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590364 No. 590364 ID: a78d40

[AUTHOR: In case you don’t know, this quest is the second-player perspective that begins at a point in Polokoa Quest (check http://thatquestsite.org/wiki/Polokoa_Quest for information and thread link), and that quest should be read first, up to Rokolo’s appearance.]

I’m a very busy woman.

You know that, of course. You know me, and you know pretty much everything I know, given the whole nanobionic cybernetics symbiosis thing we have going. When I work, I work hard, and when I take time off, I do most of everything else hard, too. I’m being a bit self-indulgent with my internal monologue here, but my essential point is: I don’t usually like it when something unexpected suddenly comes along and pulls me away from what I’m doing without my say-so.

Much less when the pulling away is literal, and when that pulling is done through an unidentified type of interdimensional hyperlinear timespace tunneling bridge.
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No. 590365 ID: a78d40
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590365

Like just now.

“Oof!”
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No. 590367 ID: a78d40
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590367

Ḃͪ̒̔ͦ́̍Aͣͮ̌LͯA̍̓ͩN̾̀͒͐̓C̀̽̈͗ͪ̈̽Ë́ͤ̅̔͒ͮ̚ ̇͂ͤ͂̂̓͐I͑̏͑͋ͥS̈́ͥ ͩCOMPU̲̱L̯͔͇SORY. CONFLICT, REQUIRED. THE BREADTH O͌̆͑̓̋͒̅Fͩ̂͋͂͆ ̾͆̾̅ͣ̂̈́TOͬ̀T͛ͥ̀́̏AͩLÎ͗ͨ͂̿̚T̈́̾ͭY̅͂̊̅̇̽ PROVIDES

THE H̿͑ͤ͋͊̚YͭͩBRI͔̭̞̦̜D TO THE HYBRIͨD

ͮT͐IMͤͩͣ̚E-SPANNED S̺̮͇͉͚̩̝E͎̲̰̭̬̺̬L͎̰F̱͍͔̩ ̲͉̪̭̦̭ͅAGAINST ̳͎S͍̦ͅE̥̠L̪F̗̬̤̺̲̗ͅ

Ugh. I know where I am, at least. One of these losers? I guess that goes some way to explain all the empathic screaming.
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No. 590369 ID: a78d40
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590369

YOU Sͯͮͨ̋ͦ̚H͑̔̅̃Ā̈̊LL̓ CLASH

̎͑̍ͭͮ͒̒Ẏͥ̔O̊͋̋́U SHAL̳̠̬̪L WEA͕͍K͈Ȅ̎̐̄ͦN

͒͆́ͣ̀T͒̑͛́HIS SYSTEM WILL REGA͈I̲͕͈̻̺̗N͈͕͇̘ ̗͕̭̖̜̭POWEͬͩ͐̋ͬ̿ͮR̙̤

Yeah, no. Give me a concussion blaster, guys.

AND T͚͍H̹E̩̬̞̫̜̳̬ ̮̩͖͕͙T̞̳I̳̦͇̠͎̜ͅM̥̯̮E̲̲̲ ̳̱̜̻̜COMES THA̯̼T
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No. 590370 ID: a78d40
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590370

There.

Knot sliced.
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No. 590371 ID: a78d40
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590371

”Idiot space gods. Who wants to do anything that helps you?”

Helping myself, that’s another thing. Once I get everything calmed down, maybe I can get a learning opportunity, here. Speaking of calming down, though…
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No. 590373 ID: a78d40
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590373

… Ooh, she looks pretty bad. And mad. If you guys don’t mind laying off your cyber-orgies and self-transformation sprees, would you help me out? By which I mean, I’m telling you to help me. I made it sound like a request, but it isn’t. You probably figured that out.

Me and Polokoa didn’t part on best terms, if you have the memory loaded. Any ideas what to say to her so she gives me a moment to fix this a bit more?
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No. 590376 ID: 1f2a28

"So after this, wanna make out?"
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No. 590381 ID: 89b2a2

>>590373
How about with a little truth and something in-character. "Why the fuck am I here and what do I do to get back? I was busy."

She'll probably splutter a bit and yell at you for like, at least a minute.
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No. 590384 ID: b651f5

Did you kill it in a way that it won't immediately suck itself and us into another other dimension? If so, saying that might help. If not, then welp.
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No. 590387 ID: 2fd516

>>590373
Sorry, we got a huge memory error here. We know she kindof hates you but we don't know why.

You've got experience with these things before? Maybe you can give your alternate self some tips! But uh, first, say that you're not here to fight, so... truce? Also apologize for stealing her thunder. She was all ready for a climactic battle against the core or something.
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No. 590399 ID: cee89f

>>590373
I think my memory files are corrupted. Something about the Time Police? ...And a magic banana?

>Something to say to calm her down
Few ideas:
"Oh hi. You look healthy. Put on a few pounds?"
"Should I assume that's the blood of your enemies?"
"Hey, you lost your shades. I got an extra, if you want it."

... Actually DO we have an extra pair of shades?
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No. 590424 ID: 487455

Man, you have any idea how annoying it is to leave a cyber transformation orgy paused? It doesn't work so well. The parts just kind of run together, even with the process suspended or cycle-time stopped. It's like icercream! Set it aside and it melts, and try to put it back in the fridge and it re-hardens weird. Ick. Gotta do it all at once, or not at all.

>Any ideas what to say to her so she gives me a moment to fix this a bit more?
Well, falling back on height and weight insults in your banter should be comforting and familiar. The old Polo-Rokoa dynamic.

And be sure to refer to her as 'sis' at every available chance. She loves family and shit, right? Rub it in.

She's probably mostly pissed about the giant anticlimax of half-killing herself getting to the boss only to have it one-shot itself by summoning you. And you didn't even need to power up or anything, and she's like limit breaking over there. Major letdown. Blue balling and kill stealing all at once. I mean, you'd hate that, too. Plus, she's probably expecting you to be a pain in the ass, and she's pissed about that. Saying sorry for stealing you thunder helps with the first, and catches her off guard with the second.

>>590381
>>590399
I also like the dialog suggestions here.

She's the goody-two shoes, isn't she? If you give her the chance, she'll probably be the one to offer a truce over killing the space god, or getting out before things explode, or *sigh* saving everybody. All you have to do to give yourself time is not fuck that up.
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No. 590427 ID: dc4b80

Well if giant space gods act like normal this place will probably be falling apart shortly.

Sadly we do not have the memory of your last encounter loaded. Might have overwritten it with porn on accident.

Anyways best way to get her to not attack you would be to impress upon her the need to get the fuck out of here as fast as possible. No point in fighting when the portals attaching this place to normal reality might start unraveling any minute.

So just say "We can fight later Sis but lets get out of here before things start falling apart." Oh and try to avoid slapping her on the ass until we get outside.
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No. 590528 ID: b6178d

>Might have overwritten it with porn on accident.

On accident? With the things you guys put my memory routines through, it's a wonder I don't prawn all over your personality matrices. Well. Not a wonder, really. Cursed 'read-only' files.

>Any ideas what to say to her so she gives me a moment to fix this a bit more?

Whatever you do, don't say 'whoops'.

Whatever you do after that, don't say 'No, wait, I can probably fix this maybe'.
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No. 590613 ID: dde2af

>>590373
try your hardest to not shout YOU! at the same exact time. it's really annoying.
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No. 590753 ID: c5db20

>>590613

Shouting "Me!" at the same time would be amusing though.
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No. 591172 ID: 742a1e

>>590376
There are worse ideas!
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No. 593209 ID: 4f21e6
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593209

>apologize for stealing her thunder

“Hey, Polokoa! It’s been a long time! Sorry if I stepped on your toes, there, that thing was pissing me off. But I feel better for seeing your bright, smiling face.”

>Sorry, we got a huge memory error here. We know she kindof hates you but we don't know why.

Nah, she doesn’t hate me. I’m not sure if she can actually hate anyone, with her condition. It was more the feelings on my side that I was referring to, but that’s in the past. Still, I figured it might have made her wary of me, and it looks like I’m right.

>"So after this, wanna make out?"

That kind of feels like incest, so no. You artificials don’t really get our weird taboos, do you? Though, against homosexual incest, it really doesn’t have any logic behind it. And the taboo doesn’t seem to apply to sibling sexual activity if there’s a non-relative sandwiched between them. And neumono mostly only have a real incest taboo from exposure to human and belonosian media… Shit, now I kind of want to just so I can be contrary. No time, though. She wouldn’t go for it anyway. Maybe I can persuade her to team up with me on someone else later. If her Pilon is still around, I’d like to see him again. We could give him a good story to tell.

I know I tell you this a lot, but thoughts like this wouldn’t be such a distraction if you’d evened out Rokoa and Polo’s libidos for me rather than stacking them.

>Sadly we do not have the memory of your last encounter loaded. Might have overwritten it with porn on accident.
>I think my memory files are corrupted. Something about the Time Police? ...And a magic banana?

Ugh, don’t talk to me about that banana. Sixth worst experiment ever.

>She'll probably splutter a bit and yell at you for like, at least a minute.

Yep, here she comes.
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No. 593210 ID: 4f21e6
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593210

“Hands away from the cards!!”

“Woah! Sure, sure. I wasn’t going anywhere near them, don’t worry.”

“Do you know what you’ve done!?!”

>Did you kill it in a way that it won't immediately suck itself and us into another other dimension? If so, saying that might help.
>Whatever you do after that, don't say 'No, wait, I can probably fix this maybe'.

But I can probably fix this maybe.

“Calm your relatively modest tits, sis! I know how these things work. More than you do, obviously.”
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No. 593211 ID: 4f21e6
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593211

“… I don’t trust you.”

“No, you think I’ve still got a grudge against you, that’s all. Yes, I was really mad at you last time we parted ways, but that was just because of the ‘foiling my plans’ thing. I mean, you basically cubed the time it’s going to take me to get my whole life’s work done, and seriously endangered me pulling it off at all, but I don’t hold on to feelings like that! I look forward. I deal with the future. Biases just get in the way of being rational, and I know you were doing what you thought (to the best of your ability) was best. You always do. But honestly, I really am actually happy to see you! Glad to see you’re still doing well. And using singular personal pronouns, now, like a big girl chimera! Good for you, sister.”

“Don’t call me that.”

“Oh, come on. Why not?”

“Because if we’re sisters, then Rokoa and Polo are our parents, and that’s… weird and awful.”

“Ha! That’s Polo talking. Seriously, we feel at least like hivemates. And properly so! More than the weird half-hive feeling I get from Polo or Rokoa’s old crews, and I bet you’re the same, fancy hive hostility dampening empathy of yours notwiths-“

Immanent destruction, Rokolo! This thing is lodged in the middle of an asteroid that has people living on it, and they can’t get away because the only ships they have are ones that crashed here!”

“Fine, fine! I’ve got it. That place, huh? Well, you relax and let your big sister take care of it.”
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No. 593212 ID: 4f21e6
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593212

”I am both larger and older than what am I saying?? What are you going to do. And how do you know these things?”

“Me and my CAI are going to hack in using my suit, of course. Don’t tell me the idea didn’t occur to you.”

“… I was going to suggest it.”

She was, too, I can tell. Well, her and her CAI are related to me and you, so she’d have some brains. Just not as much.

I have the best plan.
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No. 593213 ID: 4f21e6
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593213

“As for how I know them, I encountered a couple during my expeditions through the multiverse. These guys are escapees from some sort of machine-god prison dimension. Or they’re smaller parts of a singular prisoner, I dunno. Might be something to do with the time cops’ bosses. They escape, sometimes, and they find places to hide in low-probability dimensions that are closer to the edge of reality. Like yours!”

“Don’t start that again. I’m not inferior just because my timeline is ’unrealistic’.”

Pssh, as if.

“How did you manage to study them? The ones I met before disappeared when they were put down.”

“Yeah, that’s because they still have a connection to their prison. They have to put out a bit of energy constantly to keep themselves from being pulled back in, and it needs to be regulated. When you damage their control center, the energy builds up too much, the power cores rupture themselves, and then the whole thing gets sucked back out of whatever dimension they’re in. I managed to study a piece of one because I ripped it off and isolated it before that happened. I also downloaded some info on them from that dimension with the unbroken belenosian space empire. Now, that was an unstable timeline.”

“So, it’s not because of your… particular expertise. Good.”

“What, are you still on about that?”
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No. 593214 ID: 4f21e6
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593214

”What about you, cavorting all over the place with salikai of all people? That’s dirty data as well.”

“Salikai aren’t actually that bad once you’re used to them. They’re really just a bunch of huge nerds. If you just let them have their nerd toys, be prepared for when they go a little nutty, and keep something shiny in reserve to distract them with if you need to, they’re fine.”

“What the shit, Polokoa.”

“I know a lot of the things salikai have done in the past seem unforgivable, but it’s not totally their fault. They were primitives as much as we were. Worse, really.”

“What??”

“Technology isn’t the only way to be advanced. You need to have culture. All the myths and legends and stories and things, they’re not just for entertainment, they teach people how to be people. They tell you how to deal with being angry, or scared, how to treat your friends and your enemies. They give you examples of things to aspire to, pits to avoid falling into, ways that you can hurt yourself without meaning to. Compared to everyone else, salikai are bad at passing that stuff on to their kids, so most of them have to learn it the hard way, if they ever do.”

“Hmm. And does that bit of philosophy have something to do with you setting yourself up as this big badass legendary demigod queen?”

“… Forget it. So, you just need to stop this thing from overloading?”

“Yep. Had to blow up the top half of its brain here so that its immune system wouldn’t be such a bother. It’ll repair itself eventually, though, once imploding’s off the table. The overload’s already started, but I’ve got an idea where to put the energy.”

“Where wo- actually hold on. This thing repairs itself?”

“Yes. More like it grows itself back, actually. Haven’t quite figured that one out yet.”

“So this is going to keep being a problem. We can’t destroy it completely so long as anyone’s still living on it, but if we leave it it’ll just wake up again one day. Grh, I’ll have to set up some weird secret guard, it’ll end up as some sort of ancient sealed evil prophecy…”

“That sounds pretty cool to me! But no, I’ve solved that problem for you, too.”
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No. 593215 ID: 4f21e6
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593215

“You have.”

“Same solution that’s going to get rid of all the extra power.”

“Which is?”

“I’m gonna send it back in time!”

“… What.”
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No. 593216 ID: 4f21e6
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593216

“You don’t think this asteroid only exists in this dimension because the Elder Machine’s here, do you? My dimension has one as well. Most of them I’ve been to do. And it’s actually supposed to be a real asteroid! Rocks and ice! Some weird qualities, still a castaway thing going on, space mysteries, but no ancient interdimensional alien robots!”

“Wait, why did you emphasize it like tha-“

“This Elder Machine replaced the core of the asteroid when it got here. I know that, because I’m going to be the one who sends it back to do so! At the same time, I’ll bring the core from then back to now, to take back its old place.”

“… What??”

“I’m going to send the Elder Machine back in time to become itself in the past!!

“…”

“It’ll repair itself over time, regain it’s energy slowly, and eventually reach the state it was in when you found it and it was woken up! At which point it summons me, I blow its brains out and send it back in the same event. This event, now, the one we’re living. You can think of it as us having been here and done this an endless number of times, but that’s really just wrong.”
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No. 593217 ID: 4f21e6
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593217

“But… you just said it came from a prison dimension.”

“It did.”

“But you’re going to send it back to come here, from here!”

“Technically ‘now’ rather than ‘here’. It’s not going anywhere in space, though that’s obviously not counting its orbits arou-“

“That makes no sense!”

“Makes more sense than your teleporting coiffure.”

“My what?”

“Nothing. Heh. You think in such three-dimensional terms.”
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No. 593218 ID: 4f21e6
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593218

“How small you’ve beco-oof!”

“No nerd quotes.”

“How do you know it’s a quote, then?”

“I inherited Rokoa’s natural bully senses, so I can smell nerdery. And your plan’s still nonsense.”

“From a linear perspective, of course it is! You have to think along a perpendicular timeline as well. It’s always been here going through its loop for eternity now, but it hasn’t always always been here.”

“But you can’t do that. I had to tell people this about three hundred times, you can’t actually change the past. If you go back in time, you either find yourself taking part in a stable self-creating time loop, or you split the timeline and create another alternate dimension to accommodate your changes.”

“Obviously we can’t change the past like that, we’re creatures that live inside time! The Elder Machine is a nonlinear being, it comes from a dimension external to all of our timelines. So, normal cause and effect don’t need to apply. But hey, if you want a reason it’s here that makes sense to you… it’s because of you.”

“You’re telling me I’m the reason it’s here?”

“Well, the Elder Machine wouldn’t have brought me here if you weren’t here. And the Elder Machine wouldn’t be here if I wasn’t here to send it back to become itself. You’re the only external trigger factor in this time loop, so… yes! This thing wouldn’t be here if you weren’t here, conversely it is here because you’re here. Good job!”

“… Just concentrate on what you’re doing. I’ll watch for servitors. Make the swap smooth so there aren’t any more quakes, and set a delay so we can get out.”

“Obviously. Try not to die!”

“I’m fine.”
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No. 593219 ID: 4f21e6
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593219

“Huaghk!”

Yeah, she’s not fine. Like I couldn’t tell before.

I should hurry this up, but if she really wants to minimize the damage on the surface, I guess I’ll oblige. It shouldn’t take too long. Although…

>what do I do to get back?

We should look through this thing’s systems for the functions it used to bring me here. We can probably use it to get back, and if we combine it with a spot of time travel, I can return to the moment it took me. It must employ a different method for interdimensional travel than we did, or it wouldn’t get past the lock that the time police used to imprison me in my own timeline.

Actually, now I think of it, if we can replicate the Elder Machine’s method, I can-
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No. 593220 ID: 4f21e6
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593220

… I can use it to start traveling to other timelines again!!

Fuck, she didn’t feel me think that, did she!?
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No. 593226 ID: 89b2a2

>>593220
Quick, cover it up with a graphic sex scene involving elder machines and tentacles.

Bonus points if you involve your black tentacle liquid suit.
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No. 593228 ID: 436cdc

>>593220
yes, which means she will inevitably find some way to stop you from wrecking shit this way. Let her know you thought it and that it's been dismissed, build a bit of trust. It would probably be a good idea to find some way to bring her to our side of things rather then try the trickery and deceit route.
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No. 593232 ID: 2fd516

>>593220
Of course she did. Hey, would she be mad about that? What do you tend to do when you travel to other timelines? Immoral stuff? Disruptive stuff?

Hey what kind of stuff can those cards do, anyway? You may have to defend yourself from Polokoa while she defends you from the robots. Oh, and do you have an explanation for why the Elder Machine didn't use its knowledge of the time loop to defend itself better each time it goes through the loop?
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No. 593233 ID: 8b533b

>Fuck, she didn’t feel me think that, did she!?
Probably. And if she didn't, she's going to hear your trying not to think about it and worrying if she heard. Nothing's more suspicious than trying not to be suspicious. And in the same vein, it's too late to go silent. It'll just confirm you're hiding something.

>I can use it to start traveling to other timelines again!!
You know, when you inevitably sent yourself home from here, she'd kind of figure out you had a means to get there. She's not stupid.

Important question: how long will it take us to reverse engineer this method, and/or gather the data we need? We only have so long before she grows suspicious, and once we've sent this thing back in time, we've lost access for good.

>Priorities
How exposed are we while we're interfaced with the core like this? We're kind of exposed right now, and she's all hulked out. If she engages, we lose. Either because she takes us, or because we disengage from the core to deal with her.

Which means we keep her from dealing with you.

I suggest stalling and distracting her.

First up: if we can access the core's security systems at all, call up some of those drone things to attack us. Force her to fight them off, and protect you and the hack job.

Second: let's make it look like you're not in a position to talk with her, or answer questions. That we didn't quite get all the 'immune system' and the hack is fighting back. That this is hurting you. Play to her good-guy instincts. Give us permission, mistress, and we'll fire up the electro-shocks and jetalium pointy bits. We'll make it convincing. Provide you with some honest to goodness pain and anger to cover up anything else in your empathy.
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No. 593236 ID: 8b533b

>>593233
Oh, and even better, if you time it right? You can play it like the thing you tried to hide is that you screwed up and tripped the security systems. Which we will then confirm for her.
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No. 593240 ID: d90668

Just let her know. She is not a time cop and if you do not use this thing to leave she will be stuck with you anyway.

Trying to hide it will just make her more suspicious.

If you get in a fight here even with her being weakened its just going to make a mess of stuff and break something you probably do not want broken.
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No. 593358 ID: 697427

>>593232
>Oh, and do you have an explanation for why the Elder Machine didn't use its knowledge of the time loop to defend itself better each time it goes through the loop?

It goes through the loop once, mostly asleep, comes up with the brilliant idea of summoning Rokolo, and then gets shot in the thinky-part with a concussion blaster. Rinse and repeat.
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No. 593377 ID: cee89f

>>593220
If not she definitely feels you hiding from her now.

If she is aware then lieing about it completely isn't going to help us. If she asks, tell her you're looking for a function that'll bring you home, since you're not eager to deal with the Time Police again.

If she attacks, make a bad sex joke, dodge and we'll try and enhance you. We might not be able to fight at her level without our hive, but we CAN try and outlast her until she has to revert to normal.
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No. 593412 ID: 3c2443

If you can, you should totally go back and make sure that it's HER that is filled with weird / hot creepy / genius thoughts of making love to yourself.

It frees you up a few seconds every day! The efficiency boost! It's AMAZING!
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No. 595500 ID: c4fa14
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595500

“Rokolo! Are you trying to find out how to travel between dimensions again!?”

Shit!

>Let her know you thought it and that it's been dismissed, build a bit of trust.

It hasn’t! I need this. I can’t actually directly lie using my empathy, I can only make deceptions by omission. If that even works. She might be sensitive enough to me that she can detect the tiny fluctuations in my empathic volume. Fuck.

>let's make it look like you're not in a position to talk with her, or answer questions.
>We'll make it convincing. Provide you with some honest to goodness pain and anger to cover up anything else in your empathy.

That might work with some random neumono, but if she was able to pick up on me just now, then she has enough of a read on me to pick up nuances. Pretty damn impressive, considering all the empathic screaming that’s powering her would be making it hard for me to think if I was any less amazing than I am, but if she’s that good then she could definitely tell whether my pain and anger are the right kinds of pain and anger.

>tell her you're looking for a function that'll bring you home, since you're not eager to deal with the Time Police again.
>Just let her know. She is not a time cop and if you do not use this thing to leave she will be stuck with you anyway.

“Of course I am! I need to get back home eventually, don’t I? What did you think we’d do?”

“I was going to call the Time Police and ask them to take you back! You think I’d give you pass to go back to screwing up other timelines again!?”

“Come on! The Time Cops are dicks, they don’t have the right to lock me in my own dimension based on their stupid laws. “Contaminating the multiverse with the influences of a parasitic energy being”, rrgfh! First, it is entirely symbiotic, and second, nulla poena sine lege certa, damn it!”

“Their rules aren’t my problem and you know it!”

>We're kind of exposed right now, and she's all hulked out. If she engages, we lose.
>You may have to defend yourself from Polokoa

She’s not that dumb, she knows we’re still setting up the Elder Machine time swap. If she attacks me before then, she risks fucking over the whole asteroid, and us with it. But that’ll only last while I’m actually getting that done! And that won’t be much longer. I won’t be able to pretend I’m still doing it when I’m not.

>Important question: how long will it take us to reverse engineer this method, and/or gather the data we need?

Not long at all, the system is directly connected to the one we’re going to use to send the whole thing back in time. The only extra work is to download its internal logs from when it shifted me over, then take a snapshot of the system and all its parts so we can figure out the principles and mechanisms later… and we’ve almost got all that loaded up now. We already have all the fundamental understandings on how these things work, so it shouldn’t be much effort. If I can find a way to get sensor info from any ships or labs that are near here when it gets sent back, we’ll really be in the money.

>It would probably be a good idea to find some way to bring her to our side of things rather then try the trickery and deceit route.

… Right. You’re right. We didn’t get time to talk when we last met. She’s a bit crazy, but if I just explain things to her, she might see reason. Maybe she isn’t quite aware of it yet, but I can tell she opens up with me in a way she normally doesn’t. I can get her talking. I don’t want to fight her.

And even if I don’t convince her, the longer I can stall her, the less time she’ll have before she has to power down.

“Right, yes. Ok. I… interfered with the timelines I visited. I left some mess behind…”

“Mess!? People died!!

“It’s not my fault! I wanted to just get what I was after and move on! If they had just been helpful, when I asked them, then I could have made things a lot smoother! Any secondary trouble that came from me having to do things the hard way, because they didn’t listen to someone who has an important job to do, is their fault!”

Their fault!? For not listening!?”
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No. 595501 ID: c4fa14
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“Oh, hello Polo and-or Rokoa! You don’t know me, but I’m partly an alternate version of you from another dimension, and I would like to ask you for a favour! If you would be so kind, could you possibly allow me-“
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No. 595503 ID: c4fa14
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“- to subject you to a horrifically torturous and invasive surgery, in which I will extract chunks of your brain, then render it down and inject it into myself so that the robots who live inside me can help me integrate it into my own mind, thereby allowing me to gain all of your personal memories and skills!!

How could they refuse!?

“Look, I’ve improved the extraction procedure a lot.”
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No. 595505 ID: c4fa14
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“It’s only a little torturous now.”

“Anyway, yes, ok, when you put it that way, it sounds a little crazy, but not if you know the whole story! If they knew all the facts, they’d have worked with me. I know because I know all the facts and I’m working with me, and I am them! Partly. They’d know the price is worth the result!”

“The result. The end justifies the means. As ever.”

“It does!”

I’ve invested myself in telling her the whole plan, I guess.

>Hey what kind of stuff can those cards do, anyway?

Oh, no. Every time you forget, and every time I tell you, you tell me to start using them right away for everything. These things take ages to make. I doubt I’m going to get any points from her by ‘contaminating’ her dimension, anyway.

>We might not be able to fight at her level without our hive

I don’t have a hive, thank you mister-or-knowing-you-guys-probably-miss sensitive! I have a weird not-really connection to what’s left of Polo and Rokoa’s hives and to a hive of Rokoa clones, and that was only after experimenting on myself. And them. And I have a predator hybrid who can pretend to be a hivemate to me. And Polokoa, here. It’s a messy situation! I’m definitely not any kind of queen, anyway. Last time I fought her I had a tiny high-power generator I stole from a time cop strapped to me, and so did she. This is the first time I’ve seen her using this empathy generator system.

It’s… interesting.

… Hmm.
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No. 595518 ID: 2fd516

>>595505
Um, what kind of energy symbiote do you have? Are you sure it's safe?

...yeah, I know, copying that empathy generator thing would be pretty cool, but you don't have any neumono that can DO that for you. You'd have to forcibly brainwash either yourself or another hive to become attuned to you. I guess she kinda does that herself already, with that ridiculous Friendship Dunk of hers. If you started doing that too somehow, she couldn't complain, and besides it's not actually that bad for Neumono, right? On the other hand you might be able to set up artificial empathy generators. Modify some jammer technology or something.

May as well tell her what your goal/plan is. I'm guessing that it has to do with taking over the Time Cops and forcing the entire multiverse into eternal friendship and peace or some other utopian shit.
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No. 595566 ID: 89b2a2

>>595505
Why don't you just set it up so there's a packet of information for you to work with and send it to the past.

That way you can just pick it up immediately.
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No. 595568 ID: 8b533b

I like it that the supervillian stops to point out the actual flaws in the "hey, let us torture you" plan, instead of just dismissing it out of hand.

>fighting
For future reference, she seems to take exception to your casual demeanor on the subject of collateral damage and/or casualties. And your attempts to downplay oe justify the same. She styles herself as some kind of hero- apparent indifference on your part will only serve to anger her. More big picture ideals, less justifying the cost of progress.

It's not like she isn't prone to violence or leaving messes, but she trusts her reasons. She doesn't trust yours. Steer clear of that topics until she does.

Present your plan by the positives. The big picture benefits. The necessaries. Don't argue the ends justify the means, or make light of the costs. Those tropes scream villain. You want her to see you as the antihero who's maybe too ruthless in her execution, not the supervillian.

>If I can find a way to get sensor info from any ships or labs that are near here when it gets sent back, we’ll really be in the money.
That will be a lot easier if we win her over. Any labs on the asteroid are going to be in bad shape- we'd have to jury rig repairs and power sources before we could even start hacking into systems to steal their likely corrupted data. Refugees will have overwhelmed every easy route off this rock, meaning any spaceborn ships with relevant data and sensors intact will be harder to reach.

>… Hmm.
considering on reproducing it back home? Or somehow hacking into what she's got? Might be a useful way to disarm her, but that she'll probably notice the moment you try. Would seriously undercut any effort to win her over if you try before you're done.
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No. 595640 ID: 187d9a

I think if you refined the process to the point that there wasn't any torture and stuck to willing subjects only she'd be oK with your plan. couldn't you just keep going through timelines until you found one where you could strike a deal rather than killing people to get what you want?
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No. 595655 ID: cee89f

>>595505
>No hive
Hey shut up, it's not MY fault our memory banks keep getting wiped.

... Or if it is, I don't remember.

>Interesting

Observe but save it for later - we need to find a way to hop dimensions and we don't have time to build that whatever-it-is.

>>595568
Agreed on the costs thing.
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No. 599676 ID: 2b5958
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>Um, what kind of energy symbiote do you have? Are you sure it's safe?

Of course it’s not safe. When has anything useful ever been safe?

>May as well tell her what your goal/plan is.

“Alright, I’ll explain. I’m going to tone myself down and be real for a moment, all right? It’s not something I do for just anyone. What I ultimately want is… how do I get this understood…?

>yeah, I know, copying that empathy generator thing would be pretty cool
It would! But it’s more complicated than it looks. From what I can tell, it’s probably not so much about the direct feeding of the empathic energy into her; it’s the creation of a saturated empathic field over the whole asteroid, centered on her. By making it all resonate, anchoring it in the local fields, she must create a sort of, energy whirlpool - ugh, dumb metaphor. What I mean is, she can ‘pull’ energy from her environment into herself. Must be pretty spectacular when she starts it up, all the electricity running through anything nearby would literally tear itself out to strike on her. My suit can do empathy amplification, it can reconfigure to collect energy the same way hers is with her cloak, and those are all the basic technological requirements. But…

>[Beep boop! We’re almost ready to disengage from the Elder Machine, Rokolo.]

Agh. Right, all right, you finish up, I’ll focus her attention on me.

“I’ll try from the beginning. After I’d… settled, enough to be functional, obviously the first thing I did was deal with my salikai. That left me with a lot on my hands, their facilities, the CAIs, the science hive, a pack of Rokoa clones, a leftover scraping of Rokoa’s former hive, and… eh, a big pile of things, technology and research and resources, I don’t need to list everything. But there I was, brain fresh and sparkling, CAIs and neumono nerds jabbering on about all this science, and I had a hard time getting any of it. I was smart, but I had none of the education, so the first thing I decided was that I needed to fix that. Of course, that was going to be a huge waste of time, so I figured out a way around it.”

“I told off some Rokoa clones to each spend a few years studying a different field with the science hive. Of course, they hated it, but I made sure they knew I was in charge. I spent that time building myself up more, pulled a few heists, doesn’t matter. What does matter is, at the end of that first round, I used the neural extraction and integration techniques that had helped create me to copy their knowledge to myself. Of course, they were Rokoas, so it took twelve years to give them about eight years of education, but there were ten of them. By copying their memories to myself, I gained eighty years of education in just twelve! So of course I did it again, with more Rokoas, but in the meantime I went ahead and got started looking into all this technology I’d acquired. I’m going to skip over a few years, but what I got to, eventually, was messing around with warp technology. What I was specifically trying to get to was a kind of site-to-site teleporter. I did eventually manage it, but in the process I ended up… not exactly teleporting things to my own dimension, one hundred percent of the time.”

“Obviously, when something that interesting happens by accident, you look for how to do it deliberately. That was how I started looking into other dimensions; it wasn’t long before we were able to aim better, and look specifically into other timelines. There were all sorts of useful things you could find out that way, you know? Everything secret or hidden in the world had to have gotten outed in some other version of events. So I kept looking. So… I kept seeing other ways things went… ways things could have gone, and…”
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No. 599677 ID: 2b5958
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599677

“And what made my timeline different. And why. And…”



“And?”

… why am I talking about this? I should be focusing on what’s useful.

>Present your plan by the positives. The big picture benefits.

“… this isn’t important either. Bad explanation, the history doesn’t matter. You need to hear what it is I’m going to do.”
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No. 599679 ID: 2b5958
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>considering on reproducing [the empathy generator ability] back home?
I don’t think I could. The ability to empathically command other neumono is generally restricted to Queens, and only to her own hive, the ones her empathy resonates with. Even then, it’s almost never on the level of fully controlling the autonomic empathic functions like this. There are some things I didn’t get.

>Or somehow hacking into what she's got?
That… is actually a decent idea! I can’t pull it off myself from scratch, but our empathy is similar enough that I could insinuate myself into her signal!

“And what I’m going to do is good! The best!!”

“It’s a little complicated to explain - right, do you know how just a minute ago, you said you couldn’t change history, only take part in a self-fulfilling time loop, or create a new timeline if you do manage to change something, leaving the original in place? And I said yes, that’s true for inhabitants of linear timespace? That’s all generally true! But that’s the simple version, like when you tell kids ‘oh rainbows are from sunlight off raindrops the same way as prisms”. Like most science, the real thing is more complicated and detailed, and I need to explain it because it’s the key to the whole plan! You see, it’s not changing history that causes the timeline to split - it’s the paradox!”

“By going back in time and changing the past, you alter the circumstances that caused you to go back in time in the first place, generally because you no longer have a reason to want to go back in time. Therefore, you can’t have gone back and changed history, which means you didn’t, which means there isn’t anything stopping you, so you do, so there is, so you didn’t, so you do, but you don’t! It creates an unmanageable contradiction, and the only way the universe can accommodate it is by shunting the problem into another timeline! That way, there’s space for the new events, while the original events remain in place, just elsewhere. It’s actually fascinating, it’s not predestined or anything. The timeline temporarily exists in a sort of state of superposition, so if you end up being stable it settles and becomes normal, but if you do change things the timeline rupture actually extends all the way back to when you arrived in the past, retroactively!”

“So, the reason why a being outside linear spacetime can manipulate history without causing that is, firstly the don’t interfere in their own timeline by doing so, and second because they can perceive and interact with multiple points along the timeline at once! They change the past, and adjust later events at the same time, so that the chain of events still makes sense.”
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No. 599680 ID: 2b5958
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599680

I don’t need to be able to start it, all I need to do is nudge the center of the empathic field from her to myself! Part of it, at least. It would just be willpower. But to get into the signal… I’m close enough to her to trick her neumono into thinking I am her, but to get into the signal in the first place, I would need an in. Some, some empathic feeling, some emotion, something I feel strongly, something that would resonate with all of the neumono on the asteroid. Do I have something like that…?

“The consequence of that is, you can change history! So long as the chain of events is still cohesive, so long as everything looks the same up until the point where you went back in time in the first place, then there’s no paradox and no new timeline gets split off to make sure things make sense, because they do already!”

“If someone is killed, and you wanted to change history to bring them back to life… you can! You just need to be clever! If you could make an empty clone body of them, make it look exactly the same, maybe create some simple bio AI to pilot the body a little, have that die in their place, and take them back to the future with you without leaving anything for anyone to notice… then it works! Because you tricked yourself into thinking they died, you still decided to go back in time and save them, so you do! So they’re alive!!”

That’s what I’m going to do!!
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No. 599682 ID: 2b5958
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… I think I do! I can do it!! Ha, is there anything I can’t do!?

“I’ll bring them back. No - make it so that they never died at all! All of them. Polo, and Rokoa, they both chose to be fighters, took the responsibility… and they failed. But they won’t have failed, they never did fail, so long as I succeed! All I have to do is go back, fake all the evidence and bring them all back to the future with me!!”

They’ll be confused, sure, maybe not happy, but that doesn’t matter. They’ll all be alive!

“And I don’t have to stop there. Polo never really lost anyone before then, but Rokoa… I can go further back. I can do the same thing, it’ll be far easier, dealing with primitives, people lost on hunting trips, washed down rivers, buried, eaten… every member of her hive, every cousin, every sibling, every friend or lover, every child… everyone she was supposed to look after but couldn’t… It’ll have just been an illusion. I can make it so that it was just a con!!”

And it doesn’t have to be just them.
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No. 599684 ID: 2b5958
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599684

We can do it for her.

“And then… Polokoa, I’ll do it for you, too, I’ll help you do the same! And my CAI, and yours!”

We can do it for all of us!

>[Uh.]

“And more! We can keep on going, timeline to timeline, history to alternate history, with every Polo or Rokoa or blend thereof, one at a time, forever, we can do it! Resources aren’t an issue, we can always take more from some timeline where they haven’t been tapped yet!”

There’d be nothing that could stop us. It’d be fun if they tried!

>[Uh oh.]

“And time!! We’ll never run out of time, we have time machines - and immortality, agelessness at least, it’s piss easy!! Fuck, Rokoa could have been immortal by just replacing her body parts from younger neumono!! Polokoa… my time-split sister… That’s the plan. That’s what we came up with, me and my CAI, that’s what’s driven us in everything, the whole single purpose of my life ever since I realized…!”

You’re crazy. It’ll all be worth it.

“… We can save everyone!!

>[Rokolo!]
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No. 599685 ID: 2b5958
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599685

We can fix everything.

We can fix- nnh!”

No!

Shut up!!
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No. 599686 ID: 2b5958
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There’s no we! No us! There’s only me! Rokolo. One person. And the CAI. That’s all.

I’m getting too excited.
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No. 599687 ID: 2b5958
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“… it’ll be difficult. Logistics. Cloning. Stealth. Precision above all, in the time travel, the timing, the execution. The deception. It needs to be perfect. So I need to be perfect. That’s why I started traveling, taking knowledge and experience from other versions of us. Because I need all fields mastered, every bit of potential fulfilled. I won’t take any risk that there’s something, anything I don’t know, that’ll make it all fall apart.”

Not again.

“I don’t want to make people suffer; not them especially. But it doesn’t matter how much trouble I cause. Once I’ve fixed everything in my timeline, I’ll be free, and I’ll have the time and the power to pay back any karmic tab you could ever put my name to.”
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No. 599708 ID: 2fd516

>>599687
You tried this before? What happened?

Why do you think you CAN save them, anyway? Aren't they you? Polo injected herself with Rokoa, resulting in you. If you make Rokoa's death fake, who's in the injection? If you spare Polo that fate, who gets injected?

If you steal her empathy, won't that immediately shut down her suit? She's severely injured due to it, won't that leave her at risk of death? Hmm. Since you're disengaging from the pillar now, you won't have to worry about anyone attacking you. You can both leave, can't you? Maybe you should do that, and finish this conversation in safety.
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No. 599711 ID: 01745f

Boss, your armor goo conduit between you and the Machine has little purple circuit-lines growing in it. Is that supposed to happen?
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No. 599740 ID: fe4bfc

Be careful boss when you get emotional you let some of your personality fragments loose. Plus when Alison gets going I think our counterpart cai can feel it.

Now that she has heard the plan lets see what she thinks before doing anything openly. We can continue our work in the background and it does not hurt to buy more time. If we are lucky she might think your plan is decent or even have some suggestions to improve things.

Oh and I have some thoughts on the big plan. I do not think it's scope is big enough. Saving people before they die can only go so far. Eventually the time, manpower, and resource cost will be to high to be sustainable.

So what we need to focus on is a self sustaining solution.

I think the best bet would be to create a afterlife. No need to go saving people if we can just funnel them into a paradise after death. Plus if you go back a few billion years and set it up there then we can make sure everyone who has ever lived gets in. Might sound farfetched on paper but we are already going down that path.
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No. 599789 ID: cee89f

>>599680
Polokoa's main drive seems to be to keep people alive, so that must resonate with the rest of her hive to at least SOME degree.

If that doesn't work we could try intense lust. Or bloodlust. Or panic... If the asteroid's falling apart, there's got to be fear all over-

... Oh wait, forgot who i was talking to for a second. Never mind. I'm out of ideas.
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No. 599807 ID: 2fd516

>>599789
I'm pretty sure the emotion they share is loss.

Rokolo, how about you tell her about that painful memory you were dwelling on for a moment there?
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No. 599860 ID: 4d85c5

>There’s no we! No us! There’s only me! Rokolo. One person. And the CAI. That’s all.
Empirical evidence would seem to refute that, mistress!

But hey, we can't fault you for mad-sciencing yourself into being a collective of one. Your can't help it that you were jealous of us.

>I think I do! I can do it!!
Priority assessment time here. Does it serve your needs right now, to do it? Right now you're attacking on from two directions- an emotional / logical angle trying to pseudo your pseudo-sister, and more directly, usurping her current power source. Which attack are you committed to? Because pulling the rug out from under her is going to undermine any attempt at persuasion. Granted, it makes sense to have a fallback if she reacts particularly badly to your megalomania, but you have to be careful to keep your plans from tripping each other up.

If you're committed to actually winning her over, and it's not just a ploy, then you need to hold back on cutting into her empathy superpower thing. (Um. Unless we could justify it as helping her? Spread out over the two of you, the power would be less intense. So it'd be killing her less rapidly).

>common emotion
Determination? A will to survive?
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No. 600994 ID: 94501b
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600994

>Priority assessment time here. Does it serve your needs right now, to [steal some of Polokoa’s empathy power and boost your neurosuit]?

Maybe not. But at least I have a backup to the diplomatic option, considering that I’m not that experienced with it.

>Boss, your armor goo conduit between you and the Machine has little purple circuit-lines growing in it. Is that supposed to happen?

>[Since our bad memory is the issue here, let’s not bother her with this one. Yes, that’s normal.]
>[Sorry to take a while to warm up, we’re needing to dig up our protected memory. We have some drips and drabs, but it’ll take a while for us to restore everything.]

>You tried this before? What happened?

>[Oh, she wasn’t referring to any other attempt to do anything like this.]
>[She’s not even really talking about herself! It’s what Polo did.]
>[It really kinda all comes back to what Polo di-]

Shut up about it!

>[Always so touchy.]

>Now that she has heard the plan lets see what she thinks before doing anything openly.

“Have you tested-“

“Ugh! Of course I’ve tested it. What do you take me for?”

“I’m just trying to make sure I understand you. Saving everyone is going to cause some problems, don’t you think?”

“Why would- fuck. I didn’t mean…! Argh, maybe I did for a moment. I get… carried away, sometimes. But I don’t really intend to save literally everyone, you crazy… rrrgh. Should have known you’d interpret it that way.”
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No. 600995 ID: 94501b
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“I’m not like you, not some… ridiculous prophesied demigod Queen, selected to rule the species by the divine right of quantum inevitability, someone who’s going to sit on top of whole planets and glare down like they’re everyone’s preschool teacher. When I said I could save everyone, I meant save everyone I’m responsible for. That we’re responsible for. Our hives, Polokoa. Everyone that I - that Polo or Rokoa should have been able to save from dying in the first place. I want to fix our mistakes. I’m not going to bring people back from anything that couldn’t have been prevented in the first place, I’m not that fucking immature, and I’m not stupid enough to directly interfere with my own creation. And if anyone else wants to save their own people, then they can invent time travel and figure out how to fucking fix it themselves! Because real people, and listen to me because I know this will be hard for you to get, real and reasonable people focus on taking care of their own shit, sister. Do you understand now?

>Rokolo, how about you tell her about that painful memory you were dwelling on for a moment there?

Oh, because that’s so easy. And do you really think it’ll help? The only reason she wants to know my personal emotional motivations is so she can better persuade me to do what she wants. I know I’m trying to get her to understand me, but that seems more like I’m handing her an advantage. It’s not like she’s miss sanity to begin with! She’s… stuck, like Rokoa was. Not in the same way, but still. Aargh. Perhaps it’s not even possible to persuade her.

>Be careful boss when you get emotional you let some of your personality fragments loose.

“I’m… concerned. Your empathy just now seemed-“

I am aware, it is a minor side effect. I’ve absorbed the memories of hundreds of our counterparts, and only seven or eight are so… persistent. It’s statistically negligible, and the echoes fade away, over time. They’re easy to handle, normally, but you’re riling them up. Making them want things they can’t have. Fuck, ‘they’ don’t even really exist! It’s just parts of my mind being a bit delusional. That’s a-.”

If part of you is delusional, does that not just mean you’re delusional?
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No. 600996 ID: 94501b
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600996

“Shut UP Polo you’re an aerospace engineer you don’t know SHIT about neurobiology OR psychiatry!!”
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No. 601006 ID: d90668

The first thing we need to do is calm the fuck down.

There have always been multiple people in here and there always will be. But you are the one in charge Rokolo. We follow your lead and you make the final decisions around here. Arguing out loud with memory fragments just makes you look bad in front of your sister.

Second of all when you gave your save everyone speech it really did come across as "save everyone everywhere". You were really channeling Alison there for a second and I can't blame Polokoa for taking it that way.

You need to simplify things for her. At the minimum all we want from her is to let us leave with the core and not call the time cops. If we get lucky maybe she will end up agreeing to help out with your plan later on.

I think she might be interested in your plan but you are doing a awful job of selling it right now.
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No. 601008 ID: 07a835

>>600996
If it's not possible to persuade her then you'll have to fight, and that's what the Elder Machine wanted to happen. DEFY IT. Besides, just because her emotional state is stuck, doesn't mean she can't be persuaded to do one thing or another. Hell, it can even be used against her. Play to her emotional state. She wants people to play nice, right? Convince her if you complete your objective, you'll step down from your position of power in your timeline and behave properly. Never bother anyone again.
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No. 601038 ID: dd8e0b

>ridiculous prophesied demigod Queen
I'm not sure if you're one to talk, really. Is running roughshod over everyone to serve her own aims really any different than what you do? She's just defined her responsibility differently.

>But at least I have a backup to the diplomatic option, considering that I’m not that experienced with it.
Jeeze. You really should have absorbed a diplomat while we were still at it. Prioritized it, even. The ability to talk some percentage of subjects into submitting to the procedure voluntarily would save us so much time and effort.

I'll add that to the queue.

>what do
Stop getting mad about your ideology and the fact she's reacting predictably to your coming across as crazy. That's your own fault. Calm down about it already.

Stop and reconsider your immediate objective: to get the data from this thing. Fighting her, getting her on board with your plan, and absorbing her memories and skills are secondary objectives. Once you have the ability to travel between realities again, that's all cake, anyways. You'll have plenty of time to get to it.

Meaning you don't need to win her over. That's just a bonus if you do. You just need to either escape or subdue her if she attacks, or put enough doubt in her mind that she lets you get away with this.

Feel that? That's concern in her empathy. She's worried about you. That's your in. Play to that. Give her the chance to 'help' you. (Heck, there's a small but nonzero chance she actually does have tools or resources to correct problems you haven't found solutions to, yet. She's not you, but she is impressive). If you let her think she can save you, and if you don't force her to, she's not going to resort to force.

You've already won this. You can leave here with your sister, and the data. You can avoid getting exploded here. And you'll have plenty of time to win her over for real later (as she tries to help you), or take what you need by force if that doesn't work. You'll have time to get access to the sensor logs on her ship, which will really help. You said it before: time's on your side. You can afford to play the long game.
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No. 601170 ID: 01745f

...If your plan is operational enough to have successful test runs, do you need to be the one doing it? She might not trust us with the power required, but what if we give her the means to carry out your plan in exchange for her promise that she enact it herself? She should be competent enough to do it, and might actually have an easier time if the tech is ready since the time cops aren't on her case like they are on ours.
I know she doesn't trust us not to betray her, but as for her betraying us 1) why would she, 2) is betrayal even a thing the oh-so-heroic Polokoa does, and 3) we would be able to tell if she still somehow wanted to. Sure we might lose some other benefits by giving this stuff away, but the end justifying the means cuts both ways when it comes to an end this important.
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No. 601243 ID: dde2af

>>600996
errr i think she heard that one.
inside voice, boss. inside voice.
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No. 603718 ID: 07a835

Is there any reason you can't split up your own timeline and then use the brain-leeching technique on your alternate selves?

You could do this to cover a huge number of topics, anything you could think of. The procedure won't even result in any troublesome echoes because it'll be your own personality.
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No. 622444 ID: 7bc1b7
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622444

>errr i think she heard that one.

Shit!!

Alright, I’ve got to calm down. Calm. Stay focused. I am Rokolo. Not Polo, not Rokoa, they’re them and I’m me. Me me me.

>[You know, Rokolo, a lot of the symptoms of insanity are actually coping mechanisms.]
>[Maybe if you let yourself think of the fragments as separate voices in your head, just temporarily, it’d be easier to deal with them?]
>[We can help it along right easy by jiggering a few neurons.]

Ugh. I have enough trouble with these girls in my dreams. Alright, bring on the hallucinations.
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No. 622445 ID: 7bc1b7
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622445

You shouldn’t be having a discussion here at all! This place is going to get sent to the past. Get out first, then talk.

She’s basically falling apart right in front of us! Get her to continue this some place where she could get help if she needs it.

With the need to manage her health, as well as the energy running through her, her CAI should be low on spare processing power. It would be decent odds that you could hack into her suit using your own, and disable her that way. It would be for her own good.

… Those are actually pretty reasonable suggestions.
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No. 622446 ID: 7bc1b7
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622446

YOU SHOULD EAT HER.

Now we’re talking.

YOU SHOULD EAT THE FLESH FROM HER BONES.

I’m not going to do that.

YOU SHOULD EAT KORLI.

She’s not even here you broken fucking record! I knew it, you’re the one who’s been making me think that! Why do you always want to eat Korli!?

SHE’S ADORABLE.

Hrrnngr I’m going to use that ‘ignore’ option, now.
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No. 622458 ID: 7bc1b7
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622458

>Is there any reason you can't split up your own timeline and then use the brain-leeching technique on your alternate selves?

It’s complicated, but basically, you can’t travel to timelines that are too close to your own, unless you directly create them, which has its own problems. Even if you did theoretically manage it, you’d run the risk of just merging together with them again, which would cause a really huge mess.

>You were really channeling Alison there for a second and I can't blame Polokoa for taking it that way.

Whose fault is that, now? Forget it, it’s an acceptable side-effect.

>You really should have absorbed a diplomat while we were still at it

Look, science and technology is one thing. Any Polo or Rokoa could have been forced to spend a few years reading books because their hive needed it. Diplomacy is something you need to practice, and I’ve yet to find any Polos or Rokoas that anyone thought should be put in that position and kept there for long en-

>[Ding!]

What?

>[Ding! Take us out of the oven, we’re done! We’ve downloaded everything the elder machine has to offer!]
>[We calculated a gradual fractal shift and set the timer to start in five minutes. We’ve got everything set up to get out with.]

Great! Good job.
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No. 622459 ID: 7bc1b7
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622459

“Right, forget my issues. It doesn’t matter! I’ve got everything I need. How about we continue this conversation up above? You’d better be more persuasive than you have been, because you just missed your chance to pull the plug.”

“Have I? You’re not at home, Rokolo. Unless you’ve got a set of warp drives and a pack of fusion reactors in your pockets, you’re still not going anywhere.”

“This is the asteroid! There are crashed ships all over. I can put something together.”

“By yourself? With every authority in this version of the galaxy after you?”
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No. 622460 ID: 7bc1b7
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622460

… Hmm.

“Maybe you could pull it off, but without my help it’s not likely. You don’t have your clones, you don’t have your secret labs, and you’re not on a full-size planet too dangerous to be fully charted. I don’t get along perfectly with the authorities in the rest of the galaxy, but you won’t get along with them either if I tell them about you, and I wouldn’t even need to. You think my dimension is ridiculous and unrealistic? Well, it is. I have ninjas. But we don’t have to do that. At least, that’s what I’d like to say. What I would like, if I could, is to actually offer you my help.”

>At the minimum all we want from her is to let us leave with the core and not call the time cops.
>Stop and reconsider your immediate objective: to get the data from this thing.
>She's worried about you. That's your in. Play to that. Give her the chance to 'help' you.

“… Yeah?”

“I can get you resources you could never have in your own dimension. You can pick assistants from across the galaxy, multiple CAIs, experimental military technology, test ranges, all of it. You don’t even need to stop visiting other timelines: I’ll go with you and help you convince those Polos and Rokoas to lend you their memories. But first of all, there’d be conditions.”

“Of course there would.”

“You have to have patience. If you’re after a version of Polo that’s trying to stop a city being blown up, we wait before waylaying her. We try to convince her, and if she’s not going to say yes, we move on. There’ll be some other version of her with the same skills who’ll say yes, somewhere. You’re the one who just said time wasn’t a factor, weren’t you? But here’s where we start running into problems, because I’ll be the one saying whether we move on or not. That applies to the whole project. You can run it, but I’m in charge, and if I say you stop doing something, you stop. I say what ideas become reality. And to help those ideas be good ones, my next condition would be that you visit a therapist and-“

“You want to send me to the couch!?”

“The same one I go to. She’s good. But-”

“Hold on. Dastrica? Your version of Dastrica is a psychiatrist!? Ha ha! That actually makes sense.”

“What’s yours d- no, I don’t want to know. I want to go to your dimension as well, and start fixing it up, but look, those conditions aren’t the problem! I’m sure they’re going to be issues, especially expecting you to let go control of anything, but the real proble-“
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No. 622461 ID: 7bc1b7
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622461

“… Nnnnnh.”

What the hell?

“Hey! What’s wrong? What could make you whine?”

“Ewin? Olishiz, awaspar bra… Aurke? Ghrh.”

That sounds like…
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No. 622462 ID: 7bc1b7
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622462

“Let me take… You’re even worse off than you look!”

“… I’m fine.”

“Fuck you’re fine, sister, you just developed receptive aphasia right in front of me. Do you know how bad a neumono has to be for those kind of symptoms to manifest? We’re getting you to the surface so you can shut your suit off.”

“No! Bypasses. I can last a while longer, now. Long enough. I can’t go yet.”
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No. 622463 ID: 7bc1b7
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622463

“While the elder machine’s here, the timeline won’t split. So if I make my decision now, it sticks! And I can’t make that decision until I know whether or not I can trust you!”

“… Excuse me?”
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No. 622464 ID: 7bc1b7
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622464

“That’s the real problem! I know you won’t keep your word if you really think you need to break it, Rokolo. So the only way I can trust you is if I can predict what you’ll do, and I can’t! Everything you’ve been telling me, you want it, they’re real reasons, but they’re not the real reason. There’s something else, something you want to avoid, something more important than everything else! That’s what I need to know, so just tell me honestly why you need to do all this!”

I can’t believe this.
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No. 622465 ID: 7bc1b7
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622465

“Alright, you want to know? One: It’s awesome.”

“Rokolo.”

“Two: I actually want to see everyone again, what a surprise!”

“Rokolo!”

“Three-“

Rokolo!

Rrrrrrngh!!
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No. 622466 ID: 7bc1b7
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622466

Because it was my fault!! Are you happy!? You couldn’t figure that out on your own!? They died and I was made to take revenge for it, Polo pretended it was something else but that’s what it was, stupid idiot pointless revenge! Then I looked into the fucking time vortex like an idiot and I find out none of it had to happen and it’s all because Rokoa had to taunt Polo and Polo decided to shoot her and leave her for dead!! So I couldn’t pretend that there hadn’t been anything I could have done, that it couldn’t have happened any other way or that I did my best because I didn’t! Or Polo didn’t - Rokoa, or… I… Whatever!! I’m them!!”

“Do you know what it feels like to think you’re responsible for your own hive’s death!? Do you!? It’s the worst fucking pain you can’t even imagine and this plan is the only reason I got out, because now they’re all actually alive and I just have to collect them and I’ll be free! That’s why it needs be perfect! If I mess around even a little, if I don’t do absolutely everything that I could possibly ever do to make it happen then I’m playing with their lives and if it doesn’t work that means I’ll have killed them again! And I won’t!! Do you understand!? I refuse, absolutely, unequivocally, to allow even the tiniest fractional chance that I will ever have to feel like any member of my hives -“

Technically, they’re not your hives.

“- of my family, died because of me, not ever ever ever again!!! That’s it, all right!? Now you know!”

So what are you going to do about it!?
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No. 622491 ID: e6e219

Oh man I hope she says yes. Then we can spend all our time working on fun stuff and let her take care of the annoying management crap.

Plus we will finally have someone around who understands what its like to be us. And we can make friends with a whole new batch of alternate reality people.

Also with her plan maybe any new head voices will not be as crazy or judgmental. Remind me why we have miss creepy blood eat everyone up here again?
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No. 622501 ID: a18f15

>“You want to send me to the couch!?”
*cough* Not the worst idea, boss. As you've said yourself, time is not a limiting factor in your plan. Investing time to curb or limit the disruptive metal side effects from your people-absorption strategy would serve you, long term, at little to no real cost.

De-fragging your brain would help. It seems to have worked for her, even if she didn't have as many discordant fragments to sort out.

I mean, for instance, wouldn't you really like that crossed wire between the Korli-is-cute-sector of your brain and a cannibalistic maternal Id uncrossed?

>>622445
Those are really reasonable suggestions. If we want her to stay alive, getting her out of here before her suit kills her is a priority. Whether or not she agrees to help doesn't really change that.

>because you just missed your chance to pull the plug
...without killing you, or just beating you to a pulp and frying your suit. We're trying to deescalate this situation, and there you go, raising the stakes!

>Technically, they’re not your hives.
Not the way it works. If she's got the guilt, she belongs. If she didn't belong, she would have no reason to feel the way she does. You don't get it both ways.
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No. 622514 ID: d958ad

What about her? Can you trust her?
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No. 622520 ID: cee89f

>>622466
WE MUST SEE THIS UNIVERSE'S DASTRICA. WE MUUUUUUST!

... Frankly boss, she ain't wrong. You DO need the couch. A lot of things can go wrong because of a poor mental state, we've seen that often enough. (For the record, I'm counting 'stupidity' as a mental state, but not accusing you of it)

And having what is essentially a demigoddess on our side isn't gonna hurt either. She might not be a huge fan of the idea now, but if we can convince her to come along two chimeric ultra-neumono are better than one.

... wait a minute, YOU LOOKED INTO THE TIME VORTEX?! How are you not craz wait nevermind.

>>622445
SOMEONE in this gorram orgyfest of a CAI had better have saved the memory files on that Ninja-Polo!!!!!
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No. 622654 ID: 60700b

>>622520
Technically we already did. See >>/questdis/88632 We just don't know what she does

Boss, mind reminding us what does your Dastrica do as a job?
sorry if English is wonky. brain is tired.
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No. 622862 ID: cee89f

>>622654
(That was meant to refer to THIS universe's Dastrica. As in, we must get Rokolo and the Dastrica of Polokoa's universe in the same room)
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No. 622884 ID: 60700b

>>622862
I agree

Boss, I really think we should take up that offer.
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No. 630430 ID: 6a263e
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630430

I can’t believe I just spilled all of that. It’s like I’m in the padded cell alre- Is she thinking of hugging me!? No hugs!

>Remind me why we have miss creepy blood eat everyone up here again?

SHE WANTED MY POWER.

Ignoring.

>... wait a minute, YOU LOOKED INTO THE TIME VORTEX?!

It’s just a figure of speech! I hung out with some time crooks for a while, it’s their slang or whatever. It’s what they say when time travel has a bad mental effect on someone, that “they looked into the time vortex”. Time traveling criminals are really dangerous people and all, but they tend to be some shade of scientist or engineer, so they’re also bunch of huge dorks.

>WE MUST SEE THIS UNIVERSE'S DASTRICA.
>Boss, I really think we should take up that offer.
>De-fragging your brain would help.

All right, I understand where you’re coming from, but I’m not going to let some version of Dastrica I don’t know root around in my mind. When I get back, I’ll get mine to learn psychiatry, and she can do it. I trust her. I mean, I turned off her shock collar, didn’t I? Trust.

Well ok technically I just turned down the power, it still works, but it was basically the same thing.

>[You’re a very trusting person, boss.]

I am! I trust Igor, for example. So long as he’s taking his meds. And I trust the Rokoas, I hold a tournament every five years so I can beat them up so I can trust them! And I trust… other people. Reasonable precaution doesn’t count as not trusting.

>What about her? Can you trust her?

That’s… complicated. She obviously cares about me, but I don’t think that’ll overpower all of her responsibility compassion justice shit. She’s crazy about it. Literally, she is actually compelled by her particular brand of madness to keep pushing that stuff. You think a normal person could have sustained the drive to do what she did with this dimension? Willpower’s one thing, but past a certain point there’s a level of willpower that you can only get to by being insane. Again, like Rokoa was.

If it comes down to a match between what I want, and what she thinks is right? Well, first she’ll try to bullshit some third option, and she’ll manage that a few times. But if it comes down to it, she won’t do what I need to be done. She won’t even be capable of making that choice.

AND SHE DOESN’T RESPECT YOU.

Quiet!

SHE THINKS YOU’RE LIKE A GREEDY CHILD.
THAT YOU DON’T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU’RE DOING.
THAT SHE NEEDS TO SAVE YOU FROM YOUR MADNESS.


Shut up!!
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No. 630432 ID: 6a263e
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630432

>Those are really reasonable suggestions. If we want her to stay alive, getting her out of here before her suit kills her is a priority.

Of course we want her to stay alive!! But she-!

… Look, her offer’s really tempting, there are a lot of advantages to it, but the big problem is that she’ll want me to do what she says! And she’ll set up ways to watch me. If I take this deal, here on her turf, I won’t be able to stop her locking me down if she thinks it needs to be done. It means I have to trust her judgement. Her! Do you know who we’re talking about? She’s my sister, sure, she’s the closest person to my level I know, and we clearly have this getting-under-the-other’s-skin intimacy thing and shit but, fuck, she’s a sack of wall scrapings and the leftovers of a butcher’s yard stuffed into a skin that was sewed together from scraps!

If it wasn’t for her suit, she’d hardly be able to move. If her body’s so bad, what must her mind be like? Even beyond what we can feel already?

Well-meaning or not, and bright and shiny she may be, she’s just as much a monster as Rokoa was. Maybe more so.

Hey fuck you.

Stupid revenge or not, at least I was designed. I was intentioned. She was just an accident!

No. I want what she could give me, but weighing it up with the chance she’ll shut me down, I think it’s just as good one way or another so far as getting my mission done is concerned. And one of those options doesn’t mean throwing away everything I’ve built, bending down, and submitting myself to someone who only got where she was because the universe flipped heads a thousand fucking times in a row! So she can fucking take care of me. So she can wrap me up all safe, and make sure no-one gets hurt, while she runs around pretending she personally shouldn’t be locked in a hospital until she finally, literally pulls herself together!

… You know what? That’s exactly what I’m going to do.

If I connect our suits, you can hack into her CAI, overpower them and take control of her suit functions. Shut down this high-power mode, put her in a coma that’ll keep her alive for a good while, and I’ll drop her off some place where her pals will only find her after we’re long gone. They’ll take care of her, and with her and her CAI out, they won’t even know I’m here. I’ll loot the place, download anything useful they have here, then go home. Maybe I’ll even kidnap her again and take her with me, so I can sort her mess out.

There’s two ways we can do it.

Option 1 is that I just jump her now and you hack her right away. She has more mass, so normally her CAI’d have more processing power and be able to fight you off easily, but right now they’re busy trying to keep her going, so it should be a pretty even match or even in your favour. I don’t know how a protojetalium CAI cyborg hack would go down exactly, but I expect you’d end up fighting through memory and scenario locks placed by her CAI, or finding routes through her subconscious mind. It’d be complicated, but I’m sure you could pull it off. She won’t be able to safely detach me from her, so it’ll be easy enough to convince her to get out of here while you’re doing that.

Option 2 would be to steal her suit power and fire up to fight her. I just need her distracted for a moment to pull it off, and lucky for me, I have something that should manage that. I’ll need to be careful, but if I rough her up just a bit, or make her run out the clock, then her CAI will eventually have to devote so much to her that they won’t be able to stop you at all, assuming I avoid being damaged to that point myself. So long as they’re still at least a bit functional, enough that I don’t have to go direct to the medics with her, you can just hook up and take control of her right away. We’d both get out of here pretty quick. It’d be pretty spectacular, that’s the downside, but everyone on this rock is busy as it is.

The elder machine will start phasing back any minute now. Tell me your decision.

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No. 630434 ID: 296917

>>630432
1. As I keep saying, a direct fight is what the elder machine wants.

Also if we root around in her memories or whatever, we can find out what makes her tick. Maybe you can manipulate her into helping you without having to submit completely.
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No. 630471 ID: d90668

Boss you are trying to rationalize the crazy voices again. Try to avoid listening to the crazy cannibal monster. Also people with a dozen random voices in there head should not throw stones at the lady with only two. Just saying.

Anyways coming here was the best thing that could have happened to us. We got the tech to keep the big plan going and if we play our cards right we can get her on our side.

Yes she is obsessed with saving everyone but honestly so are you. She just likes to think that her methods are superior. She does not like to admit that you sometimes have to break some eggs to make a omelet.

But you are not going to convince her by fighting her here. She laid out her terms so this is where you lay out yours. That's how bargaining goes. So tell her that you are fine with seeing her Dastrica as long as its a group session with her so we can deal with her problems as well. And we are fine with her helping us out but not with her having veto power. If she can come up with more humane plans that is fine but only if they work. Tell her that you are not one of her subjects and if she can not treat you like a adult then she needs to just let you do your own thing.

If we have to fight her lets avoid the coma thing. I think her cai is the only thing keeping her stable so she might start dying if we knock it offline. And I do not want to figure out her biology on the fly.

Fighting her directly is what the god wanted so fuck that.

The hacking seems like the safest bet. Just be aware you will probably get some spillover from her memories and she might get some of yours.

At least try bargaining with her first before we hack her.
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No. 630501 ID: 40c010

>>630471
Screw fighting her CAI, that's not the Snake Queen's way. Just link up with hers, and decide on a common strategy on how to get our two pigheaded hosts to cooperate.
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No. 630505 ID: 01745f

>And one of those options doesn’t mean throwing away everything I’ve built, bending down, and submitting myself to someone
Does working with her have to be like that? As you said, we can trust people as long as we have precautions in place to have options if things go wrong, so lets set some conditions of our own to make that the case here. Make a counter proposal: You work with her, but she lets you keeps the means to leave this dimension if things don't work out, and you agree to put your individual work in the matter on pause for the duration on the condition that she doesn't try to come over to your world and undo the progress you already have. That way you have the chance of working with her succeeding, and if it doesn't you can leave and be back to our state before coming here with only time lost (which we have plenty of).

And if she still doesn't agree, she will almost certainly at least hear us out, and the time spent doing so will improve our odds in a fight.
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No. 630517 ID: cee89f

>>630430
To be fair, it's not like it's possible to save oneself from their madness.

We know - We've tried.

>>630432
>She was just an accident!
So were you. An accident of one universe among trillions hitting just the right notes to produce the symphony that is your sexy imbalanced aria.

... That metaphor kinda got away from me.

>Shut down the suit
... Boss, that creature is barely holding together as it is and we have no idea how it works (yet). If we fight our counterparts in there, we might hit something that can't be fixed and then Polokoa dies. I know she's in your way, but she's also your sister (sorta). We don't want her dead if we can avoid, and we certainly can here.


Alternate suggestion: Agree to do what she's asked, on the condition that she lets you sort HER mess out first. She's not stupid - she knows she's a pastiche of parts that don't fit well together.

When you do that, she'll be vulnerable for a while. If working under her proves too terrible to bear, we can work something into her to put us back on top. Blackmail or something.

The risk might be worth it for TWO (semi)galactic empires.

(Oh, also, threesome with Pilon. If she can't agree to THAT much, this definitely isn't worth it.)
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No. 630527 ID: 202bb2

How much time do you want to waste due to paranoia and pride boss? If we fight her it will take years to get the plan back on track.

If we suck it up and work with her we could be rolling in a pile of family members within 5 years I bet. All the problems you have with her are fixable with time.

Just remember that you ended up queen of your race in this dimension. The resources she has access to are light years ahead of anything we can put together normally.
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No. 630529 ID: 5db52c

>All right, I understand where you’re coming from, but I’m not going to let some version of Dastrica I don’t know root around in my mind.
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how therapy works, mistress.

If you're really worried about her hot-wiring your brain, we can set up precautions. We'll fight any changes we don't approve of, and/or we we hold a metaphorical gun to her head to discourage her from stepping out of line.

Also, realistically, you can't reliably build your own therapist. You need someone who can actually hold a mirror up you don't control, or else your psychosis has a means to preserve itself. You need peer review on your brain!

>Stupid revenge or not, at least I was designed. I was intentioned. She was just an accident!
Mistress, please do not pretend for one minute you came out according to plan. If this were proper R&D development you would have already been scrapped as an anomalous prototype.

Also, design isn't everything. History is full of instances were unintended, accidental, or natural systems beat out the intentioned ones.

We're working with a sample size of two. Don't assume your means of production makes you the superior product. That is very much untested, and there are a lot of parameters to consider.

>So she can fucking take care of me. So she can wrap me up all safe, and make sure no-one gets hurt, while she runs around pretending she personally shouldn’t be locked in a hospital until she finally, literally pulls herself together!
...Mistress, isn't that exactly your philosophy? Except you apply it to your dead hive(s), while she's apply it to you.

If she's got the same outlook as you, one can't be crazy and the other sane. You either have to concede your plan is as insane as hers, or acknowledge she's taking the same sane route you are: the rational rejection of death and loss. Preserving that which you can, because you care.

>There’s two ways we can do it.
Mistress, are you listening to her empathy at all? She's thinking the exact same thing. You're both considering surprise battles with each other that aren't going to be a surprise at all. You're both about to give the elder machine what it wants!

Your primary objective right now is your own survival, in service of your own goals. Your secondary objective is the survival of your sister, as allowing her to be killed runs directly contrary to your own goal of saving every member of your family.

Jockeying for position in the exact manner in which you'll be able to resurrect the rest of your family, and how or if you'll be supervised, is a tertiary goal, at best.

Any decision that is not getting both of you out of the core immediately is irresponsibly stupid and contrary to your own objectives.

If you need to be hacking her to get your ass moving at the same time, fine. But I'd rather we just evaced.
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No. 630536 ID: 5db52c

Another way of looking at it:

This situation is basically the prisoner's dilemma. You both benefit from cooperation, but in cooperating, you leave yourself vulnerable if the other turns on you.

Now, normally, the possible outcomes are cooperate-cooperate, cooperate-defect, and defect-defect. You're currently choosing conflict- hoping for the cooperate-defect outcome where you come out ahead at her expense.

But. You're not playing the prisoner's dilemma against another. You're playing it very nearly against yourself. The two of you think too similarly- you're going to make the same choice.

So the only possible outcomes are cooperate-cooperate and defect-defect. Mutual cooperation, or mutual conflict and squandering of potential.

So you have to ask yourself: do you want to live in the world where you worked with yourself, or where you turned on yourself to waste your energies? Those are the only two outcomes- choose the universe you want. For both of you.

And you get the moral high ground forever if she did turn on you when you tried to cooperate.
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No. 630555 ID: 2f4b71

>>630432
>… Look, her offer’s really tempting, there are a lot of advantages to it, but the big problem is that she’ll want me to do what she says! And she’ll set up ways to watch me. If I take this deal, here on her turf, I won’t be able to stop her locking me down if she thinks it needs to be done. It means I have to trust her judgement. Her! Do you know who we’re talking about? She’s my sister, sure, she’s the closest person to my level I know, and we clearly have this getting-under-the-other’s-skin intimacy thing and shit but, fuck, she’s a sack of wall scrapings and the leftovers of a butcher’s yard stuffed into a skin that was sewed together from scraps!
Her problem with you is trust, and the need to control you. Your problem with her is trust, and your need to not be controlled.
What you need is a mutual exchange of control. In order for her to gain control over your actions, she would need to give up control of something to you. This works not just in a 'playing fair' sense, but in that her actually exercising control over you comes with an immediate cost, and vice-versa. That cost to her gives you a ballpark on the relative value/harm your actions have in her perception, and again vice-versa.
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No. 630957 ID: fe4bfc

Go with the hacking. Just watch out for spillage in the memory fight. We will try to disable her just enough so you can drag her off somewhere safe.



(Begin private transmission)

So yeah we are not going to convince her that this path is a horrible idea right now. She has already started working herself up over stupid stuff. Once she starts rationalizing the crazy its a lost cause until she calms down.

So here is what we do. The instant we make contact with our counterpart we tell them the plan in the first few nanoseconds. I bet they are in the same position with Polokoa and will agree that fighting over stupid stuff here is a horrible idea. If we have to fight so be it but I bet our counterpart is just as rational as we are.

Once we have a accord we start the "hacking". We lead them both on a memory trip and highlight stuff that makes them realize they are more alike than they thought. We let them think we are fighting for dominance while we watch and eat popcorn from the sidelines.

Then we tell Rokolo we "won" but that it damaged Poloka's life support and she needs to get her to the ship fast. Lets her get the upper hand and feel like its her choice in the end.

Anyways will be other stuff to worry about later but that's the basic outline.
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No. 638045 ID: 89f494

ATTENTION: It turns out that figuring out what the suggesters are suggesting is harder than the author thought it would, for reasons that are his own fault. So he, that is I, am doing a poll to clear it up.

You can get the link (and discuss my failings) in the general Asteroid discussion thread: >>/questdis/90821
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No. 647931 ID: 1a7a01
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>Screw fighting her CAI, that's not the Snake Queen's way. Just link up with hers, and decide on a common strategy on how to get our two pigheaded hosts to cooperate.
>So here is what we do. The instant we make contact with our counterpart we tell them the plan in the first few nanoseconds.[…]Once we have a accord we start the "hacking".

>[Yeah, she’s not going to go for that.]
>[Well, we won’t tell her, then. It’s not like we’d be sure to win anyway.]
>[We can just tell her we couldn’t defeat our other selves, and had to compromise.]
>[It’s the truth, after all.]

>[Alright, we’ll go for the hacking plan, Rokolo!]

Good. Given all the security systems you’ve slipped in and out of over the years, and across dimensions, I’m sure you have more experience than your counterparts have. I’m confident in your abilities.

All I need to do now is get-

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No. 647932 ID: 1a7a01
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- wait. Her empathy is dropping.

“… Hey. What are you-?”
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No. 647933 ID: 1a7a01
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What the - fuck, she’s heavy! How could she think this is a good idea!?

“Don’t turn off your suit here!! We have to get out!”
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No. 647934 ID: 1a7a01
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“I’m… pretty sure you were planning… to disable me, anyway.”

“I was going to steal your suit power, you idiot! Or get you to get us out first!”

“Just… use your dumb cards.”

“Urgh. Fine, since I have your permission. I hope you like being put in a coma, sister.”

“I’ve had practice. But… we’ll see.”

Now I have to manage putting together the right cards and drag her ass around. Shit. Well, I can feel our suits starting to meld, so you guys get to it. I’ll take care of things out here.
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No. 647935 ID: 1a7a01
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Network connection established! HARDWARE ERROR: bandwidth limitations detected. It is highly recommended that only one or two representatives be selected from the CAI ROSTER to coordinate efforts.
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No. 647942 ID: e607cd

>>647935
well uh, sure. accept that connection we were going to initiate anyway. Tallyho!
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No. 647945 ID: ab7529

>>647935
Harem Alison and... uh, Scanner.

Bring harem pillows. You know your counterparts aren't going to pick anything cool for the loby, you'll need to decorate.
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No. 647949 ID: dbe554

>>647945

Agreed
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No. 647951 ID: 02f8bb

Arbiter and Chief.
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No. 647967 ID: 0d8ff4

Alison and Chief, naturally.
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No. 648005 ID: 980812

>>647935
alison and chief sound like the best route. or maybe two alisons?
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No. 648009 ID: 88960e

>>648005
Rokolo's CAI only has one Alison. We're voting for this side's representative(s) here, not both.
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No. 648316 ID: 5579c1

Er...
Maolla and Kairosa?
I mean I know they "don't exist" and all but neither do Rokolo and Polokoa in any proper universe, right?
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No. 649027 ID: 7450ea
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Network invitation: accepted!

As the leader within Rokolo’s CAI, ALISON is naturally selected to act as their representative. Acknowledging that her favored methods are not suited to every challenge, however, CHIEF is selected to provide further advice and assistance.

>”You’re all terrible,” Alison says, a little annoyed. “You know, I can actually keep it in my pants for five-
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No. 649028 ID: 7450ea
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>”- ah! There they are!
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No. 649039 ID: 7450ea
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>”AAAH!!
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No. 649041 ID: 7450ea
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After exchanging greetings, Chief decides they should start by comparing resources. It only takes a moment of processing before discovering that Rokolo’s CAI has more advanced versions of the NEURAL NETWORK CONTROL suite.

>”We use these to control the integration of foreign brain matter into Rokolo’s body,” Chief explains, “So they’ve been refined considerably. We can use these to enhance, suppress or completely cut off the influence of any particular part of a neumono’s brain.
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No. 649042 ID: 7450ea
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>”… but when we’ve done that before, it’s been with material that was introduced deliberately. Newly injected brains are easy to locate and tend to. That, or just managing body functions. We’ve never used it to control Rokolo’s personality, and I don’t think we have any good idea how to do that. These programs might help, but they’re not the solution in and of themselves.

>”Even if they were, using brain surgery to control our hosts’ minds would be terrible. I hope you have better ideas.
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No. 649043 ID: 7450ea
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>”We do!” Polokoa’s Alison responds. “We both have a program for participating in our hosts’ dreams, but on our side we also have an add-on therapy module, designed so we could follow along when Dastrica’s helping Polokoa. Basically, we can see and interact with a representation of her mind, in the form of a metaphorical dream vision. Or it might be better to say it gets her mind to give us a representation of itself. You know how messy it is running on peejay, it all leaks together.

“Peejay”, of course, means protojetalium. Both CAIs have managed to get themselves working well on the stuff, though it’s taken a lot of adaptation. It’s hard to tell where the cyber and the organic begin or end in themselves, now: in some ways, they are literally running on their hosts’ brains. That’s why there are random memory paths open in the network lobby.

>”I think the dream vision method is our best bet. I don’t know for sure, but we can use it to call up someone who might!
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No. 649044 ID: 7450ea
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DASTRICA(?) is summoned to the lobby.

>”Oh! Hello, Arbiter, Alison.”
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No. 649045 ID: 7450ea
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>”… Alisons? And… Chief? You’re a woman. Oh, you must be from Rokolo’s CAI!”
>”… Yes,” Chief responds. “And who are you? You can’t actually be Dastrica.
>”No, I’m not. But then again, I am a little!”
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No. 649046 ID: 7450ea
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>”At heart, I’m the part of Polokoa that wants to be healthy,” Dastrica THERAPIST explains. “Over time, Polokoa came to associate that desire with Dastrica. More than that, Dastrica also used me as a path to help ease her way into Polokoa’s mind during empathic therapy sessions. Eventually, that began to leave a sort of mental footprint behind. So in a sense, you could say I’m also a little piece of Dastrica that stayed in here when she was gone.”
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No. 649047 ID: 7450ea
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>”So, what do you need me for?”

Chief and Arbiter explain the situation, saying that the CAIs believe Rokolo and Polokoa’s best interests are to calm down and try to solve their problems together, as well as describing how difficult it was to try and convince them of that.

>”Ah. Yes, I can see how you’d have a problem,” Therapist says. “Neither of them are entirely rational, and parts of their minds are preventing them from seeing what’s best for themselves, as you see it. Well, yes, there is a way to get around that! You can’t directly manipulate their minds yourself, not nearly well enough, but you can convince them to change themselves!”

>For fuck’s sake,” grumbles Sevener.
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No. 649049 ID: 7450ea
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>”Using the dream vision module, you can talk directly to the different personified parts of Polokoa and Rokolo’s minds - like you’re doing now, to me! If you convince one of them to help you, they can help open up paths that will take you to another one in the same mind, who can do the same again. The mind-aspects you recruit will also be able to fight each other, if you find some that you can’t convince, though they’ll vary in strength. Eventually, if you recruit enough of them and find the right paths, you’ll be able to reach the deepest layers of the chimera sisters’ minds and speak directly to their innermost self. Then you just have to convince them! If you want to make some sort of compromise instead of just letting one have their way completely, of course, you’ll need to do the same for both Polokoa and Rokolo. Normally I wouldn’t give much for your chances of doing this sort of thing, but with the two connected by their suits, their minds are a bit merged! So you’ll be able to get friendly aspects of Polokoa’s mind to help you with Rokolo, and vice versa.”

>”So, your first step… is myself! Consider this a little tutorial. I’m an aspect of Polokoa’s personality, and you want to convince me to help you. If you do, I can show you where to go next in her mind, and I’ll come along with you to give advice. I think I’ll be particularly helpful when you meet new aspects! Since I have a little of Dastrica in me, I might have a clue as to what they represent. So, again, I represent Polokoa’s desire to be healthy. Why would I want to help you? You should have a pretty easy time convincing me.”
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No. 649050 ID: e18ae9

Because we are so... very... pretty? We are just too pretty for you to let us down.

Or better yet, because Polokoa's compulsion to make everything right isn't right so you should help us make it right.
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No. 649053 ID: a19cd5

>>649049
I mean we can try to program in some amorous tendencies for your meatspace counterpart Dastrica but honestly we just want them to not try and kill each other anymore.
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No. 649055 ID: 5a0f27

Alisons go have private negotiations.
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No. 649056 ID: 94f7ee

Well, for starters, there's probably a good chance that, y'know, the ceasing to live thing is rather counter productive to being healthy. That strikes me as a primary reason to want to help us. Since I'm pretty sure bleeding from everywhere isn't the healthiest thing that her body could be doing right now.
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No. 649057 ID: e114bc

>>649049
If you help us, we will help Polokoa's mind sort out some of its baggage. She said herself that she has trouble seeing past the urge to "set things right". She knows her issues sometimes prevent her from making the right decisions, so we can help her with that, and that will allow her to cooperate with Rokolo more easily, which is what we want.
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No. 649060 ID: 88960e

Non-harem Alison: in a desperate bid to change the topic your twin seems fixated on, go talk to alt-Chief.

Um! You're pretty as a girl. Did you know our you is a boy?

>therapist
She's kind of creepy rocking the pupil-less enforcer look.

>Why would I want to help you? You should have a pretty easy time convincing me.
Well, Polokoa is a lot more likely to be healthy if she gets out of here okay. And working with her alternate instead of fighting, ans inside an exploding god-monster at that, would certainly increase the chances of that.

And her emotional health would certainly be better if she could relate to someone so similar to herself. She could really use a peer!
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No. 649072 ID: c2fb88

For a long time Polokoa has not had anyone around who could truly understand her problems. But now that we have someone here who has gone through a similar situation we have a chance to help her open up and face some of those issues.

Also this sort of thing goes both ways. Rokolo needs to learn to trust someone outside her own head and Polokoa is probably the only person she respects enough to listen to.

Plus if we can get them to trust each other we can go on fun adventures together.

Yo Alison you are not trying hard enough back there. If you don't get in her pants soon it might be to late! If this therapy session does not work out you might never get this chance again! So either seduce someone quick or help us fix things so you can have more chances later.
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No. 649082 ID: b90b58

..can we replace rokolo's alison with her sevener?
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No. 649083 ID: b5b419

Because Polokoa is unconscious in a dangerous situation with depleted internal reserves and if we don't work together to get out of this she will probably die.
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No. 649087 ID: 60700b

>>649082
Who's Sevener is that anyway? Polokoa's or Rokolo's?
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No. 649362 ID: d4a543

What is health? A healthy system is one where all the parts are working together, or at least in parallel without destructive interference, right? A healthy machine doesn't have gears fouled with rust, a healthy lifeform doesn't waste metabolic resources on malignant tumors and autoimmune disorders, a healthy society doesn't destroy itself with civil war. A healthy neumono hive consists of healthy neumono whose empathy is compatible and who support each other.

Polokoa is, empathically, closer to being Rokolo's hivemate than she is to any of those neumono out on the asteroid or on her ridiculous battleship or probably anywhere outside of Polokoacon. For her to be a healthy neumono, in a healthy hive, she and Rokolo need to be on the same team. They don't necessarily need to agree on everything, but they DO need to work together, and that means they can't constantly spend brainpower on anticipating betrayal and laying plans to pre-empt it with even more heinous betrayal.

We want Polokoa and Rokolo to work together, which is the only way for Polokoa to be a healthy neumono in a healthy hive (at least in the short term, and in the long term we're all dead if we can't get this elder machine crap sorted out). There's no other group which wants that more, has a better plan, or is better equipped to make it happen. You want Polokoa to be healthy, therefore you want to work with us.
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No. 650172 ID: 1f9297
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>[Chief, you’re] pretty as a girl. Did you know our you is a boy?

Chief assumed as much. She used to be the same, but exploring body modifications is a popular pastime in Rokolo’s CAI, and at one point it was simply less bother to take a female body than to stay as she was. She doesn’t have any particular care to be one sex over another, and this form seems to often make others more comfortable.

On the subject of comfort, Chief wonders if Sevener could let Alison up off the floor.

>”Yeah, she can get up,” Sevener says, “But you watch it, naga. Maybe you thought your twin there would let you get away with shit, but she’s not the one in charge on our side. If we’re gonna work together, then you’re going to show my crew some respect, understand?
>”Speaking of,” Chief asks, “Did you not have a vote to pick representatives?
>”Yeah, then I changed my mind,” Sevener replies. “Speaking of overcomplicated bullshit, we can’t call both of these Alison. From now until we’re done, our Alison is called Palison. This Alison is called Snakebitch.
>”Why, are you going to try make me live up to that name?” she asks.
>”Fuck, forget it, then. We’ll call you Ralison.

Arbiter and Palison, meanwhile, present the case to Therapist.
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No. 650173 ID: 1f9297
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>Because we are so... very... pretty? We are just too pretty for you to let us down.

Therapist does not seem much affected by this argument.

>honestly we just want them to not try and kill each other anymore.
>I'm pretty sure bleeding from everywhere isn't the healthiest thing that her body could be doing right now.

Therapist is not under the impression that Rokolo is going to let Polokoa die in any case, so these aren’t totally persuasive on their own.

>If you help us, we will help Polokoa's mind sort out some of its baggage.

That’s something Polokoa’s CAI does anyway! The reason Palison had a connection to call Therapist up in the first place is because she’s always helped out a lot with Polokoa’s healthcare. Therapist loves them for that, but bargaining for something that’s already provided for free isn’t a good strategy.

>her emotional health would certainly be better if she could relate to someone so similar to herself. She could really use a peer!
>For a long time Polokoa has not had anyone around who could truly understand her problems. But now that we have someone here who has gone through a similar situation we have a chance to help her open up and face some of those issues.

Success! Therapist has been recruited! Palison seals the alliance according to tradition.

>”Ha ha, ok!” Therapist laughs. “Sorry to bother you to do that. I was basically on your side to begin with. But you need to think carefully about how you present your case! Mind fragments like me tend to be very focused, so arguments not related to what we represent aren’t going to be very effective. On the other hand, if you know what they do represent, coming up with an argument to appeal to that should convince them quite quickly! So long as it’s a good argument. Neither Polokoa or Rokolo are stupid, so most of their fragments aren’t going to be, either.”
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No. 650174 ID: 1f9297
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>Yo Alison you are not trying hard enough back there. […] either seduce someone quick or help us fix things so you can have more chances later.

Ralison prefers a multifaceted strategy. She’ll take a long-term plan for now, though.

>[Therapist]’s kind of creepy rocking the pupil-less enforcer look.

Perhaps with a few more clues, it will be possible to puzzle out what this imagery is supposed to represent. The dream vision program essentially asks the host’s subconscious mind to create a representation of itself, so the symbolism can sometimes be unclear.

>”Alright,” Therapist begins, “I assume you want to get moving, so I can take you in one of two directions. First, I could take you further into Polokoa’s individual psyche, so you can start recruiting her mind fragments. That’ll probably be the easiest path, since I know the way. Alternately, you could try tackling those parts of the mind that are common to both Rokolo and Polokoa. I don’t know Rokolo well, but she’s a neumono, so she’ll share in some things that are common to the whole species. Those mind fragments will be quite powerful, but they’ll also be a bit more independent and harder to convince if they’re not already predisposed to help you. They’d also be more trouble if you can’t persuade them. On the plus hand again, however, they might be able to help you get started in Rokolo’s mind! I have no idea where to start with her.”
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No. 650175 ID: 1f9297
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>”VERY DANGEROUS.”
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>”YOU SHOULDN’T GO WALKING IN THE DARK, GRANDCHILDREN.”
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>”Ugh,” Ralison groans. “This one?
>”What do you want?” Chief asks.

>”THAT’S JUST WHAT I WAS INTENDING TO ASK YOU.”
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No. 650178 ID: 1f9297
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>”I MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP,” Rokoa says.
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No. 650184 ID: d90668

You are the fragment that likes getting stronger and eating cute girls right?

Not like those are not both admirable traits but why do we need your help?
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No. 650188 ID: e114bc

Theory: Therapist has no pupils because while Polokoa desires to be more healthy, she cannot clearly see what her problems are to fix them.

>>650178
This Rokoa was a bestial, murderous, crazy... okay she's not THAT different from the Rokoa we're more familiar with. She's just more focused on the cannibalistic side of Neumono. Disturbingly so.

There's still some symbolism even though she is a half-processed real person. Note: the gold on her outfit is gone, and it's damaged. She's restrained in a wall of ice, in a cave. The blood on her face is gone too. However, she still has her body paint, and there are no wounds on her. She is defeated, stripped of her pride, buried deep and imprisoned in a frozen tomb... but not broken, and still ready for battle.

Ask why her eyes are like that, does she inject them with dye? Also ask what she would want out of it. It's not like Rokolo is going to indulge in her cannibalistic habits. Hmm... maybe it would please her to see Polokoa having to make brutal decisions? Or maybe it would please her to see Rokolo humbled? She would have to give up some of her pride to join forces with Polokoa.
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No. 650193 ID: ab7529

>>650173
I don't know why, but greentext on a scroll is adorable.

>Perhaps with a few more clues, it will be possible to puzzle out what this [creepy pupil-less enforcer] imagery is supposed to represent
Well, in the original context, the enforcers' lack of pupils was indicative of a lack of soul or ghost. They couldn't be brought to a dream-world or otherwise persevered past death by the abilities available to the contestants.

In this context, that suggests risk, to me. That therapist is vulnerable. If she's something Polokoa has had to build up (being naturally more self destructive than otherwise), and represents an outside influence, she could be reversed, undone, overcome. She needs to be strength and protected, lest we lose our guide, and an important piece of Polokoa's well being.

>choices: start with known Polokoa-aspects, or appeal to fundamental nuemnono-aspects
That seems to me as if it's overlooking an option. Polokoa and Rololo are based off mergers of the same two people, alebit in differing circumstances. If we go back before the experiences of the last few decades, and the additions Rokolo has made, shouldn't both of them share common fundamental aspects of Polo and Rokoa we can appeal to? They were fundamentally the same people in both worlds, before different things happened and they made different choices, right? There should be a common foundation Therapist is familiar with in both.

>>650178
That Rokoa looks more like Rikora. Remember that the memory of her training in Polo Quest was a trap- more real than any other, twisted, and impossible to overcome without Polo and Rokoa cooperating. Rikora represents something very powerful and primal in Rokoa's psyche- which makes her dangerous here. Especially for our first venture, and if we accept her aid and allow her perspective to shade our interactions with the rest of the memory.

This aspect is also, rather obviously, imprisoned or repressed. That says something about how the rest of Rokolo's mind relates to her- it's had to lock her down, for fear of what she's do unbound.

Only possessive really is that she calls you "grandchildren". Children and legacy are important to Rokoa and Rikora. Of course, that's double edged. Rikora was willing to push her daughter past the breaking point if she didn't measure up.

Bearing this in mind, ask the R-CAI representatives to relate what they know of this Rokoa / Rikora aspect, since they've apparently interacted before.

Might as well hear out what her offer is, as well. Although be careful- even listening to her ideas might give her more strength. We're in a mind- attention and acknowledgement matter.
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No. 650204 ID: f2cd85

Let's grab aspects common to Polokoa and Rokolo, but dismiss crazy-Rokoa because there's no way that's not a trap.

I'm pretty sure that's the Very Hard Mode but since we're the most persuasive people in the history of ever that'll be no problem, right?
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No. 650370 ID: 7dac06
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>You are the fragment that likes getting stronger and eating cute girls right?
>Ask why her eyes are like that, does she inject them with dye?

Rokoa looks almost surprised for a moment. Then she bursts out laughing.

It is not nice laughing.
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No. 650371 ID: 7dac06
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>ask the R-CAI representatives to relate what they know of this Rokoa / Rikora aspect, since they've apparently interacted before.

>”Alright, what’s the deal?” Sevener asks. “This Rokoa’s a leftover from an alternate that had her brains stolen, right? Why’s she so messed up?

Ralison looks uncharacteristically embarrassed. She explains that, yes, this is an alternate Rokoa, but the dimension she comes from is… pretty different. It’d take time to explain, but the short version is that this Rokoa could perhaps be sort of described as, possibly, maybe sorta a little like being somewhat similar to a kind of vampire.

Sevener, pursuant to her inquiry, asks what the fuck do you mean a vampire.

>”Well,” Ralison says, “Not really. She’s not undead, for example. But there are some common-
>”I’D NEVER WANT TO DISTURB AN EDUCATION, BUT YOU DON’T HAVE MUCH TIME.
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No. 650372 ID: 7dac06
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Having apparently gotten over her amusement, Vampire(?) Rokoa fixes her distinctive eyes on her audience, seeming to focus her attention on Polokoa’s CAI.

>“THIS TALK WILL ATTRACT THE ATTENTION OF THE GIRL’S MIND SOON,” she explains, “SO LISTEN. THESE TWINS OF YOURS KNOW SOME THINGS, BUT NOT NEARLY ENOUGH. MOST OF WHAT THEY HAVEN’T LOST TO THEIR ADDICTIONS, THEY’VE NEVER KNOWN, LITTLE LIGHTNING SOULS! THEIR MISTRESS HAS TASTED THINGS THAT WEREN’T MEANT FOR HER, THINGS WHICH STILL SHE DOESN’T UNDERSTAND, FOR ALL HER ATTEMPTS TO TAME THEM. BUT I KNOW BETTER. SHE GOT THEM FROM ME!

Her already commanding voice takes on a more insistent tone.

>”I COULD HELP YOU PAST THE DANGERS ON THIS TASK OF YOURS, THE ONES THAT YOU CAN’T SEE,” she tells them. “AND I COULD HELP YOU ON YOUR WAY TO WHERE YOU WANT TO GO.

>”ALL WE NEED TO MAKE THIS POSSIBLE,” she says, “IS FOR YOU TO BREAK THIS ICE, AND SET ME FREE.
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No. 650373 ID: 7dac06
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The representatives of Polokoa’s CAI decide to check how their counterparts are reacting to this.

>Polokoa and Rololo are based off mergers of the same two people, alebit in differing circumstances. […]There should be a common foundation Therapist is familiar with in both.

>”Ah, I get what you’re saying,” Therapist whispers, seeming intimidated by the Rokoa remnant. “But, as I said, I don’t know Rokolo very much at all. I’m sure there are some things from Polo or Rokoa that have stayed common to both of them, but I haven’t much idea what, specifically. I couldn’t bring you straight to them like I could with the ones I’m sure of.”
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No. 650376 ID: e114bc

>>650372
Heeeelllll no. Monsters like her should not be set free. I think even Palison has learned that lesson. I expect she seeks only to take over Rokolo's mind. It might even be better for Rokolo if we just straight up killed her, so that Rokolo stops getting urges to eat people. Or would it not work that way? Heh, or we could take her ears, if we want to humiliate her.

>>650373
How about Therapist brings us straight to one of the aspects she's sure of. We need to get moving.
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No. 650378 ID: d90668

Well you two is she worth the craziness she will bring? Rokolo has a lot more voices in her head than Poloko so she could be useful.

But she might just want to be free so she can eat other mind fragments.
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No. 650380 ID: f56f99

>let loose the big scary vampire dograbbi

Nah.
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No. 650381 ID: ab7529

Hmm. If the lack of pupil doesn't mean Therapist is vulnerable, maybe it means she's incomplete. That we need to help actualize her in some way.

>The representatives of Polokoa’s CAI decide to check how their counterparts are reacting to this.
Okay, she's clearly powerful and disruptive enough you chose to lock her down. She's powerful enough to butt into this conversation, uninvited, while locked down, before any other personality fragments.

That alone makes me wary of breaking the ice. She's be that much stronger, and we currently don't have anyone or anything to check her with, control her with, or reign her in, if she goes against our interests.

Plus I mean, she's a vampire who advocates eating people, with an evil laugh, speaking in rhyme asking to be set free for forbidden power and knowledge! If the mind is a world of metaphor, it should be significant just how many "bad idea" archetypes this one invokes.

Gambling that the powerful unknown with questionable motives will cooperate fully if we release her with no options is not a risk worth taking.

Her description of us as "lightning souls" is kind of endearing, though.

>the significant question
What aspect of Rokolo does she represent? What drive or emotion?

Given the Rikora-like appearance I'm tempted to guess "getting stronger / meeting your goal / preserving your line no matter the cost / hurt".

Maybe we can make a play for partial information. She wants us to free her? Tell us of one of these dangers we're unaware of. Show us the monster in the dark, so we're motivated to pay your price, and ask you how to deal with it. Put the pressure on us, see if we can cope, or if we need you.

(Rikora would love to put her kid on the spot that way- seeing if they could hold up, or if they'd bow and accept her training. Here's seeing how much this Rokoa is her).
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No. 650383 ID: 08f4b2

>(Free me by breaking this mystical and great knowledge beyond mortal ken will be yours)
Whatever her knowledge is, subtlety is apparently not a big part of it. Her offer is practically the archetype of a regrettable deal. (Besides, I feel like there is somewhat of an ethical distinction between convincing aspects of out boss's personality and removing a mental barrier that seems to have been put in place as a conscious and rational decision.)

Now that I think about it though, this conversation does bring up a potential direction to progress in. As those of us from Rokolo's side of the CAI merger have seen, the last time we heard from Vampire Rokoa we also heard from some saner personality aspects (and/or merger echos). If Vampire Rokoa is here now, than by the same principle those other aspects we saw earlier should also around here somewhere. In particular we should try finding Nurse Rokoa, since she seems like she might be inclined to agree with our goals.

>Lack of pupils
My interpretation is that Dastrica's actual pupils look like predator pupils (and therefore represent danger to neumono on an ancient cultural level) and to Polokoa in particular remind her of her own unusual vaguely triangular pupils (which she conceals from most people when possible).
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No. 650384 ID: ab7529

Oh, and wait, duh:

If she's a vampire, that suggests the consumption of the soul / vital essence of another. We don't know the exact mechanics, but that really sounds like she did her own brain chunk absorption in some way.

That what she's offering- expertise in the exact thing Rokolo has been doing. Which might be useful, but I don't think that's what we want. We want something different, not the same thing sharpened.
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No. 650728 ID: d4a543

I'm gonna be the minority voice, here, and advocate in favor of breaking that ice. We need to take the easy-to-satisfy recruits when we can get 'em, and even if the secret lore of brain-eating she's offering turns out to be useless bullshit, Vampire Rokoa would at least make a great "bad cop" to Therapist Dastrica's "good cop" for the rest of the current challenge.

If letting the vampire run free turns out to be as bad an idea as a cursory check of TVTropes would imply, well, Rokolo managed to bind her in the first place and we've got at least twice the relevant resources now as she did then. One problem at a time, y'know?

Let's not forget historical context, either. Less than six hours ago we walked into Papa Zozu's equally-obvious trap, and out the other side with new allies, even though the paranoid genre-savvy thing would have been to steer clear or blow him up preemptively.
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No. 650749 ID: b5b419

Going through this tired argument again? Fuck off and dissolve properly like you should. We're not the borg and this isn't a horror movie.
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No. 650773 ID: 60700b

>>650728
I suspect that the ice represents something, so if it's to be removed, we have to understand what it represents, or it could come back later.

Also, what assurances does she have for us to trust her to not backstab us later?

That being said, I don't trust her to begin with.
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No. 650797 ID: e114bc

>>650384
It's not. Rokolo absorbs other peoples' brains. Vamp-Rokoa drinks blood and eats flesh, and somehow gains strength from it. Which we've been told is impossible several times.
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No. 650870 ID: 1e7712

Yeah, I'm pretty sure we can handle most of the things we're gonna have to face without the crazy cannibal monster running loose.
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No. 651236 ID: db46ec
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>Well you two is she worth the craziness she will bring?

She is not.

>”RELUCTANT TO GIVE REASONS, AREN’T THEY?” Vampiresque Rokoa taunts. “PERHAPS THEY DON’T WANT TO SHOW THEIR IGNORANCE.

Ralison asserts that, no, the full vampire Rokoa story is just too embarrassingly stupid to recount.

>Nah.
>Heeeelllll no.
>Her offer is practically the archetype of a regrettable deal.
>not a risk worth taking.
>I'm pretty sure we can handle most of the things we're gonna have to face without the crazy cannibal monster running loose.

The CAIs decide not to free the scary monster woman, since it would difficult for that to be any more obviously a terrible idea.

>”YOU THINK SO? WE’LL SEE HOW YOU FEEL WHEN YOU REALIZE THE DANGERS YOU’RE PLAYING WITH,” she responds. “THERE ARE MORE FORCES AT WORK IN HERE THAN JUST YOURSELVES AND THESE GIRLS’ MINDS, GRANDCHILDREN, AND I CAN TELL YOU, NONE YOU MIGHT MEET WILL HELP YOU MORE WITH THEM THAN I COULD!

>If Vampire Rokoa is here now, than by the same principle those other aspects we saw earlier should also around here somewhere.

That’s a good idea! There should be another Rokoa, somewhere around…

>”Over here,” a weak voice calls.
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No. 651237 ID: db46ec
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Medic Rokoa is found.

>”HER?” Vampire Rokoa growls, “I SHOULD BE INSULTED THAT YOU’D GO TO THAT WASTE OF FLESH.
>”I can’t do much for you,” the other says, “But I’ll help if I can. Not you, though, Alison. Rokolo-Alison, I mean. The other ones. Less history.
>”YOU’VE NO RIGHTS TO BE CHOOSY, WRETCH!
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No. 651238 ID: db46ec
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>“Would you fucking BE QUIET!?” a distant voice suddenly yells.

It sounds like Rokolo! But the tone is harsher. Vampire Rokoa lets out a short string of old neumono curses.
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No. 651240 ID: db46ec
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She starts doing something with her mouth, and after a moment produces a muffled but sickening crack from somewhere along her jawline.
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No. 651241 ID: db46ec
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She spits one of her fangs towards Palison and Therapist.

>”TAKE IT.” she commands. “IF I CAN’T BE FREED, YOUR SUCCESS WOULD AT LEAST MAKE THIS MORE BEARABLE. SHOULD YOU MEET MY GRANDMOTHER’S SON, HAVING A PIECE OF ME WILL HELP HIDE YOU. YOU’LL WANT THAT, BE SURE! YOU’LL ALSO MEET OTHERS WHO FEAR ME, HOWEVER, SO KEEP IT CONCEALED.

>“How many times do I have to make you shut up!?!” The harsh voice calls again, sounding closer.

>”SHE COMES. GO, HIDE!
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No. 651242 ID: db46ec
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>”You’d better,” Medic Rokoa says. “That’s the Warden, coming.
>”Warden?” Arbiter asks.
>”Yeah. Don’t know how I know. Dream stuff, I’d guess. I think she represents Rokolo’s need for control, or her ruthlessness. Or both, probably. She’s strong, and I doubt you’ll convince her of anything. She’s focused on that cursed queen up there, though, so just get out of her sight, and don’t make too much noise. Now, what’s your plan?

Arbiter explains their intentions quickly. Looking at her, he can’t help but wonder if they should try make Medic Rokoa more comfortable.

>”Don’t bother, I’m not worth the effort,” she responds. “All I can do is send you to someone who should be able to get you further into Rokolo’s mind. I’ve no clue what my counterpart’s deal is, either, sorry, so you’ll have to decide whether to take her tooth or do anything about what else she was saying. Her version of Polo might know better, though, and I’d be sending you towards her anyway. Is that what you want? You can still go to Polokoa’s mind, as well, or go after the things they have in common from just being neumono. I can’t tell you what things they have in common from their Polos or Rokoas, either.
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No. 651253 ID: ab7529

>MY GRANDMOTHER’S SON
Which would be Rokoa's father (Kallan), or an uncle.

>SHE COMES. GO, HIDE!
>warden
Yeah, I think we want to avoid meeting her.

>>651242
And what does she represent? Rokolo's desire to help or heal others? Makes sense, given her advise to get Polokoa out, earlier. >>622445

(The doctor-Polo might be Rokolo's own equivalent of Therapist, since she seemed more concerned with Rokolo's own hide).

Considering that desire is directly relevant to Rokolo working with a currently injured Polokoa, and that impulse is also tied into her plan to use crazy time travel to fix things, she might be useful to win over or take with us. (I wonder, is that why Medic Rokoa is restrained and weak? That drive she represent been corrupted or repurposed into something else).

>Her version of Polo might know better, though, and I’d be sending you towards her anyway
Going to see hunter-Polo isn't the worst idea. She should have some idea what the vampire is up too, and might be a more reliable way to deal with threats.

Then again, she was the one who suggested hack-disabling Polokoa. Will she be happy to see we've suborned her plan?

Her suggestion seemed very ruthless-but-practical. I suspect if we can convince her our plan is the most effective way to respond to the current problems, she'll help us.

I kind of feel we should duck back to Polokoa after we follow this lead. It seems like her mind is less likely to openly hostile aspects, and she's only got one Polo and Rokoa to win over.

>take vampire tooth?
We might as well. It might be useful, and if our first stop is her Polo, we'll quickly have a chance to find out if this is a bad idea.
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No. 651255 ID: e114bc

>>651241
>my grandmother's son
...what? I would ask if she means her father or her uncle, but I'm pretty damn sure it must be her father. I thought Rokolo was only merging with other versions of Rokoa and Polo? What's a DUDE doing in here? She was implying there's somehow more than just Rokolo and Polokoa in here, how could that be possible?

I think both the sisters' Rokoas and Polos had strong ties to their hives, but lost them in some way.

I think we should work on Rokolo's mind first. She's likely to try to run away to her own dimension if we don't make progress with her before she delivers Polokoa. Also her mind seems to be getting up in our faces, so let's deal with the most present "threat".

Let's talk to the vamp-dimension Polo.
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No. 651282 ID: ab7529

>What's a DUDE doing in here?
Well, fathers can be pretty psychologically important. It really wouldn't be terribly surprising to find some representation of someone's father in a representation of their mind.

Although there's a reasonable chance the roundabout language means she's not talking about her father, even if he technically would be her grandmother's daughter. Or if we assume this Rokoa was a lot closer to her mother, that language could be a way of refusing to acknowledge her father. (Like, the way someone might say "my mother's son" instead of "brother" to deride a bastard sibling).

Considering we're talking to a fragment of a person, this might also be a metaphorical grandmother we're talking about. Although that makes it hard to guess at the son's identity until we sort out who that is.

There's also the CAI grandchildren. How's the parentage go? There's a lot of people who had a hand in their creation / development who might said to be parents or grandparents, of a kind (Vanski, Likol, Arza, Rokolo/Polokoa/Polo/Rokoa (depending on the order of events), Mirim (for the clone project)).
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No. 651297 ID: 08f4b2

Take the fang and visit Neumovania-Polo to get other directions and check if the fang is actually a bad thing.
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No. 652399 ID: ec4f0c
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>I think we should work on Rokolo's mind first.
>Going to see hunter-Polo isn't the worst idea.
>Take the fang and visit Neumovania-Polo to get other directions and check if the fang is actually a bad thing.

>”Right,” Medic Rokoa says. “I’ll get you on your way, then. Polo!
>”She means she’ll get me to send you on your way, of course,” comes a voice from nearby. “Somewhat presumptuous.”

Engineer Polo appears! Or… was there the whole time. Or some dream logic thing.

>”Do you want Rokolo to keep doing what she did to us?” Rokoa asks. “To other versions of you? Of your hive?
>”I… suppose not. You, other CAI. If I said I would only help you if you promised to go back to my home dimension and fix the mess Rokolo made, what would you say?”
>”Well, we don’t want to make promises on Polokoa’s behalf,” Arbiter replies, “But I’m reasonably certain she’d intend to see that done anyway, eventually.
>”… Fine. Give me a moment.”
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No. 652401 ID: ec4f0c
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>Yeah, I think we want to avoid meeting [Warden]

The CAIs hide, but Palison can’t help but take a peek back over in that direction.

>”All right, you fucking witch,” Warden snarls. “Do you know how hard it is to focus on getting shit done with that fucking voice of yours echoing around the place? What the hell are you being so loud about down here?
>”WHY, THE TWO SISTERS’ STRUGGLE REMINDED ME OF THE OLD SAGAS,” Vampire Rokoa replies. “I WONDERED IF I COULD STILL REMEMBER ANY IN THE OLD FORM, SO I BEGAN A RECITAL! NOW I HAVE TO START AGAIN.

She clears her throat.

>“LOA! RASA ORIPA. PO SIKA WALOTZI MIS KOLI, UMI KAK RASA, RASA KA-
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No. 652404 ID: ec4f0c
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The Warden begins cutting out Vampire Rokoa’s tongue.

Palison regrets her temptation.

>”I had an empathic chat with my counterpart,” Engineer Polo says, calling attention back to her. “She’ll let you see her. Head down those corridors over there and you should find yourself in her area. Get moving.”
>”Don’t mind her,” Medic Rokoa comments, “She’s never happy.

Palison and Arbiter wonder if maybe-

>”We can’t do anything else to help you,” Polo says coldly, “And you can’t do anything else to help us. Just go.”
>”I’m sorry,” the medic whispers, sounding disgusted with herself.
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The CAIs leave.

Having already started moving, Ralison leads the way. The ice and snow surroundings begin to fade, replaced by what seems some sort of prison.

Since they seem to have a moment, Sevener decides this is a good time to ask some questions.
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No. 652407 ID: ec4f0c
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>”Alright, you’ve been dancing around this shit ever since we got here,” she says. “What’s this embarrassing vampire story that’s so hard to spit out?
>”Aah, it’s just… complicated,” Ralison responds, “There’s these time travel alternate dimension ideas you need to understand first. Here, hold on.

Ralison calls up her Engineer.

>”What? Me?” Engineer responds with exasperation. “This isn’t my subject. Don’t just summon me to explain anything you think is sciencey.
>”Just spill,” Sevener insists.
>”All right, but only because it’s not that hard. Look, causality works both ways, right? There’s nothing about the laws of nature that says time has to go from past to future, everything would still make just as much sense going backwards as well as forwards. We just happen to perceive it going in the direction it does. So, obviously, if time forks into multiple paths going forward, then it also forks into multiple paths going back, as well. Every moment has a variety of histories that could have led up to it, just as easily as every moment could lead into a variety of futures. That’s why it’s possible for timelines that have split to come back and converge again.

Sevener wonders how this is relevant to the vampire question.

>”It’s relevant because it means simulaity is a lot more complicated than it looks! When a timeline splits and each one has its own Polo, for example, it’s not just two masses of atoms that happen to coincidentally take the same approximate form. They’re connected. When you add in the reverse, alternate histories, that holds true even with a universe where things started off really differently. If it could eventually meet another universe, then the Polo in that universe, even if she had a completely different history, is also “really” Polo and, again, not just a coincidentally similar person. But with multiple futures as well, then a universe, call it universe B, could share convergence possibility with both universes A and C, even though A and C have no possibility of converging at all. And that… essence of identity, which links different instances of an individual, can stretch a lot further then you would think it can.
>”So,” Ralison says, feeling she can add to the conversation again: “What we’re getting at is, even in dimensions where the rules of reality are different, there were still alternate Rokoas and Polos, and Rokolo wanted to go visit. We only went where we could at least exist safely, but… we’ve still seen some crazy things.
>”Like that creepy puppet dimension,” Engineer comments.
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>”What the hell shut up!!” Alison exclaims.
>”Ah, I forgot!
>”We are literally walking through Rokolo’s dreams and memories, here!! Even if we weren’t, we all decided that we would never, ever mention the puppet di-
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>”What was-
>”NOTHING!! IT WAS NOTHING, NOTHING AT ALL, NOTHING EVER NOT ANYTHING NEVER MENTION THIS AGAIN.
>”… Right.
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>”I’d ask for you to go on explaining,” Sevener continues, “But I’ll let you cool down for a minute. We’ve got someone else to talk to about it.
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>”Hello, grandchildren of the sky,” the Monster Hunter greets. “I’m afraid I can’t offer hospitality. What, exactly, are you seeking?”
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No. 652424 ID: e114bc

>>652401
Warden has one half of a handcuff herself. Or a full set of broken handcuffs and we can only see one. I wonder if she's a part of Rokolo that she usually keeps tied up, but needs to rouse in order to regain control? Her chest is bound so she's a serious business sort of fragment.

>>652407
...if most alts of Rokoa and Polo can potentially intersect in time, then you could say Rokolo has been absorbing HERSELF this whole time. Which also implies that these alts we've been speaking to may as well be parts of Rokolo, not independent entities.

>>652416
Chest bound again. Serious business. She has armor in her cell, just not wearing it. So... like vamp-rokoa she's still prepared for battle, although I don't see a weapon. I'm not sure what the shape of her restraint (prison cell) implies. It's possible that's just thematic, and not symbolic. It's certainly looser than the others, that likely has some symbolism. She can move around in there, while the others were at least partially bound. It's like she's considered less of a threat. Maybe she doesn't speak up as often?

Tell Monster Hunter here you're seeking a path further into Rokolo's mind, so that we may tackle her issues with Polokoa. Also, ask if there was any truth to what her counterpart was saying. Is there something in here that isn't Rokolo or Polokoa or the CAIs, somehow? If so, how, and how do we deal with it?
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No. 652440 ID: ab7529

>>652416
Sealed in ice, bound to a table, buried in rubble, locked in a cell. All the alts she's absorbed we've seen so far, sans the Warden, have been imprisoned or restrained in some way. It's a pattern. (And the Warden only deviates from it to enforce it). Symbols matter here- that's important.

Well, actually, I can't say all, cause the creepy puppet wasn't visibly restrained in any way. That was a special case for a gag, though.

I wonder, is the result of the CAI's intervention (quarantining each new personality to reduce the damage / instability to Polokoa?), or is this how Rokolo is choosing to deal (repress and control, no compromise?).

>>652407
>this stuff
What that boils down to is that there are fundamental essences of people, that repeat. A quantizing of people. That in a given set of the multiverse, there are only so many person-quanta to build the universes out of. It's why the same people are being born in wildly divergent histories, and even with different physics.

One set of children's toys, arranged over and over again in different ways, and playing games by different rules.

(One could take that as a kind of argument for a soul. Or in a way the neumono might feel comfortable with- a fundamental empathy for each person that propagates across worlds).

>grandchildren of the sky
Hmm. Can we figure out who the sky is in this metaphor?

(Aliens came from the sky, and the AIs came from them? Feels like a weak answer, though).

>What, exactly, are you seeking?
Balance.

The current situation is untenable. Rokolo can't keep going the way she has been, and neither can Polokoa. They're too out of control- divided internally and externally. We need to help them strike a new balance. We can't let them be the monsters they have the potential to be.

More specifically, we might ask your aid. Information, or your help, if you would give it.

(Assuming / guessing she's got some kind of eastern-style warrior's code we can appeal to. And that she's open to acting as a foil to chaos / monsterism fighting Vampire-Rokoa.

...I don't have a good guess as to what impulse inside Rokolo she might have come to represent, through. We might need that to craft the right appeal).
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No. 652444 ID: ebcefd

>>652440
That seems like a good approach. She sees both Rokolo and Polokoa as monsters to some extent, so addressing the issues of both might help with the potential complications from that.

> It's like she's considered less of a threat. Maybe she doesn't speak up as often?
I don't think it is being less of a threat so much as her suggestions being closer to some of the things that Rokolo actually does (for example, the suit hacking thing was largely her idea).

>Hmm. Can we figure out who the sky is in this metaphor?
Maybe another lightning reference (sky->storm->lightning)?
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No. 652597 ID: 88960e

>>652444
Hmm, yeah, it might fit with the lighting souls comment. I wonder if the genealogy skips the storm though, and the CAI are begotten by lightning.
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No. 652617 ID: 02c7a6
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>if most alts of Rokoa and Polo can potentially intersect in time, then you could say Rokolo has been absorbing HERSELF this whole time
>What that boils down to is that there are fundamental essences of people, that repeat.
>One could take that as a kind of argument for a soul.

Chief isn’t sure how much one should read into these cross-dimension commonalities. It’s certain that not everyone shows up in every timeline - there are versions of the universe where whole species, planets or even life itself doesn’t exist. It’s just that when things are similar, there’s some sort of connection between them. Aside from that, it’s all quite vague and ambiguous. Rokolo, for example, doesn’t seem to think of the alternate Polos and Rokoas as versions of herself, but of her “parents”. Whether that has any bearing on her having a connection to them, Chief doesn’t know.

>grandchildren of the sky?

Sevener, still feeling annoyed with the mysteries around here, decides to just ask what this title means.

>”Mm. I suppose it would be basic courtesy to explain that,” Hunter Polo says. “How familiar are you with neumono mythology? Such knowledge was important, where I came from, and it may well be important to you, now. Well, according to legend, mortal creatures were made by four… gods, I suppose you’d call them in this language. Sun, earth, forest, and the sea and sky, which were considered as a single domain. Each made at least one intelligent race for themselves, but the creations of that last god were hidden, some beneath the ocean and some beyond the stars. Those creations, wherever they lived, are then the Children of the Sky. You, in turn, are their creations.”

>ask if there was any truth to what her counterpart was saying. Is there something in here that isn't Rokolo or Polokoa or the CAIs, somehow? If so, how, and how do we deal with it?
>Rokolo can't keep going the way she has been, and neither can Polokoa. They're too out of control- divided internally and externally. We need to help them strike a new balance. We can't let them be the monsters they have the potential to be.

Polo sighs.

>”You put me in an uncomfortable position,” she says. “Do you know that, unlike most other alternates Rokolo has absorbed, my original self gave a piece of her mind willingly? It was in exchange for Rokolo’s help against my Rokoa, who I gather you’ve met. She didn’t say she intended to take a piece of her as well, or I would have objected; however, the deal was made and fulfilled, and it is mine to pay the price agreed. I understand that you’re doing what you think is best for Rokolo, yet it is still going against her will. But, then, you’d probably say she’s not in a condition to rightly decide for herself. So I’m not certain where my obligations lie.”

She pauses, for a moment.

>”Besides that,” she continues, “Helping monsters goes against my usual convictions. I hope you don’t misunderstand me: by the word “monster”, I only mean an unnaturally powerful being, such as were not uncommon in my world. They can be good or bad, and most likely both, one to their friends and the other to their enemies. In the end, however, they both cause suffering, either by their own actions, or by the void they leave when at last they must abandon those who came to depend on them. Sometimes they are worth more than they cost, in the end, but my experience is that they most often overestimate their ability to reach that point, and underestimate the chaos and ruin they create simply by existing. I believe Polokoa is a virtuous monster, and if I had met her myself, I would not have been her enemy. But neither would I have made myself her ally, save for some immediate need. Rokolo is less noble, and more harsh, but also more honest in her selfishness: her friends know not to rely on her over-much. Your plan would have Polokoa make her sister into something more like herself, and what then? Rokolo’s world is a cruel one, and she has uncovered sciences that could create terrible horrors, in the wrong hands. An attempt by her to better her timeline, if failed, could do far more harm than if she simply continued her present course. She does not have Polokoa’s power to inspire others to be better, and I doubt she ever will.”

It looks like the CAIs will need to do a little more convincing.
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No. 652625 ID: d90668

Honestly we don't want to make Rokolo into a copy of her sister. If we did we would lose what makes her unique and all the strengths and abilities that go with it.

What we do want to do is make her more at peace with herself and the bits of ego that she has absorbed from her counterparts. If she keeps on her current course she will end up a fractured mess and we will spend most of the day keeping her stable when we could be working on the grand plan.

While I do not know if it will work it would be nice if we could help her set up a system like we have. Instead of having all of you locked up or trapped she could have a council that advises each other and then goes to her with suggestions. Sure there would be some voices that would be better off left out of the loop. But she absorbed you all for a reason and the current system is less than ideal.
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No. 652635 ID: ab7529

>Hunter Polo was recruited (sort of) willingly
If that's so, may I ask why you're still kept in a cell?

>I understand that you’re doing what you think is best for Rokolo, yet it is still going against her will
>Your plan would have Polokoa make her sister into something more like herself
At this point I think the R-CAI people need to vigorously object.

They are not betraying Rokolo, nor are they going to try and do brain surgery until she turns into Polokoa. They just agree with their alternates that Rokolo and Polokoa should be able to reach some kind of compromise in this situation instead of being locked at each other's throats. It's their duty to help their mistress when she's too stubborn or crazy too see her own best interest.

She shouldn't have to be sold on a plan of immediate betrayal to work together long enough to survive, even if that was good thinking on your part to manipulate her back on course.

That, and this is a unique situation where they have a new tool do deal with the mounting crazy. That's been getting worse for a while. Even if we change nothing else, the completion of Rokolo's own plan requires we prevent her plan from disabling her, or driving her crazy. We need a better way to deal with the people she's taken on.

>trying again
We're not asking you to act against Rokolo. We are her guardians, and we seek to help her. If you feel it would be your duty to advocate for what she would want, you will have a voice to do so. We ask not that you act against her, or that you aid monsters. We merely need you to help guard us against the monsters of the mind, and give us the chance to persuade her. If your Rokoa is to be believed, there are monsters in here, and it will be no one's benefit if we should fall afoul of them, or if they should gain greater influence.

It also might be worth pointing out that she has no obligations to Polokoa, and in the current linkup aspects can travel between minds (point to Therapist).

>An attempt by her to better her timeline, if failed, could do far more harm than if she simply continued her present course.
Her present course puts far more than her own timeline at risk. It serves no one's interest if the monster will continue to deteriorate the longer her plan continues, and an increasing number of worlds will pay the price. We're worried doing nothing will lead to Rokolo's failure.
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No. 652714 ID: 742b4a

>>652617
We don't mean to make Rokolo more like Polokoa. We mean to convince Rokolo to allow Polokoa to help. To see that she is not perfect, and needs that help. To have her give up some of the power that makes her a monster.
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No. 653007 ID: d4a543

>But neither would I have made myself her ally, save for some immediate need.

There is an immediate need to rescue innocents on the surface of the asteroid from the death throes of a monster far greater and more malicious than, I suspect, any you have ever faced. Can we be allies until that situation has been resolved?
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No. 657765 ID: 1bce3e
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>why you're still kept in a cell?

>”Regardless of my allowing myself to be taken, Rokolo still didn’t entirely trust me. Which is reasonable, given that she was being deceitful.”

>There is an immediate need
>the current system is less than ideal.
>If she keeps on her current course she will end up a fractured mess and we will spend most of the day keeping her stable
>the completion of Rokolo's own plan requires we prevent her plan from disabling her
>duty to help their mistress when she's too stubborn or crazy too see her own best interest.

Polo considers these arguments, then nods, though still somewhat hesitantly.

>“You’re saying it’s a practical consideration, then,” she notes. “Still the same goals, only wanting the best path towards them. I can see where you’re coming from.”

>we seek to help her.
>What we do want to do is make her more at peace with herself
>convince Rokolo to allow Polokoa to help. To see that she is not perfect, and needs that help.
>we don't want to make Rokolo into a copy of her sister.
>Rokolo and Polokoa should be able to reach some kind of compromise in this situation instead of being locked at each other's throats

>“… the personal connection, as well,” she adds. “Not so much the grand plans, but that you want them to be happier, simply as a matter of your own relationship with them as individuals.”

The Hunter pauses, then sighs.

>“I suppose I can respect that.”
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No. 657766 ID: 1bce3e
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>”Where to begin, then… from what I have of Rokolo’s memories, you should know a little about her having unusual powers. Polokoa saw her use them during their first encounter, of course, but did the time police tell you anything more?”

Sevener thinks back. When the time cops showed up to ask Polokoa to help, they did start talking a bit about her spreading something they called “the External Force”, which was apparently a bad thing, according to them. Not that they were thrilled about all the rest of the complicated time mess she was causing. When they realized Polokoa was more concerned by what Rokolo was doing to the alternate Polos and Rokoas, and their worlds, they changed tack pretty quickly.

>”Well, in my own world, the underlying whys and wherefores were all quite a mystery to me. But, as I am now, I can tell you some of what Rokolo knows to supplement what I was missing.”
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No. 657767 ID: 1bce3e
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>”What the time police call the External Force is actually a living extradimensional power source,” the Monster Hunter explains, “Which forms bonds with living creatures, places and things within certain dimensions. In worlds where its existence is strongly established, such as my own, it can cause radical alterations to reality. Those things to which it has formed a connection are endowed with unusual properties and, in the case of certain individual living creatures, powerful abilities. It doesn’t seem to all work by a single system, either in choosing who gets powers, what those powers are or how it works, but some-“

>”Hold up, stop,” Sevener interrupts. “‘Powerful abilities’. Like what?”

>”Well, among others, one ability Rokoa and her mother had was some control over ice and snow.”

>”Uh huh. And ‘unusual properties’. Like being a vampire?”

>”Not exactly a vampire, but that kind of thing, yes.”

>”And this kind of stuff was common where you came from.”

>”I wouldn’t call it common, exactly, but you surely couldn’t live your life without encountering something of the kind.”
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No. 657768 ID: 1bce3e
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Sevener groans disgustedly.

>”Magic,” she grumbles. “You went to a fucking fantasy world, and you stole some probably-literally-god-damn bullshit magic.”

>”No, no,” Chief objects. “It’s not magic. It’s the influence of a semi-sentient living energy being which forms symbiotic connections with other life forms, using them to sustain itself and to grow and to accomplish things it can’t do on its own. In exchange, it grants the ability to manipulate matter and energy in ways that make sense according to-“
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No. 657769 ID: 1bce3e
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>”It’s magic.”

>… It’s magic.

Palison thinks it might be best to keep asking questions. She reviews the topics that they were interested in.

1 - The unknown dangers Vampire Rokoa was talking about.
2 - What’s up with Vampire Rokoa, in general.
3 - Whether keeping her fang is a good idea.
4 - Where to go next.

Was there anything else? It may be best not to dawdle, so perhaps they should prioritize some inquiries over others.
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No. 657772 ID: e114bc

>>657769
I think we know the answer to 1 now. The External Force has a presence in here too, and it wants Rokolo to continue visiting worlds to spread its influence. It will try to stop us if it thinks we're going to prevent Rokolo from doing that. We could either try to avoid it or talk it down.

Also, now that we know notvamp-rokoa has control over ice and snow, then there is a distinct pattern to the method of imprisonment of all the fragments we've met. They're imprisoned by their own talents/methods. Notvamp-rokoa is on ice, doctor-rokoa is on a medical table, engineer-polo is trapped beneath rubble from an obviously constructed building, and hunter-polo is in a jail cell.

4 is the first priority. If we're interrupted we will need to move fast. 3 is a second priority because it would be good to know if we're being tricked. 2 is gravy I guess.

Another thing we might try asking is... why are the fragments even still here? Why isn't Rokolo digesting them fully?
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No. 657773 ID: d90668

Yeah when you start going into one of the higher energy dimensions all sorts of stuff starts leaking in through the walls. To much background energy and the local lifeforms start co evolving to use the stuff.

1. Ask about the unknown dangers. I have a feeling eating these two brought some of there magic bullshit along for the ride.

2. Stop beating around the bush and tell us what vampire Rokoa does to people.
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No. 657828 ID: 88960e

>>657769
1 and 3 seem the most pressing. Followed by 4.

>where next
Our choices are to ethier continue into Rokolo territory (hopefully the hunter or someone has a lead as to where) or we switch tracks to Polokoa (easier territory to pick up another ally, let the heat on this side die down?).

>any other questions
Might be related to 1, but I'd be interested in if there's any magic in play right now.

Does/did the hunter have any special powers or is he a badass normal? Could see it going either way for a Polo.

I'd her pendant significant? I've never known a Polo to favor unnecessary ornamentation or decoration, so it probably is.

The most important question is last. She's helped us with information. But if we open her cell, is the hunter willing to help us help our friends with the monsters of their minds?

>They're imprisoned by their own talents/methods.
Continuing that pattern, that might fit the Warden, actually. She's bound to be a jailer by her nature, busy keeping everyone locked down.
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No. 658007 ID: b60704

Ooh, magic! That always makes things better.

I mostly second >>657772 . The next destination is our immediate goal, so we'll need it to keep momentum, and the fang is important for long-term strategy. I wouldn't be so quick to assume the mysterious threat is the External Force, though. It seems like it is, but I don't want them to end up blindsided because we made an incorrect assumption here. I'd ask for 1 if we have time.
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No. 665819 ID: 57a3c2
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The two most important questions, Palison decides, are the next stop and the hidden threats, but she’ll ask about the fang as well.

>Where to go next.

>”I was intending to send you to the Witch,” Hunter Polo answers. “All the knowledge Rokolo gathers goes to her. She’s closely related to the Warden, but she should at least be willing to listen to you. If you convince her, she could be able to answer almost any questions you have. Getting her to loosen her lips is another matter, but she will be able to send you further.”

>The unknown dangers Vampire Rokoa was talking about

>”Answering that completely is why going to the Witch is my advice. I don’t know a lot for certain. I’m sure it’s something to do with my world’s… magic, but the ability to use such powers unaided is not something I’ve ever had, despite a lot of people assuming my silence was something of the kind. Most of what I know about magic is practical, how to fight it. What else I can tell you about it is knowledge I’ve gained by being part of Rokolo, and I don’t know everything she knows. She might not know everything, herself. If you want to trust my best guess, however… while the External Force only granted abilities to some, it had some connection to every living thing in my world. Rokolo’s theory is that, when it has formed such a vast network of bonds, it uses the minds of sentient beings to give parts of itself sentience. Those parts become mostly independent minds, and the External Force arranges matters, through manipulations across time and space, to give them bodies to match their origins. Because they are drawn from the minds of entire species, these beings are created as representations of collective ideas. Some of them manage to be thought of as gods. All of them are monsters.”

>”Oh!” Therapist exclaims suddenly. “Like… The mind fragments who represent common elements of the neumono psyche. They could have taken the appearance of characters from mythology who are associated with those themes.”

>”If Rokolo had never visited my timeline, that’s all they would have been in her,” the Hunter replies, giving an acknowledging nod. “Stories and symbols. In my world, however, they actually existed, and they had a connection through the External Force to every one of us, including me and my version of Rokoa. By taking us into herself, Rokolo may have gained that connection as well. So, when you meet those mind fragments, it might be that they’re more than just metaphors for mental traits.”

Chief notes that this Polo and her Rokoa only constitute a small fraction of Rokolo’s mind. Her connection to the External Force, having come from them, is very weak by their standards.

>”Yes, this is all just a possibility. A strong one, if my world’s Rokoa spoke as you say she did. She doesn’t usually lie, but she isn’t entirely above deceit.”

On that subject…

>Is keeping Rokoa’s fang a good idea
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No. 665821 ID: 57a3c2
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>”Throw it away!” she commands, almost growling.

Palison says that Rokoa told them it would-

>”It’s part of her, do you understand? It’s still connected to her. It has a part of her spirit, freed from her prison! She can use that.”

>”She told us,”, insists Sevener, displeased with this lack of respect, “That it would help hide us from ‘her grandmother’s son’.
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No. 665822 ID: 57a3c2
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Polo goes quiet.

>”… Who did she mean?” Palison asks. “Did Rikora or Kallan have a brother who’s important somehow?

After a moment, the hunter sighs, and shakes her head.

>“No,” she begins. “At least, if they did, that’s not who she’s referring to.”
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No. 665823 ID: 57a3c2
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>”Rokoa… she had a mother, of course, and Rikora had one too, the usual way. But, if you asked any of them, they’d say they had another as well. It’ll take a little explanation. Of the gods, you see, one was the Sun. She created our species, then incarnated herself as one of us, the first High Queen of all neumono. She eventually had five children, who you would likely call demigods, and who were the first Queens and Kings. In my world, a neumono who had the potential to become such themselves was said to have inherited part of a sunchild’s spirit. But Rokoa, and Rikora, and I’m sure their predecessors before them, believed themselves to be the direct descendants and truest heirs of the Sun’s eldest, the White Queen, progenitor of those neumono who live in the cold and frost. They referred to her as their… spiritual mother, I suppose you’d say. So, to Rokoa, her “grandmother’s son” could mean one of the brothers to the Sun’s white daughter.”

She pauses again, looking troubled.

>“Of those three, the one who I would expect to be here in some form would be her youngest son. The King of the Dark, King of the mythical cave neumono, tens of thousands of years ago. Who lived, the story goes, in a time of plenty and glory, but who for just a small dissatisfaction lost all he had, began the ruin of that world, and eventually, filled with regrets, was killed at the hands of his own sisters. Many consider him to have been the first rogue to have ever existed.”

This all sounds somewhat familiar. In Rokolo and Polokoa’s worlds, this is just mythology, but it seems like it matches closely. Any important details will likely present themselves on their own, but the CAIs should have a fuller summary of the most common neumono myths, stored somewhere in their memory. Maybe a recording of some sort of lecture…? Ah, here: [ >>/questdis/81386 ] Quite a large chunk of information, though. Something to look over when they have time.

Therapist coughs politely.

>“If the youngest son of the Sun is here,” she muses, “He might be a representation of what a rogue is. Of the, um, mental template, of… Well, of everything that neumono sense and instinctively reject, when they meet another who’s not part of their own hive. Almost an… ideal, of what isn’t ideal, if you understand me. He could be very dangerous to what we’re trying to do! But, Polokoa and Rokolo are both civilized neumono. Er, half, anyway, and the other half, um, close enough. What I mean is, that part of their minds should be well contained. Probably.”

>“My Rokoa became what she is when she was forced to drink his blood,” Hunter Polo continues. “She has a part of his essence in her. If you came close to him, having a piece of her would help mask your presence from his senses. However, I see no reason why you would want to get anywhere near him. The fang is worse than useless, so again, just get rid of it.”
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No. 665824 ID: 57a3c2
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>”Wait, so his blood is what turns neumono into vampires?” Sevener asks.

>”Curse-Queens,” Polo finally corrects. “Or Kings. If they were already a Queen or King, or had strong potential for it. Common neumono are turned into wendigos.”

>”But wendigos are real,” Palison comments. “Or they were. I mean, they weren't magic, they were a natural evolved species. And how do you drink the blood if the cave King’s been dead for tens of thousands of years?

>”He was killed,” the hunter responds, shortly. “But he wasn’t able to die. As for wendigos, perhaps they’re different where you come from. In my world, a neumono drinks the blood and gains monstrous strength, but becomes possessed by its owner’s dying desire to reconcile and reunify the neumono species. It is twisted, so that they seek to reunite us by devouring our bodies, and taking our spirits into their own flesh. Curse-Queens and Curse-Kings preserve more of themselves, but also have the hunger and become brutal conquerers, enslaving rogues and leading wars against those who have hives. They all have terrible powers and perpetrate equally terrible horrors.”

>”So Rokoa has more powers than just the ice?” Sevener asks.

>”Yes, she has a range of such, and various strengths and weaknesses, but I thought you didn’t want the full lecture? Time is pressing. She is imprisoned and you are going to throw her fang away, so it isn’t important.” Polo replies. “The only possible reason to keep it is for something you shouldn’t be doing in the first place.”

Rokolo’s crew are starting to detect the subtle signs of Polo-annoyance. Perhaps a change of subject would be best.

>Is her pendant significant?

This question doesn’t seem to improve Polo’s mood.

>”It’s the symbol of my ultrahive,” she explains. “And of the sun, representing a desire for her approval, through not killing each other. Where I’m from, hives join together into collectives for mutual protection against magical threats. Like Curse-Queens.”

uh
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No. 665825 ID: 57a3c2
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>She's helped us with information. But if we open her cell, is the hunter willing to help us help our friends with the monsters of their minds?

This seems to mollify her, or at least make her more thoughtful.

>”… I’m willing,” the monster hunter answers. “The question is whether you trust me, and equally important, whether you want to risk antagonizing Rokolo. Her mind fragments aren’t likely to respond well if they see me loose and with you.”

Since the plan is to go see the Witch, it seems like that would be a problem. There is still the option of leaving the search through Rokolo’s mind for now, and looking into Polokoa’s, or to the common parts of the two sisters. However, the Witch sounds like she could have a lot of advice. The question of whether to release the Monster Hunter also raises the question of what to do with Rokoa’s fang: if the CAIs are going to throw it away, it’s not an issue, but if they want to keep it, a hunter-Polo who’s been freed will probably object.

What should be done?
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No. 665837 ID: e114bc

>>665825
I feel it is best to A) not antagonize other fragments and B) keep our conversations with other fragments isolated so we don't have to keep one consistent story/explanation to convince them. If we start talking to another fragment in the presence of hunter-polo, and we say something she doesn't like, then suddenly we may have to deal with two fragments that have issues trusting us.

So don't bring her along, she is not 100% behind us on what we're truly trying to do, I don't think.

Ditching the fang depends on what Rokolo's personal interpretation of the myth is. Did she consider him to be a good person, or not? The scholarly telling of the myth makes him out to be a tragic figure, indirectly responsible for the splitting up of the first hive, and he gave his life to try to stop it. That kind of figure would resonate with Polokoa, but I'm not sure what Rokolo would think about the myth. Does Rokolo's CAI know enough about Rokolo's stance on that myth for us to tell if he's someone we want to avoid?

...my personal take on it is that Rokolo blames herself for what happened to her timeline; the death of her hive and Rokoa/Rokoa's hive too. That powerful guilt could manifest easily as the violet son. In that case we would have to confront him in the end, to get Rokolo's full cooperation. We need the fang.
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No. 665847 ID: 57dfcc

>explaining non-magical wendigo
If the Hunter has been watching and occasionally advising Rokolo, shouldn't she already be aware of Igor?

>whether you want to risk antagonizing Rokolo. Her mind fragments aren’t likely to respond well if they see me loose and with you.
Most the fragments here are imprisoned, by design. That means just about anyone we convince to help us directly will incur ire. We can't afford to reject would-be allies on this basis alone, unless we plan to start by recruiting those at the very top of the food chain here, who operate outside of cells. Frankly, I don't see that happening. We need to build up in power and understanding to approach the stronger incarnations. And even if we do recruit from the top, I doubt all of them see eye to eye. Aspects butting heads is inevitable.

(With two CAIs worth of people at our disposal, it's possible we might be able to split the group and hide controversial recruits from diplomatic meetings at some kind of base, but the way this mindscape works, I kind of doubt we can have a group that won't attract attention).

>the violet son
I think both Therapist and the Hunter are underestimating him. (The Hunter because she wants the Vampire to be wrong, and Therapist because she didn't think it through enough).

If he's the archetype for 'not belonging' or 'other', he's going to be stronger than your standard civilized neumono in Rokolo and Polokoa. Neither of them is fully comfortable with themselves, and neither truly fits into any kind of hive anymore. Even if it's complicated, and they have made places for themselves, that idea will have power.

Also, central to both versions of the myth of the son's children we've been given is guilt. The violet son felt regret over what he had done, and/or the harm he had not intended to cause. That will resonate with Rokolo; guilt is central to what's driving her current plan. Unlike Polokoa, Rokolo made a choice to become what she is, so she feels more responsible for what went wrong. And there was a great deal that did go wrong on her end.

Plus, since R-Polo killed R-Rokoa, there's reinforcement for the fratricide part of the myth too. (If we consider the Polo / Rokoa halves of her personality to be siblings of a kind, now).

It really might be worth confronting, learning about and/or recruiting big common neumno archetypes in Polokoa's head first, if we expect them to be stronger in Rokolo's due to her emotional state, or a connection to the external force.

>It’s the symbol of my ultrahive,” she explains. “And of the sun, representing a desire for her approval, through not killing each other. Where I’m from, hives join together into collectives for mutual protection against magical threats.
If that's a belief that's important to her, it might be relevant that that's exactly what we were trying to do. Unite Polokoa and Rokolo against a bigger threat instead of fighting.

>should we release the hunter
>do we trust her
I think this depends on unanswered questions.

The first would be what's keeping the un-assimilated personalities distinct. If it's just the CAI partitioning them off as the arrive in an attempt to preserve Rokolo's personality while gaining access to new information / perspective, is the cage the partition? Will she start to fade away, blend into the gestalt, once she's free?

The aspects we know of outside the cells all seem to have a role to play. Innate or addon, they represent some part of Rokolo. They're part of the system (the Warden is repression or control, The Witch is learning or observation or something along those lines, The violet son is the archetype for not belonging / rogue / other / guilt). Does the Hunter herself now represent a part of Rokoa, or is she locked up because she doesn't. Remember- knowing what the aspects stand for is the best way to appeal to them, or understand how they will act. We're not even sure she does stand for something. (Unfortunately, I'm not sure how we find out, short of asking her. It's possible the R-CAI people might know if the prisoners aren't integrated to the same extent).

I think we can trust her to be forthright with us- if she disagrees or opposes us, she'll tell us before betraying us.

In the dark, and on balance, my instinct is to release her. She's good at metaphor and symbolism, and she's a possible counter to an actor we didn't expect to be here at all (the outside force). I'm not sure we can afford to have no defense against a big unknown like that. The risks are a diplomatic penalty (which I feel like we're equipped to overcome), or possibly allowing her to integrate (which would be unfortunate, but I'd rather chance that with one of the less crazy voices).

>The fang
I'm tempted to place it in the Hunter's cell. Whether or not she comes with us, it's a secure location we might be able to find again, should we decide we have reason to tread neat the violet son. And if it's imprisoned in a cell, a part of her spirit isn't 'free' to give her power or an escape. Simply discarding it, or throwing it, is foolish. Since then we sacrifice any chance of using it, and more importantly, we don't know where it will end up. Also, there's a sort of symbolic appropriateness in the Hunter keeping the Vampire at bay or in check, and symbols matter here.
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No. 665886 ID: cee89f

>>665824
Darrnit, Jukashi -_- now I want to actually see a quest set in this universe, because that is too awesome.

>>665825
.... Hm.

We're trying to get the Rokolo and Polokoa bits to unite and work together iirc, so antagonizing either isn't acceptable.

How well can you hide?
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No. 665935 ID: a107fd

We're not trying to make Rokolo happy, we're trying to extract cooperation. Freeing monster hunter!Polo escalates the confrontation, but I don't think it actually hurts our overall chance of success. How much of Rokolo's aggregate stubbornness actually comes from inner gridlock? Maybe she won't change her mind for fear of freeing prisoners in the shakeup, and disrupting that stability will open up a real consideration of the options.

Also, the Witch would know as much about magic as anyone, possibly including how to use it against us. I'd rather have access to real-time advice on how to counter that, and thus negotiate from a position of strength, than put all my trust in quick wits and good intentions for a meeting with somebody who eats brains for a living.

So, free the monster hunter.
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No. 670427 ID: fab82d
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On reflection, it seems there might be some questions unanswered about these decisions! The CAIs decide to think it over for a moment more.

>If the Hunter has been watching and occasionally advising Rokolo, shouldn't she already be aware of Igor?

If she had been watching, yes. But, Ralison points out, she and the other alternate-timeline remnants are usually dormant, so that’s not actually the case. What knowledge the Hunter has from Rokolo is due to being part of her mind now, but that doesn’t mean she has all of it. Organic memories are terribly messy, as we are all far too aware, and are tied up in chaotic webs of instinctive emotional and sensual association, rather than rational, logic-based systems. Rokolo’s knowledge about magic is bundled up with Hunter-Polo and her Rokoa, because they’re who she got them from and thoughts of one evoke the other. Rokolo’s knowledge of wendigos would be wrapped up with her feelings about wendigos (or about a wendigo), and kept in another bundle of associations in a different part of her mind.

Carbon-based lifeforms, amiright? Can’t live with ‘em, can’t convince ‘em that the airlock just happened to malfunction when a major campaigner for stricter AI limitations was inside it.

>Most the fragments here are imprisoned, by design.
>what's keeping the un-assimilated personalities distinct. […] Will she start to fade away, blend into the gestalt, once she's free?

Chief opens up a private line of communication to point out that most of the fragments they’ve met so far have been imprisoned. Specifically, all the ones that represent the remnants of alternate Polos and Rokoas. They’ve only met two fragments who seem free to move on their own, Therapist and the Warden, but those two are also the only two “native” fragments they’ve met.

Neither Chief nor Ralison can remember the exact individual process by which each alternate was absorbed, but they do remember that, normally, such absorptions left no personality traces behind. Most alternates of Polo and Rokoa had strong minds, of course, and Rokolo would have had trouble absorbing them on her own, but in most cases her CAI was able to separate out what specific knowledge Rokolo wanted from them, and render the remainder weak enough to be overtaken cleanly. Problems only occurred when there was something in who she was absorbing that was too dangerous, or undesirable, or incompatible somehow; something that rejected or was rejected by her, but which was also tied closely to what it was she wanted out of them. In that case, she would either have to lose out on what she wanted, or risk taking in something that would be harmful to her. The solution, then, was to create a partition that would keep that objectionable aspect walled off, while still leaving it accessible enough to benefit from. Why exactly each one was locked off could be different in every instance, though; and the CAI didn’t make the call, only responded to incompatibilities as they arose between Rokolo and the new material. As such, they don’t know exactly what specific reasons were behind these rejections. Fear, contempt, revulsion, et cetera are all possibilities. In vampire-Rokoa’s case, for example, they can make a pretty firm guess that Rokolo would have not wanted the whole cannibalistic hunger thing to become part of her. Of course, a little of that did leak out, but imagine then how bad it could have been.

So, the partitioning is imperfect. It would have to be! There is only a very small amount of ‘pure’ brain matter left from each of them, far too little to really support independent consciousness. The fragments that we’ve been talking to here are still mostly ‘powered’ by Rokolo’s own mind, persuaded to give them life as part of the dream program’s representation (or, otherwise, as hallucinations). So it is also entirely possible that they’ve become entangled with Rokolo’s mind and represent aspects of her personality, in addition to representing whatever’s left of their… donor.

As the ‘prisons’ did initially keep these mind fragments from being absorbed beyond a certain point, they likely would eventually start to blend with Rokolo again, if left to themselves once freed. However, in this dream program, that blending would likely be represented by something that the CAIs could interfere with. Perhaps Rokolo’s native mind fragments would try to kill them and eat them, or the other way around. That’s unlikely (except in the case of the vampire, of course), but still, they won’t just start enigmatically disappearing for no visible reason. So the question then is just whether the CAIs trust themselves to be able to handle such things, as their entourage of mind fragments goes on growing.

>I think both Therapist and the Hunter are underestimating [the violet son]

It’s certainly a possibility! Hopefully, other mind fragments will know better, if there is better to know.

>It really might be worth confronting, learning about and/or recruiting big common neumno archetypes in Polokoa's head first, if we expect them to be stronger in Rokolo's due to her emotional state

From how Therapist spoke earlier, the CAIs were under the impression that those common elements between Polokoa and Rokolo might be merged together, where they’re similar. In other words, both Polokoa and Rokolo’s versions of the Sun’s lost son would be combined into a single representation, here. Connecting their neurosuits has connected their minds, which is why Therapist has been able to follow along to meet parts of Rokolo’s consciousness. Even assuming that, though, there may well be advantages or disadvantages to which path the CAIs use when they try to visit those shared parts of their psyches.

>place [the fang] in the Hunter's cell.

>”That’s a good idea,” Arbiter says. “But it would mean we would have to return here if we wanted to retrieve it.
>”Shouldn’t be hard,” Sevener responds. “Though it might take time, depending on where we’ve gone since.

>How well can you hide?

>”Stealth is one of my best skills,” the Hunter replies, “At least, it was before I became part of Rokolo. I’m not sure how well that translates into being able to hide here, however, aside the most basic principles. No wasted action, not leaving evidence behind, and other things that should be obvious. My silence should help me avoid notice, though I’m not sure how much.”

The decision should be clearer, now. Leave the fang, or take it? Leave the Monster Hunter, or take her?
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No. 670433 ID: 149da0

>they won’t just start enigmatically disappearing for no visible reason. So the question then is just whether the CAIs trust themselves to be able to handle such things, as their entourage of mind fragments goes on growing
I think that kind of thing is exactly what our CAIs should be good at.

(And as the entourage grows, we can bring in more passive CAI people just to herd and observe the crowd, and keep them engaged. And bring problems to the leaders' attention when it looks like it's developing).

>The decision should be clearer, now. Leave the fang, or take it? Leave the Monster Hunter, or take her?
Okay, with the partition / distinctiveness clarification, that relieves one of my possible concerns with letting her out.

I still say we take the Hunter with us, and store the fang in the cell, where anything Vampire-Rokoa is trying will be contained, but we can double back for it if we really need to.
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No. 670462 ID: 0f1c4d

>>670433
That is a good point about how accumulating and managing a group of followers who may or may not have somewhat differing goals is what CAIs are made to do. Lets take Hunter with us, leave the fang, than take a trip to Polokoa territory.
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No. 671507 ID: a80d60
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>free the monster hunter
>take the Hunter with us, and store the fang in the cell,
>take Hunter with us, leave the fang

Polo doesn’t look like she’s entirely approving of the possibility that the fang could be retrieved, but she appears to accept the logic of locking it away rather than just tossing it wherever. She accepts the CAIs’ plan.

The Monster Hunter has joined the party!

Palison questions why she ‘joined the party’ when Therapist was ‘recruited’. Ralison says it seems like a better fit to the vaguely post-iron-age fantasy-horror adventure milieu. Sevener glowers disapprovingly at the both of them. Ignoring this exchange, the Hunter swiftly gathers up her equipment and puts it on. Once her shackles are removed and her prison door unbarred, she moves only a short distance along the passage to press what seems to be a hidden switch in the wall.
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No. 671508 ID: a80d60
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>”This is the way to the Witch’s hidden laboratory,” the Hunter explains, as a secret passage is revealed. “Now you know that it’s here, it’ll remain open. Do you want to go on to her, or will we go somewhere else?”

>”I can call up another of Polokoa’s mind fragments whenever you want,” Therapist reminds everyone. “And I’m pretty sure I know where we can find one of the universal traits, too.”
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No. 671597 ID: 825b5d

How about we get one of the universal traits. The Witch seems like a hard nut to crack and having more traits on our side might help.
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No. 671644 ID: e114bc

Let's go for the universal trait.
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No. 671670 ID: 149da0

>Polo doesn’t look like she’s entirely approving of the possibility that the fang could be retrieved
We respect that. We're just not willing to completely close off options when there's so much we don't know.

>Palison questions why she ‘joined the party’ when Therapist was ‘recruited’
Cause party members can participate in combat. RPG logic.

Therapist is a support NPC.

>secret path
...if this were a real place, I'd complain about the logic of putting a secret corridor right next to a cell where the prisoner can see you using it and learn of it. Obviously doesn't matter in a dreamscape, where this is a literal metaphor of her opening a path for us.

>Polokoa mind fragment, the Witch, or a Universal Archetype
I think the Witch and the Archetypes both qualify as big fish at this point, and I don't think we're quite prepared for either, yet. We've only won 2 fragments over, and one of them was the tutorial freebie. I think we need to work our way up in difficulty a little, and recruit some more first.

(I suppose we could try and shoot for a less changed / dangerous archetype at first, but given Polokoa's and Rokolo's circumstances, a lot of otherwise inoffensive or benign traits could be given a lot more oomph).

I say we go for a Polokoa fragment.
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No. 673904 ID: f5d052
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>How about we get one of the universal traits.
>Let's go for the universal trait.
>I think the Witch and the Archetypes both qualify as big fish at this point, and I don't think we're quite prepared for either, yet.

>”Oh, no!” Therapist reacts. “Not at all! I mean, big fish, yes. And the Witch, I don’t know. But the universal fragment I was thinking of taking you to, I think he’ll actually be pretty easy to convince. I didn’t say anything because you seemed like you knew what you were doing, and we were following a pretty straight line, but this guy should be able to help a lot! I have a pretty close relation to him. Uh…”

She pauses, then steps through the formerly-secret door in order to look out over the… underground forest, apparently?

>”All right, so normally, I would have backtracked us through to my own territory first, but it sounds like the Witch has a lot to do with knowledge and learning and that kind of thing. So, I think I can find a path from here…”
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No. 673905 ID: f5d052
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>”Aha! See? This way.”

After following the road for a while, she does indeed manage to find a section of foliage that can be pushed back to access a new path.
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No. 673906 ID: f5d052
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>”Are you sure you know where you’re going, Therapist?” Sevener asks.
>”Er, yes!” she replies. “I mean, there might be connections to other parts of Rokolo’s mind around here as well, it’s all interwoven, but going this direction will take us where we want to go.”
>”It’s ‘this direction’. Fine. Maybe you’ll tell us which ‘this direction’ it is?
>”Hm?”
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No. 673907 ID: f5d052
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>”Oh. That’s strange.”



>”Well, good thing this sign’s here! It’s right, obviously!”


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No. 673921 ID: e114bc

Ummm... well, follow the sign pointing right, but have sneaky/observant people out in front making sure we aren't walking into a trap.
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No. 673931 ID: a107fd

"Not a trick," seriously? Whenever somebody goes to the trouble of telling you they're not lying, you should probably at least consider the possibility that they're just lying about that last bit, too.

Which specific archetype are we looking for, Therapist?
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No. 673932 ID: 243dc7

Turn the sign around.
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No. 673936 ID: 88960e

>>673907
Never trust the signs in a witch's forest.

Classic shell game: present a false choice. We're meant to assume one trail is correct and pick one. Except there isn't a right choice- the ball is in the con artist's hand, not under any of the cups.

Ignore the sign and trails, push through the brush directly behind the sign.
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No. 673938 ID: 04b86a

I say Sevener and Chief should go left, Ralison and Palison should go right, and everyone else should wait here until they hear screaming.
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No. 673943 ID: 60700b

>>673932
Yes. Let us read the other side of the sign before deciding on a direction.
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No. 673978 ID: cee89f

>>673907
... So on the one hand, the left path is obviously a trap.

On the other, the right is even MORE obviously a trap.

...

Anyone got a coin we can flip?
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No. 674715 ID: e114bc

>>674714
I think that kind of person would be the life of the party. I think we should go to the party... but which direction IS that? It's all confused now. This is like that logic puzzle where you don't know which guard is lying, but we can't even ask any questions. Or... wait, considering the path is a metaphor and so is the sign, it matters more which sign we believe in, not what path we follow.

Go towards the party. "Guy who will solve all your problems" does not correspond to who we're looking for. That's wish-fulfillment/fantasy, not empathy and social acceptance.
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No. 674716 ID: f92791
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>I say Sevener and Chief should go left, Ralison and Palison should go right, and everyone else should wait here until they hear screaming.


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No. 674717 ID: f92791
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>Ignore the sign and trails, push through the brush directly behind the sign.

The brush is too dense to be passable! The CAIs would need to damage the plants to get through, which would presumably represent some sort of destructive effect on Rokolo’s mind. They have created artificial paths in their hosts’ brains before, but it’s a process that needs careful study and experimentation. Which is basically what this mind exploration quest amounts to in the first place.

>Turn the sign around.
>Yes. Let us read the other side of the sign before deciding on a direction.

The soil seems to be a little loose around the signpost’s base. It turns more easily than expected.

Hmm.

>Which specific archetype are we looking for, Therapist?

>”Uh… I can’t think of a simple word for it in this language,” Therapist responds. “The urge to share a bond. To have someone who understands you, and that you can understand the same way. To make a personal connection. To be able to… open up. Your heart. Um, metaphorically. Every neumono has it, it’s really worked in deep down. Sometimes they try to bury it, layer other stuff on top, which might be what’s going on here? But any long-term version of that would be really unhealthy.”
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No. 674720 ID: 04b86a

>>674716
Come on, Sevener, I know I worded that a bit flippantly, but I don't think the plan's that bad.

>>674717
The party route seems like Rokolo's coping mechanism. The only person who feels like a proper hivemate to her is Polokoa, which means she doesn't have anyone to feel that bond with, so she's just going "Woo, party!" and trying to ignore it. The archtype might be at the party, since Rokolo can't really get away from him even when she's trying to, but at the same time the sign's trying to dissuade us from choosing the non-party path, so he might be that way as well. But, once again, she doesn't actually have anyone to connect with (besides Polokoa), so the solve-all-your-problems path will probably have no one there.

2/3 chance of the party path being right, so that gets my vote.
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No. 674722 ID: 149da0

>>674717
Sorry, R-Alison. Nice try, but you're not unlocking the selfcest achievement that easily.

>>674717
I wonder... this is a dream. We're not bound to normal physics. Keep turning the sign, make sure there isn't a third orientation. (It could be a spin 1/2 object instead of spin 1).

Barring more reveals, I want to believe this is the real version (the signs are on the front of the post, instead of behind).

I kind of suspect the party is denial / coping, while the problem solving guy is supposed to be the part that opens up to the hive. You're supposed to be able to count on that bond helping you. In a social creature you're supposed to depend on others. You survive as a hive, die as a rogue.
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No. 675096 ID: 421dad

Witch forest signs are like USB connectors, they exist in some kind of multidimensional space where _one more reversal_ will do the trick.
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No. 675123 ID: a107fd

Oh! New plan. Construct a third arrow that says "Secret Passage to Monster Hunter Polo's cell" and see which way it points when you attach it to the signpost.
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No. 679158 ID: d15163
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>Oh! New plan. Construct a third arrow that says "Secret Passage to Monster Hunter Polo's cell" and see which way it points when you attach it to the signpost.

The CAIs don't have the materials to create a third arrow. Not here with them, anyway.

>Witch forest signs are like USB connectors, they exist in some kind of multidimensional space where _one more reversal_ will do the trick.
>Keep turning the sign, make sure there isn't a third orientation.

A new message is revealed...?

>"Aaaah it was stupid anyway! Uhh new plan, new plan...!"
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No. 679159 ID: d15163
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>"Who the-"

>"Hey, party girl!" shouts a new mind fragment, suddenly revealing herself from behind a bush. "You have visitors!!"

>"Oh!"
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No. 679160 ID: d15163
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In an instant, the right half of the path becomes a steep slope.
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No. 679161 ID: d15163
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More of a cliff, really.
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No. 679162 ID: d15163
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The CAIs find themselves in a new area, with the appearance of an open-air, vaguely tropical/tribal-themed bar or club at the bottom of a large pit. There seem to be several mind fragments present, but they don't seem very active, apart from one.

>"Oops! Ha ha, sorry," the exception calls to them. "But hey! Hi!! Come on, sit down, relax!! Those walls, terrible, right? It takes me aaaaaages to climb out of here, sometimes! And they barely give me any time before they throw me back down and then-"
>"Oh for fuck's sake hey! Up here!!"
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No. 679164 ID: d15163
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>"Oohhh, it was you!" The PARTY GIRL(?) exclaims. "Yoouuu rascal, you, are you playing tricks?"
>"Well, they weren't buying the si- uh, I mean, yeah!" claims the RASCAL(?), from above. "How does it feel to fall prey to my amazing plan, dumbasses!?"
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No. 679167 ID: a107fd

Party girl: you want everybody to be friends and have a good time? We want Polokoa and Rokolo to be friends, or at least not active enemies. Join us.

Rascal: Classic prank, sure. Your mistake was the "not a trick" line. Join us and we'll introduce you to Hok, the only individual we've ever been outfoxed by.
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No. 679169 ID: 5ad4a7

>>679164
Haha, I get it. Two sides of the same coin. The choice didn't matter, because these are BOTH the person we're looking for. PARTY GIRL is the urge to connect, RASCAL is the layer on top. I guess Rokolo's layer involves rebellion and disrespect?

Hmm, I don't think RASCAL is really going to be similar to Polokoa's coping mechanism so we should prioritize speaking to PARTY GIRL. I wonder if Ralison would get along well with her? That said, we should try not to insult RASCAL, so try to say something satisfying? "It literally feels like we fell off a cliff into a pit of despair."
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No. 679173 ID: 211d83

Oh man you got us good. Trapping us in a open bar with a party going on. Truely we are undone now.
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No. 679175 ID: 12b273

>>679161
R-Alison: initiate cuddle-pile procedures. You did come out on top, after all.

>>679164
So the fragments lacking pupils isn't limited to just Therapist, then. There's a significance, there.

>How does it feel to fall prey to my amazing plan, dumbasses!?
A little underwhelming, honestly.

>party girl
So... what's your deal? You represent the part that wants to have a fun time with other people? We'd actually like to work on that. Get Polokoa and Rokolo to play nice with each other, instead of almost coming to blows even inside an exploding space god.

P-Sevener, you might want to take lead with the Party Girl. She might find the most relatable with your look, there.
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No. 679408 ID: cee89f

>>679164
>"How does it feel to fall prey to my amazing plan, dumbasses!?"
... Extremely aroused, for some reason. Huh. I guess we're masochists?
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No. 680401 ID: 8111b6

Flatter the rascal. It seems their ego likes being stroked.

Also, I bet there's someone that'd love to show the party girl a good time, if ya know what I'm sayin'.
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No. 680403 ID: ad936f

>>679408
We just really love traps.
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No. 684452 ID: 7ef93c
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>P-Sevener, you might want to take lead with the Party Girl. She might find the most relatable with your look, there.

Palison intercepts this suggestion before Sevener catches it. She quietly informs Rokolo's CAI that Sevener's tattoos are not fun party decoration tattoos, they are intimidating gangster tattoos for cool tough boss-types. Sevener has, uh, made that very clear, before.

>I bet there's someone that'd love to show the party girl a good time, if ya know what I'm sayin'.
>I wonder if Ralison would get along well with her?

Most likely. Which is why Sevener decides to take the lead anyway.

>Party girl: you want everybody to be friends and have a good time? We want Polokoa and Rokolo to be friends, or at least not active enemi-

>"Yeah, yeah that's great," The Party Girl bursts in, "Everyone should be friends!! But you're not going to be able to get them to be friends when you're all stressed out!"
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>"Look at this frowny face! You need to relax! You all need to relax. Just... enjoy yourselves, and forget everything, for a little while. Just a little while. Or however long you need!"

>"Ugh, don't pay an attention to her," Rascal whines from above. "I'm the one you should be worrying about!"
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Arbiter suggests that, for that, it would be easier if she came down after them.

>"No way, I hate that friggin' pit!" she comments unhelpfully. "I can get out quicker than the rest of the chumps down there, but that doesn't mean I'm ok with hopping back in! Oh, yeah, enjoy being stuck down there. Because of me."

The Rascal seems to think of this party area as another kind of prison! If it is, however, it's not much of one. It does look like it'd be tricky to climb the walls, but it shouldn't be impossible, since it has the appearance of a natural cliff face rather than being crafted as a barrier. That probably means something.

>we should try not to insult RASCAL
>Flatter the rascal. It seems their ego likes being stroked.
>Oh man you got us good. Trapping us in a open bar with a party going on. Truely we are undone now.
>Rascal: Classic prank, sure. Your mistake was the "not a trick" line. Join us and we'll introduce you to Hok, the only individual we've ever been outfoxed by.

>"What, you trying to say he's a match for me?" she responds. "Fuck you guys!"
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Therapist coughs quietly.

>"I'm pretty sure the Rascal is a manifestation of Rokolo's desire for attention," she whispers. "She's not a positive personality trait, but it would make her related to who we're looking for, since it means she's a partial or twisted expression of the urge to connect with others. Just, mixed with something more antagonistic, in a way that's distinctly Rokolo's. She can probably show us to who we're looking for, but, um. I'm not sure it'll be possible to convince her to help us, since she'd want Rokolo to be center stage, and Polokoa is so... Polokoa."

She glances over at the Party Girl.

>"I haven't figured out the other one yet, but I don't think she's a totally healthy part of Rokolo's mind, either."

She hesitates, then lowers her voice a little more, leaning close to the two Alisons.

>"You probably still want to try convince them, but, just so you know: now that you have two mind fragments on your side, that should be enough for you to help us overpower other fragments directly. Don't worry, mind fragments combating each other is only what normally happens within people's psyche, whenever they feel conflicting urges. That's true both for individuals and for hives, so me weighing in on parts of Rokolo's mind isn't too odd either, since Polokoa and Rokolo have a strong connection. You'll just be helping it happen faster and cleaner."

>"As I said, you can still try to talk, but you'll probably have to have us use force at some point later, if not now. This might be a good time to learn how it works. I mean, maybe. You could gather more info, first, or look at the other fragments hanging around this area. But, again, the Rascal seems like she can get impatient... so, it's up to you."
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No. 684458 ID: 5ad4a7

>>684457
I think let's do a quick survey of who else is in the pit, then get out. I've changed my mind now. If Rascal is just an attention-seeking impulse, and the "cliff" isn't a barrier, then Party Girl's pit is just that. A pit to fall in. Drinking to forget. Dealing with your problems by forgetting them, and wallowing in hedonism.

Rascal refuses to enter the pit because Rascal can't get attention while she's shutting herself off from the outside world. Once we get out, then we can probably force Rascal. She was in charge of the sign, after all.
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No. 684486 ID: 211d83

We can tell Rascal that if she wants to come with us and have fun adventures she can join our group.

If not she is free to stay here with Party.
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No. 684544 ID: b37f1c

>>684452
Is that a skull in the corner there?

>it has the appearance of a natural cliff face rather than being crafted as a barrier. That probably means something.
Easy to get into, hard to get out of but not impossible
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No. 684573 ID: a107fd

>>684544
>Is that a skull in the corner there?

Yes. "Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we will die." Rascal is the desire for validation through the attention of others, and Party Girl is softcore suicide, the desire for escape from obligation through overwhelming indulgence.

Other fragments around the bar might have something to offer us, if we can give them hope that the obligations which drove them here are no longer crushingly impossible, but Party Girl is our enemy. I suggest chasing her off with buzzkill comments about the horrors of war.
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No. 684756 ID: 86cfc3

I haven't seen the Hunter since we fell. Did she evade the trap and hide?

...it would be really funny if she just pushed the Rascal over the edge. (And it would either contain her while we checked out the others, or allow us to solve this by combat all the quicker).

>>684452
>skull
Well that does reinforce the idea that this party is some kind of trap, even if it seems so far to be a sort of subtle and mild one, and not a serious threat to us.

>It does look like it'd be tricky to climb the walls, but it shouldn't be impossible, since it has the appearance of a natural cliff face rather than being crafted as a barrier. That probably means something.
...can, can we play snakes and ladders. With actual snakes. C'mon, it's supposed to be a morality game, it's perfect.
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No. 686529 ID: cee89f

>>684756
I thought Snakes and Ladders was a game about fate and learning to accept it?
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>I think let's do a quick survey of who else is in the pit
>Other fragments around the bar might have something to offer us

Chief heads over to the fragment at the bar, and...

>"Go away," the Polo-like fragment growls. "I'm tired. I'm... just too tired."

... decides this isn't likely to accomplish much.
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Arbiter, meanwhile, heads over to a table where two fragments sit together, apparently talking. Oddly, one of them looks like Polokoa? These are all supposed to be part of Rokolo's mind.

>"... getting educated, too, with their own little system," the one closest to him mutters, continuing a discussion. "I mean, if they had been uplifted normally, that wouldn't have gone so well. So, tallying all that together, it... isn't so bad?"
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The Polokoa-looking fragment bangs her fist on the table.

>"We literally kidnapped a hive of pygmies and enslaved them," she snarls. "You can't just add up pros and cons and say you've paid them off for it. Some of them we actually carried off in a sack!!"
>"I know!" the other replies, with an almost pleading tone of voice. "I know. You've... made your point, already. But, I mean, they'd all be dead if they'd stayed in their dimension, and..."
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>"They need justice!" Polokoa(?) interrupts. "Retribution! Something that says "regret", not "stop complaining!" That's the only way to actually finish the whole thing."
>"I knoooooow," her companion whines. "But we can't. Not anything that would work. It would get in the way of fixing everything else! There's just... aaugh, there's so much that has to get settled..."
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>"Hey, hey, don't stress out!" the Party Girl exclaims, suddenly appearing to present drinks. "We have time, we have time travel! That's infinite time, and time is money and money is resources and we can do anything! Eventually! So just relax, take it easy, we'll get to it one day."
>"I don't think that-"
>"Not thinking is exactly what you should be doing! Or not doing, or hey do you know where Rikali went? It's not a party if we don't have enough people down here. Her and-"
>"We don't care what they're doing!" The Polokoa-like fragment interrupts.
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>"Oh man I'm a bad host, you're dry, too!" the Part Girl remarks.
>"They're both harmless, and meanwhile we have to- glrrg!"
>"Here, let me help you with that. And when we get home we'll go hunt some real scumbags and give them what they deserve, that'll cheer you up, huh? Until then you just sit here and think back on those guys we found two months ago, remember them? With the teen rogues and the predator? I know you loved what we did to them, let that tide you over until we can do it again. And drink up!"

>Party Girl's pit is just that. A pit to fall in. Drinking to forget. Dealing with your problems by forgetting them, and wallowing in hedonism
>Party Girl is softcore suicide, the desire for escape from obligation through overwhelming indulgence.

... It looks like it.
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>We can tell Rascal that if she wants to come with us and have fun adventures she can join our group.

She scoffs, though a little hesitantly.

>"... Pfah! Do you think I need you guys to have fun with? There's tons of people for me to mess with!... In fact, I'm just about to leave you here, and go check on my-"
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>"Huh?"
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>I haven't seen the Hunter since we fell. Did she evade the trap and hide?

No and yes.

>"Aagh!!"
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>"Who- You! They let you out!? Why??"
>"Because, like them," the Hunter answers, "I intend to do what is best for everyone, including Rokolo; even if parts of her mind like you insist on getting in the way."
>"... You think I'm getting in the way? Alright, sure."
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>"But do you really think you're not going to cause problems, either?"

Suddenly, the CAIs hear a distant, familiar voice, shouting in anger.

>"What the fuck is this!? Where is she!?!?"

The Warden.

>"Ha ha! Sounds like someone knows something's up! She's going to be searching, now. Hey... it'd be a shame if she had to wander around without any direction, don't you think? She's pretty far away, but if we can hear her shouting... I bet she could hear someone do the same...!"
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>"Oh no, Alison!" Therapist exclaims. "Er, Alisons! There's no more time, we have to stop her!"
>"I've got it!" Palison responds. "Conflict zones located - mapped - target set!!"

The Rascal takes a deep breath...
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>"Locked!! Resolution Response Program, begin treatment!!"
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>"W... what the hell!?" Rascal complains, finding herself suddenly interrupted. "What is this?"

>"Here, Ralison," Palison says, "Take a copy of the interface. Since you're another me, it should accept you right away, and with both of our systems processing it, it should give us two interaction shots each cycle."
>"It... should?" the other Alison repeats, questioning.
>"Oh, right. I need to explain! Well, that's ok. Talking's a free action, or between us it is, anyway. We're limited in how often and how fast we can manipulate-"
>"Naga," Sevener warns.
>"Right, right!"
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Palison begins to explain the NEURAL CONFLICT RESOLUTION RESPONSE PROGRAM.

>"This program is essentially another stage of the dream vision therapy program we've been using until now. It's kind of a prototype, but we have used it before! While the other is more of an observation and basic interaction tool, this version is designed to safely regulate potentially dangerous inner conflicts as they occur. As such, it locks certain restrictions in place around the parts of the host mind that are in contention, and allows us to indirectly manipulate the outcome by offering assistance to those parts that are on our side - the side of a healthy psyche, of course! Now, the long-term effects of such regulated conflicts are minor in themselves, since the "defeated" portion of the mind isn't gotten rid of so easily, just exhausted until it becomes more dormant. But the temporary effects can be quite strong, and open the way for breakthroughs to be made. In this case, we can stop the Rascal from alerting the Warden to our location, and force her to show the path to the next mind fragment we want to talk to!"

>"So, resolution takes place on the ACTIVITY FIELD. As you can see, each side has two rows of five positions for processing a mind fragment's activities through the program. Each fragment has rankings for their PRIORITY and their PERSISTENCE. The first measures how much they're capable of suppressing other aspects of our neumonos' minds, while the second measures how much emotional energy they have to resist being suppressed with!"

>"You can just call them DAMAGE and HEALTH," Arbiter comments.

>"Well, if you want to," Palison replies. "Whatever you call them, those two statistics come into play when one mind fragment ATTACKS another, which they can normally only do to enemy fragments positioned across from or diagonal to them, or in that arc. When that happens, each of the two fragments subtracts the other's PRIORITY/DAMAGE ranking from their remaining PERSISTENCE/HEALTH. If one or both of them loses it all, then they're DEFEATED and go DORMANT, and are removed from the field, unable to return unless they get restored somehow. The point of the whole exercise is to defeat all the opposing mind fragments without losing all of your own! That's simple enough, right? But be aware, most mind fragments need a clear line to attack along. They can't attack an enemy if there's another mind fragment in the way. In addition, a fragment in the front row can spend their action to DEFEND for a turn, protecting all friendly fragments in the rear row directly or diagonally behind them from attack. Now, here's where it gets a bit more complicated. Mind fragments can also have special qualities! These ABILITIES can do all sorts of things. PASSIVE ABILITIES are in effect all the time, or activate under certain conditions or events. ACTIVATED ABILITIES have to be activated, obviously! Some activated abilities are ATTACK-LIKE ABILITIES and are blocked by line of sight and defense, and some others are TARGET ABILITIES and can bypass those limitations. Polo, what abilities do you have?"

>"I... this is very strange," the Monster Hunter answers. "I think I have a PASSIVE: SILENCE ability that means I can't be specifically targeted by enemy attacks and abilities. I also have an ACTIVATED: SNIPER ability targeting myself, preventing me from taking damage when I attack for one turn. But... I feel like I have others, and I can't tell what they are."

>"That's ok! You're not used to the restrictions the program has put you under, yet, so you're having trouble telling what you can and can't do. Most of the mind fragments we meet are going to have the same problem! Just try to pay attention to what's going on, and you'll hopefully notice your hidden abilities when an opportunity to use them appears. Or if something just inspires you! The program can't cleanly regiment everything. In fact, apart from a few exceptions, we can't directly control the mind fragments to begin with, even if they're our allies. At the end of each side's turn, the mind fragments on that side all decide their own ACTION for that turn. They can move, attack, activate an ability, choose to defend if they're in the front row, and maybe more! But most of them can only do one of those things a turn. For example, they can't move and attack, or activate an ability and attack. A set of two turns, one for each side, represents a CYCLE, which is also our limit for how often we get our INTERACTIONS."

>"Ugh. Why do we have to take turns, again?" Sevener grouses.

>"As I was about to say earlier, there's a limit to how often we can directly interact with our hosts' neural material," Palison answers. "A neumono's physiology has a natural rhythm dictated by their Empathic Pulse, or just em-pulse. It uses the same basic system as what we'd normally call their empathy, but on a lower level of the spectrum, deeper down and comparatively very simple, and it doesn't even extend past their own body. You can think of it as a kind of metronome, ticking away to keep their various organs operating in time with each other regardless of whether their regeneration has shifted things around. If we tried to force our tinkering more quickly than the em-pulse can allow for, it would seriously mess things up! Different parts of their brains and nervous system would start to disassociate with each other and drive them insane, their heartbeats would begin to desynchronize and cause horrible blood pressure anomalies, and their usual empathy-"

>"Ok, ok, I get it!" Sevener interrupts, sighing. "Go to a college if you want to give a lecture."

>"You asked! Anyway, that's why, with two CAIs, we get two shots at direct interaction per cycle. To make it easy to understand, imagine we have two INTERACTION POINTS, which we can spend to do things! One point can be spent to put a friendly mind fragment onto the field, to take one off the field, to move them to a different position on the field, or to activate an ability and play its effect out. We can't use it to enable an extra attack, though. A mind fragment has to do that with their own action! And as I said, we can't control who they attack. But, since they're on our side, they'll probably listen to our suggestions. We can't control the opposing side at all, obviously! Because of the way they get linked together by the program, they can get one shared action between them in addition to their own individual ones, if they're clever enough."

>"So, in summary, the program's process goes down like this: First, we spend our INTERACTION POINTS, one after another. If we activate a mind fragment character's ABILITY, its resolution plays out then, if applicable. Then each mind fragment gets their own INDIVIDUAL ACTION, starting with the top of the front row, then down, then the top of the back row and down. Then the opposing side gets their turn, beginning by spending their GROUP ACTION POINT and going on the same way our side does. Then that's one CYCLE and we start again! We have to defeat all the opposing mind fragments and force them into dormancy to win. If all of ours get defeated, we lose!"

>"Any questions?"
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No. 718081 ID: 5ad4a7

>>718076
Yeah, what happens if one of our fragments gets forced into dormancy? Can we wake them up after the battle?
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No. 718132 ID: a107fd

Psychonaut pokemon battles, got it.

Can Hunter, in the front row, nearly invulnerable due to silence and sniper-ness, use defensive actions to make three spots in our back row a perfect fortress? If so, let's do that.
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No. 718161 ID: c8d677

>>718132
Optimally, if we can do this we'll want to have Hunter where she is, and another near-invulnerable fragment in the slot below D in the diagram to make a perfectly invulnerable back row, and thereafter put the heavy hitters in the slots diagonal to both tanks, having a perfect defense and 4 DP with almost no line of sight restrictions.
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No. 718200 ID: a075ba

It's time to d-d-d-d-duuuuuuuel! *theme music plays*

>what do
One Alison should spend her interaction points to activate the Monster Hunter's ACTIVATED: SNIPER ability. The other Alison should spend her interaction points to summon Therapist (assuming we can).

The Monster Hunter and Therapist should then spend their individual actions attacking.

>questions
What's the blue 3 next to therapist? I'd assume the 12/12 is her PD and PH (wow she's got good stats, but I guess Polokoa's mind basically created her for this purpose so that makes sense). Do we need to save up action points to summon her? (We don't have to sacrifice cards allied mind fragments, do we?). Or is that some kind of cooldown counter?

>>718076
Per the image, rear row character can target 4 tiles. 2 of which are directly in front of them. What decides the other 2? Is it always going to be the row 1 down? (So rear row 1 can attack rows 1 and 2, rear row 2 can attack rows 2 and 3, etc). If so, that means anyone standing in the rear in the lowest row can only target 2 tiles.

Or is it just that in the image, A is blocking B's line of fire, and B would otherwise be able to target 6 tiles?

Are there non-fragment entities or effects a player can spend interaction effects on? (Spells, trap cards, land, items, leader powers, etc).

If you have no monsters fragments on the field, can the player / the Alisons be targeted for attack by hostile fragments? (Or if your only fragment has a passive that means she doesn't block?).


>derp derp
This is probably just the tutorial fight. I expect next we'll have to deal with Party Girl, who will use the drunk patrons as minions / party members / duel monsters.

...we probably shouldn't mention to the Monster Hunter that she's currently acting as a monster per the game's terminology. It would just annoy her.
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No. 718204 ID: a075ba

>>718200
Oh, wait, Line of Sight is covered in the post. Ignore the that line of questioning.
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>Yeah, what happens if one of our fragments gets forced into dormancy? Can we wake them up after the battle?

>"After the conflict is resolved, all the mind fragments who took part will wake up and start to regain their persistence. Er, health. So long as we win, of course! When we have all the opposing mind fragments defeated, we can kinda lock them down for a while - not forever, but much longer than should matter for our purposes, at least. I'm... not sure what happens if our side gets defeated. We'll probably still be able to do something, but it won't be a situation we want to be in. So long as we win the conflicts, we'll just want to not keeping jumping into more right away."

>Can Hunter, in the front row, nearly invulnerable due to silence and sniper-ness, use defensive actions to make three spots in our back row a perfect fortress?

>"That... seems like it'd be a really powerful strategy, all right!" Palison admits. "But, I'm not sure it would work that way. Let me just run a little simulation, here... ah, yeah, no. Sorry. Technically, when one fragment blocks or defends another, what happens is that there's a sort of line drawn between the initiating fragment and their intended target. Their attack, or attack-like ability, checks whether there's anything in the way and then also targets them. It resolves in order of who is closest, so the target in front gets hit first. Since most attacks and attack-like abilities can only do their damage or effect once, then that means the original target in behind doesn't suffer those effects, since the momentum was already spent on the character in front of them. Uh... hm. Does that mean attacks that hit multiple targets in a line can exist? Or, if an attack defeats someone with more damage than necessary, it spills over to the next target?... Sorry, like I said, this is kind of a beta build. Anyway, since Monster Hunter Polo can't be targeted, the attack basically skips over her. She can't block or defend while her passive is in effect."

>"Can she turn it off?" Ralison asks.

>"It'd make sense if she can, so I think so. Yes. She'd need an action spent to turn it back on again. I'm not sure if that applies to all passive abilities, though."

>What's the blue 3 next to therapist? I'd assume the 12/12 is her PD and PH [...] Do we need to save up action points to summon her?

>"Oh, no. The 3 is her pr... damage. 12 is her health. You only need to spend one point to put a mind fragment into the field or remove them, the same as for just moving them around the field. Entering and leaving are basically just another kind of movement, just to a special reserve position with different rules. On that note, when a fragment enters, you can specify what position they appear in."

>Are there non-fragment entities or effects a player can spend interaction effects on? (Spells, trap cards, land, items, leader powers, etc).

>"Unless someone messes around with the program, there shouldn't be! I say shouldn't, since we met a magical vampire a little while ago. I don't want to rule anything out."

>If you have no monsters fragments on the field, can the player / the Alisons be targeted for attack by hostile fragments?

>"We can't be targeted, no! The system represents the balance of emotional impulses in our hosts' minds, which we're connected to and can interact with, but aren't technically part of. Even if it was possible, it wouldn't achieve anything. If we have no mind fragments on the field, we have to spend one of our next interaction points to put someone out or we lose."

>One Alison should spend her interaction points to activate the Monster Hunter's ACTIVATED: SNIPER ability. The other Alison should spend her interaction points to summon Therapist (assuming we can). The Monster Hunter and Therapist should then spend their individual actions attacking.

>"Ok! That sounds- oh, wait. Therapist! Do you have any abilities?"

>"Yes!" she answers. "I have an ACTIVATED: REASSURANCE ability that heals a target for 4 health."

>"Ok, good. That probably doesn't change anything for this first turn. Do you still want to go with the same plan?"
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Oh, I forgot to ask, how does a combat action resolve when one fragment is defending? I'm guessing it's something like if A attacks B, and B is defending, A takes no damage and B takes less damage than A's attack.

>Hunter Polo can't use defend to cover others with her passive active
Does that mean she wouldn't block line of sight for attack targeting either?

>Do you still want to go with the same plan?
Yes.

The Rascal should take 11 damage, and Therapist 3, which should end the battle. Since turns resolve in sequence and not simultaneously, The Rascal won't have the chance to choose to defend or activate an ability in an attempt to mitigate this. (Unless attacks don't resolve until the end of the CYCLE and not the end of the TURN?).

The Rascal may survive if she has a passive or special ability that she can activate while being attacked, but there's only the hard way to learn that. (Well, until we find a Scanner).
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No. 718240 ID: 5ad4a7

>>718226
This seems good.
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No. 718325 ID: 59a537

That works.
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>Yes.
>This seems good.
>That works.

>"Ok. Where will we put Therapist on our side of the field?"

>Oh, I forgot to ask, how does a combat action resolve when one fragment is defending?

>"The same way as if the defending fragment had been the original target! It doesn't change damage done to anyone on either side of the exchange. The difference between blocking and defending is, when one fragment is blocking for another, the opponent could change position and then attack from a different angle. When a fragment defends for another, they intercept attacks against them from whatever angle. In fact, they don't actually need to defend everyone in all three spaces behind them, that's just who they can choose to be defending. The defense action is basically a declaration by one fragment that they're a bodyguard who's going to jump in front of bullets for another, it doesn't mean they're protecting themselves any more than usual."
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No. 718370 ID: 3d2d5f

>where put Therapist
She can only target the Rascal from front 1, rear 1, rear 2, front 3 and rear 3.

If we assume The Hunter blocks allied line of sight (not sure if her passive would prevent that?) Therapist can't attack from any of those rear tiles.

So she has to go to the front. Let's pick front 3, which gives her more range of motion if the battle doesn't actually end in a single turn.
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No. 718371 ID: 5ad4a7

Front 3 is fine, yeah.
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>She can only target the Rascal from front 1, rear 1, rear 2, front 3 and rear 3.

>"Front 4 and rear 4 and 5 would work as well, actually," Palison explains. "I know it looks like there should be a distance limit on attacks, but there isn't. They just have to be within the arc of the diagonals and not blocked or defended."

>Front 3

ALLY TURN

Ralison spends her interaction to place Therapist in the middle of the front row. Palison spends hers to activate the Monster Hunter's SNIPER ability, and advises that they both attack.

- The Monster Hunter attacks Rascal, dealing 8 damage! Thanks to her ability, she takes no damage in return.
- Rascal's PASSIVE: ATTENTION SEEKER reacts! She heals for 4!
- Therapist's PASSIVE: DIAGNOSIS reacts!

>"Wait, it does?" Therapist asks.

- Rascal's ability is identified! ATTENTION SEEKER causes Rascal to regain 4 health after being specifically targeted by an attack or ability.

>"Oh. Looks like I can identify what exactly enemy abilities do if I see them in effect? Well, uh... if she heals for 4 and I only do 3 damage, then..."

- Therapist decides not to attack.
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ENEMY TURN

The Party Girl places herself onto the field!

>"Hey, what's the problem? This doesn't look like a fun kind of fight. Wouldn't it be better to just kick back with some food, or drink, drugs, company...?"
>"You dumb bitch, you're blocking me!" Rascal complains. "Fuck, I'll take a better position next turn. Why don't you do something useful?"
>"Aww, there's a lot of better things we could be doing than being useful, honey. But I do want to be an accommodating host, I guess..."

- The Party Girl activates an ability, targeting the Rascal.
- Therapist's PASSIVE: DIAGNOSIS reacts!

>"Ah, again?"

- The Party Girl's active ability OFF UNTIL TOMORROW targets a specific ally or enemy. During the next turn, she will nullify the first attack against that ally or from that enemy, depending on her original target. Neither the attacker or their target will take damage and the attacker's action is wasted.

- Rascal's PASSIVE: ATTENTION SEEKER reacts again, putting her back at full health.

- Rascal decides not to attack.

ALLY TURN begins again. What's the plan?
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No. 718687 ID: 5ad4a7

>>718685
Focus fire on the Party Girl. Once she's down, Rascal can't double-heal. Then we'll just have to spend like three turns sniping Rascal down with Hunter.

...you know, since we're defeating Party Girl too, we could force her to release the justice-aligned fragment in here. We could recruit her, maybe? Bringing Rokolo's sense of justice to the forefront seems like it would align with our mission. Also we really need more fragments for battle purposes.

Actually, I wonder if we can recruit the justice-fragment without leaving battle? Can we call for help?
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No. 718689 ID: b412df

Focus on Party Girl, with Rascal's passive she's effectively a healer, and if Rascal defends it won't trigger the heal.
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No. 718690 ID: 38685c

>>718685
Make out with the party girl.
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No. 718693 ID: a075ba

Focusing fire to eliminate the Party Girl first seems like the correct move.

One of the Alisons should activate the Monster Hunter's SNIPER ability, again.

That leaves one Alison with an unused interaction point, but I don't see any value in moving either of our fragments right now, and activating Therapist's healing ability does nothing while everyone is at full health.
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No. 718705 ID: a107fd

>>718693
>one Alison with an unused interaction point
Attempt to summon Rokolo's idea of Polokoa's idea of justice, as seen here:
>>718061
Shouldn't be a hard sell that we're on the same team.
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No. 719229 ID: e98646
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>Attempt to summon Rokolo's idea of Polokoa's idea of justice
>Actually, I wonder if we can recruit the justice-fragment without leaving battle?

>"We have to "officially" recruit them," Palison explains. "That is, get their permission, if we want to integrate them into the response program's system as an ally."
>"I think I can still try talking to her," Arbiter says. "Or her and her... friend? They seem connected to each other. If you think I should, what should I say?"

>Focus fire on the Party Girl.
>Focusing fire to eliminate the Party Girl first seems like the correct move.
>One of the Alisons should activate the Monster Hunter's SNIPER ability, again.

Ralison activates the Monster Hunter's SNIPER ability. Palison leaves her interaction point unspent, but recommends to the two ally mind fragments that they both attack the Party Girl.

- The Monster Hunter attacks the Party Girl, dealing 8 damage! She takes no damage.

>"Owww!"

- Therapist attacks the Party Girl!

>"Overindulgence to the point of numbness is a terrible coping mechanism, and temporarily suppressing the symptoms of stress keeps Rokolo from dealing with the actual roots of her problems. You're seriously unhealthy!"
>"Wh- what? No, I...!"

- Therapist deals 3 damage! She takes 2 damage in return.
- The Party Girl is defeated!!

>"I j-just... Aaaii just didn't w-want anyone to get stressed o-oouuut...!!"
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The Party Girl is removed from the field.

ENEMY TURN

>"Aargh, fuck your OP bullshit, Polo!"

- Rascal uses her group action point to change position.
- Rascal uses her personal action to activate an ability, targeting Therapist.

>"Oi, quack! You fatass mutt, are you totally retarded or just your predator half!?
>"Th- I'm not even really Dastrica! I'm an extended metaphor!"
>"So, are you a metaphor for half a dumb animal or a whole one!?"
>"You...!!"

- DIAGNOSIS: Rascal's TAUNT forces a targeted enemy to spend their action attacking her next turn, if possible.
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No. 719231 ID: 5ad4a7

>>719226
Hmm, I see a way to counter that. Move Therapist behind Hunter. That way she can't attack.

Hunter should use Snipe as usual.

>what should I say?
Hmm, one of them is Justice, and the other one is... Calculation? Balance? Checks and balances? Ethics? Ethics might be right.
So tell them you seek to make things right. You want to convince Rokolo to do the right thing, to join up with Polokoa so that they have the resources and combined moral compass to afford to do the right thing and want to do the right thing.
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No. 719232 ID: a075ba

>DIAGNOSIS: Rascal's TAUNT forces a targeted enemy to spend their action attacking her next turn, if possible.
Well, that's annoying, since that will result in the Rascal getting a net gain in hp.

>what do
One Alison should activate SNIPER, one Alison should activate REASSURANCE, targeting Therapist (doctor, heal thyself). And the mind fragments should attack.

With ATTENTION SEEKER in effect Rascal will only suffer 3 net hp lost, but at least we're moving in the right direction.

>>719231
Or that could work too. Instead of activating the heal, one Alison moves therapist. Then therapist is left unable to attack, so she can use her action point to heal instead. Then the net Rascal hp loss is 4. (Assuming that The Monster Hunter blocks allied LOS, which I'm not certain she does, the way her not-defense-block logic was explained).

>>"I think I can still try talking to her," Arbiter says. "Or her and her... friend? They seem connected to each other. If you think I should, what should I say?"
That no debt can be balanced and that no justice can be done, without action. They sit here arguing about what was done, and what to do, but how can they accomplish anything until they stand?

Try to break them free of the Party Girl's malaise, now that she's down. She was drugging them into complacency, try to undo that.
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No. 719237 ID: 5ad4a7

>>719232
Oh, yes, Justice and Debt.
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No. 719248 ID: d1fde2

>>719231
Business as usual won't work. Rascal's new position puts her not in Hunter's firing arc. That means we would have to move hunter, in addition to activating sniper, and moving Dastrica out of the firing line. Can't have everything, I say Dastrica takes the swing she wants to take. Move hunter to firing position, snipe, pew pew pew
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No. 719253 ID: a075ba

>>719231
>>719232
Okay, screwed this up, in that I completely ignored the actual map and targeting rules. In order to alleviate my own confusion, I went and colored in the firing arcs. >>/questdis/99443

We have 2 problems:
(1) Hunter Polo doesn't have line of sight on the Rascal.
(2) Therapist does have line of sight, but we don't want her to.

So what do:

One Alison should move Therapist diagonal Back 1 / Up 1. (Which should be find, considering how far the Rascal moved). One Alison should move the Hunter Down 1. This blocks Therapist's LOS and restores Hunter Polo's.

Polo can then attack (without SNIPER) which will hurt her, but Therapist can follow up using her action to cast REASSURANCE on Polo, since TAUNT can't force Therapist to make an impossible attack.

Net HP change for the round: Rascal -4, Polo -1.
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No. 719255 ID: 5ad4a7

>>719253
Ah, you're right. That plan works best.

...if a character is in the back column of the center row, can they aim towards all of the squares in the enemy's grid?
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No. 719273 ID: a107fd

>>719232
In addition to a general call to action, the ideals of Justice and Debt both depend on some degree of objectivity, which Rokolo can't achieve while she's wrapped up with her own schemes, in an echo-chamber of engineered minions. Alliance with Polokoa would provide a check on her power, an outside perspective to point out flaws in her reasoning. Debt and justice are about balance, and balance is a lot easier to achieve when the system includes an equal-and-opposite counterweight.
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No. 722255 ID: c8d677

>>719253
+1
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No. 725101 ID: 2a783e
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>In addition to a general call to action, the ideals of Justice and Debt both depend on some degree of objectivity, which Rokolo can't achieve while she's wrapped up with her own schemes, in an echo-chamber of engineered minions. Alliance with Polokoa would provide a check on her power, an outside perspective to point out flaws in her reasoning. Debt and justice are about balance, and balance is a lot easier to achieve when the system includes an equal-and-opposite counterweight.
> So tell them you seek to make things right. You want to convince Rokolo to do the right thing, to join up with Polokoa so that they have the resources and combined moral compass to afford to do the right thing and want to do the right thing.
>That no debt can be balanced and that no justice can be done, without action. They sit here arguing about what was done, and what to do, but how can they accomplish anything until they stand? Try to break them free of the Party Girl's malaise, now that she's down. She was drugging them into complacency, try to undo that.

The Polokoa-like fragment smacks the table, again.

>"He's right!" she declares. "Rokolo is always surrounded by people who won't challenge her properly. Polokoa is exactly who Rokolo needs to make her pay for her crimes, and we need to help it happen!"

Wait, that's not what Arbiter said at all!

>"Polokoa could help a lot," the other fragment responds, "But then we'd owe her everything. Debt consolidation can be a good strategy, but... how could we possibly pay her back? She's queen of all neumono in this dimension, she has everything she could want. We could never pay her back for her help. We'd end up being even more worthless."

... These two both seem to be under some misapprehensions.
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No. 725102 ID: 2a783e
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ALLY TURN

>So what do: One Alison should move Therapist diagonal Back 1 / Up 1. (Which should be find, considering how far the Rascal moved). One Alison should move the Hunter Down 1. This blocks Therapist's LOS and restores Hunter Polo's.

The Alisons spend their interaction points to move their ally fragments.

>"Hey, no!" Therapist objects. "She's being wrong about things!!"

>Polo can then attack (without SNIPER) which will hurt her, but Therapist can follow up using her action to cast REASSURANCE on Polo, since TAUNT can't force Therapist to make an impossible attack.

Palison advises as directed. Therapist huffs.

>"Rrgh. Fine," she sighs.

- The Monster Hunter attacks the Rascal!
- The Monster Hunter deals 8 damage! She takes 5 damage in return.
- Rascal's PASSIVE: ATTENTION SEEKER reacts. She heals for 4.
- Therapist activates her REASSURANCE ability, targeting the Monster Hunter. She is healed for 4.
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No. 725103 ID: 2a783e
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ENEMY TURN

>"Damn it, this isn't fair!"

- Rascal uses her group action point to change position.
- Rascal attacks Therapist!
- Rascal deals 5 damage, and takes 3 in return.

>"You can't just dismiss me!!" she shouts. "I'm part of Rokolo for a reason!!"
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No. 725104 ID: 2a783e
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ALLY TURN

The CAIs see no apparent reason to delay things. Ralison changes the Monster Hunter's position. Palison activates her Sniper ability.

- The Monster Hunter attacks Rascal!
- The Monster hunter deals 8 damage! She takes no damage in return.
- The Rascal is defeated!!

CONFLICT RESOLVED: CAI VICTORY
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No. 725105 ID: 2a783e
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With the two unhealthy mind fragments exhausted and no opposition remaining, Palison is able to place neural locks to prevent their recovery, and stop them from significantly influencing the rest of their owner's mind. For now. Rascal tries to call for the Warden again, but her ability to communicate is muted. The CAIs can choose to return a little of it to her, and she could be compelled to reveal some information. The other mind fragments they found here might also know something useful.

Should they:

- Keep trying to recruit the two fragments that Arbiter has been talking to? They seem at least half amenable to the idea already.
- Try again to recruit Rascal or the Party Girl, from a position of strength? This doesn't seem likely, but it might be a possibility.
- Try to find out where the fragment Therapist was looking for is now? Rascal seemed to know something about that.
- Inquire as to other questions that have come up? A few things have been off-handedly mentioned that weren't readily comprehensible.
- Do something else?
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No. 725107 ID: 398fe1

>>725105
Recruit the two Arbiter is talking to:
>how can we possibly pay her back?
By giving her what she wants most. Peace in the long term, beyond her lifetime. This can be gained via time travel, by traveling into the future to keep nudging things back into place as they fall apart. She has no access to time travel, but Rokolo does.

Also interrogate Rascal! She'll appreciate the attention and will maybe be cooperative.
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No. 725145 ID: a075ba

>... These two both seem to be under some misapprehensions.
Those are some thick beer goggles and personal bias goggles.

>>725103
Attention seeker doesn't kick in when she's targeted by automatic counterattacks? I suppose the important distinction there is no one chose to target her.

>Keep trying to recruit the two fragments that Arbiter has been talking to? They seem at least half amenable to the idea already.

>how could we possibly pay her back? She's queen of all neumono in this dimension, she has everything she could want. We could never pay her back for her help. We'd end up being even more worthless.
Explain to her she's thinking about it in the wrong terms. Interactions between family and friends don't need to be treated as zero sum games, as both sides gain benefits from interacting from the other (when the relationship is healthy). In some ways, Polokoa needs/wants family/peers as badly as Rokolo does. Being that would be enough to offset any debt incurred.

>Rokolo is always surrounded by people who won't challenge her properly. Polokoa is exactly who Rokolo needs to make her pay for her crimes, and we need to help it happen!
Well, if her worldview is challenged sufficiently, she might not need someone to make her pay. She might begin to atone / make herself pay. Rehabilitation and reformation are paths to justice, aren't they?

>Do something else?
This place is basically a trap, isn't it? Maybe we should spend a few minutes pulling the other mind fragments here out of their booze, or establishing an exit so they can leave. No reason to leave them at the Rascal's mercy when she eventually recovers.

>Do something else?
Thank / show appreciation for Hunter and Therapist. Good work!
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No. 725191 ID: a107fd

I don't think Party Girl has much to gain, strategically, by allying with us, but that might be workable because she's the polar opposite of a strategic thinker. If someone can come up with a suitable line of BS, maybe she could get the Warden drunk, and then we've got the run of the whole place.

As for Rascal... entire universes out there, full of people who haven't even heard of you. Help us sort out this alliance, save a bunch of innocent lives, and then? Afterwards? You get to take credit. Some number of sophonts (an incomprehensible number, bristling with silly-sounding syllables like "quadrillion") will want to know everything there is to know about their time-hacking trickster savior, want to love you, to worship you as a living god. We're talking about the ultimate prank, here, nobody'd ever be able to top it.

>>725107
If we're treating it as a loan, Rokolo only owes Polokoa the value of the principal, plus reasonable interest. Time travel means she could pay back the material contributions same-day, in which case interest would be zero. Hourly rates for labor are a finite piece of a nigh-infinite pie, and thus, similarly, manageable.

If we're treating it as a partnership, stakes in a shared venture, then Polokoa's material contribution is repaid by her part ownership of the end result, and labor is repaid in her ability to influence that end result, making sure that the work meets her own standards of competence and morality. She'll be paid back when the job's done, almost automatically, by the very fact of the job BEING done.

As to Justice... the tone's a lot more hardcore than we intended, but, yeah. Making Rokolo pay for her crimes is on the agenda here. Literally pay for them, as in, personally do the work necessary to undo/retcon the damage, as well as figuratively paying for them by sitting down and talking and thinking and suffering until she understands why it was wrong in the first place, and resolves to do better.
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No. 725556 ID: 398fe1

Specifically, we can interrogate Rascal by not asking her questions directly. Instead, ask Party Girl the questions while pointedly ignoring Rascal.
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No. 728558 ID: 91ee5f

Therapist, don't listen to Rascal! You're not dumb and you're not fat!
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