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14434 No. 14434 ID: 2eac65

Official Site:
http://www.mspaintadventures.com

Thread 1:
>>76

This thread is for Homestuck, the current adventure in MS Paint Adventures.

4/13/11 is coming. Brace yourselves.
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No. 22335 ID: f5832c

when you factor in rose's stealing of the troll romance books id say she's trying to woo kanaya and it isnt going so smoothly right now. possibly down to kanya's little self esteem thing she seems to have going on in the latest update.
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No. 22359 ID: f2c20c

>>22332
Meenah asks her directly and she is like *blush blush* "Maybe". Pretty direct confirmation I'd say.

I find myself wondering how Roxy and Porrim would get along. Too bad Porrim's dead.
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No. 22364 ID: 886a4d

I don't know how to feel about this
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/14293468/homestuck-adventure-game
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No. 22365 ID: f5832c

>>22364
vaguely aroused.
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No. 22370 ID: 1963d1

>>22365
Vaguely? I scoff at you sir. I have a full on moneyboner and it's going to shoot a load all over Hussie's bank account.
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No. 22376 ID: 4349bf

>>22370
Lucky you. I'm going to have to settle for Gamepak 1.
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No. 22378 ID: 4de078

As a stunt and a joke, this thing's succeeded wildly. When I read the 5k and 10k rewards, I laughed until I cried. As for project viability, I think it's possible, but not his deadline.

And as for if the world really needs this... well, let's just say that I've been Hussie's fan since he was small-time, and while I've always wanted to see him make it big, I never wanted him to get... quite... THIS big. It's hard to tell when he's pandering to his teenaged fanbase and when he's viciously abusing them these days. I miss the days when I could say I liked this thing and not have to be ashamed of it.
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No. 22393 ID: f5832c

personally id like it if the game focused on the carapicians, dug more into the relation ship they have with each other and the game.
maybe it follows the Wandering Vagabond as he gose from derse footsoldier to War-weary Villain
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No. 22395 ID: bf54a8

oh my god, someone got a 10K reward.
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No. 22396 ID: f2c20c

>>22395
Are you sure? It says 10 out of 10 left on my screen.
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No. 22397 ID: 1b5014

>>22396
As far as I can tell, someone got one and then backed out shortly afterward, and then someone else got one and then backed out shortly afterward.
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No. 22398 ID: 4349bf

Welp, it's funded. Still no $10K donations.
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No. 22399 ID: b6178d

>>22398

Well, there is one now.
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No. 22400 ID: e3f578

I wonder how much they actually donated. They could've gotten the $100,000 reward for all we know thanks to Kickstarters system.

How in the fuck do you put charge than $10,000 on a credit card? Motherfucker must have BITCHIN credit.
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No. 22402 ID: 97486c

>>22400
could also be debit
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No. 22403 ID: e3f578

oh cool I didn't know you could make a single five figure debit transaction on a personal account
that's cool to know.
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No. 22407 ID: 4349bf

>>22400
American Express has a special credit card with no limit at all. I think it's called the Centurion.
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No. 22419 ID: 16b9bd

Still love The Family Man and Matchstick Men, though.
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No. 22439 ID: 6a1ec2
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22439

Wow John has ...gone off the deep end. I... I don't think he's coming up for air.
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No. 22440 ID: 50b072

>>22439

>be trapped with the same 2 people and a bunch of animals for 2 years
>during puberty
>not losing your shit at least a little bit
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No. 22442 ID: f2c20c

>>22440
Three. You're forgetting Nanna.
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>>22442

>>trapped with the same 2 people and a bunch of animals, and your grandmother for 3 years during puberty
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No. 22501 ID: 2eac65
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22501

Hey, remember when John became a god and got fantastically powerful world-shaking wind magic?

Hussie does.
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No. 22502 ID: 6a1ec2

>>22501

Tier 2 at that!

But uh...

Didn't John already resurrect from there?
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No. 22503 ID: 2eac65

>>22502
Yeah, that kind of confused me too. My guess is that it's John's dreamself from when he fell asleep during his last appearance, overriding Jack's memory of his corpse because of dreambubble shenanigans.
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No. 22505 ID: f2c20c

>>22503
That makes a lot of sense. In fact, that is probably the only explanation, as this version of John has eyes. Not dead.

I'd like to point out that due to how dream mechanics work, if John dies here, he just wakes up. Hey, shouldn't Noir still be able to teleport here in the Furthest Ring, since the Green Sun should be visible? Why hasn't he done that at all to catch up to the trolls? Heck, he could've done that immediately upon the trolls launching their craft towards the Green Sun, to meet them there.
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No. 22506 ID: 886a4d

The green sun only effects sessions and the frogs (universes) born within its influence. It has zero effect on the Furthest Ring.
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No. 22507 ID: 2eac65

>>22505
>I'd like to point out that due to how dream mechanics work, if John dies here, he just wakes up.
I don't think we've ever actually seen what happens if your Furthest Ring dreamself dies. The consequences might be far more dire. One might instead dream outside the dreambubbles, or stop having clairvoiyant dreams entirely, or even lose some significant part of oneself.

Fortunately, I doubt that Jack will try to kill him at this point, considering he's in the mindset "let's stop fighting, there are more important things to bother ourselves with". Then again, he is a boss monster who likes to stab people for little to no reason, so who knows how much effect his character development has.

>Hey, shouldn't Noir still be able to teleport here in the Furthest Ring, since the Green Sun should be visible?
First Guardians can only teleport locally, and only within realms over which the Green Sun presides. One in a certain session could teleport anywhere in it, but not to another session, or to the host universe. The Furthest Ring cuts off their teleportation, since the Green Sun doesn't rule it.
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No. 22509 ID: e3f578

This is a godtier player, it has to die in speical ways, remember? It has to be a justified death or a martyred death, or a unique kind of death that completely obliterates the space around them before they can resurrect, which was how Meenah was able to kill off her godtier friends (they couldn't resserect in time before the scratch) or how LE killed the godtier dreamselves, by destroying the entire reality bubble that held them.
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No. 22510 ID: 0093c2

>>22507

>I don't think we've ever actually seen what happens if your Furthest Ring dreamself dies.

Draconian Dignitary killed Dave's when he was asleep and his furthest ring dreamself was talking to Rose. Then Dave flew through space to the moon and killed DD.

So yes, we do know what happens. John just wakes up.
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No. 22511 ID: f2c20c

>>22510
Also, John's dreaming bubble self was killed once already by Meenah. He just woke up then, too.
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No. 22512 ID: 2eac65

Ah, right. I forgot about those.

On another note, it looks like Jack isn't trying to fight back.
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No. 22514 ID: f5832c

the way i see it dream self's are basically extra lives, whilst what john is now is just a normal dream.
i think bec isnt fighting beacuse he knows if he kills john the buble pops he has no were to hide.
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No. 22516 ID: f5832c

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007242

or maybe its beacuse john is more skilled at combat then we have given him credit..
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No. 22517 ID: ecfcdc

>trying to take away the breath of the Heir of Breath
Bec Noir ain't thinking too hard.
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No. 22518 ID: f5832c

...yeah.. its starting to look like john is Crazy powerful..
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No. 22519 ID: 2eac65

Well, I sure wasn't expecting that.

Jack hasn't been using his warping abilities in the fight, has he? It might be that he can't warp inside dreambubbles, since they aren't ruled by the Green Sun.
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No. 22520 ID: f2c20c

Now comes the senseless drubbing.
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No. 22522 ID: 2eac65

This whole sequence of events is awesome.

If I may go on a semi-related tangent, it's been said that First Guardians are invincible, but it's also been implied that they can be killed in combat. I think this is because of their ability to teleport instantly, so that no attack will land on them. They have what, in Exalted terms, would be called a Perfect Defense. Naturally, since they can only teleport within the Green Sun's domain, that means that outside its domain, they are vulnerable to attacks like any other being.

So in the Incipisphere, Bec Noir was unbeatable. But in the dreambubbles. John is the star. It's him.
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No. 22523 ID: 886a4d

I just realized something, Rose can flash-step. She mainly uses it to steal books.
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No. 22528 ID: f2c20c

34=8 apparently????
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No. 22529 ID: 011678

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007260

..oooohhh shiiiiiiit..
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>>22529
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No. 22566 ID: 2eac65

Well. That's new. Looks like John's going to meet up with Tavros and Vriska's ghosts now.
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No. 22568 ID: 011678

>>22566
poor guy dosent even know she's dead...
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No. 22587 ID: f5832c

yay tav and variska aren't dead (again) yet.
plus it looks like bar is rubbing of on old tavros, as he seems t o be geting more confidant, by his standards anyway.
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No. 22596 ID: ecfcdc

>VRISKA: He's the 8ig 8ad!!!!!!!! It's so o8vious. I mean, MAY8E there's someone stronger out there in paradox space? Who knows.
>VRISKA: 8ut whoever that is has nothing to fucking do with this massive extended multiverse-spanning campaign!!!!!!!!
Lord English convirmed for not the final final boss.
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No. 22597 ID: e3f578

It's hussie
and it's not hussie
there's a reason it's called paradox space
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No. 22598 ID: f2c20c

If there's any final final boss it's Hussie. He's essentially God. I'm sure Lord English is the only relevant final boss though.
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No. 22600 ID: 474c78

>>22598
>>22597
In the final act, everyone goes to fight Hussie. Then he gives them what they want or defeats himself or some shit.
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No. 22601 ID: f5832c

I was under the impression that the real Big bad was Paradox space itself, wiping out timelines that dont conform to what ever Narative its got going.. but its kinda hard to fight reality as a boss.... wait... thats what english just did..
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No. 22604 ID: 1d5849

>>22601
It's not that Paradox Space wipes out all the timelines that don't conform to the one it thinks is the best for giggles, it does so because they literally couldn't sustain themselves due to their own paradoxes. All the doomed timelines are doomed because they have something in them they cannot explain, because at some point they got strayed away before all the stable time loops and other weird time shit could actually stabilize.

It's just that really powerful entities such as Doc Scratch and Lord English have a very specific idea of how the time should go, and have put their plans ahead in such a way that there's not much a puny earthling or a troll could do to stray from it without causing a horrible paradox that dooms them all. So, in essence, fighting Lord English is fighting the Paradox Space: once he's through, they're once again the masters of their own destiny.
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No. 22622 ID: 6a1ec2

>>22604

And by "should" it means they themselves are controlled more by their own inexorable fate than any of their victims. They are powerful exactly because they have no way to escape their doom, and thus anyone who even interacts with them is thus dragged along to make sure of it.
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No. 22629 ID: 2eac65

>Goal: Find legendary superweapon to defeat BBEG.
>Problem: Can't follow trail to superweapon.
>Solution: Lure BBEG towards superweapon and follow his trail of destruction!
It seems Vriska's legendary planning skills haven't gotten rusty.
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No. 22630 ID: f2c20c

>>22629
Wanna bet the weapon is actually Calliope?
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No. 22631 ID: 1d5849

>>22630
Calliope is the bait. The weapon is the Scratch to their session.
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No. 22632 ID: f2c20c

>>22631
No it isn't. A Scratch doesn't affect the Furthest Ring, which is where Lord English is rampaging. Besides, why would there be anything that would cause a Scratch out in the Furthest Ring? That's a session element, not a physical object.

If the weapon isn't Calliope, then it would have to be ammo for the pistol that Hussie said was LE's only weakness.
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No. 22633 ID: 0093c2

>>22632

You are forgetting that inserting exceptions has historically been the solution to many problems in Homestuck.
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No. 22634 ID: 1d5849

I hope we'll get to see Caliborn alchemizing and combining shit in the beginning of his session.
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No. 22635 ID: ecfcdc

At first I read this as
>I hope we'll get to see Caliborn alchemizing and combining shit with the beginning of his session.
And it seemed a little out there even for Hussie.
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No. 22636 ID: e3f578

I feel really bad for Andrew's server right about now
The feedback I'm getting from the connection is the worse I've ever seen.
People are swarming.
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No. 22637 ID: e3f578

>>22636
heads up for people who play the flash, you can go as far as the exposition stand as Damara, so don't forget to talk to everyone past the door to get some of that juicy dialog (fortunately, it's all relatively short)
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No. 22638 ID: f2c20c

>>22633
...what exception? It's not that the Scratch can happen "everywhere except the Furthest Ring", it's that the Scratch only affects its session, and the elements to activate the Scratch only occur in sessions to begin with. The Furthest Ring isn't a session therefore you can't activate a Scratch in it. That's IT.

In fact, all a Scratch does is switch up the portals that send players and their ancestors to their proper times on their home planet. There aren't any damn portals in the Furthest Ring for that to happen with!

It's not just a single exception, and I'm not inserting anything. Due to what a Scratch IS and how it is activated, you can't do it in the Furthest Ring. That's not to say that activating a Scratch doesn't affect the Furthest Ring. Jack Noir wouldn't be active and flying around in there if there had been no Scratch in the Troll session. Heck, pretty much everyone flying around in there now is due to that Scratch.

It is possible that maybe a Scratch could be triggered in the Cherubs' session, but we don't even know what their session is like. It could be that whatever Caliborn did invalidated their session entirely. All that would accomplish, however, is the creation of an alternate universe where Caliborn/Calliope and their ancestor (if they even have one) have their arrival times changed. That wouldn't kill Lord English, unless he was somehow forced to stay in the session as the Scratch completed, thus nullifying his existence. I think he would just leave it though, either by escaping to the Furthest Ring or by traveling back in time before the Scratch hits, just like he does in dying universes.
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No. 22639 ID: 0093c2

>>22638

>It's not just a single exception, and I'm not inserting anything. Due to what a Scratch IS and how it is activated, you can't do it in the Furthest Ring.

Just like god tiers can only be triggered a single, specific way, right?
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No. 22640 ID: 1d5849

>>22639
Two ways.
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No. 22641 ID: e3f578

>>22640
The guy was using scarcasm
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No. 22647 ID: e3f578

I just now wondered if we're going to see the Beforus ancestors.
They're the only characters I can think of that haven't been elaborated on but eluded to exist by logic.
And I'm scared of getting more characters.
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No. 22656 ID: f2c20c

>>22639
Wow, you're dense. God Tier is accomplished by dying on a quest bed, or maybe even just having your corpse put on a quest bed. Those are very, very loose requirements since there are many ways to "die" and many quest beds, and the actual mechanism of God Tier is not understood even now. The mechanism behind the Scratch is very well understood, and that's the problem here. You need to have some sort of power source linked to time that Skaia can use, and you need some manner of sending the request for a Scratch to Skaia. Normally the Beat Mesa performs both tasks, but I can imagine somehow getting some object outside a session that could do both those things. I can even imagine Skaia existing somehow outside a session. However, even if you had portals outside a session, messing with them wouldn't do anything because they'd never be used in the first place! Skaia messing with the portals that deliver the ecto-babies to their home planet is what changes the timeline there, which also changes the development of the session attached to those players, which then nullifies the session that the Scratch occurred in. Not the Scratched universe, though, those are safely contained within the Genesis Frog.

Anyway, like I keep telling you, the Scratch doesn't reverse time or anything so abstract. It only involves changing the place and time the portals lead to (and even the session they lead to, in the case of the Session Glitch that Lord English caused in the troll universe). If there were any other sort of time-related event that changes things and destroys a region of space due to the timeline changing, it wouldn't be a Scratch. It would be something else entirely, and besides, like I said, Lord English could just avoid it by manipulating time himself.

The weapon is not a Scratch.
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No. 22657 ID: f2c20c

>>22647
I expect they'd be given as many references as the Alternian ancestors have been given. Or less, hopefully, considering there were like 10 or 20 pages of text describing what they were up to.
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No. 22658 ID: 0093c2

>>22656

>Wow, you're dense. God Tier is accomplished by dying on a quest bed, or maybe even just having your corpse put on a quest bed.

Aradia.

And before you try to say NUH UH HER CORPSE WAS DUMPED ON A QUEST BED IT'S CONSISTENT, Hussie already said it was an exception.

Deal with it.

>The mechanism behind the Scratch is very well understood, and that's the problem here.

The mechanism behind god tiers was very well understood before exceptions happened.

I don't even think the weapon is a scratch, but discounting it because 'that's not how it works,' in fucking Homestuck, is retarded. Introducing exceptions is nothing new.
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No. 22659 ID: e3f578

The very nature of paradox space is far too complex to ever think it has consistency.
Even that status is unconsistant (as revealed by the shard map web stuff Vriska has). It has a paradox of consistency. The mechanics of Hussie's multiverse are shifty at best, don't rely on consistency in predictions for Homestuck.
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No. 22660 ID: 1d5849

>>22658
Rose and Dave ascended the same way. The exception is not a Quest Bed in Derse - which EVERYONE has - but the fact that Aradia's dreamself has lied there the whole damn time.
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No. 22661 ID: f2c20c

>>22658
Uh, what? Dude, did you just strawman me by accident? I was saying the observable rules for God Tier were very loose, not that they had no exceptions and were well understood. We know without a doubt that a quest bed is required, and a dead body is required. Outside of that, it's assumptions and guesswork. Aradia didn't even have her corpse dumped on a quest bed, dude! You have no idea what you're talking about. Where the hell did Hussie say she was an exception to how God Tier works, anyway? What we know is this: when her robot body blew up at the same time as the green flame reaching her dream self on the quest bed, she ascended. The wiki says this is because the green flame killed her dream self, and that tore her soul out of the robot body in the process of the ascension which caused it to blow up, but I don't know if that's true or just a theory. It sounds kindof likely though. In that case, her ascension wouldn't even be an exception to the rules!

I would bet that you misinterpreted Hussie, and he said she was an exception to how players normally enter the session. She certainly is an aberration there, having been dead but still entering the session, and her dreamself being in the core of Derse on the quest bed instead of on the surface.

The only case I can think of where someone's ascension to God Tier was unusual is Jade, not Aradia. She was brought to her quest bed by Jack after the explosion killed her. That is why I included "maybe just having your corpse put on a quest bed". If Hussie said THAT was an exception to the rules, it sure isn't explained that way on the wiki.

I've said that we didn't and do not understand the mechanics of God Tier, and I stand by that. We were never told what the exact requirements were either. We attached arbitrary restrictions to it before because of what people told us about it and what actually happened, and we were obviously wrong about some of those, but guess what? The Scratch is NOT subjectively interpreted here. We know EXACTLY how it works. The CONCRETE details that you CANNOT deny are why it CANNOT affect the Furthest Ring.

Absolutely nothing in Homestuck has completely contradicted its own structure. Either the details of how things work were obscured, and that allowed different things to happen than we expected, or events led us to assume things that just weren't true. Actually, I agree with you partially. Very little of what is presented in Homestuck can be nailed down as "It works like this.". However, you're going way too far. Saying that absolutely anything in homestuck can happen because exceptions can crop out of nowhere is outright bullshit.

There is no way, no way at all that a Scratch can be triggered in the Furthest Ring, and it certainly wouldn't kill Lord English. You still have not said even one word to contradict this, you just keep dodging the issue and talking about exceptions in relation to other things or Homestuck in general, without even giving any real examples of exceptions. Can you maybe put a little bit of thought into what you're saying instead of just being super jaded about Homestuck and griping about it?
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No. 22662 ID: 0093c2

>>22660
>>22661

I had a response typed out that covered everything, but I'll just sum it up in a few points because a server error ate my post.

>I would bet that you misinterpreted Hussie, and he said she was an exception to how players normally enter the session.

You would bet wrong. The pawns buried her dead dreamself in the core of Derse, and the planet of Derse itself acted as her 'quest tomb.' Explicitly.

>We were never told what the exact requirements were either. We attached arbitrary restrictions to it before because of what people told us about it and what actually happened, and we were obviously wrong about some of those, but guess what? The Scratch is NOT subjectively interpreted here. We know EXACTLY how it works

We 'know exactly how it works' by means of being told by the same people (the characters in the comic) who told us the requirements for god tier.

>We attached arbitrary restrictions to it before because of what people told us about it and what actually happened, and we were obviously wrong about some of those,
>We attached arbitrary restrictions to it before because of what people told us about it and what actually happened, and we were obviously wrong about some of those,
>We attached arbitrary restrictions to it before because of what people told us about it and what actually happened, and we were obviously wrong about some of those,
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No. 22664 ID: f2c20c

>>22662
Oh hey, you quoted me out of context to misrepresent my argument AGAIN! Did you realize that when I said "attached arbitrary restrictions", that means that we weren't PROVIDED the restrictions?

We were told about the mechanism of the Scratch by Rose, in explicit detail, because she KNOWS shit, through extensive research and her own hero power of precognition. She's the damn Seer of Light, man. She doesn't guess. When we were told how to ascend to God Tier, we weren't told by anyone who had intimate knowledge of the game, we were told by someone who had that knowledge by unknown means- Vriska. We were told one way of approaching it, when it turned out there were at least two ways of doing so. Of note is that Vriska did not specify any restrictions, she only directed John to die on that quest bed. Rose, on the other hand, specified a restriction which has been verified in more than one way- that the portals are all that Skaia can actively control.

I did another quick search and there are some implications that Aradia's dreamself body was dead well before the bot-body exploded, so I'll give you that. The reason why her bot-body exploded is a mystery, and so is why that counted for ascending, or the green flame reaching her corpse counted for ascending(but I honestly kinda doubt the flame was the trigger). You still haven't told me where Hussie said that was an exception, though, or an exception to what. It could be a loophole where the requirments are that you die, and your corpse gets to the quest bed within a certain time limit. Since she 'died' when her bot-body exploded and her corpse was already on the quest bed, it worked despite that corpse not having died recently. Of course, I don't know if this is the case. I would want to see what Hussie said about it, exactly.

Not that a single exception would be enough to make the case that all information in Homestuck is unreliable, no matter how explicit. That's basically what you're saying- that anything we're told can be ignored for predicting the future because lol exceptions. That's bullshit. In fact, your case that exceptions get used willy nilly is based upon the assumption that we know enough of the rules to be able to SPOT exceptions everywhere. That's bullshit too.
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No. 22666 ID: 0093c2

> You still haven't told me where Hussie said that was an exception, though, or an exception to what.

Formspring Q&A. I used the 'quest-tomb' terminology specifically because he did.

>She's the damn Seer of Light, man.

Terezi is the Seer of Mind and backed up the 'have to die on your quest bed' statements re: god tiers. She's just as much a seer as Rose is.

>that anything we're told can be ignored for predicting the future because lol exceptions.

No, there are definitely reasons to discount things for the purpose of guessing what will happen. There has been no indication that a scratch could possibly be a weapon, and it's also a process and not even a thing to begin with. So it is unreasonable to think that a scratch could possibly be the weapon. But 'a character in the comic said a thing worked a certain way' is the stupidest reason you could possibly give for why a thing can't happen.

> we know enough of the rules to be able to SPOT exceptions everywhere. That's bullshit too.

lol.

I mean, the fact that you would take the stance you are taking in this argument and then say that is absolutely hilarious.
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No. 22667 ID: bf54a8

they are different styles of seer, terezi can very easily predict what PEOPLE will do.
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No. 22668 ID: f2c20c

>>22666
I am saying that the Scratch is one of the only things that we fully understand, you incredible dumbass.

Discounting Rose's capability as a seer is ignoring the fact that she researched the fuck out of this shit alongside that, too.

This is what you're referring to, I assume, in the formspring(which doesn't exist anymore, but thankfully someone saved it via web archives and stuff):
How could Aradia have ascended to god-tier status because she had no "extra life", which would have been her dream-self?
She did have an extra life. She had a dream self all along. It just wasn't in a tower. It was sleeping in a crypt in the center of Derse, which essentially functioned as her Quest Cocoon.

She is a special case with respect to having a dream self (like Sollux was, who had two), and also with respect to the god tier resurrection.

The same rules couldn't apply to her, since she's the only character who's been dead since long before beginning the game. She couldn't resurrect the usual way because she was already dead.

So she has a different set of rules to suit her unique circumstances. We were lead to believe she didn't have a dream self, because she was dead, and because she didn't have a tower. But she was in the crypt the whole time, on her sacrificial platform, looking pretty corpse-like. Was her dream self dead too? There's no need for a definitive answer. But it would be reasonable to view her slumber as a state of undead-like stasis, like a vampire in a crypt.

Her resurrection demanded that her dream self be killed on the platform. And so it waited there for the entire session until Jack destroyed Derse, and was consumed by fire. This woke her up, and restored her to life for the first time in years. Her robot exploded as her soul un-disembodied itself. She then attained the god tier as the Maid of Time.


So basically, no. She's not an exception to how God Tier works. She was an exception to how she entered the session and where her dreamself was. In the end though, her dream self died on the hidden quest bed, so she ascended to God Tier. This is the same way Rose and Dave ascended, and you could say it's the second set of God Tier rules that Hussie refers to. That's not an exception to our understanding of the rules in any way; her dreamself existing was simply a hidden detail we weren't aware of. Note that Hussie doesn't even say she's an exception, but a special case.
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No. 22669 ID: 0093c2

>>22667

>they are different styles of seer, terezi can very easily predict what PEOPLE will do.

And Rose can very easily predict Fortune. Her Seer powers give her no more insight into game mechanics than Terezi's would.

>I am saying that the Scratch is one of the only things that we fully understand

And I am saying that you only think you fully understand it.

>Note that Hussie doesn't even say she's an exception, but a special case.

A special case like Sollux. Who is an exception to the 'each player has one dream self' rule.
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No. 22671 ID: f2c20c

>>22669
>And I am saying that you only think you fully understand it.

Okay, I'm done. You're just too much.
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No. 22673 ID: 1d5849

What exactly is the "special case" here, anyway? What the hell are we arguing about?

The Quest Beds in the Prospit and Derse?

Because those aren't even exceptions. They are always there. There's always two ways to God Tier. This was ALSO from Hussie's Formspring.
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No. 22675 ID: f2c20c

>>22673
The argument was about whether you can come to any conclusions about anything in Homestuck or if exceptions can just pop up making everything impossible to predict.

The special case with Aradia was that she entered the session dead, and her dream self on the quest bed inside Derse was neither dead or alive.
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No. 22677 ID: 011678

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007307

Oh rose, you are the worst girlfriend Ever.
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No. 22678 ID: 011678

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007310
oh god no..
nononononononononono
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No. 22679 ID: e3f578

HONK
honk
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No. 22680 ID: 0093c2

>>22678
>>22679

It's not like anything is going to happen since Gamzee already calmed down forever.

unless there is an exception
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No. 22682 ID: 6a1ec2

>>22680

I'm pretty sure it's Kanaya that will do the hapening. In the past game if you go to one room with Rose, she talks calmly to Gamzee and tells him to continue hide in the ventilation because Kanaya's looking to get her murder on.
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No. 22683 ID: f2c20c

gamzee pls go
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No. 22684 ID: 0093c2

>>22682

oh it's something from the game updates.

okay then.
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No. 22685 ID: e3f578

>>22682
I wonder why, it's Eridan that did the psychotic bullshit that pissed her off and she got her revenge when she sawed that fucker in half.
She could have done the same thing with Gamzee at that moment instead of kicking him in the balls and off that cliff. Why was she seeking to kill him after he became slightly more docile from soosh pappage?
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No. 22686 ID: bf54a8

>>22685
she didn't know what he was murder clown at the time so she just got him out of the way.
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No. 22687 ID: e3f578

>>22686
Gamzee had equuis's glasses and had nepeta's claw marks on his face. Even if she wasn't smart enough to put two and two together amidst the fact that a lot of trolls are going kill crazy, there's also Karkat's freakout that he had not only in reaction to Eridan's psychotic spree but from the ominious honking messages Gamzee was sending him, which he did close to Kanaya's body. She may have been unconscious but Karkat left his terminal alone to flee with Sollux's unconscious body and then had another freakout downstairs within shouting distance of kanaya's first death again.

There's a low probability she didn't know that Gamzee was going crazy too one way or the other. And then there's when karkat calmed Gamzee down when he was completely open for an attack, true, she could have tried to respect karkat's efforts and emotions, but she isn't anymore in regards to Gamzee. It's just weird where her sudden murder boner (not kismesis boner, a real murder boner) for Gamzee came from.
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No. 22688 ID: 1d5849

You know, I'm suddenly sort of okay with Rose/Kanaya couple. I used to utterly despise it.

Now I'm just sorta neutral.
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No. 22689 ID: f5832c

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007321

i take it back, rose is a great girlfrond.
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No. 22690 ID: f2c20c

Lightsnog.
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No. 22693 ID: ecfcdc

Shit Kanaya, get it together.

Also, is that shoe supposed to be Cinderella imagery?
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No. 22773 ID: 2eac65

Seeing as we're about to come out of the intermission, I'm thinking it's a good time to make a new thread, since this one is pretty huge. Want me to go ahead and do it?
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No. 22776 ID: f2c20c

>>22773
DO IT.
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No. 22779 ID: 2eac65

It is done. New thread:
>>22778
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