberia. After all, less than 10% of the population lives there, in 80% of the nation's area.
Militarily, what Russia has is old, but reliable. Even if it is not as powerful as previously, there still are many nuclear weapons in the silos, this alone making the country a force to be reckoned with.

The People's Republic of China. Powerful, totalitarian, with a history spanning the ages. Created by a man who, thanks to the party's manipulation of the system of education, will sooner or later be forgotten, it was the victor of a cruel war between communists and nationalists throughout the 40s. Since then, the PRC has come a long way. Up until the discovery of Cato, its economy was one of the fastest-growing in all of Asia, rivalled by few others. In the decade after, when both the US and Russia were weakening, China's economy suffered as well. However, through political maneuvering, making promises and giving incentives, China acquired enough influence in various surrounding and Central Asian nations to found the 'Asian Pact for Economic Prosperity'. The governments of the nations in this pact have become dependent on the People's Republic, though some of the eastern members are actively considering cooperation with Russia.
In the End, the People's Republic is still as mighty a juggernaught as it was in 2012 ago, if not more so. It has become less dependent on the United States for exports. The economy is strong, and the imports from its 'allies' - puppets, rather - serve only to strengthen it further. Its military is larger than any other, though the equipment is not the most modern and the navy is relatively weak.
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Choose one.
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No. 299709 ID: ae0801

The European Union!

Relatively speaking, its in the best shape. While not overflowing with resources and not as strong of reach some of the other powers, it could (and should) get the job done.
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No. 299710 ID: 3beb66

I have to agree, although we might want to work on solidifying our unity and getting concrete access to resources before we try anything.
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No. 299721 ID: a41aaf

With it's resources, relative stability, and overall high levels of education and technology development in it's component nations, the Commonwealth would be preferable for large complex projects such as deflecting a minor planet.
And has copious quantities of delicious Yellowcake.
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No. 299725 ID: 28e94e

>>299684
The Commonwealth is the only one that isn't starting out horribly gimped.
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No. 299739 ID: ae0801

>>299684
Did Iceland get booted from the EU or something?
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No. 299753 ID: bd2a40

I vote for the European Union.


>>299709
>>299710
I also agree that it is in the best, overall, shape.

On the unity part, I think a propaganda campaign might help with that. Something to breed European nationalism as opposed state nationalism. It would be impossible to eliminate nationalism, per se, but it might be possible to use it as a way of unifying Europe further. Of course, this must be done in a manner which does not seem like it is being forced on people(or if it is forced, then at a slow pace) so as to prevent its violent rejection. Forcing integration or unity rarely, if ever, works.

Close ties with the Commonwealth of Nations might also be the key to acquiring the resources needed for any program meant to save the planet or at least a certain quantity of people.
>>299739
Iceland is not a part of the EU, though they are currently in the process of trying to join. Something must have happened if they are not members, yet.
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No. 299908 ID: 6179ff

>>299709
>>299710
>>299753
3 for EU.
>>299721
>>299725
2 for Commonwealth.

Due to lateness over here, I'll give another 12-14 hours.
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No. 299921 ID: 6bf918

Another vote for the EU then.

>>299753
It could be that Iceland never recovered from going bankrupt back in 2008, or at least not to the point where it meets EU economic requirements for new members.
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No. 299922 ID: 391672

Mostly to hammer it in, EU.
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No. 300021 ID: 46c430

I vote Commonwealth. Go England!
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No. 300153 ID: 9754ca
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300153

5 for EU, 3 for Commonwealth.
EU wins.


You are part of the ruling body of the European Union. As diverse as the Union itself is, so are you, coming from all over Europe and both the so-called 'middle' and 'upper' classes.
Since the unification, some things have changed in how things work. You are the permanent Members of Parliament, or MEPs, accounting for 40% of the European Parliament's membership. 'Permanent', in this case, means that you will be MEP until you resign, or circumstances force your removal from Parliament. The other 60% are, as before, made up of all parties in the EU, though those with similar ideology have, as it happens to be convenient, been merged to streamline the elections occurring every five years. Currently, the Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats (S&D) is in majority with 215 of 600 seats. Second is the European People's Party (EPP) with 162 seats.
Since the unification, Parliament possesses legislative initiative, i.e. its members can propose laws and bills that may be signed into law by majority-rule, together with the approval and signatures of the Council of the European Union, more simply named Council of Ministers. This new legislative power is the result of merging the Commission into the Parliament, resulting in the permanent MEPs.

Parliament functions not unlike the Congress of the United States (i.e. Upper and Lower house in one institution), while the Council's powers are not unlike those of the US President's, though in both cases there exist subtle and not so subtle differences.
While the member states still have some autonomy in regards to how they conduct internal politics, this may be faded out over time, giving the Union Government's policies absolute precedence over any state's actions.

[Excerpt from the 'Guidebook to being a good permanent MEP', introductory page.]

For further information, simply ask. Try to keep the question focused and specific.

<Searching for Virtual Port>
<Port found. Accessing.>
<Initialising Virtual MEP-room.>
<Done.>

"Welcome, Ladies and Gentlemen. Welcome again for those who have been here previously.
Today is the 4th of February, 2026. It is a Wednesday.
I'd like to welcome the new permanent MEPs. If you don't mind, I shall give them a short explanation for the VC.

Currently, your actual bodies reside in the comfortable chairs of your respective abodes provided to you by the government. As we pay for most of your life-needs and a number of luxuries, you are being paid relatively little, compared to senators, presidents, etcetera of most of the rest of the world. You have received a standard brain-computer interface, surgically implanted around the base of your spine, near the skull. This enables you to participate in Parliament sessions without having to rely on comparatively unreliable mass-transit. Who knows when a train may be late, for example?
Anyways. While you are in this room, you're talking at the speed of thought. This means that a session that would normally take days can potentially be done within mere minutes, or hours. This does not mean that your every thought is exposed. Specialised subroutines prevent that.
I would also like to note that any sort of malicious AI rising from this program, or the computer eating your soul and brain is absolutely impossible. This technology is safer than the fact that we're all going to die eventually.

Which brings me to the topic of today's meeting.
Esteemed Members of Parliament, permanent or not, the thread of Cato annihilating all life on the planet.
While I'm sure that other nations and supranational entities are talking about this, what are we going to do? Just sit here and twiddle thumbs? I think not.
Please suggest a potential course of action. If supported by at least 60% of both permanent and non-permanent MEPs, it will go to the Council, as always, where it may be signed into law after a few days. If not, they will propose changes to the bill.
That should be it for the time being. Any questions before we begin?"
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No. 300164 ID: 6bf918

>any questions?

Yes. Which global powers are currently pursuing space programs, and how far along have they come? Also, has the EU made any new breakthroughs in WMD technology? If we could devise the means to destroy, or deflect Cato, we should look into working with someone who'd have the means to deliver the payload.
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No. 300186 ID: 9754ca
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300186

>>300164
"Currently, several major nations are pursuing space programs. Among them are the United States, the Russian Federation, the PRC, India, the Commonwealth and we, the EU.
For the United States, things are about as they were around 2005 or so. The program exists, but it comparatively underfunded. They also have plans for nuclear thermal rockets, but they lack the funds to actually build them.
Russia's program is relatively simple. They have powerful rockets, capable of taking large payloads into space. They have officially begun evaluating nuclear-powered rockets two years ago.
The PRC is still planning to establish a moon colony, but in the face of Cato, they too have begun to research better ways than chemical propulsion for rockets. It is likely that they are researching nuclear rockets as well.
India's space program is just taking off. They have sent their first manned mission into space mere months ago. Compared to the other programs, it's almost pitiful.
The Commonwealth's program is working together with NASA at the time, and despite an apparent lack of funds, they claim to be building a nuclear rocket right now. Possibly propaganda, but who knows.
We, the European Union, have the latest Ariane-class rockets. They aren't as powerful as those of the Russian Federation or the US, but they're quite a bit cheaper and more cost-effective. If we are to try and improve out program, it might be prudent to follow the same path as the Russians and Chinese, making nuclear rockets. Of course, there are other avenues that could be pursued. I'm sure that the proper arguments can and will be heard by the assembled Members of Parliament."
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No. 300190 ID: bd2a40

Hmm, I would like to know what our current union expansion policy is(or if there even is one, anymore).

Also, I request some information as to why Ireland and the United Kingdom are no longer members of the European Union. The background, if you will.

Next, what are our relations with all the other major powers, as well as neighboring(non major power affiliated) states?
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No. 300237 ID: b96349

As for me, I'd like any information regarding our own space programs, whether currently active or suspended due to the impending threat from Cato. Perhaps some further information on these "Battle Lases" as well, such as potential energy output and potential costs for producing a laser capable of affecting Cato at all.
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No. 300286 ID: a839f2

>>300186
I guess the question I have in regards to this would be how much Uranium the EU currently possesses within its own territory, as well as the Uranium in adjacent "future member states" (IE: Norway, Switzerland, former Yugoslavia and Turkey). If it isn't enough, we may have to pursue an alternative energy source for our rocket.
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No. 300290 ID: bb3692

Righto, considering everyone else is attempting to build NTRs we should put aside some funding for the research and developement of NTRs and if possible, reducing the weight of said engines.
Overall NTR thrust:weight ratios are 7:1 compared to 70:1 for chemical rockets, but as NTRs can use pretty much anything gaseous for reaction mass a refueling station would be useful if built on Mars or the Moon.
In addition we should increase funding for space programs, such as the identification of possible building sites (preferably on the dark side) for automated infrastucture on the moon.
Our public statement should be that this is the first step in building a refuelling and construction site for launches to other parts of the solar system, and eventual inhabitation of them.
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No. 300427 ID: 485b21
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300427

First, a retcon. This is due to a miscalculation on my part. Cato is henceforth a 'mere' 45 kilometers in diameter and classified as Asteroid. This still is more than enough to utterly annihilate all life, should it impact.

>>300190
"Since the unification, no nations have been added. While there are the appropriate laws, bureaucratic texts and the like for new nations joining, many of the non-permanent MEPs (as well as a majority of the council) feel that the EU is sizable enough at the time and does not have time to deal with the strain of adding another member to the Union.
Ireland was expelled for doing little to nothing when Northern Ireland was taken over by insurgent/guerilla forces. Great Britain left because they felt the EU had done too little to avoid this and support them, instead choosing to focus on the Commonwealth. It did improve their survivability, in retrospect. Some economists think that Britain would not have fared as well, had it staid in the EU. In turn, the EU as a whole would've fared even better, though.
As for relations...Relations with the Commonwealth are relatively good, aside from them still being somewhat upset about how the EU 'did too little' and all, as mentioned previously, in the matter of Northern Ireland.
Relations with the United States are good as they can be with a former superpower that is watching someone else take the stage. Diplomatic ties are good, but the populace itself resents the EU's recent rise to a more relevant power in the world.
Relations with the USAN are decent. They would obviously like to be more important and independent in the world, hence attempting to get on the good side of democratic powers. However, its relative disunity make diplomacy with them somewhat schizophrenic. One might even say it's like the EU in its early days.
With the Arab League, relations are as good as they can be at the time, considering that they still supply large amounts of oil to most of the world. Considerably less since the United States' economic troubles began - people there can't drive expensive, gas-guzzling cars anymore - but still enough to be of political relevance, if not diplomatic or technologically. It might be prudent to attempt lessening our reliance on them.
Now, Japan...Relations are quite excellent, I'd say. We trade a lot with each other, and historical relations have been good, too. Not much to say here, I suppose.
Relations with India are entirely neutral. They have blocked any of our attempts to open diplomatic relations, and not initiated any on their own. Perhaps they're going the isolationist route. What is interesting is that they don't appear to have any relations with the PRC, either. We don't know of anything, at the very least.
Russia. We depend on their gas, they depend on our money. Relations are appropriate for that, meaning relatively good. Better than those with the Arab League, at least.
Finally, the People's Republic. Their economy is arguably the most powerful on the planet in Purchasing Power, if not nominally - which is screwed anyways, because nominal GDP still[B] relies on the US dollar for calculations instead of more powerful currencies such as the Euro or Pound. I've no idea why economists keep doing that. The Dollar has weakened immensely since the United States' bankruptcy.

For neighbours, there's Norway. Good relations as always. Ireland, bad, bad, bad. They dislike us quite a lot for expelling them from the EU for 'the actions of independent guerillas'. Too bad for them that they didn't give de facto rulership of North Ireland back to Britain.
Switzerland, neutral as always. Turkey, decently good relations, but they still have problems with Kurds and other minorities.
Balkans...It's the Balkans. A wise man once said, 'Don't get involved in the Balkans if you want to avoid war', and we've mostly done that in recent times. Aside from stopping conflicts. But there's only so much we can do, and there eventually [b]will
be war in former Yugoslavia. They need a second Tito to unite them.
Moldova is tiny, dependent on both us and the Russians. Accordingly, relations are good.
Any nation I didn't mention, aside from dwarf states..?"

>>300237
"The European space program is active. The latest Ariane rocket, type seven, will be capable of just as much as the Russian or US-American carrier rockets. It will be mostly reusable, as well, which heightens cost-efficiency.
Battle Laser is the official description for what commonly is called laser rifles. Using pulsed lasers, they transmit around 200 kilojoule over the space of 500 microseconds at the target in near-IR frequencies. 50 pulses, one every 10 microseconds. Each pulse has around the power of a good firecracker, 4 kilojoule. Due to the pulsing, they have a drilling effect, and are effective over ranges up to 450 meters. Each power pack can supply around 100 shots, so around 5,000 pulses in total. The loaded Battle Laser has a weight of 5.5 kilograms.
Constructing a laser battery to affect Cato would be a rather large undertaking, as we would have to launch additional solar satellites. It would likely require dozens, if not some hundreds of Gigawatt. This might be doable, though. Perhaps some of the more scientific-minded Members would like to add something to this? Or perhaps a Member has a friend or acquaintance who can help with this project?"

>>300286
"Most of our reactors are in fact being retooled to using Thorium instead of Uranium. It's a slow process, but it's ongoing. Uranium deposits we have, in Schneeberg-Schlema-Alberoda in Germany - 96,000 t uranium content - as well as Pribram - 50,000 t uranium content - and Jachymov - ~10,000 t uranium content - in the Czech Republic. Much of Europe's Uranium is in the Czech and South German regions. Most other deposits are smaller than these three."

>>300290
"With the latest Ariane rockets, we could indeed build infrastructure for mining and refueling stations on the moon. Doing this on the dark side might take a little more, but it certainly is feasible.
I might add that we can use the ISS to aid this. Practically all contributing non-European nations have pulled out of the project due to economic woes, aside from Britain.
As for the NTRs, this might require an increase in the ESA's budget unless you wish to remove money from another project. The current budget is 12 billion Euro annually, or approximately 21.5 billion US dollars.
Its current budget is as follows:"
- Earth Observation: 2,532 M€ (21.1%)
- Navigation: 2,004 M€ (16.7%)
- Launchers: 1,836 M€ (15.3%)
- Science: 1,392 M€ (11.6%)
- Human Spaceflight: 1,236 M€ (10.3%)
- Telecommunications: 1,020 M€ (8.5%)
- Basic Activities: 648 M€ (5.4%)
- General Budget: 540 M€ (4.5%)
- Robotic Exploration: 384 M€ (3.2%)
- Other 408 M€ (3.4%)
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No. 300447 ID: b96349

Well, assuming we use what tech we have now, whats the cost comparison for using a laser vs. nuking Cato?
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No. 300457 ID: bd2a40

>>300427
Knowing how big our current budget is would help in allocating it where it needs to go.

There might be some diplomatic problems with constructing a laser or lasers capable of destroying or deflecting the asteroid. Of course, they are unimportant in the face of getting wiped out. Even so, we might face difficulties with such a project as other powers probably do not want us possessing a weapon that powerful, even if we have no intention on turning it on them, with out cause(because, you know, we will if we need to).
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No. 300585 ID: b8f431
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300585

>>300447
"I might note that, whether using nuclear weaponry or powerful lasers, we will have to affect approximately 40% of Cato's surface relatively evenly in order to push it away properly.
Considering that our current arsenal is just under 200 warheads, most of them having far less than 5 megatons in yield, we would have to construct a significant number of fusion-enhanced warheads in order to affect Cato's orbit in any fashion. And we don't know yet how much is needed to shift its orbit sufficiently. Current estimates range between 25 and 60 nukes minimum.
Concerning lasers, they would require additional solar satellites, as said. Their output would likely have to be 100 Gigawatt minimum, so twenty satellites minimum, at 50% power conversion rate. Both plans would be around equal in cost, I believe, though a specialised commission may have to examine that further."

>>300457
"The current total budget is around 5.84 trillion. It is allocated as follows:
Other, 701 €bn
Industry, agriculture, employment, 173 €bn
Transport, 177 €bn
Personal social services, 231 €bn
Housing and Environment, 235 €bn
Debt interest, 234 €bn
Public Order and Safety, 292 €bn
Defence, 350 €bn
Education, 760 €bn
Health, 1,051 €bn
Social protection, 1,636 €bn
Clockwise, as seen on the graph. The ESA budget is part of 'Other'.

And I'm rather sure none of the major powers would like to see us constructing a giant laser cannon in space. Unless we sign some sort of treaty with them to never use it against an earth-based nation or something of that sort."
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No. 300623 ID: d3dfb8

>>300585
Well; first off we need to figure out exactly what Cato is made of, and how much it weights.
Put out a notice for private companies for a sizable grant and a research contract for whoever designs a method capable of figuring Cato the fuck out.
Next step, we take high resolution scans of it's surface such that we can calculate how it will be affected by forces we exert upon it. Then we calculate not how to deflect it and avoid it hitting earth, we make it orbit earth instead.
Then we claim it and harvest the resources.
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No. 300624 ID: c4753c

Assuming, of course, it has any resources in it we would actually want, and that we want a huge lump of rock orbiting the Earth. That's bound to affect the planet in some way.
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No. 300642 ID: bd2a40

Deflecting or destroying it will most likely be simpler and more cost effective.

But I do agree that figuring out the asteroids composition would be useful.
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No. 300664 ID: 28e94e

>>300623
This is a great plan. i approve.
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No. 301027 ID: 301079
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301027

>>300623
"The James Webb Space Telescope and Advanced Technology Large-Aperture Space Telescope (or ATLAST) could be used try try and figure out more about the asteroid as well as making high-res pictures and the like. Current estimates, which unfortunately are not reliable, put it at roughly the same density as Ceres, with similar composition. This would mean that approximately 25% of it is water, and that it would have a weight of almost 100 trillion tons.
But, it's unreliable, even if the current minimum power for lasers and number for the nuclear warheads is based on this.
For the notice, that can most certainly be done if the rest of parliament agrees to it. The non-permanent members will vote independently of the permanent ones.

I'd like to note, however, that making it orbit our planet is a highly ambitious plan."

>>300624
"If we set the telescopes I mentioned earlier on this, we might be able to figure this out within a relatively short timespan."

>>300642
"It is true, deflecting of destroying is more cost-effective in the short term."

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Action/Minor Act - An action is, for example, putting out a notice to corporations that something will get them subsidized, grants or the like. It is a minor act. These require a simple majority in parliament. Actions are likely more common.
Vote/Major Act - A vote is for a major act, such as creating a new law, changing the budget, et cetera. They require a majority of 67% in Parliament.

Majority - Permanent and non-permanent members cast their vote for their respective 'chambers'. If a vote gets above 70% approval in the Permanent chamber, it will count as 40% in Parliament. For non-permanent members, things are somewhat less simple. A throw of the dice (5d20) will determine how many members vote Yes. This can then be influenced by P-MEPs holding a short speech, promoting the act (minor or major). Alternatively, promises can be made to various parties to get their votes. Not keeping these will result in that party voting less often for your proposals for some time.

Actions and Votes take place once per turn. Each turn is 3 months.
Generally, 1 vote and 3 actions can be done per turn. If Parliament is particularly successful with either, they can potentially get the chance to do another vote and/or turn.

Please begin proposing actions and votes. The more support either has (if there is more than one/three), the more likely it is to get chosen as topic for the Parliamentary vote.
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No. 302213 ID: f0e3ae

surely in those many years we have spoken to the other space flight capable nations about collaboration in deflecting cato.
What did they say? a project funded by all the current world powers, each building nukes or part of a laser or whatever to deflect cato would be more feasible then acting alone.
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No. 302454 ID: 7a3407

>>302213
"The US don't know what is good for them, believing they can do this on their own, a bad choice born out of the arrogance of its population.
China are in a similarly 'Do this alone' mood, though they might actually pull it off.
Both the Commonwealth and Russia are likely amenable for a joint program, however.
India, it's unlikely that they could contribute much with the current state of their space program."
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No. 302477 ID: f0e3ae

>>302454
Then perhaps a joint program with the commonwealth and russia is in order. Even if we could do it alone, it might leave us too vulnerable afterwards due to the costs.

Could japan's impressive technology be used as well?
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