Yeah, like ditching these guys while they "negotiate" and tracking the drake to its lair afterward.

We could just change to a sweet spear. or a sword.
Then when you pass by, let the thing rob you of us.
Then we'll shadowless strike it in the neck.
Easy peasy.

Are drakes that weak? It's surprising that one thinks it can be easily taken like that.

We could always try and trick it into eating sulphur. Then it'll go to a nearby river and drink until it explodes!

Hmm how about we have one guy guiding the sheep forward posing as a Shepard and the other two wait until the moment the Drake is distracted to attack.

>>823298
Everything with a jugular is that weak.

I mean we're a nigh unbreakable emerald sword.
Our blade can probably be near infinitely sharp like a macuahuitl's, but with the benefits of being made of a much harder material that magically can't lose its edge.


There is the chance though that there's just so much flesh in the things neck that in our Level 1 state we can't cut deep enough with a shadowless, or that the things scales are harder than beryl. Though as a spear we could just shadowless into its eye. As a forked spear, we could shadowless into both.

Cabosh 2017/08/17(Thu)11:21 No. 823479 ID: b59d3d
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Leon start bouncing ideas off of Rook.


>>823295
Leon: How about tracking the drake to its lair?

Rook: We could do that, if you know to track drakes? No? Besides cornering the drake would be a bad idea.


>>823297
There is no way I am letting go of you until you pledge yourself to my cause to the very end.


>>823299
Rook: Where are we gonna get enough sulfur? And how would you trick even the densest drake to eating sulfur?


>>823315
Rook: There is no way we can sneak up on a drake, its senses are too sharp.


>>823298
Rook: Well I mean compared to like true magical creatures like Elementals or Spirits or Demons.

Clip: Or anything that can fly like uhh Wyverns, Gryphons or Amphipteres.

Rook: Then yes you could call drakes weak. Swamp drakes poisonous breath is the main threat, we get protection against it and it is just a slow big lizard.
The method to fighting something like that is to exhaust it by harassing it with spears and arrows while dodging it's attacks before going for killing blows.
Also in my experience beasts have a low morale when it comes to fighting and are quite happy to giving up or running away when things don't go well for them.

>>823325
Rook: I know me and Clip can handle ourselves but im not so sure about you Leon.

Leon: Well I have my magical weapon and I can strike magically from a distance with it.

Rook: Really? Care to show me?

Cabosh 2017/08/17(Thu)11:22 No. 823480 ID: b59d3d
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Rook: That tree is about as thick as a drakes neck i'd say. Why don't you give it a few magical swings and see what happens.

Alright Bolek, lets try out a sword and the spear thing atleast. Maybe an axe or something too?

>>823479
>Where are we gonna get enough sulfur? And how would you trick even the densest drake to eating sulfur?
You put the sulphur in a sheep's carcass and the drake eats it.

>>823480
[Turn into a naginata]

Shadowless Strike on that tree!

>>823480
Claymore and then pike shadowless strikes. Let's see how well we fare.

>>823484
>Japanese bladed weapons for chopping
>Japanese bladed weapons for anything that isn't lightly armored flesh
Even if we're magically unbreakable, the shape of the blade isn't ideal and I get the feeling we'll want every advantage we can get, just in case.

>>823480
Turn into a Halberd (Swiss version.) its the best of both worlds if you want a spear and an axe.

Wonder sword powers, activate! Form of: a chainsaw!

Summon Whirligig Saw

We can't exactly make mobile parts! We've tried that before. Can't exactly make a saw that does well enough if we can't even make a single moving part

*Turn into claymore and shadow strike*

>>823492
Almost forgot. Shadow Strike.

Gonna second the Claymore. And Shadow Strike, obviously.

Chainsword and guys it's called shadowLESS strike.

>There is no way I am letting go of you until you pledge yourself to my cause to the very end.

Then impress us, oh wise and mighty dragon dicked emperor to be.

1/3 Cabosh 2017/08/20(Sun)16:02 No. 823999 ID: ec9e13
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Rook and Clip stay a safe distance away while Leon attacks the tree.

>>823484
Oh a naginata I know this weapon. Alright you do your thing Bolek and ill just... Pose I guess?

...

>>823490
Claymore huh, this blade seems familiar from somewhere?

Rook: Hey it's a Greatsword! I have fought with one of those.

2/3 Cabosh 2017/08/20(Sun)16:03 No. 824000 ID: ec9e13
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This 30 second wait between strikes is kinda annoying though.

...

>>823492
Leon: Look at this guys! I don't even need to be looking at the tree to hit it!

3/3 Cabosh 2017/08/20(Sun)16:04 No. 824001 ID: ec9e13
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>>823500
Uhh whirly-what ? It's just a disk with teeth on it, doesn't seem to be that effective.

...

>>823820
This is just seems silly. And yes it's called shadowLESS because it is invisible. Duh.

Well now I have a good grasp on the range of the shadowless strike. An invisible 'kill-zone' around me so to speak.

We should be a naginata so that Leon may use us as a weapon in addition to our Shadowless Strike, or a halberd so that we can do the most damage possible.

Leon if we could... convince... this opponent that following you is a better idea, would you be open to that?

what if you swung and we used a shadowless strike right at the same time we hit the tree? two for one the impact site.

>>824001
Damnit, those pointy bits are supposed to MOVE. The material seems to have issues with generating complex moving parts. Or maybe it needs fuel before it can move without shapeshifting. Try to find oil.

>>824021
We can't even generate beads that'll become flexible, why would OIL suddenly mean we can move! We don't have any complex parts.

Anyways, Naginata.

Alright, take a look at how deep each cut was. Tell us what the best two weapon types were. I don't trust my eyesight from the range we're looking at it right now.

For a drake you'll want us to be a Naginata, Halberd, or pole-axe. We do not have the requisite weight required to be a hammer or sidearm axe, and swords are a poor weapon choice against beasts. Polearms are your friend in this fight.

Try swinging us at the tree. I want to see what happens when we shadowless strike at the exact moment of impact.

Cabosh 2017/08/20(Sun)22:09 No. 824087 ID: ec9e13
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>>824011
>>824047
Leon swings at the tree as hard as he can, just before impact the shadowless strike hits the tree. The naginata sinks one third into the tree!

Weapon art learned [Double Strike]!

Opa! Double striking the same spot is very effective! I bet a strike like that could pierce armor and shields too.

>>824021
You aren't made out of metal so you aren't going to rust right? So no need to oil or coat your blade.

>>824036
The deepest cuts were made by the naginata and the halberd, I think it is because they had the longest shafts? The Spear thrust was about a finger deep.

>>824005
I mean, maybe? More followers would be better but they don't really let magical beasts like Drakes walk into towns and certainly not into the Capital. And how much would it cost to keep fed?

>>824087
Alright!

Now let's-

Uh oh. Uhhh, Leon? I think we're stuck. .....yep, definitely stuck. Well, this is embarrassing. Could you, uh, you know, pull us out?

You might need to yank really hard.

>>824089
If we're stuck couldn't we just turn into something smaller like a knife?

>>824090
We can only change shape, we can't change size.

Turning into a knife will just make us a really big knife, which is more commonly called a "sword".

If we're picking a battle for I'm going for a Bishamon Yari.

Let's turn into something short and tick to either expand the wood to either break the tree or create enough space to release the weapon when we revert to a naginata. What about a giant version of a triangular knife?

Well, we're stuck, but I think we can just shift our shape into something real thin and you can pull us out. ...Or maybe... Hm... I wonder how much force our shape-shifting can exert. Don't pull us out just yet, Leon, I want to test this. [Shift blade head to add uniform small spikes to sides (for grip) and continually increase thickness of blade] Lets see if we can push the gap wider to crack the trunk open. Failing that, [return blade to naginata form, then shift blade head so blade edge is oriented parallel to tree trunk and keep widening the blade head] Lets see if we can break out a chunk of the trunk.

We can change shape which means we can make the blade thinner or push ourselves out. We're not stuck.

>>824102
Shhhh! Let's just see if Leon's physically strong enough to pull us out on his own before we change shape and make it easier for him!

We don't need to be oiled but maybe we like it, have you thought about that Leon?

Anyway getting stuck in is no problem, we just change shape so we slide right out.

>>824087
I have no idea how much a drake eats, but as you may or may not have noticed, you're already drawing followers. Bishop the donkey, Rook and Clip... it always starts small and snowballs as we attract others. The nature of your interactions with them will shape how they serve you. But they'll want to follow you, because of us.

If you want to try to befriend the drake, you have a much better chance with us than you'd have ever had before. But it is probably better to just slay this one. You should probably be more famous before you try bringing exotic wildlife into cities.

You'll want someone who can sing your praises. An entertainer, courtesan, or someone like that. Keep an eye open for such and make an effort to interact with him or her when the chance comes.

>>824112
The only reason the "we're stuck" thing came up is because YOU decided we're stuck. How about you stop trying to control everything?

Thats right. The longer pole means that when swinging the weapon the head strikes with greater speed and force.

You may want to invest in a sidearm length mace, hammer, or war axe, as those are things we can't effectively replicate.
Also since we're apparently made of enchanted beryl, no need to oil us.
Though you could do so and light the oil on fire for added effect. We could even toughen our surface or become hollow so we could burn longer or spit burning oil when you swing. We can take the heat. Nothing less than a forge can even begin to harm us.

we aren't stuck, and it would be comically easy to get unstuck if we are.

Cabosh 2017/08/22(Tue)17:06 No. 824377 ID: 947b4f
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>>824089
>>824099
>>824101
What? You aren't stuck! But hold up, lets see what happens if you actually stay in the cut and expand.

Leon runs further away while he naginatas shaft starts shrinking and the blade starts widening. The tree groans and cracks until suddenly the tree shatters with a loud KRAK! And topples over.

Cabosh 2017/08/22(Tue)17:07 No. 824378 ID: 947b4f
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Seems like you would make an excellent crowbar Bolek.

Clip: Damn! Imagine doing that to a living being. It's honestly kinda worryingly how powerful your staff is Leon.

Rook: Mmh, it is a powerful tool no doubt about it.

Leon: Well it's fine as long as I have control over it's power right? Eh he heh.

...

Rook: Well you have us convinced Leon. With your magical weapon and our knowledge the drake is as good as done. Do you still want to negotiate with the beast or just face it and fight it?

Clip: We got some supplies and gear in the cellar, and I think I can go and borrow a cart and a horse from one of the neighbors.

Slap the beast around with dildo-mode and Double Strike. This is the best plan.

You decide Leon. We will support whatever decision you make in this endeavor.

Show is how an emperor handles this situation.

*Return to staff mode* It may be best to attempt negotiation first.. The idea of having a Drake on our side sounds positively good.

what type of armor is commonly used by people or is armor uncommon
is it plated metal? chainmail? or something else? if you've seen any can you think of it so we can see? if you can get us those details we probably could turn into the optimal weapon for fighting them in case we need to. also we should try to hit things that are behind something with the shadow strike. if it can armor is utterly useless cause we could shadow strike the person directly

Suggestion 2017/08/24(Thu)07:55 No. 824749 ID: 9b80a5
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[turn into this] its primarily for thrusting and can cut but due to its triangular cross section which makes it better at thrusting through things like chain mail it wont do things like lop off arms easily but necks and stomachs are good targets as its just alot of meaty bits and its got alot of hand protection

also the the ring is so its really hard to disarm you if you have a finger in there

(not a suggestion){oops i accedentaly hit spoiler immage derp}

>>824500
But like Clip and Rook said, if we do manage to get the Drake to join us, we'd have to have enough food to feed it. How are we going to be able to provide enough food for it?

It's not like we can just let it go raid a village for food every time it gets hungry. People won't accept Leon as the new Emperor if he allows one of his followers to do that!

>>824754
Honestly, if Leon hopes to be Emperor a hungry drake would be the least of his problems.
Either way we'll cross that bridge when we get there. I just want to see how Leon tries to resolve this so we have a better image of what we have to work with.

>>824754
We don't need to directly influence it to join us, a negotiation could provide a method for beneficial trade as well.

Why aren't we just defaulting to a Macuahuitl, those fuckers could decapitate horses just made out of stone and wood.

because they are just a REALLY sharp paddle it would be REALLY unweildy and thats what a sword is for especialy one with a forward curve which gives it more chopping power

>>824770
that thing is powerful because it's extremely sharp, we can make any weapon we are just as sharp without having such a weird shape.

Suggestion 2017/08/24(Thu)15:27 No. 824848 ID: 9b80a5
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but yeah would you rather have this?

Suggestion 2017/08/24(Thu)15:27 No. 824849 ID: 9b80a5
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or this?

>>824849
I'd rather have this sword.

You know why? Because it's probably a weapon that Leon has some familiarity with. He's probably never even seen one of those paddle things, so he wouldn't know how to use it!

What's wrong with the naginata? He's demonstrated he's got some ability with that!

>>824848
Due to our magical nature we are very light.
This means most blunt force weapons are not terribly effective.

While the Macahuitl is very cool, Leon would only benefit from the edge, not it's secondary clubbing capabilities. The edge's quality depends on material instead of form. Since our material is constant, it would make more sense to take the shape of a more manageable and familiar weapon that can slash and stab instead of slash and bash.

Wait a minute.

Could we buy a sawed-off shotgun and combine it with Bolek? Most shotguns don't use heavy-duty Dragon's Breath fire shot because it warps the barrel from heat, but if we use a shapeshifting barrel...

We could also feed Bolek some oil-saturated wood pulp and get a flaming sword for like thirty seconds.

this is medieval i don't even know if they have GUNPOWDER much less MODERN WEAPONRY like ffs

We should just stick with the shit we practiced with. The ones that work at least.

>>824925
Yep.

I still say Bishamon Yari if we're going with a pole weapon but I also like the default sword cause it reminds me of Bleach.

>>824910
Wait are we Bolek or is the weapon Bolek? I thought we were Bolek!!!

Oh god I'm having an identity crisis. Leon, help.

>>824916
Black powder probably exists, but if this world is anything like ours then it's either a state secret or a novelty.

>>824910
We could. That would be neat.

>>824991
Bolek is what Leon calls Us.
Our Talisman is the Talisman of Mind, and I don't believe we were given a name for the sword.

again this is a medieval era place even IF they had black powder they still wouldn't have MODERN GUNS at the very most they would have cannons if even that
like for fucks sakes what are you thinking

also at the beginning he said we weren't able to make anything moving remember the beads and how they were just stiff spheres so making a shotgun wouldn't work and we wouldn't be able to have ammo either as we cant shoot bits of the sword and black powder would as you said would either be a state secret or a novelty the first situation would make the ammo near impossible to get and the other means we would have to hand load musket like shots in even if we COULD do it cause bullet jackets and the machines to make them WOULDN'T EXIST

like just get a longbow or (if they have it) a crossbow normal pretty easy to aquire and much more versitile

>>824925
This.

>>825007
Strictly speaking you don't need moving parts to make a gun. It helps a lot, but at its simplest a handcannon is just an empty tube with a touch-hole for a match at the end.

But, a one-off weapon is just a novelty. The real power of a muzzle-loader gun is that it can be mass produced and used in firing lines to terrific effect. For that you need resources to build the guns in the first place, and soldiers to carry them.

yeah but as it that would need
1: black powder if it even exists
2: large amounts of metal for the barrel and ammo (though you COULD use rocks i guess)
3: a blacksmith to make a large amount of metal tubes
4: more people to use them cause shooting once every like 45 isn't effective ESPECIALLY as you need to stand still while doing it so you'd only be able to get off 1 shot in a battle so as i said a crossbow or a bow would be WAAAY more effectivve if he wanted a ranged weapon

and again hinging on if they have gunpowder

Leon can you handle a bow or a cross bow?

Gunpowder isn't really useful for a skilled warrior anyway. Up until the invention of the modern bullet, the real benefit to hand-held gunpowder weapons was that they could make effective soldiers out of commoners with weeks of training, as opposed to entire lifetimes.

That said I guess Leon could make use of grenades. There is nothing stopping him from making black powder with our guidance.

Hell, if he happens upon a chemist with a decent set up, we might be able to get some nitroglycerine made.

ok seriously your making this REALLY meta like i like meta things like say the protagonist recognizes us as voices in their head or spirits or little handkerchief dolls like in HALL quest but this...... jeeeez like telling someone in a tgchan quest from an era where they use swords and bows how to make guns bombs and modern explosives like nitro glycerin is just annoyingly meta, like pixel quest managed to pull it off well cause it was in a humorous way but this is like.... ugh

>>825077
Volley fire, from firing lines. That's how you solve the slow reloading times. But yes, this is very premature at best, and probably wholly inappropriate for Leon's situation.

its like if it happens i'm just like:

OW i cut myself on that shattered fourth wall

also cabosh i think please don't let the protagonist overhear this argument please like yeah its your quest and you can do as you please but jeez that'd be like taking a deathray to the 4th wall

>>825097
>>825093

All I'm sayin, is that if we can tell him about wolves, which don't exist, then why can't we tell him about other things?

Besides that, we're The fucking Talisman of Mind. We know shit. At the very least we should know how to make black powder.

ok the wolves was from us not knowing it wasnt in this universe and it was covered a little by someone suggesting that the wolves existed on a diferent plane like the one the mind talisman's voices were on. but maybe we could have knowledge of black powder if it existsas we were with the emperor for a while and they could have discovered it then but either way lets not tell him and instead ask like "do you know of a black powder that combusts when lit?" or something like that so the author can decide if he wants black powder in the quest or not that way if the protagonist says yeah he has or meybe etc we could probabaly inform him idk though

either way i just think quests are more fun with the fourth wall intact and if the author wants its pretty fun to blur the 4th wall but not shattering it then it just get a bit weird like the end pf lixelquest 1 weird

pixelquest*

1/4 Cabosh 2017/08/26(Sat)21:54 No. 825418 ID: 0d7f92
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>>824389
Yeah you are right I have to start acting more like an Emperor! And Emperors love followers, so well try negotiating with the drake first.

Leon Sends Clip to get the cart and the sheep while he follows Rook down to the cellar to check out the equipment.

...

>>824749
Leon: Hey Rook do you have swords made for just thrusting and stabbing up north?

Rook: What? Swords just for stabbing... Yeah we have those, they are called spears.

Leon: Oh.

>>824991
Bolek is what I call all of you spirits or voices or whatever you are.

2/4 Cabosh 2017/08/26(Sat)21:55 No. 825419 ID: 0d7f92
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In the cellar there are stacks and crates of armor, weapons and other equipment laying about.

Leon: Woah! Hey Rook funny question, uhh why do you have an armory in your basement?

Rook: Hm? This isn't my house, it is a mercenary housing. It's been used by different mercenaries for decades, maybe even centuries. We just live here this summer. All this stuff is just leftover.

>>825083
I have been trained with using a bow.

Leon: Are there any crossbows or bows here?

Rook: There are bows probably stashed somewhere. But no swords or crossbows since the mercenary companies want to keep tabs on those and confiscate them if they find them in their housings.

3/4 Cabosh 2017/08/26(Sat)21:57 No. 825420 ID: 0d7f92
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Rook: Right. Our speed will be our advantage against a slow beast like a drake, so I think we can manage with just breastplates and maybe helmets. We don't want to wear too much when fighting in the summer heat.

Leon: What different types of armor are here?

Rook: Well you got all kinds since some mercenaries order their equipment from faraway lands. Then you got some armor parts passed down the generations or looted from the enemies. Lamellar and mail are the most common types.

Leon: What are these markings?

Rook: Some old mercenary company's marks or the armor makers logo. You find all kinds of different signs and seals on the stuff here.

I have no idea what GUNPOWDER or BLACK POWDER any of those things are.

4/4 Cabosh 2017/08/26(Sat)21:57 No. 825421 ID: 0d7f92
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The (soon to be) Emperors new clothes! Draw some clothes or armor on that boi or suggest what you would like to see.
Also the (soon to be) Emperor needs a sign/signet or a logo designed for himself.

Should I make a questdis thread?

Suggestion 2017/08/26(Sat)22:18 No. 825424 ID: 24caf8
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fight smarter. something less constraining too keep you light in yer feet. chain mail undershirt maybe. and something to conseal a weapon.

>>825007
I'm just saying, we could buy a PARTIALLY CONSTRUCTED weapon (with all the moving parts) and use Bolek for the static parts. Bonus points because it'll be harder for guards to identify a complex weapon if it's unfinished and unusable without a shapeshifting weapon they've never even heard of!

For instance, we could buy the appropriate enchantments to simulate a motor (higher energy cost but whatever), and then turn Bolek into a jagged-edge sword with easy-attachment handles, and now we have an automatic hacksaw weapon! Since Bolek can shapeshift, any damage done to the flimsy jade teeth can be repaired instantly!

>>825421
Wear a Poncho with emerald laced pockets.

Definitely go for the light/sneaky approach for clothing. Have some type of armor undershirt. As for the logo have some type of strong animal on it. Mayhap a eagle/griffin/tiger/lion/ect.

Questdis would be nice

Would be nice to have a sigil of our own.. But a bit early, something that doesn't stand out would be fine, you'll want something comfortable but durable for a trip like this.. Though I am liking 24caf8's idea.

maybe this for the icon with the talismans and the sword

Suggestion 2017/08/27(Sun)11:16 No. 825486 ID: 9b80a5
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oops i forgot to put the picture in

try to get a gamberson tunic, you know what it is right? its like a long coat but made with 10-20 (i think) layers of linen/wool and was amazing at stopping cuts stabs and blunt force trauma.
also if you want to can put like chain mail or plated parts over it and be the juggernaut (bitch)

(im the)*

>>825420
>I have no idea what GUNPOWDER or BLACK POWDER any of those things are.

Most of the strange things we were talking about would take a long time to explain.

Black Powder is a mixture of Charcoal, Sulfur, and Saltpeter that explodes. It's extremely useful and extremely dangerous in the right hands.

It's one of those secrets that will get you killed if the wrong people know you know, but if you can get your hands the ingredients, you can make some terrifying weapons with it.

in hindsight that emblem looks like a gross bug and not 7 talismans and a copy/pasted sword on both sides

Why don't we just get a dragon as our symbol?

It's a classic and you can't go wrong with that! Plus, the drake might be more willing to talk to us if we have a dragon as our symbol.

>>825486
Dragon, Dragon! Rock the Dragon! Dragon Ball Z!

Suggestion 2017/09/02(Sat)06:00 No. 827066 ID: 9dc26d
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>>825424
This is good, but... check out that shirt over there!

Get that, it looks good. And most people wouldn't realize what it is, besides the funny dye job.

But put a cuirass over it too. Just in case. And wear baggy pants or something, so you can move quickly.