Ask if you should leave or is there anything you can do to help?

>>430781
"Can I help with anything? Should I get someone?"

Can you do anything to help? Should you be running away from unraveling reality?

>>430781
Run away!

Alright lets get rolling, just watch what he does I doubt you can help, but ask anyways because it's the thought that counts.

Flee.

Don't say anything yet. Open the door and be ready to get out if Glitcher says to. Then ask "how bad?"

1/2 Alison 2012/07/09(Mon)22:28 No. 430805 ID: 44b4ea
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>Ask if there is anything she can do, or if she should run
Glitcher says that she should either stay absolutely, perfectly still, or slither as fast as her whatever-makes-snakes-move will carry her. No middle ground, or else she'll probably teleport to a random bracket with no way back, at best. He things. He doesn't know how to stop it prematurely, but it should end soon.

In the meanwhile, he mentions that he may want to enter Alison's dream to take a look at Mako, if she would be fine with that.

2/2 Alison 2012/07/09(Mon)22:29 No. 430806 ID: 44b4ea
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In her own meanwhile, Alison will run as fast as she can out of there, though to what, she has to decide.

A) Finish collecting CU and purchasing Tier 3 for multiple people.
B) Focus on gathering materials and finishing construction on her house
C) Grind hug points on someone
D) Something else

>>430806
B!

Also it occurs to me that in order for Glitcher to visit Mako, we'll have to kill and absorb him.

hugs and houses sound good.

D: Consult math and engineer to see if we can contribute to science at all. Don't forget certain odd bits like that neumono photo. Or the fact that you know what a neumono is for no reason.

A sounds best

The good news is since Mako's continued anti-existence is contingent on the lifeiness of the Enforcer, whatever Glitcher figures out will probably kill the Enforcer in a most underhanded and backdoor manner. The bad news is it's Glitcher. He's going to fuck something up and the whole thing will explode.

Work on your house for a while. If you can get a semi-private well defended area maybe you can work on some glitches of your own, figure out how this universe really does work instead of leaving Glitcher to bogart the knowledge in his nondescript workroom of doom.

Or we could do chest hunts with a tier 3 party and hope the Enforcer will pop up. Better then sitting around playing house while who knows what is happening to Mako.

Go with A. You're probably going to need Tier 3 parties sooner rather than later, so better get on that now.

>>430839
There is the risk that another of Alison's friends will get ghost sundered like Mako. Best to wait a little bit longer and see if Glitcher can pull something out to help in that fight.

Since Glitcher is often busy and shouldn't be disturbed, write up a letter to him asking when and where he would like to throw a duel to be absorbed. Also, after that little scare with whatever he was working on, ask if he and Corrupter have a contingency plan in place in case he glitches himself someplace he can't be recovered from.

I vote B

Alison 2012/07/10(Tue)10:39 No. 430942 ID: 44b4ea
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>Write a letter to the glitcher when and where he'd like to be absorbed, and to the corruptor about a contingency plan in case he glitches himself out
It will be done.

For now, Alison goes to check on the Engineer. It is explained that construction is going steady as usual. However, that mostly applies to simply making the house itself. What's lacking is furnishing, as making furniture and beds does takes more time than just carrying a stone from point A to B. Also, he doesn't know how he's going to make a lens massive enough to make for a good observatory.

In fact, glass in general is hard to come by. So in short, Alison can speed things up if she manages to get some skilled labor around here, or finds somehow who can somehow make a lens.

All that, or she can just help out with manual labor.

Welp since we decided to ignore Mako (again) lets go find some lens makers. The Arbiter might be able to help us start our search.

You know, we have a lot of people at our service, and they can all select stylistic weapon covers to act as virtually any kind of tool.

So- we need some people with unassigned weapon levels. Then we start turning them into specialized craftpeople with weapon choices. Power-level people who have inaccessible weapon tiers, if necessary.

For instance- we use them to create machines to make sand. We simulate waves eroding rocks away with grinders, crushers, and rock tumblers. Then we need people with heat sources to melt the glass, a big mold to shape it in, and some people with air condition / temperature regulator tools to make it cool at the right speed and not crack.

We could also probably get people to make tools to speed up agricultural production, the carpentry and craftsmanship of furniture, etc.

Project epic craft-army go.

Why don't we just send someone else to ask around about glass making?
Then we could get to tier 3 and start hunting for enforcer and save brave Mako!

>>430952
You know what, I like this idea, better to have a house thats self-sufficient then relying on outside contractors. It will probably delay our time tables by a bit, but we can speed it up by hiring those contractors to teach instead of build.

1/2 Alison 2012/07/10(Tue)11:39 No. 430956 ID: 44b4ea
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>Make sand
Engineer thinks that this is a good idea. There are lots of people with spare weapon slots, so this shouldn't be terribly difficult to organize.

Between him and Alison, they'll delegate more talky people to attempt to get skilled laborers to teach Alison's house members how to do the labor themselves. Engineer hopes that they won't be stingy on teaching, given that that may breed competition.

Now Alison will decide that with those tasks delegated, she'll go to the Smuggler.

2/2 Alison 2012/07/10(Tue)11:39 No. 430957 ID: 44b4ea
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A few more purchases have been made in the last several hours, and so Alison has a grand total of 54,292,096 CU to spend

Previous build suggestions that were made at the end of the last thread will still be taken into account along with new input here.

It's interesting how Engineer is confident that melting down sand will create glass at all. Has he tried it? Also how to shape that glass into a lens, with perfect curvature and without imperfections?

He made the original telescope remember.

We need to talk with the smuggler about the sand thing.

>>430960

From the scientific texts we've read, and from all our observed evidence, it pretty much seems that the normal rules of physics and material interaction apply inside this simulation- except when they come in conflict with explicit game or system mechanics. So yeah- it's possible to make glass out of sand.

Of course, the engineering challenge is the bigger problem. Lenses are harder to make the bigger they are. Quality, cooling rate, curvature, not cracking, etc. But I'm assuming they can get the info they need from gathered books from safe zones, and they can cheat sufficiently with magic weapon-tools to get the job done. We can reproduce any mundane tool this way (which is all we humans ever needed), and we can probably cheat further with magical ones making it faster / easier. We already have a fireballs, why not ice spells? (there's all the temperature control you need, done right) Or gravity manipulation? (easy way to get just the curvature you want). There are loads of way they can abuse weapon selection to make engineering / crafting easier. It kinda depends on how badly the system can be broke- but hell, it's possible even limited to mundane equipment.

As far as suggested stats heres my list >>/questarch/423741 I suppose we could switch out guardsman for recluse

Well we definitely need to get Scanner to T3 and get maxed T3 Scan on her. How to spend the other CU available for her though? I'm having trouble deciding. I know we need rank 1 Immunity and rank 1 Range would be incredibly useful (especially when she's on her own against possibly other T3 opponents from other houses once the game starts again) but what about the other 3.7 million?

Healer should be bumped to T3 too so she can get T3 Healing. Interestingly, Item Cancellation can be maxed at the same time while also having enough CU to get Immunity 1 and T3 Range 1.

Ask everyone for requests on what they want to get for abilities, and whether or not they want to go to T3 and lose all those neat toys in T2.

1/2 Alison 2012/07/10(Tue)19:23 No. 431082 ID: 44b4ea
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Alison gets herself, Scanner, Iso, Healer and Recluse up to tier 3, and Guardsman will likely follow next. For now, she only had a bit over 5 million CU remaining. She spends the change on it to get various others to a higher body and weapon stats in order to increase labor capability and weapon types.

2/2 Alison 2012/07/10(Tue)19:23 No. 431083 ID: 44b4ea
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Hour 103/500, Cycle 3/30

There is still no word from the Glitcher. Chief and Succubus manage to find an experienced carpenter to teach, for the cost of 2000 CU per hour, which would translate to 1 million CU should she take an entire cycle to teach. With that, though, she would be able to teach everything she knows. Does Alison accept?

Sure.

Sounds good to me. Is she an independant or does she have a house? We could try to recruit her.

I say since we have a fairly rounded T3 group we go chest hunt and see if we can't bag an enforcer... maybe the data from the battle will help the glitcher find Mako's killer.

It doesn't really put a dent in our finances, and once we've got a successful carpenter he or she can train more. It'll more than likely pay for itself in the medium to long term. So yeah, hire her.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the interface, but are people we're advancing to tier three losing their lower tier immunities? If so, we should really make sure the party's banker stays low enough level to keep banditry immunity, at least.

Besides carpentry and glass-making, what crafts do we want to work on?

-Agriculture: In addition to basic farming / gardening tools, we could try to speed things along with things like sunlamps, rainmakers / waterguns, or fertilizer producers.

I'm not sure where to go from there. Textiles and clothes are right out, and we can create tools from nothing- we don't need an industry to make better ones.

Yes, accept the carpenter's offer.

Hey, remember when you purchased the music skill way back when? Perhaps there are "worthless" skills that overlap or are close to ones that are needed. Like, for example, artistic sculpting can be close to stone working, ceramics, wood working, or metal smithing, depending on the medium chosen. Ask Engineer to write up a list of possibly purchasable needed skills, and skills close to those skills, and send it to be checked by Smuggler.

Can I get a link to the other threads? I can't seem to find them.

>>431102
There are links to the previous threads on the wiki page: http://tgchan.org/wiki/AsteroidQuest

1/2 Alison 2012/07/10(Tue)20:36 No. 431112 ID: 44b4ea
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>Loss of immunities
Though it isn't explicitly stated, getting any stats in tier 3 immediately gains all immunities to tier 1 and 2 abilities, with the exception of absorption.

>Agriculture
Alison will make a note to see if something like that can't be sped up.

The carpenter has been hired.


>Is he independent or part of a house?
Independent, but he specifies that he would like to keep it that way. There is far more business for keeping in the central, public sections.

2/2 Alison 2012/07/10(Tue)20:37 No. 431113 ID: 44b4ea
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Hour 274/500, Cycle 4/30

>Purchase novelty skills such as music
This has worked well. As suspected, purchasing these doesn't give much knowledge on the subject, but it does give a great deal of innate talent. With this, lots of people naturally take towards knowledge, application and general practice.

The Glitcher summons Alison soon before her house is finished. She's told to just stay on the left half of the room, but it is otherwise alright. He thinks he has a way to track the Duelist's ghost to where the Enforcer is. With his method, he'll make Alison two items. One being a teleporter to a general location of where he us, the other being a teleporter back. However, since it would be disasterous for the system to find the sanctuary, the teleport back will have an expiration timer in case they have a way to track the return-teleport. In short, Alison will have about 3 minutes or around 20 rounds to get in, kill the Enforcer, make sure everyone is on the same tile or vicinity around Alison and teleport back.

Worst case is that Alison is killed and rended. The second worse is that she gets Duelist, but the return teleport expires. It will still work as an evacuation from wherever she is, but she'll most likely end up in a random bracket. It won't be possible to come back until her new bracket converges with a bracket of someone she knows and has access to the sanctuary. That could be the next stage, or it could be the final stage.

It's risky, but it has taken a lot of effort just to get this much, so that's all he can do on the matter.

>>431112
>immunities
Really? That's not what the immunity skill implied. Not that it would matter normally since Banditry can't be used in safe zones like the Sanctuary.

>>431113
>20 rounds to kill him and regroup
That at least sounds doable. There is another way back, though: Alison can die and have the Arbiter resurrect her. We should bring some white duel gloves to kill each other with should we escape after the timer runs out.

>>431113
Ask if the enforcer is THE enforcer and is the only one, or a hypothesis on that matter. Mako was the first person from the sanctuary to be rended, correct? And if we rend the enforcer, will the system produce another one, or give up entirely from that front?

Alison 2012/07/10(Tue)21:02 No. 431120 ID: 44b4ea
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Did Alison think she got immunities from getting any tier 3 abilities, because that was wrong.

Rank 1 immunity gives immunity to all rank one abilities and boons such as Banditry (with absorption and weapon ranks as the exception) and Rank 2 grants immunity to tier 1 and 2 abilities, with the same exceptions.

>Ask the Glitcher if the enforcer was only one
He has no idea about anything regarding enforcers, and he's assuming that the enforcer isn't going to have any ill effects from his teleportation tricks.

>White gloves
Alison will remember to bring enough to involve everyone, although inventory space has been severely limited for herself after getting to tier 3.

>>431114
Even better than dying: can the Glitcher make an item to let someone with Alison's ghost teleport to her to bring her back? Then we won't have to waste CU because of the absorption cap.

Actually, if we get random bracket teleported, there's an easy way back.

Die.

Even if we're way stronger than other entrants in combat, we can still deliberately lose a puzzle level, or wait out a timer or counter to be eligible for resurrection back home.

The only real flaw is there's no way for anyone to signal that they're trying to return via suicide. Our backups / resurrectors have to take scheduled naps to check, I guess.

Hey, have we ever asked glitcher what it feels like, being glitched? I would think it would be kind of interesting.

It may be worth making sure others (at least Arbiter and Corruptor) know that Absorption caps out at 5 million CU.

It means maxed out tier 3s can't be revived just by having their allies absorb them when they die.

>>431126
Yes, this is something of note that I'm not sure we've reported. Losses are incurred upon resurrecting those who are in Tier 3. Considering we are farming CU from the stages at such a high rate it shouldn't be a big deal though.

Anyway, agree with the Glitcher's plan. It shouldn't be too hard considering we killed the enforcer the first time in less than 20 rounds. With a stronger team it should take much, much less time.

>>431137
I wonder if there are good 5 million CU tier 3 builds, or if you're better off as a fully tricked out tier 2 at that point.

>>431123

I don't think the Glitcher has been glitched. That's sort of his thing. But you could ask that one guy who broke the level to find you. He was totally glitched.

Lets get Mako back!

Accept the teleport items and greatly thank him. Say you'd give him a hug, but you're a bit worried something would break; He's not looking so well. Also, before leaving ask if he can clarify how those three minutes line up with Sanctuary time, so you'll know how long you'll be gone.

Then it's off to inform your friends of the plan, assemble your strike team, and make arrangements for resurrectors to do periodic ghost checks for you and your team.

Alison 2012/07/10(Tue)23:25 No. 431163 ID: 44b4ea
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>Ask what it's like being glitched
It is a constant reminder that he is, in a sense, driving. But the road is slippery, there is a thick fog, everyone is telling him to drive fast, and he is overlooking a cliff on both sides without a railing.
And everyone he knows is in the backseat.

Although if he's lucky, it'll be because he it a rock and flew out of the windshield by himself without making the whole car careen off the cliff. For instance, right now he thinks that he is kind of dissolving. He isn't sure, but it's more comfortable than that one time that half of him was somewhere else for awhile.

On that note, Alison must consider who to bring.

She has herself, Scanner, Iso, Healer and Recluse at tier 3, and may choose to bring anyone from Tier 2 along as well, as they may still be of help. The Glitcher says there can be up to 15.

>How long will this be in sanctuary time?
Glitcher says that he doesn't know, but most likely the same as a regular safe zone, so she will lose the rest of this cycle if she leaves now. So it probably won't hurt to wait until the end of this current cycle.

Alison says that she would hug him, but that may not look to be a good idea. The Glitcher agrees, and so Alison simply gives him great thanks.

>>431163
Hrm. I suppose after he visits our dream we'll have a copy of his ghost. We should be able to resurrect him if he dies due to a glitch accident, then.

Oh! Do we have any financial reports? What's the income like from our CU farm? Speaking of finance, how are the merchants handling the fact that Smuggler showed up? It used to be mostly item trade, but now I imagine that market is mostly dried up.

Lastly, ask him more about how being Corrupted works. Now that we're stronger, having that unwanted attention might not be so bad.

>>431163

O...K so Glitcher doesn't have some special anti-glitch protection after all, just a suicide complex. We can work with that.

I... hate waiting any longer now that it is actually possible to get to Mako. Still we've waited over this this cycle so we might as well finish up.

Plans for the rest of the cycle.

1) Get one more striker up and running. That means another inc. damage \ max range person. I suggest Guardsman with the following stats.

Immunity 2
Damage Red. 1
Damage Inc. 3
Range 2

Double Offence
Block
Float

2) Help make the lenses for the observatory either by finding an accomplished lensmaker or learning to use our fire spell with fine enough control to assist in crafting it.

3) Continue to hunt for more skilled teachers in various subjects, it will eat up our funds so we might want to wait until after Mako is rescued before hiring any more but at least finding them will be over with.

>>431165
I'm going to say no to being glitched still. That screams to me ENDGAME.

>>431165
Oh, Glitcher didn't get back to Alison about being absorbed, did he? Ask him about that before leaving. While considering that his "unstable" state might bring complications to being absorbed, it would offer a way to bring him back if he dies in a glitch accident, or is teleported who knows where.

Wow. That was a bit more of a downer than I expected- it sounds like he can't really let his guard down or rest at all- he has to literally work to keep it together at all times. Poor guy never gets a break.

Um, dumb question. Has he been absorbed / resurrected safely before? I can't help but wonder if that might have side effects for us. Or if a resurrection might have failsafes to prevent copying corrupted data (trapping him), or to repair glitches (making him normal). Granted, I doubt he would have suggested it if it weren't safe, but...

We could invite him to the eventual housewarming party. If, uh, attending a party is the kind of thing he can do safely, and enjoy.

1/2 Alison 2012/07/11(Wed)10:53 No. 431255 ID: 44b4ea
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>Finance report
As another cycle has gone, Alison has gotten about 11 million CU more spent 1 million on the carpenter, leaving her with 15 million. She'll have around 25 million by the time this next cycle come to an end, as well.

>Ask the Glitcher how being corrupted works
He doesn't know, he isn't corrupted, and doesn't want to be.

>About being absorbed
The Glitcher does need that to happen, so he loses a duel with Alison after assuring her it is as safe as anything. Alison takes a quick nap in the hall to get the Glitcher to Mako. One of the dissolving squares is grabbed by the glitcher, somehow.

2/2 Alison 2012/07/11(Wed)10:54 No. 431257 ID: 44b4ea
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Once Alison has woken, she asks him if he would like to join her housewarming party, if it's something he can do safely and enjoy. He says it is probably safe. But he isn't a people person. Or a party person.

Unless Alison changes her mind, she plans on getting Guardsman to tier 3 to bring along, and will also afford to get one more person to Tier 3.

We can save that second tier 3 for Mako. As a welcome back gift. Or we could unlock some t2s fully and give them access to everything!

I'm not sure it's worth detracting from the power of our rescue strike force in order to later power up the rescuee.

Besides, with the time dilation thing the corrupted sanctuary has, we'll have new earnings waiting for us when we get back.

>>431272
I think it would be best to have two tier threes and several maxed out tier twos with every skill and full perks, since they're still useful against tier 1 and 2 enemies, as well as tier 3s that don't have immunity.

>>431273
We are going at the end of the cycle for a period of 20 rounds \ 3 minutes. When we get back we won't have missed a thing.

Alright swinging my support to unlocking some t2s as they really are usefull especially with switch position and teleport. Since we might be facing multiple tier 3s these guys will be primarily support. I suggest all of them get fort heal plus boons.

For the actual members I suggest Sword, Shield, Atlas, Charles, Strongarm, Dagger, Bandit, Succubus, and Chief. With our 6 tier 3s that will be exactly 15 people.

Chief primarily to show we do trust him and our majordomo should have some heft to back up his administrative power.

Stats should be as follows:

Delimeter + Tier 2 Access
Max Body \ Armor \ Weap Fort
First Strike 5
Scatter 5
Swap Position 5
Teleport 5
Fort Heal 5

Boons
Heal Range 1-2
Heal Movement
Heal Mini
Absorb Double
Inventory 1-5
Heal Double, Heal Overcharge
First Strike Priority 1-5
Scatter Leftovers
Double Attack

They should all buy an even mix of armor repair kits, and red gloves since we have a tier 3 with item cancel selective bypass. They should also be given 150k to choose boons and specialty skill lines of their own preferences. Succubus might for example want to max shapeshift. That will be about 600k CU each I believe. Which totals up to around 6 million spent, half that of a second tier 3. The rest should be left with Chief's second in command if he has such a thing in case for some reason we don't come back.

>>431286

I'll second that. Adding a bunch of useful and flexible cruisers sounds better than one more dreadnaught (if you'll excuse my lame ship class to tiers analogy).

And a fully shapeshifting succubus sounds awesome. Not only can we finally test the limits of that power, but she's our people person. There's gotta be lots of ways she can put that to good use.

Alison 2012/07/11(Wed)16:05 No. 431318 ID: 44b4ea
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Alison gives the Glitcher he thanks and goodbyes, and heads back to get more people at maximum Tier 2.

When Alison gets to the Chief's room, he notes that while the plan would involve Alison being gone for a few scant minutes, anything involving the glitcher may have complications. And if Alison's group were to be displaced and unable to come back, it may not go smoothly to have all of her best to suddenly go missing. If Alison doesn't mind, Chief has assituated himself as being the manager around here, so it may be best to leave him behind and take someone else along, perhaps, he mentions, Clarence.

Clarence is a good alternate choice. Still get him up to tier 2, we can afford it and he should be ready to step into our shoes should the unforeseen happen. Remind him though that hugs are the best policy.

Hmm. I almost suggested we should designate a second in command while we were out, but I've grown used to every quest ever ignoring suggestion towards establishing a chain of command. :V

Decision time guys, do we trust Cheif?

I'm wary, but I say we give him a chance. He hasn't given us any solid reason to think he's going to betray us, and even if he does try, he can't do anything we can't reverse, I think. Besides, we have friends here to keep an eye on things.

Leave him some orders on what to keep up on should we disappear, and remind him he can use Arbiter for help and resurrecting people, as he has recursive resurrection access to everyone on team Snake Queen.

>>431318
This is a rather key point he's making. We're currently planning on bringing our closest posse with us- but that leaves us in the position of leaving only second-tier friends at home to run things. Perhaps we should consider choosing two or three trustworthy people and explicitly assigning them the job of being our lieutenants and running affairs in our absence, whether that absence is for a few hours or many cycles. Having a formal power structure would help avoid having things slowly dissolve if we're gone for a while, and we can explicitly charge them with carrying out our ideals (make new friends, look after existing friends, and ultimately try to save everyone).

>>431324
We are leaving behind tier one friends though, like Math and Engie.

Math and Engie are useful and intelligent, but they haven't shown much in the way of leadership skills. They're specialists.

>>431324

This is a very good point. We should leave several lieutenants who've shown leadership / people skills behind. Chief is an excellent manager, but we also need people who can maintain our in-house social order, and who can work with the other forces outside our house (Arbiter, Corrupter, Glitcher, etc). Chief's social and diplomatic style is a litte... rough.

I'd give out posts, each in charge of different fields. Chief's the manager / expediter, math is finances, Engie runs the construction projects, Bandit manages internal relations and disputes (like a mediator, or a good human resources department). Succubus for foreign relations? (Dealing with other houses, Glitcher, Corrupter, Arbiter, ect).

We can still leave chief in charge (giving him a chance to finally prove himself or betray us) but have the benefit of a more stable structure.

Of course, this home-front lineup leaves a few holes in the tier 2 force we were gonna bring to war. Who remembers more names of people we can power up and bring? :p

The main problem with sending out Alison is that nobody back at base has Resurrection. Unbuyable boons like that make gathering chests still somewhat relevant- the only real issue is being able to survive an encounter with Judges while also not doing well enough to provoke Enforcers. A chest farming group would need to have someone with max Absorb Priority and someone with max scan so they can spot Judges with Absorb: Block Resurrection. Those are targets which have to die first. To avoid Enforcers, nobody in the chest farming group should have Delimiter.

I've been saying all along we shouldn't trust Chief with anything past middle management. We should not set him up to be our replacement, but I also don't think it's a good idea to take him along as he's rather GOOD at management. There's no need to make him into one of our fighters; there are plenty more people we trust more than him that aren't being used in any other role. I wish this issue would stop coming up. We should just LET HIM DO HIS JOB already.

Recluse would make the best replacement for Alison considering he's got such a similar goal- to bring as many people as possible out of the game. Unfortunately we made him our Protector apparently and that's a rather crucial party role so we can't leave him behind. I'm not sure who else could be Alison's replacement except for perhaps Bandit. Or perhaps Alison herself knows better than me of someone whose heart is in the right place and would make a decent leader?

Another issue, and this is important: we cannot use the white glove escape plan near any enemies that might have Rend. Rend replaces a regular ol' Absorb action and we know already that anyone can absorb someone that dies during a duel. Trying to escape via white gloves near an Enforcer could result in someone getting Rended as we go. Max Absorb Priority would help prevent this, but they could have that too.

Arbiter has resurrection though, and can bring Allison back so long as she doesn't get rended. And I was under the impression that the white gloves where an escape method to be used if we were forced to random teleport out.

But yeah, I don't really care how high we put Chief up on the totem pole. If he just wants to do his job, he's welcome to it.

(Maybe we should have a squad doing chest runs at some point just to try and get access to some of the unbuyable boons. Another in house resurrector would be nice.)

Alison 2012/07/11(Wed)19:10 No. 431367 ID: 44b4ea
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Alison believes that Chief is excellent at managing her place, but isn't sure if him leading it may end well.

And although Recluse has similar motives as Alison, he doesn't seem like someone who would enjoy being in charge of so many, being the recluse.

In fact, she trusts nearly everyone, but almost no one seems to take to being the central power aside from Chief, who may, as mentioned, cause issues.

Except, perhaps, the Arbiter. He seems both trustworthy, likes Alison, and may very well be willing to be in charge of two houses until she gets back.

Then again, that may look bad that she doesn't have kind of chain of command on her own.

All kinds of indecision. Alison is tempted to just hope for the best and sort this out later.

Perhaps we should set up some sort of council instead of leaving everything in the hands of one person? A triumvirate or something might work better.

Maybe Chief (good at managing/leading),
Iso or Recluse (trustworthy, similar goals),
and... someone else? I'd say Duelist, except that he's the whole reason to make this trip in the first place. Mathematician? Engineer? Scanner?

Well, we could go by The Collective's example and form a group that's in charge. Have Chief be the guy who actually gets things done and deals with managerial duties, but have the group of loyal friends be who decides WHAT gets done.

No, Alison. No matter how tempting it is, you can't just hope for the best. You're a leader, and you have a responsibility to more people than just Mako. You should make at least a cursory attempt to set up contingencies to protect them- you can't leave them aimless and adrift. Leaving a few people in charge to keep things running smooth and to watch out for the others is a good idea. Just don't leave Chief completely to his own devices (Bandit and Succubus are your best people people- the ones best suited to keeping moral up and people together if you're delayed, and most likely to keep Chief from treating anyone badly, IMO. Even if neither has shown the ambition to lead). You can ask Arbiter to watch out for them if you're delayed, but I wouldn't name him your outright proxy. That's a little overstepping the bounds, I think.

Of course, this planning is all for if your return is delayed. Realistically, if you never make it back, Chief is probably going to end up in control of your house. Or your house will end up absorbed by Arbiter's, as he's the nicest leader there, your ally, and he can already offer your people resurrection. But you can't worry too much about what happens if you end up dead, or worse.

The worry about the risk of you leading from the front, in battle, is irrelevant at this point. For better or for worse, you've already made your decision there.

The problem with any sort of council is we've already put our most trustworthy people into tier 3, which means we'd be leaving behind important members of our task force to get back Mako.

We really do only have one leader here besides Alison and that is Chief. In the interviews Alison did to skim through her dead did she find any that stood out as a leader? Perhaps we can see how those people do in a position of power for the rest of the time skip and decide from there. Another option is instead of taking all our closer friends as our tier 2 support we look to others like Recluse's friends and Chief's group.

However I'm of the opinion to throw it all in to the fact that we will come back and mess with a chain of command later since this is giving us so much trouble.

We already have people we trust in place, leading things. We aren't even interrupting that by taking the group we have. We've left these exact people in control before.

It'll be fine.

>>431364
I agree we should have a small council to make any important decisions that need to be made while we're away. We've already delegated most of the decision making anyway, so all that they'd really need to do is organize chest runs and keep a presence in the stages for us.

On the subject of chest runs, I think we should see about finding people who haven't absorbed anyone to bring up to tier 2 for those, because they won't have any ghosts to steal. We won't have to worry about block resurrection, either, since the Judges won't be able to get a high enough priority to stop a tier 3 person from resurrecting anyone that dies.

>>431082
About the shop interface... shouldn't the presets have all of the available absorption boons aside from the priorities selected? It's not very important, since I know they must have them, but it's still bugging me.

>>431379
Actually a T3's absorb is just automatically given 10 ranks in Absorb Priority. A T2 can get the boons directly and be equal in priority to a T3.

So any Judge with Block Resurrection that has Absorb 10 and Priority 10 would actually be dangerous for us. But aside from that specific build... yeah, we're in the clear.

>>431395
That's... not what was said before, unless I misunderstood it, but if Lago decided to change it then that's fine. Those will be rare, and we can just have our guys red glove duel them when they show up to minimize the number blocked. Red gloves are to only be used on those, of course; no need to scare the judges enough to draw out an enforcer like last time.

Here's what had been originally said >>/questarch/423557:
>a tier 3 character automatically beats out a tier 2 character in every manner of priority boons

Alison 2012/07/11(Wed)20:39 No. 431403 ID: 44b4ea
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After some discussion, Alison will leave Chief in charge of managing the internal functions of the house, the Succubus as a people person for foreign relations, and the bandit as a general purpose mediator when necessary. Mathematician and Engineer will also be given a say in Alison's absence, not that they didn't have a say already.

Chief also mentions that while there may not be any tier 3's left, there will be enough CU income to get one more Tier 3 per cycle, so that would fix itself.

As time moves on, Mathematician asks that there will be another dozenish million CU at the end of this cycle. Would Alison like to carry it, none of it, or enough to resurrect Duelist?

Rule Clarification: Unless otherwise noted, a Tier 3 character will have equivelent priority to a tier 2 who has all priority boons in its respective ability.

Have twice the amount to resurrect Mako, and leave the rest with the House.

Duelist takes about 13k to resurrect. Let's carry 100k just in case there's something we want to spend it on where we wind up. Somehow.

>>431407
Lets take an even million then, might be tier 3 items for sale.

>>431407
unless his stats changed, the shop has the wrong info for mako. We'd need a few hundred thousand to revive him.

>>431409
Oh. 1 million then.

1/2 Alison 2012/07/11(Wed)21:51 No. 431416 ID: 44b4ea
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At the end of the cycle, Alison lets everyone know that she'll be going. She brings 1 million CU with her.

Sword, Shield, Atlas, Charles, Strongarm, Spear, Clarence and Twirl will be the tier 2's.
Alison, Recluse, Scanner, Iso, Healer and Guardsman will be the Tier 3's.

That is 14 individuals, as Alison may want room to resurrect Duelist on the spot, for a 15th.

As she teleports in, she arrives on one of those pillars of light. It appears that this is a Tier 3 aesthetic.

There is a sign saying that activating a blue tile will summon Enforcers.

2/2 Alison 2012/07/11(Wed)21:51 No. 431417 ID: 44b4ea
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Round 1 Start

>Enforcers
>PLURAL

AAAAAAHHHHH....

Okay, I'm assuming you trip a tile, you summon three on the red tiles nearby. (Worst case, you trip a tile, all 12 appear).

We want to concentrate on clearing one island at a time, obviously.

(Also, the overcrowding on that tile is kind of absurdly cute. :3 Heheh.)

>12 enforces, spread out in three groups
>only have 20 turns
>don't know which group we want
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!

Okay, okay, I think we should be fine with activating two groups at once. Have one of the tier 2's teleport right, another teleport left, and the group as a whole will go left. Next turn each of them can swap position with one of our fresh Tier 2's before moving and then they can activate the blue platforms. And have Iso make a light trail after moving so we can skip a platform next turn.

>>431422
Remember, Alison is specifically after 1 enforcer, and there is a time limit. We should be triggering two at once, with even groups on both sides, with the tier twos hanging behind the tier threes by 1 square. If the enforcer appears on the other side, from alison we'll use tier twos to chain switch places/teleports to move her over quickly.

This way she has a chance of actually going after all the enforcers. (assuming the blue spots only summon predetermined enforcers on the three red squares near them)

Alright, multiple triggers seems reasonable.

We should utilize choke points though. Trap Enforcer parties on their islands with our heavy people acting as blockers, with lighter people who can heal back a space, while we concentrate fire on the target enforcer. As soon as he goes down, everyone pulls back to one tile, we res, and activate the tele.

This will go to shit kinda fast though. Even with healing, I don't think anyone can hold up against 3 on 1 concentrated fire for long. Although we might be able to get around that by cycling units. But I fully expect them to have a way to circumvent choke points. :/

one thing we have to keep in mind is that enforcers play for keeps, they probably all have rend ghost. if an enforcer gets a kill we risk having who they take down get rent as well. so if we activate two at once we have a serous chance of losing people.

>>431417
Okay, we can't visit each blue platform sequentially to swarm the enforcers. So this is my plan:

All T3 players should head for one blue platform. A couple of T2 players (preferably with Teleport) should stay behind and head towards two other blue platforms to activate one if our three Enforcers don't get results. Then we can kill them on the way back. If the second blue doesn't reveal our target, hit the third one on the second round. We will have to kill two enforcer groups on the way back but that's fine, we can handle it. If we whiff all three tries then we make a beeline for the last blue platform and activate it- at that point we'll want to zergrush our target and evac immediately. We can save turns by having Iso create light trails after each movement to hop over a platform every round while in the middle.

This doesn't leave a whole lot of room for error as far as speed is concerned but it is very safe as far as casualties are concerned. I think that's fine, since if we run out of time we have white gloves for evac. We'll just wind up wasting like 30 million CU resurrecting at a loss. We could reduce losses by leaving some of our T3s behind; this seems reasonable since they have a good chance of getting through stages alive. Only puzzle stages or System goons would kill them, at that point.

An alternative strategy is to split up, but that would most likely mean more turns spent sitting by the blue platforms fighting Enforcers, and we only have one Protector so other groups would likely suffer casualties. If Rend is involved we're FUCKED since then Alison would have to get over and Rend the offending Enforcer personally and that wastes time we don't have.

So. This turn, everyone but the two T2 advance scouts move up-left, and Iso should create a light trail hopping over the next platform. That'll save us a turn. The two scouts can move up-right and down-left.

>>431430
My activate two at once plan is to hopefully have the second set come after us (meaning we won't have to run as far after dealing with the first set) and to see if our target was one of them. The Tier 2 that activates them is obviously going to teleport away the following turn before they can get in attack range. So, no, activating more than one shouldn't increase our risk of losing people.

>>431425
Addendum: Have Iso Throw the person teleporting left. That'll let us activate those Judges this turn.

>>431433
Dropping enemies with Remove Platform is actually quite difficult as the platform disappears after the move phase of the next turn. They get a chance to hop off even without float. It could be useful to prevent an enemy's retreat, however. Of note is that there is no diagonal movement here.

>>431426
>Swap Position

Oh! That could speed things up too, if we have more than one player with it. Then they could stay in the middle and use it to swap in Alison and Recluse to deal some damage before the other T3s arrive.

>>431438
>have someone teleport to activate the first blue platform earlier
Good idea! Then we can lure in the FIRST group of Enforcers early instead of just the others. That will shave a couple more turns off.

Here's my plan. This can keep up to 3 groups of enforcers penned up indefinately.

Step 1) The Tier 2's all teleport each to a corner in groups of two. The leftmost group has one person switch with Iso and he throws the other across activating the enforcers. If its our enforcer good proceed to step 5, otherwise proceed to the next step.

Step 2) Iso disables the left light trail and the left activator returns across the gap. The upper most group has one person cross over and enables that enforcer group. If its our enforcer good proceed to step 5, otherwise proceed to the next step

Step 3) Iso disables the upper light trail and the activator returns across the gap. The right most group has one person cross over and enables that enforcer group. If its our enforcer good proceed to step 5, otherwise proceed to the next step.


Step 4) Iso disables the right light trail and the activator returns across the gap. The down most group has one person cross over and enables that enforcer group. Since this is the last group our Enforcer must be there. So everyone except Iso should move towards that platform.

Turn 5) ATTACK. The two swappers should immediately swap with Alison and Gaurdsman. Their job is to hurt the group as much as possible. While the others head in their direction. Iso should keep the enforcer groups penned up that do not contain our Enforcer. If this involves all three other groups he will have to constantly disable light trails and do nothing else.

>>431457
Light trail disabling doesn't have infinite range though. Pretty sure. It'd be kindof ridiculous if it did, as you've demonstrated.

At any rate, all we have to do is find our target then kill him and leave. To that end, we SHOULD activate all four blue platforms at once, then use Iso's create light trail ability to get an extra head start on the other Enforcers. We kill our target and any Enforcers that could pelt us as we run back to collect our four activation-dudes, then trigger our escape. EXTREMELY fast and very safe.

So basically my supported plan, based on my prior posts >>431437
>>431439
>>431452
is now to activate as many blue platforms as fast as possible to pick out our target, then zoom over to them and kill them while the T2 dudes that activated the platforms run back with hell on their tails.

What if the Enforcers want to negotiate?

>>/questdis/56171

Light trail disabling and destroy platforms both have no range requirements in the descriptions... indeed negate platform specifically says ANY platform. However if they do have a range requirement we would have two swappers at each platform and it should be easy to switch Iso to each corner. We can even use a swapper in the middle to chain swaps if its too far away.

I say we take it carefully and commit to going over the time limit, then having arbiter resurrect us. Remember how much trouble one enforcer gave us? we shouldnt risk spreading our force at all over 12 of them.

1/3 Alison 2012/07/12(Thu)13:37 No. 431568 ID: 44b4ea
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Long overdue Rule and Character Stats: http://tgchan.org/wiki/Unnatural_Selection_Stats


Round 1 - Movement

Iso throws Clarence SW.
Alison throws Iso SW
Clarence Teleports 3 tiles to a blue tile!
Shield Teleports 3 tiles NE, Twirl Teleports 3 tiles SE.

Clarence will head back, and Iso will, next turn, will begin blocking light trails.

2/3 Alison 2012/07/12(Thu)13:37 No. 431569 ID: 44b4ea
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Tier 3 characters begin moving SW, while other tier 2's move to the upper left, preparing to swap positions with Tier 3's for quick movement. Shield and Twirl will hang by the east sides to activate tiles as needed.

Healer, Recluse throw Guardsman and Alison to Iso.

3/3 Alison 2012/07/12(Thu)13:38 No. 431570 ID: 44b4ea
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Round 1 Attack

No targets are available. It isn't until after the attack round begins that the enforcers spawn!

How did contestants get here? The middle one asks, the other two telling it that they don't know. They tell Clarence that she must leave, as with everyone else with her.

Tell them we're here to rescue a friend, other then that it shall have to be secret, apoligize for inconveniencing them and ask if any of them are willing to give us more information on the contest. Or anything about the system in general.

Scanner scans, Iso blocks, Clarence heads on back and we activate the next group.

>Rule and Character Stats
Good gods, thank you. I'm going to study all that now, thanks.

Clarence: bluff them. Apologize for the intrusion, agree that we'll leave. This will buy us a turn or two before we find the enforcer we want and start aggression.

If possible, we want to back off and seal them on that island with platform light trail severing. Scanner might want to grab some data too.

Apologize and say you'll do that. Hope they'll just leave.

Good idea, bluff them, ask them if they would be willing to answer any questions about this 'contest'.

Tell them that we will leave as soon as we get our friend back. Continue with the plan. Activate the next blue tiles.

Wait, that's interesting- did it just speak in a different manner than normal? Scan the middle one.

Alison 2012/07/12(Thu)14:09 No. 431581 ID: 44b4ea
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Clarence tells them that they'll leave, but they'd like to know what this competition is about.

The Enforcers decline to state, and they don't disappear when Clarence says she'll just leave then.

Scanner scans. She says that this will count on the limitations of Create Light Trail matching just how far away it looks to be.

Continue with the plan. Worst case scenario we just have the panel-activators running away for most of the battle.

Actually, if I'm reading the rules right, the light trails connecting the mainland to the island are too long for even create light trail 3 to restore if we break it. And it looks like throw has to follow tiles and light trails. So we could trap them, temporarily. They'd need a few turns to build a bridge of new platforms and light trails to get to us.

>>431582
Float doesn't protect you from disappearing platforms. Remove Platform's been moved to after everyone's moved and given a range limit, though, so it's not as overpowered as it was before.

I don't think they'll be able to bridge the gap with a single light trail, but they should be able to bridge it by alternating between Create Platform and Create Light Trail. I think that will take four or five turns, though.

Oh god none of them have float, I wish we could trap them some how. Wait one of them can make platforms. That might work in our favor. If Iso range can meet the platform they create he can disable that as its created.

Also the first two do not have immunity two, that means they are vulnerable to first strikes. I think our tier 2s could probably gang rush this entire group and win with zero causualties.

However I see a very easy way to win. Let Recluse red glove them.... there bam dead all three in three turns. None of them have item cancellation.

Or better yet combine the two, have Recluse red glove the creator while they are in the middle of the gap, they rest will die when the platforms expire. I like this best as long as red gloves range can be used in this manner. If not Iso can probably set it up fairly easily to link his own platforms with theirs.

1/2 Alison 2012/07/12(Thu)15:06 No. 431600 ID: 44b4ea
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Round 2 - Movement

The enforcers move forward as Clarence runs back.

2/2 Alison 2012/07/12(Thu)15:08 No. 431601 ID: 44b4ea
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Iso blocks the light trail.

Charles jumps forward to activate the NW blue tile.

Round 2 movement over.

Guardsman didn't jump, and says he has range 2. He wants to know if a disabled light trail is going to stop him from using his range as opposed to just movement. Alison doesn't quite remember if that has been tested.

>Have recluse red glove them
He will be able to use them once per attack phase.

Round 2 Attack Begin

The second batch of enforcers has not yet spawned.

Okay, so the first batch of enforces didn't appear till the end of attack round 1. The next batch should show up in a moment, since there's no one in range for attacks.

...or only one group spawn at a time. Meaning we will have to kill these guys, and we probably won't make our teleportaion window.

I don't see the point is using red gloves yet if we can keep these guys penned up. Let's end phase and see if the 2nd group appears.

Good thing to test, we realy should have thought of that.

Next move phase Clarence should move to join guardsman. Alison should move right. Recluse should stay where he is to guard Clarence and Guardsman. One of the ones on the platform leading to the just appeared Enforcers should switch with Iso. And if its not our target he should block it. Atlas should return of course.

That would be a good thing to test, but Recluse is out of red glove range and Guardsman out of attack range so we should see who spawns on the next island before deciding on what to do next.

1/2 Alison 2012/07/12(Thu)15:59 No. 431611 ID: 44b4ea
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The new enforcers have appeared. The one on the right shouts.

They have Third Tiers!

It begins shouting all of Alison and company's stats.

2/2 Alison 2012/07/12(Thu)15:59 No. 431612 ID: 44b4ea
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Scanner does her thing.

End of Round 2

Still haven't found our quarry. Next platform, continue retreating our platform-activators and swapping in Iso to remove the light trails.

Alison and Co should move towards the center if she isn't already. The T2s should start moving towards the SE.

Charles should head back then Iso block them off (Switch to get into range). Everyone except for Clarice, and Gaurdsman should head towards the center. Recluse should stay within two of them so he heads down onto the same square.


Hmmm, looks like you can move after cancelling a light trail. Good that means one jumper will work. I was worried we'd have to wait an extra turn or two to get them into position.

Could we get what items we brought? With all that inventory space we should be able to burn through those glove scissors if it comes to that.

Looks like another group our tier twos could rush and destroy. Ethereal potion is a new one, wonder if since we've seen these it will be available in the shop.

This is looking like the worse case scenario more and more. If the next group doesn't contain our target we should consider wiping one of these out because this will get tricky if range works across cancelled trails.

1/4 Alison 2012/07/12(Thu)16:37 No. 431625 ID: 44b4ea
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Round 3 movement phase

All Enforcers move forward, including those in the NW section.

2/4 Alison 2012/07/12(Thu)16:38 No. 431626 ID: 44b4ea
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Spear swaps with Iso.
Charles returns.
Iso blocks the new trail.
Alison and Tier 3's begin moving towards the center, while the tier 2's begin moving to the center. With the exception of Guardsman, who insists on trying range. Shield moves forward to the NE blue tile.

No attacks can be made yet, and so Alison waits through the attack round.

3/4 Alison 2012/07/12(Thu)16:39 No. 431627 ID: 44b4ea
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Enforcers have spawned!

Scanner says that one of those looks like the quarry, but his stats have been changed!

4/4 Alison 2012/07/12(Thu)16:40 No. 431629 ID: 44b4ea
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Scanner tells the stats for the new batch.

Alison will begin taking stock of the items she has, but so far it looks as though everyone has a single red glove for evacuation purposes.

Have everyone move toward there, Guardsman included. We can test that later under less urgent circumstances. Actually, we can have Clarence test that now. If her attack is nullified by Immunity 1, then we know they can cross the blocked trails.

Found him. Everyone move towards him. Alison should demand he return Mako or else we'll Rend him out of him.

Zergrush etc. We're fine for time, we just need to make sure we get everyone over there. Also, it looks like Iso can stay behind with one T2 player and keep the light trails deactivated to prevent the other Enforcers from even following us.

Oh! And one of the T2 players should attempt right now to attack an Enforcer via the disabled light trail- if it works (and is blocked) then we have to get away from Enforcer 4's light trail immediately. He can instakill most of our army here. We should also move away from Enforcer 1's light trail eventually as he's got T3 Range 1.

>>431632
Oh and in fact, when testing range over disabled light trails, we need to make sure we're not within his range on that turn, so get off that tile next to the disabled light trail.

Alright good, not optimum but we can work with this, A slight problem, I see a red glove and Alison is extremely vulnerable to that. We need our tier 3s who can take him out to burn through that with red gloves and take him out before he uses it and we HAVE to rend him too.

Plan of action. We need a swapper within two range of each of the activated enforcer groups to swap Iso around. Plus one in a simliar spot by the target enforcer group.

Gaurdsman and Clarence move towards 4,5,6 one spot to test range.

Charles moves down so hes closer to the center then stays there.

Recluse should move towards Clarence and Gaurdsman and Red Glove the two range if range works or the platform maker if it doesn't.

Everyone else should head towards our target.

((Always Left has failed us, it was right this time.))

Oh my God JC. A Bomb!

What does the bomb do? oh man I have no idea what to do. Lets try to avoid clumping together until we know what that does.

>>431635
Scanner can cancel any T3 items within 3 squares of her. We're fine.

>>431637
Oh right, I forgot I made sure to include that, *phew*

>>431637
>>431638
It's better than that: the guy with the red glove is right next to a guy with Item Cancellation 2 but not Selective Item Cancellation.

>>431626
It says in the text Gaurdsman didn't move but on the map he has moved. Which is correct?

Modifying this so Shield swaps with Alison. Use a chain swap if need be. That Item Cancel works in our favor. Since there is a protector with them she shouldn't even bother hitting anyone but him. Use double offence since they can't hit back.

>>431650
Alison has T3 Range 2. We can't hit anyone immediately from where Shield is. Granted, if she moves forwards next round none of them can get within range of her either, but there's no indication that their protector is dumb enough to not move away. I think a better idea is to have Scanner swapped in so she can block that bomb immediately, whatever it does. She can just stay out of range while she's there, aside from moving forwards once to cover all squares. Then everyone else can catch up.

>>431629
Slight problem: Enforcer 7 is worth 11,100,000 CU. One of those stats needs downgraded.

>>431663
Heyyyy, you're right. What the hell's up with that?

probably another math 'error'

1/3 Alison 2012/07/12(Thu)19:28 No. 431699 ID: 44b4ea
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>Items?
Items are now updated at http://tgchan.org/wiki/Unnatural_Selection_Stats
Everyone has 1 red glove.

>It says in the text Gaurdsman didn't move but on the map he has moved
He did move after all.

>Enforcer 7 is overpowered
His rank in increased damage is now 2, instead of 3. Back to 10 million.

Round 4 Movement

Guardsman and Clarence stay at a range of 3 away to test out range. Everyone else begins moving, Tier 3's to run towards Enforcer 7.

Shield swaps position with Alison.

2/3 Alison 2012/07/12(Thu)19:28 No. 431700 ID: 44b4ea
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Round 4 Attack

Clarence attacks Enforcer 4! Enforcer 4 is immune to T1 Range!

3/3 Alison 2012/07/12(Thu)19:29 No. 431701 ID: 44b4ea
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Clarence says that although it didn't work, she was definitely able to attack past the disabled light trail.

Guardsman has a red glove, and he can still use it at the end of the attack phase before the next turn.

Alison 2012/07/12(Thu)19:36 No. 431704 ID: 44b4ea
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Fix: Shield was one farther away, and swapped with Scanner, not Alison.

Iso should be creating light trails now to hop over platforms to boost our speed, now that we know removing them won't quite lock down the Enforcers. We just have to keep ahead of them and take out the target fast.

Okay, looking back at when Enforcer used it last time, >>/quest/422341 disabled light trails seem to return after the move phase. That means we should be able to keep bouncing Iso back and forth re-severing the lines to keep the groups on the NW and SW islands trapped.

I'm not really sure what good Guardsman using the red glove is. We don't need those ones dead, and we can contain them. It's unnecessary risk, innit?

Disable the light trail that attaches to the path with the disabled light trail==buying time

Slight problem, Recluse was supposed to stay in the center to gaurd Clarice and Gaurdsman, AND Iso when he pops in... he is to far away. Recluse HAS to head back to the center. Clarice swaps with Iso to renew the cancel. IF RECLUSE DOESN'T SOMEONE DIES. AND IS RENDED.

>>431707
It was supposed to recluse who used the gloves but for some reason he was moved out of range.

New plan, Since Spear stayed still for some reason he is to swap with Recluse, Clarice swaps with Iso. Iso should renew the light trail cancel and Recluse should red-glove Enforcer 2. Tactics would be to do normal hits until out of armor then use block + double offence to reduce damage even further.

Everyone EXCEPT Charles can continue to head towards scanner. Atlas should swap with scanner so next turn he can place Alison there.

edit: Meant Atlas, not Gnoll

1/2 Alison 2012/07/12(Thu)20:17 No. 431724 ID: 44b4ea
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Clarence swaps with Iso, Spear swaps with Recluse! Various Tier 2's move and use teleport, and will be able to swap next turn.

Recluse uses a red glove on Enforcer 4! Enforcer 4 loses, and is slain!

2/2 Alison 2012/07/12(Thu)20:18 No. 431725 ID: 44b4ea
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Round 5 Attack

Recluse can choose to use a red glove on enforcer 4, who will likely use a range of 2 to reach Iso. Otherwise, he can also choose to protect and use block to take minimal damage.

Ya take out the 2 ranger. For some reason I typed 2 instead of 4. Recluse should attempt to absorb of course.

He's got Double Attack, that's gonna take off a sizable chunk no matter what. Use the glove, there's really no reason not to.

1/2 Alison 2012/07/12(Thu)20:35 No. 431730 ID: 44b4ea
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Recluse uses Red glove on Enforcer 4!

Round 1:

Enforcer 4 attacks Recluse for 840 damage!
Recluse attacks Enforcer 4 for 525

Recluse takes 210 damage!
Enforcer takes 525 damage!

Round 2

Enforcer uses double offense, and attacks Recluse for 1,680 damage!
Recluse attacks Enforcer for 525 damage!

2/2 Alison 2012/07/12(Thu)20:40 No. 431732 ID: 44b4ea
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Enforcer 4 is slain! Recluse returned to original (full) health.

Iso uses absorb! Enforcer 5, 6, Recluse and Iso use absorb!

Absorption deadlock!

Iso yells back to Alison saying that absorption is a constant action now - both he and Recluse have to keep on absorbing, or else either 5 or 6 are going to get 4. The problem is, is that Iso and Recluse can't take any actions while they're trying to absorb.

End of Round 5

We're not after that enforcer, let it go and block the light trial

>>431732
Drop it, the 5 million isn't worth keeping them on lockdown. Have Iso go and re-disable that light trail blocking the other two in that group.

Everyone else keep bunching up in preparation for the push.

Recluse looks smooth finishing off that enforcer.

They should let it go. Mako is more important and we have three other enforcers to kill.

Charles swaps with Iso. Iso renews that light trail. Spear should swap with Recluse again. The five next to the target swaps with Recluse, Alison, Gaurdsman, Healer and Scanner. Everyone else except Iso, Charles and Clarice moves towards the tier 3 group.

Alison and Gaurdsman should both Double Attack Enforcer 8 (Protector) who is in range.

edit: revisions to the plan since theres five waiting at the end. AND I misttyped which enforcer. AGAIN.

>>431732
Ask if they're all rend ghosting 4 or actually just absorbing 4
Tell enforcers to give up on the absorbtions, we're here for one enforcer only, everyone else is just in the way. While they have obvious loyalties to the system and won't betray information, is preventing CU gains really the priority they should be focusing on? That's a bit petty for the system, isn't it?

I mean, if they're all rend ghosting, that enforcer is fucked anyway, they're not getting their friend back unless they rend themselves, and then that person needs to get rended to get their rended friend back and create a loop. Do they really want that?

>>431732
Let them know that survival and getting Mako are top priority to the exclusion of anything else. If that means you need to stop absorbing in order to do something, don't hesitate to stop.

>>431732
Have Clarence swap with Iso so that he can maintain the block on the other group. If just Recluse isn't enough to maintain the deadlock then so be it.

Then have Guardsman and Alison move SW and Guardsman double offense Enforcer 5. Everyone near the NE light trail should move toward the center, too.

The turn after that Alison can move again to finish off E5 with double offense and Rend it while Guardsman double offenses E6.

>>431744
Our goal is Mako, better to concentrate on the group with Enforcer 7 then that group. The onyl reason we killed Enforcer 4 was because he could have killed Iso or one of the tier 2s.

Alison 2012/07/12(Thu)21:02 No. 431748 ID: 44b4ea
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>Rend or absorbing?
They are definitely trying to absorb Enforcer 4, not rend him. Still, Alison tells them that absorbing 4 is not a priority at all, so justlet it go.

Round 6 Movement

Charles swaps with Iso, who renews the NW light trail.

Various Tier 2's swap position with Tier 3's outside of Iso.

Enforcers 5 and 6 back away.

Enforcer 8 backs away while 7 and 9 take his spot.

It is the end of the movement phase, but Scanner and Healer can throw Alison and/or Guardsman an additional tile while Recluse can protect them.

Err even if he does protect them he will still die. Do a double attack on Enforcer 9.

The one we are after is #7, so let's eliminate 9 and maybe 8 first so they don't absorb block us

>>431748
No need to throw, just have Alison and Guardsman double offense E9 and have Scanner try to absorb whoever dies. We shouldn't need her for the fighting at this point.


>>431747
If we don't mind leaving on round 20, we had 14 rounds left to do other stuff. Killing those two would have taken three rounds, leaving us with 11, which is more than enough to take out those three enforcers. Hell, it might even have left enough time to take out some or all of that third group. It's a bit late now though, so if we don't want to take out Enforcers that we don't really need to then it's no big loss.

Theres an easy way to disrupt someone casting absorb... cancel platform. They have a choice. Move or die. And Iso has a free turn to do so.

>>431753

We've got the situation contained, let's go for the objective. Do this.

We can worry about burning extra turns to harvest more of them for CU if we get the chance, though I'd rather bail as soon as we can. Sticking around longer gives the system more time to throw in reinforcements (why should we expect it to play fair when we're attacking it?), or be ready to trace our teleport.

Alison 2012/07/12(Thu)21:31 No. 431768 ID: 44b4ea
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Alison and Guardsman use double offense on Enforcer 9 for 3,360 damage!

Enforcer 8 used protect! Enforcer 8 is slain!

Scanner uses Absorb! Scanner gains 5 million CU! (Capped)

Huh. That's odd. They didn't even try to block your absorb.

Welp, continue. Eliminate 9 and then 7, keep the other groups penned. Everything should be fine, so long as we're prepared to block the bomb, I think.

9 can't do anything bad with the red glove before we kill him, right?

All the Tier 5's jump forward. Recluse should get another glove and Red Glove Enforcer 9. He should Protect the entire platform. Alison, and Gaurdsmen should Double Attack and Rend Enforcer 7 and Healer should attack if Enforcer 7 as well if he remains in range. Vengeance is NIGH!.

Oh and Charles switches with Iso. Iso should disable the platform so they can't get across the gap unless they have float.

Heh, we just killed him with music.

Have our T3 group move forward and kill E7. With Alison and Guardsman using double offense, not even block will be able to save him. One of the nearby T2s should swap with Iso and everyone get closer to us, but no one should go onto the platform we're on right now in case E7 decides to come toward us.

Hrm... question about protector: when it says everyone on the platform, does it mean just friendlies or EVERYONE?

>>431773

Trapping our people on the island forces us to stay for at least 3 more turns (we all have to share a tile to tele out), when it looks like we'll be able to finish quicker than that.

I'll say it again- I don't think it's wise to stay longer than necessary. The system will try something if we give it the chance.

Not the Island the main group is on, the enforcer island... the leftmost one.

Alison 2012/07/12(Thu)21:51 No. 431784 ID: 44b4ea
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Enforcer 7 says that he is not surprised that Alison wanted to come back for Mako, but is surprised that she managed to do so.

He jumps backwards while 9 moves forward.

>Protector protecting everyone on the platform, or just friendlies?
Recluse actually does not know. Which is an inconvenient thing to not know, now.

Red Glove 9 with Recluse (hand him the glove) and Double Attack 7. Remember to Rend 7.

>>431768
Ask why are they defending each other against surely lethal hits if they are part of the system and will respawn anyway. It's not really strategically viable for each individual person on their team. What use is a protect ability on an Enforcer? They're all insanely, yet still equally powerful, it's not like they're aggroing away their guy with the big DPS, they're all heavy hitters.

I mean, they probably won't answer, but if they do, it'd be a nice insight into their motivations, which may reveal further information about the system than the enforcers will realize.

Well, logically, the system doesn't actually have a teams system. Friendlies are just the people you chose not to attack. So you wouldn't expect protect to discriminate.

A better question might be: is protect conscious or automatic? Does Recluse chose to activate it when available, or is he forced to?

Or we could just try to avoid finding out. 9's got pushback resistance, but can we just throw him away, Disgaea style? :V

>>431784
Let's find out now, then!

Recluse uses block and protects the platform.
Scanner deals 1 damage E9.
Alison and Guardsman both use double offense on E7 and Alison rends him.

Do we have anything we want to say to him before we rend him? Maybe say that we still hope we can consider him a friend even if we have to be enemies and offer to resurrect him if the others give us the CU we need to do so?

We don't really need to say anything honestly and I think its best to get rid of Enf. 9 right now... we can experiment with platform mechanics once we are safe.

That reminds me Iso has to renew the bottom trail block.

>>431784
Since 7 is talking, if we can't really coax anyone into answering any questions, call him a monster for what he did. No one should be subjected to what Mako went through, there was no practical reason to punish him like that. It's not even practical for getting rid of rebels like us, because look what the fuck happens when you punish rebels like that. You get this situation and no one's for the better, the enforcers are just off worse.

>>431784
Ask him why the Rend stuck even though he died last time. According to the rules of the ability, a Rend ends if the user dies without some way of bringing himself back to life. As far as we know, that only includes the 1up token, and since we didn't have to face him twice on that battlefield it seemed he didn't have one. Unless, I suppose, the fact that we weren't in a real stage made the 1up respawn mechanics work differently- maybe he respawned somewhere else?

From the scan data it APPEARS that he has no way of respawning on his own; someone would need to resurrect him. If he had a 1up, we'd be able to see it via that scan. So... we might be able to get Mako back without Rending him.

WAIT A MINUTE this guy knows Mako's name. How the hell does he know that? Demand to know what he's been doing to him. He needs to convince us that we don't need to Rend him; and also that Rending him would be the wrong thing to do. We have a measure of compassion- he needs to talk to us so we know what is right and what is wrong.

Alison 2012/07/12(Thu)22:16 No. 431808 ID: 44b4ea
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Before Alison and the rest finish them, she asks why they are defending each other if they will respawn anyway?

Enforcer 7 says that they are simply given their stats. They have not been tried in battle before. It is a grave oversight from the learning system. More importantly, they are kept alive while in the system, and it is a projection of themselves that are sent to fight in a stage. However, Alison is currently killing them in the system zone, where their original copies are stored. There is no resurrection for them from getting killed here.

The other Enforcer reminds him that silence is considered a virtue. Enforcer 7 says that they have lost already. He was intending on escaping back through the portal to preserve a contestant. How ironic it is, that Enforcer 8 sacrificed himself so readily, yet he would have been far more useful to stick around to be able to throw Enforcer 7 the rest of the way.

Alison asks how he knows Mako's name - at least as importantly, what precisely the Enforcer has been doing with Mako?
>"Learning."

By absorbing you I'll be preserving you instead... maybe we will escape this hell together.

creeeeeeeeeeeeepy

I think we should offer bringing back the enforcers we absorbed after we get Mako back

Like offer it now, saying we'll resurrect them when Mako's safely with Alison again. Don't require them to give the other half of the CU we'd need, just say if they can't cover it, that Alison will do it when she can, somewhere where the system could get the enforcer back if they want, like a stage or by a shopkeeper.

I think it would be a good step in making friends with them, in a way that, while they will in all likelihood continue to do their job, they might not rend our allies when doing so, as a show of mutual respect or something.

>>431808
We're learning too, to be honest. But more than that we're protecting, trying to give as many people as we can a chance to live. We have a safe zone that we're allowed to bring people related to the system to, though it's going to be a bit vacant for a little bit longer. We'll be leaving twelve or thirteen rounds from now at the most, but if anyone would rather be there than here we can resurrect them there if we get them in our absorption pool before we go.

>>431814
I disagree, they are all enemies and they all have Rend Ghost. They WILL kill us given the chance. Its better have them as ghost companions for now.

>Learning

Okay, that's not creepy at all. Now, on the one hand, this is bad: 7 has confirmed that in some way, the system is stupid. Letting it learn from us is a bad thing. On the other hand? We're getting his ghost. And if he's realizing how broken the system is, maybe he's subvert-able.

Also: enforces don't get rez-ed if they die here. This actually gives us a good reason to stick around- take these guys out before they can be used against later. We're sinking their fleet while it's still in port. Of course, this is arguably needless death, and the system probably has tons more enforcers where these came from.

Alison 2012/07/12(Thu)22:27 No. 431819 ID: 44b4ea
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Alison lets him know that by absorbing him, he can be preserved instead. She'll even bring back the other enforcer that was absorbed, just for Mako.

Enforcer retorts saying that the fact that Alison did not get a ghost from her absorption last time was not because that was a copied projection. He does not leave ghosts behind. Not from the boon 'No Ghost'. 'No Ghost' is a misnomer, and prevents a copy from being taken. Enforcers simply do not have a ghost to begin with.

>>431819
Ask why he rended Mako. What's the point? It's going to get him killed, as well as others if they continue attacking their friends in that way.
We can come here now. It's too much of a risk to ever rend a ghost.

>>431819
And we have no choice but to kill him to get Mako back... thats sad. Thats really sad. Tell him I wish you hadn't forced me to choose between you and Mako. I am sorry. We won't kill any more enforcers here. Then strike him down. Tell the other enforcer he is free to leave... they all are. Myabe we'll see them in a stage where death is less permenant for them.

>>431819

Does he know that for a fact, or is that just what he's been told? Because that seems like an excellent lie to control Enforcers- give them no hope of survival outside the system. For their reaction, no one has ever attacked, and therefore adsorbed Enforcers in a system zone before. He therefore cannot know it's true.

Allison- check this. Is Enforcer 8 available from your resurrection menu?

So, it sounds like Rend doesn't do much of anything to these guys here, as they have no ghosts elsewhere. It sounds like using Rend on them in other locations would affect their copy here though.

>>431819
So... these guys have no ghosts. If we kill him he's just dead. Um.

Keeping people alive has been our goal from near the beginning. Ask him two more things: 1) Is Mako being mistreated? and 2) Does he care about dying?

"un-rend him and we'll leave"

>>431831
He can't, he doesn't have resurrect, and we aren't leaving without Mako.

>>431819
Apologize, but it's the only way to get back your friend. Kill him, absorb him. Tell other enforcers that we value our friends very much, and hope to avoid this needing to happen again.

The bug fixes they sometimes have the Shopkeeper perform show they can alter things. Can he have himself given Resurrection so that he can bring Mako back himself? Then we won't have to kill him.

Alison 2012/07/12(Thu)22:51 No. 431840 ID: 44b4ea
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Alison does not feel that she has Enforcer 8.

Alison asks what the point of Rending others is. He explains that they are only sent out to people who have gone, presumably intentionally, to places they are not supposed to be.

So, they are supposed to Rend everyone, so that they may be removed from the stages, but not be lost forever. Since he has lost by the end of this turn, he would return Mako since it wouldn't make a difference. He does not have a methodology to do so. He does not have resurrection. If he could have once decided to have resurrection, then he can't anymore. It would be his sole regret.

She asks the enforcer if Mako is being mistreated, but he says that he is not. It is virtually impossible to do anything more than harass him or make him 'uncomfortable', as it is in the stages. And there is no point in that.

As for if he cares about dying, he simply says he would like to avoid it. Enforcers are made to not care, but he has learned a bit too much, and that apathy has gone away. Which may be difficult. If Alison doesn't do him in, he will be hunted by the system, as he has said too much. He is likely considered an ill suited enforcer now, and doubts that he can escape into the stages.

Which is more words than he has ever otherwise spoken in his life, several multitudes over, and doesn't care to talk anymore. Will Alison finish him after all?

Would he like to come with us? He could get resurrect through chest runs. He would most likely have to face other enforcers but he would have us by his side and he could continue to learn.

This could be a trick of course but I think we should take the chance if he is agreeable.

>>431843
I love this idea, but feel that if we do this, we should wait to head back until we wouldn't be going straight to the sanctuary.

We could offer to take him with us. We have space for 15 people. Then we get him resurrection by doing chest runs.

Failing that, it's also possible that if Glitcher has direct access to him, an alternate means of recovering Mako could be devised.

Of course, while there are probably benefits to be had from subverting a system insider, Corrupter and co will likely be *quite* irked if we take the risk of bringing him back with us.

Ask him if he knows how the system would find him were he to try to escape into the stages. Would they have to find him manually or through the Shopkeeper, or can they just lock onto him directly no matter where he goes?

No, but we can't bring him with us back to the sanctuary. If he's killed by the system, we'll get Mako back anyway, so how does this sound:

We tell the enforcer to meet us in our bracket (the non-sanctuary safe zone), teleport back to the santuary with everyone (not the enforcer) and tell the Corruptor/Glitcher/housemates/Arbiter what went down, and ask if they want to try pulling the enforcer into Smuggler's Sanctuary, or making ANOTHER sanctuary thing if they think that's too dangerous, or if they have some other ideas

I doubt the system will allow him to do anything like that... most likely he will be purged and he'll be dead anyway.

We can't avoid difficulty by going strait to the secondary sanctuary. If we wait and random tele out, we're in real trouble, because with no ghost the Enforcer can't suicide home with us. We'd be stuck in the worst case scenario we were hoping to avoid- doing foreign brackets until we stumble across Outsider or one of his ilk. Although, I suppose we could send one person home via ghost as a messenger, and hope the Outside can then pick us up.

>>431840
Finish him for Mako. We have killed other players and i think that's worse then killing what is effectively a moderator for the system even if he is only doing as he is told.

He will be hunted by the system, which means he will eventually die and Mako will be unfrozen...

I don't think we should kill him. Not now that he has become more than he was designed to be. We can't take him back to the Sanctuary either, as that would expose it to System attack, but what we can do is wait until our item expires and turns into a random evac. We could use that to get him into the stages so he can escape. After that we would have to escort him through the stages until we rejoin our bracket.

Of course that means we need to survive until it expires. Iso keeping those two other groups on lockdown will work okay, but one of them has range and items. It could be troublesome.

On the other hand he's one tile away from his own escape route- if just leaves then that's it.

So basically he can accept our help or we kill him- we're not letting him go back. Also we should ask Healer for her opinion, and I suppose everyone else. This is a bit of a big decision.

If we can preserve him and get Mako back as well I say we do everything in our power to. We've always been about preserving life. However I am not willing to leave Mako in the systems tender mercies either. So either he comes with us or dies.

Argh, right in the compassion!

I... I just don't know.

>>431856
Too much risk involved in that and I worry about what will happen to everyone while we are gone. besides, like you said, he'd die anyway. best to kill him now, get Mako back and get out.

also him in a random bracket means he would have a huge unfair advantage and unlike us might use it to kill players. Also also, a rouge player with rend ghost could be bad when we don't have him under our control.

There's also an added risk for any of us running around in foreign brackets. The system is likely to notice the intrusion of new overpowered characters. Which likely means we'll be harried by more enforcers on the way out. We'll risk losing more people until we return.

>>431864
We'd be going with him, there is only one item to return with. However we can use ghosts as messengers, it'd mean killing one of our own to send them back but I bet they can find the Arbiter or Chief when they sleep since they will be checking for us when we don't show right away. And the fact that the Glitcher found the Compassionate Enforcer once means he could do it again. It might take a few cycles but there it is.

Finish him!

Okay. I'm going to stop dithering with possibilities and vote.

If we can talk him into it, we random tele out with the enforcer. The potential benefits of subverting an un-ghost-absorbable system insider is worth the risk of running around a little, and letting our house run itself. And we can't risk taking him to the sanctuary in a direct tele- we have to wait till we can take him strait to the ancillary one where we've got smuggler.

If he turns down, apologize. Then kill him.

>>431869
I wouldn't call him an insider, he seems to know very little besides what he needs to do his job.

Alison came here to free Mako and shes not leaving till she does that.

...dammit.
>>431856 here.

The more I think about this situation the more convinced I am that we have to at least give this guy a chance to escape the System. Though it's a long shot, as we have no way of guaranteeing that we can even get him Resurrect, and if he absorbs anyone we can't get to those ghosts retroactively. If he absorbs someone that hasn't been absorbed by anyone else, and he doesn't get Resurrect then dies, that ghost vanishes with him along with all the retroactive ghosts. I guess we would have to make him promise to at least cooperate with someone who can absorb his kills so that it isn't a worry, if he can't avoid people dying. Also of note is that if he ever runs into a situation where there is only room for one person to exit the level, the best option is for him to sacrifice himself so that no ghosts are locked into a no-resurrect situation. We can in fact check if he's absorbed someone, by getting him to consent to a Banditry attack on him; if he's carrying CU that means he absorbed someone. Once/if he gets Resurrect we can then ensure that he resurrects everyone he absorbed, as we can compare his carried CU with the value of those he resurrects.

Simply letting him go isn't really an option though- we would lose major points amongst those who are counting on us to get Mako back. We would have to assume he would eventually die, but nobody knows when that is so everything would be left up in the air, frustrating everyone. Even he isn't really happy with that option.

>>431871
Being a system insider isn't about information; it is about having a link to the system like Smuggler had before we killed him.

Apologize for it having to come to this, and then kill and absorb him. It may even be possible to gain a ghost, and if any Enforcer has gained one it would be Enforcer 7.

Alison 2012/07/13(Fri)10:53 No. 431945 ID: 44b4ea
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Alison attempts to save everybody.

She asks the Enforcer how the system tracks him, if the system would always know where he is no matter what. 7 doesn't know. He is prepared to detach from the system, despite his purpose. He doesn't know how, though. When asked if he can join with her later, he says that there must be a way that the system teleports people to specific brackets, but he hasn't been privy to that.

So she takes out her non-inventory items. The normal teleporter on the right, between her safe zone and the corrupted sanctuary. She doesn't recall how this works, if it works from any safe zone to the sanctuary, or if it is specifically her stage 5 safe zone.

Then there is the current timed teleporter on the left. The glitcher did not elaborate on how it worked, but it does mention how long it has until its tracker expires.

Both of them have latches on the bottom. She expects that she is able to tamper with them, if she wishes to go down that road.

If nothing else, she may be able to mess with her original teleporter quickly enough, and if nothing comes of it, use her new teleporter before the rounds are up to get back to the sanctuary that way.

Open up your original teleporter. Lets take a look at the glitchers work.

We should also turn to the Enforcer 9 and ask him if he is going fight. If he is have Healer, Scanner and Recluse attack, if not allow him to retreat.

Oh, great. There's a scenario I didn't expect. Tampering with the teleportation system. Highly dangerous glitcher type work, without relevant knowledge, skill, or safeguards. Best case, we can find a way go right to right to the ancillary corrupted sanctuary, or to the safe zone Outside originally recruited us by. Neutral case- we just end up random telporting ourselves. Bad case- we break the telporters and are stranded. Worst case- glitcher accident worse than death.

Okay. We have two teleporters. T1 and T2. We know exactly how T2 will work- if we use it before the timer expires, we return to the corrupted sanctuary. This is unacceptable, and we cannot risk it. If we wait till after the timer expires, it can be used to random teleport to an unknown bracket.

T1 is intended to move between two specific locations. We have no idea what happens if we activate it in a 3rd zone. It may take us to either of the two destinations, it may do nothing, it may break the device, it may random teleport us, or it could glitch kill us.

Now, both T1 and T2 give coodinates for specific zone. I think what we want to do is alter T2 so it evacuates us to the safe zone, instead of the corrupted sanctuary. Once there, we can move everyone where we want them easily.

Open T1, carefully. See what the insides look like, hopefully it's a puzzle we can solve. Leave T2 alone at first, so we can still use random tele as a plan B if we break T1 examining it.

Yeah, open up the original teleporter. Take a look at everything written on them as well, any information about how they work is information that may help us.

Tell Enforcer 9 that he may as well stand down. He can't defeat even one of us by himself, and even if he doesn't mind dying there's still no reason to do it right now.

I think we should still have Recluse and Scanner test if protector would also protect E9 like I suggested earlier, though.

Just a though- Is time a concern in this? We can tamper indefinitely without ending turn, and advancing the clock, yes? Because otherwise solving this is gonna be like defusing a bomb.

Remember that we all have to be on one tile to teleport out. Be prepared to pull in outlying people when time starts to run out.

>>431949
As to that Iso should renew both lines, then have someone who is fairly close to the main group with teleport available swap with him. Everyone shold thene retreat to the island with Enforcer 7 at best possible speed (teleporting). Iso can block off the island by disabling both the line and the two connecting platforms while we fiddle. Unlike the enforcers who have an exit point we don't have to go to the center to leave.

>>431949
I think each turn has a time limit on decision making, so we are on the clock, but thirteen turns is still a while.

We should just start pulling in outlying people now, though. Iso can block this island's light trail once everyone's here to prevent the other Enforcers from interfering. Strongarm should swap position with Iso, since all of the T2s will be able to teleport again two turns from now.

Alison 2012/07/13(Fri)11:41 No. 431955 ID: 44b4ea
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>Ask about enforcer 9
He admits that he has lost, and there is little point in aggravating Alison further. He will return from where he came.

>Look for any directions
The only thing Alison can find on the outside is written between the latches. "Do not touch, do not look at, do not think about."

So she does all of them at once. During this, everyone will move to enforcer 7's island so that the other enforcers will still be held at bay, but everyone will still be grouped together.

Alison looks at the inside of the original teleporter. It is almost entirely hollow. The red part is where the button pushes down, and all other circles are unlabeled. They also look like buttons. Or platforms.

Use the block light trail ability on the line from the red button to the "corruption" button, get everyone together (including enforcer) and use it

It should take you back to your safe zone

Dangit, there's no soft coordinates we can alter. It looks like we're going to have to transfer components. We need to take the node that corresponds to the safe zone from T1, and replace the node for the corrupted sanctuary in T2.

Take a look at T2, I guess. Hopefully it's similar in construction. (Bottom, two locations, and an extra bit for the timer).

Can you see if those are actually light trails? Can Iso's ability break it?

>>431955

I think that's too hasty.

>>431956
How the hell did you think of that? Alirght I want to see if it works.

If it doesn't open up the other teleporter, there is probably a platform that represens this space. Switch it with the one that represents the corrupted sanctuary and try that.

>>431955
>directions
Actually, I was talking more about that number that was written on both. It doesn't look like we'll be able to make use of it anyway, though.

"From Point" and "To Corruption"? He can't even label these things in a way that makes sense?

It doesn't look like just opening it up will break it, so open the other one up and see what it looks like.

I think we're going to have to have Iso make and block light trails so that we can use the second teleporter to go to "From Point".

Alison 2012/07/13(Fri)12:01 No. 431963 ID: 44b4ea
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Round 9
Iso catches up, using block light trail. It appears to work, as Alison opens up the other one to put them side by side.

Close the temporary one. Get everyone together and use your temporarily modified normal teleporter

>>431963
Okay, so "Start Point" is our bracket, "To Corruption" is the Sanctuary, and "From Point" must therefore be the ancillary sanctuary.

Now, he said that we won't be able to use our normal teleporter outside of our bracket, so I think we should use the button on the temporary teleporter. Block the light trail leading to that black mass and make a new one leading to "From Point" in the first teleporter.

Oh, fuck me.

Okay, my guess:

T1: Red button activates. Purple checks your current location, and acts as an if statment to alter behavior of the rest. The blue ones are coordinates- corruption is the sanctuary, 'from point' is the safezone we were recruited at.

T2: Power, destination, and a godawful black box that has the system space destination, whatever homes in on E7, and our timer.

What we want to do: replace the 'to corruption' in T2 with the 'from point' in T1, if it's possible to do so without damaging the tangled black box.

>>431570
>How did contestants get here?
>>431611
>They have Third Tiers!
>>431808
>"Learning."
I wonder if it's significant that the Enforcers can 'talk' like only the Outsider and Corrupter previously have.

>>431964
I agree, before meddling with what man was not meant to know lets see if blocking the trails will work.

Alison 2012/07/13(Fri)12:17 No. 431969 ID: 44b4ea
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>Auxillary bracket
Oh, Alison forgot about that one. There is no set inventory space for these, but she can still put them away like regular items.

She opens the auxillary sanctuary teleporter that goes between the smuggler and the main sanctuary. She starts putting ideas out for Iso to try making light trails and disabling others, but Iso reminds her that he can only block or create once per turn.

Everyone move closer, spend the next two rounds blocking the light trails between "From Point" and "To Corruption" on your normal teleporter, just to be sure you go to the right place.

Okay, T3 is exactly the same as T1, just with the ancillary corrupted sanctuary instead of the safe zone. (Shouldn't T3 have 2 lines connecting 'smug' and 'corr'? Either it's an art error, or Glitcher streamlined the design.)

New plan: replace T2 'to corruption' with T3 'smug'. Should take 3 turns, 2 cuts, one connect.

...can you tell if a single light trail connects 'to correction' to the black box? Severing the line won't destroy the entire nest of lines, will it?

Alright... This will give the other enforcers a chance to attack so we should tell them if they do so they will die. We've proven we can take them out even with five of them. Most of them lack first strike and only one of them is immune to it. Furthermore they would lose two people minimum trying to reach us thanks to our reach.

>>431969
I revise my earlier statement. "Start Point" must just check if we're already in one of it's destinations and refuse to teleport us if we aren't. That, or it's a needed function that the temporary teleporter's replaced with that black mass. Or maybe it is our bracket, since we were able to go straight from there to the auxiliary. That would leave me with no idea what "From Point" does, though.

I definitely think we need to connect the temporary teleporter to the Smug. platform. The question is, do we connect the button or the black mass?

I think we can safely spend up to six turns tinkering, so let's try block the line between the button and the black mass.

>>431973
It'll take them several turns to reach us. If they decide to mess with us, we can deal with them then.

>>431974

'From point' has to be our initial safe zone coordinates. The only difference between T1 and T3 is one toggles between SZ / C and the other toggles between C / A. So logically, the one thing that should be different is the coordinates for the SZ or A. Therefore 'from point' is the SZ coordinates.

'current location' obviously checks or stores our current location. It probably acts as an if, saying which way to then go. It may act as a safety, disallowing teleport if you're elsewhere. But it may not.

Severing the power button from the black mass does nothing but waste a turn. I assume you meant we should try and sever 'to corruption' from the black mass?

(SZ = safe zone, C = corrupted safe zone, A = ancillary corrupted safe zone, if it's not clear).

Here are the options we have available. I don't think its possible to actually move the platforms around, they are most likely immovable. However we might be albe to use create light trail between boxes.



1) Use Disable Light Trail to block all the light trails to the corrupted sanctuary in the original teleporter and press the button.

2) Use Disable Light Trail in the auxilery teleporter to the corrupted sanctuary. Press the button.

3) Create light trail between the smuggler's sanctuary and the system space. Disable the light trail on the corrupted sanctuary. Press the temporary teleporter button.

1 and 2 might not work as this IS system space. And the 'start position' is a bit unclear on how it works, much like certain zones have their own rules the glitcher probably put his there as well. The temporary teleport however, despite the snarl of light trails its, actually the simplest, probably because it WAS a rush job.

((We could instead link it to From Space if people think exposing ANY sanctuary is too dangerous.))

>>431979

1) is not feasible. By the time we cut the last light trail, the first would return. We'd need a second person with the cut light trail ability. (Assuming we have to cut the purple safety / location checker out too, which I'd think you'd need to).

2) I think the safety would either kick in and stop us, or we'd be random ported, or horrible gitch death. It might work, but we're setting up a different wiring configuration. We don't know what that would do. 3) is a simpler change- we just alter the coordinates.

3) I say this is the best option. I think we need the squiggle mass to move in and out of system space. The other teleporters just move us around the player accessible areas.

My vote's for 3.

Just to be clear I vote 3 as well.

>>431977
Actually it's because I was thinking of the black part and all of those light trails as the same thing, and was just there to make it hard for the system to find us on the way back/dump us in a random bracket if we take too long. Looking at it a bit more and comparing it to the other teleporters, the black bit must be the system space, and the light trails on top of it a bunch of branching trails to throw off the system with the branch that heads to the Sanctuary being turned off once the timer runs out.

Since there's technically only one light trail connecting the button to both the System Space and the Sanctuary, we'll probably have to block the trails and then make two more, one connecting the button to the System and another connecting the button to the Auxiliary. That'll take three turns, which is just enough time to get out before things start undoing themselves.

Suggestion 2012/07/13(Fri)13:37 No. 431985 ID: d8f016
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Okay, this is getting hard to do in text.

This is what I think we need to do. I can't actually tell if that's one light path with a branch we need to cross out and replace, or two. We need to test severing to corruption from the squiggle to see.

I am pretty sure we don't need to mess with that trail, that is purely a domain of the auxiliery box.

You want to leave 'smug' connected to the rest of T3? That *might* do nothing, or it could have unknown effects, since that results in a new wiring diagram.

I mean, really, what we *want* to do is rip 'smug' out, rip 'to corruption' out, and plug 'smug' in 'to corruption's place. But we have no way to "unplug" lines / wires from platforms, or to move platforms (it's probably not safe to actually touch these things). So we're limited to cutting / adding wires, and trying to reproduce patterns we know work while swapped to the nodes. We can't risk seeing what happens with new patterns.

...actually wait. Can we just cast swap position on the two platforms?

1/2 Alison 2012/07/13(Fri)13:55 No. 431991 ID: 44b4ea
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Round 10

>Swap position
This swaps people, not platforms.

Iso cuts a light trail on the upper right, from the tangled mess to the 'To Corruption.'

At first it appears to work, but one of the tangled light trails whips out to the Corruption button.

2/2 Alison 2012/07/13(Fri)13:55 No. 431992 ID: 44b4ea
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It snags on, and the disabled light trail detaches and begins writhing with the others.

this is silly, why do we even trust him? I hope you people aren't doing something stupid.

Hell.

Okay. Different tact. Try attaching 'smug' to the tangled mass, and sever it's attachment to it's native box. Then remove platform on 'to corruption' so it can't be re-snagged.

Lets see if we can't attach a light trail from the red button to the Smug.

Damn. And there's too many light trails to disconnect all of them.

Let's try using the Auxiliary teleporter, then.

Disable the light trail connecting to the Sanctuary, then create a trail connecting the button to the System area.

>>431970
Just... do this, and renew the original block since it'll run out after wasting a turn messing with the UNSTABLE TELEPORTER

Seriously, only mess with the original teleporter. Close the others back up!

Guys, stop and think about how light trails work for a second. I think we need to have our current area connected to the button we use for it to work. That's the only explanation for how we could possibly be stranded if we end up in a bracket other than our own.

Suggestion 2012/07/13(Fri)14:18 No. 432004 ID: d8f016
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<- We can do this in 3 turns. 2, if we can get the spaghetti to grab 'smug' for us, instead of having to draw a line ourselves.

I know the squiggles are scary guys, but I really think T1 and T3 are only good for getting around player areas. We need the black hole to get in and out of system space.

Just cutting parts out the simple swap teleporters isn't gonna work.

>>432000
adding on, give someone else the timed teleporter to get back to the C. Santuary since, y'know, time compression means it'll be a while over there when we bring Enforcer to the non-corrupted safe zone as an intermediate step

>>432004
>>432003

Exactly...

Wait a minute, did the Enforcer just say he's not disconnected from the system yet? If that's the case then teleporting him to the smuggler's sanctuary will definitely result in it getting compromised.

The whole point of it existing is to be compromised, if necessary. That, and to go to the safe zone instead, we'd need to cut 'from point' free and wire it in instead of 'smug'.

That would take 4-5 turns, instead of 2-3. We can't do that- lines would start reappearing.

>>432012
We could, on the other hand, use Remove Platform on the original teleporter's Corruption platform to make it only lead to the safe zone.

>>432019
So basically, we use Remove Platform on the corruption platform, then link the From Point up to the tangle to ensure that we actually get out of here properly, then remove the corruption platform in the temp teleporter.

End state: No corruption platform in the original or temporary teleporters, and the temp teleporter's tangle is linked to the From Point.

Alison 2012/07/13(Fri)16:30 No. 432056 ID: 44b4ea
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.... to be level with herself, Alison has no idea what to do anymore. She'll start with a basic question. Will she touch the temporary teleporter anymore, or leave it out of further tampering?

I think we have no choice but to use it. It's the only thing that connects to System Space. If we try anything else I bet we get shunted to a random bracket.

I honestly don't think we need to tamper with it. From what I can tell, the tangle is both the timing mechanism and the pointer to our destination. The other teleporters should be able to get us out of our current location.

>>432056
Yes. We probably need the the System platform to act as a source. I have a possible alternate, but it might not work that way.

I've been thinking, and I think that "Start Point" may actually be wherever we are when we try to teleport, but with a one-way light trail to keep the button from pulling us from it. That basically means it's supposed to just be an emergency exit if our destination is unavailable for some reason so that we don't get stranded in a random bracket. If we give it a normal light trail and block the one heading to the Sanctuary, then we might be able to use it as a source.

Whether we use the System Space or Start Point as a source, though, we need both source and destination connected to the button we use, not to each other with one connected to a button. The button seems to pull us from whichever (if either) area we're in and then try to deposit us in the other one. If there's no second area, we're shunted to the Start Point and end up back where we started. If that's not there, either, we're lost and end up in a random bracket.

1/2 Alison 2012/07/13(Fri)17:00 No. 432072 ID: 44b4ea
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Alison decides to still tamper with the temporary one.

>>432056

Yes, she should touch it further.

If you look back at this post:

>>431113

Glitcher gave us two teleporters for this mission. One to take us to the Enforcers. That one was used, and apparently consumed in the process. And one to get us out- the temporary teleporter.

Therefore, since the temporary teleporter was specifically designed to get us out, we need it to get out.

I don't know how to make it any simpler.

All we have want to do is change the temporary teleporter's escape location so we don't risk everyone at the corrupted sanctuary.

Using the either of the other two teleporters by themselves (ie, cutting out half of a swapper) won't work. If it were that simple, the temporary teleporter would just be a red button tied to a destination. Since it isn't, we can safely assume that configuration doesn't work. We need the tangled mess in the temporary teleporter to get out.

>>432004

I still think this is the best plan.