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910512 No. 910512 ID: 891b91

Chapter 0: >>/questarch/886861

Discussion: >>/questdis/123379
Wiki: https://tgchan.org/wiki/Dead_Dust
Inventory: https://tgchan.org/wiki/Dead_Dust/Inventory

Yesterday was a blur. They ended up keeping you in the infirmary overnight, so they could monitor your health; between the frequent examinations and the steady trickle of well-wishers showing up to ask how you were doing, you didn't get much opportunity to make sense of your current situation, let alone ask any of the growing number of questions floating around in your head. Of all the things puzzling you about this place, the people themselves are the greatest mystery. They've been friendly and welcoming, sure; but sometimes it feels like they find you familiar in some way. They keep calling you Sigarzghar,, too, and you have no clue why.

But these confusions don't trouble you -- you find the others more worrying, such as why you were in a coma for three days, or why all your posessions are missing from your pockets. You wonder how long you'll be stuck in this place, but you don't have much in the way of leads to figure out where else to go -- there're Delaney and Quincy over on Gansett shelf, the tentacle twins on the Concourse, and... that's about it. You're not sure how you'd get to either of those places from here, so you certainly feel stuck. Right now, more than anything else, you need answers.

You suppose that's why you're waiting here. They discharged you from the infirmary shortly after you awoke this morning, and led you here, telling you that Cider has invited you to her quarters to discuss a few things. You get the impression she's in charge around here; surely she can help you make sense of why you're here and how you arrived, and perhaps what to do next. At the moment there's already a visitor in there with her, judging from the muffled sounds of conversation; you wager it's been 20 minutes already, and you hope it isn't going to take much longer.
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No. 946442 ID: e7c7d3

You don't want any poo on you, even if it's just sham poo.

Yeah, just continue with the cleaning. You have too much on your plate to stew over yet another mystery.
No. 946448 ID: cb6404


Return the hug and agree. Roz doesn't seem to want to talk about it much, so let's not press to hard right away.

We can always casually ask again on the way back, where fewer people are likely to overhear things.
No. 946461 ID: b8f107

The whole "rare body", "something in common", thing may just be because Penny and Millie have similar skull structure? Seriously, head shape and ear shape are almost identical.
No. 946462 ID: 81cd19

Ok, but you're washing my back.
No. 946473 ID: 7fb87a

Geez you can just see right down her throat at that angle can't you
No. 946518 ID: c0e130

"Answer my question. What's with the hologram?"

Y'all need to stop focusing on her maw, ya fuckin' degenerates
No. 946519 ID: b1b4f3

This. Let's not let her deflect so easily. If she wants to talk about it later in private, that's fine.
No. 946537 ID: 0fae41

I think we've forgotten too much already. Let's go somewhere else to discuss, but let's discuss. And also shampoo.
Switch to first-person camera again
No. 946541 ID: c15cc3

This. Don't forget the question, but file it away for now. This is spa time.
No. 946561 ID: c063e9

Lean in while you're shampooing each other and say "I get you're trying to be nice, but I don't really have the sort of body issues that would let it bother me. It's more that she was trying to string me along to get something out of me. Speaking of which, I noticed you dodged my earlier question. I can understand if you'd want to speak privately, but don't thing I'm going to let this drop."
No. 946591 ID: 15a025

Ask if that hologram thing was something we need to worry about now and then leave it there for now. Shampoo up and go enjoy the spa with Roz.
No. 946670 ID: 19da47

Stay close to Roz for now she seems really nice so far. Also maybe ask check out her nudiest club later. That said look up the meaning of the hologram on your own.
No. 946708 ID: 86794b

See, here's the thing - we are, of course, going to investigate that hologram. But we're ALSO trying to foil the system, and so the fewer people know we're getting nosy, the better. If we ask too many questions of people who don't want to answer, we might end up getting watched more closely. Roz's position seems like one we need to step carefully around. (I.e., don't push the matter, I think. MAYBE it would be fine, but it's a bit of a gamble.)
No. 946717 ID: 19da47

Im kind of against "foiling the system" as of right now. We still know very little about how things work around here and we cant assume that this place and everyone in it is all corrupt. That said we still should be cautious about Dar Ormi people because something seems off about them.
No. 946719 ID: 49e4d4


Personally, I'm all FOR foiling the system. We might not know a ton about the system, but what we do know is pretty bullshit. We'll foil it for us (and Mint) if no one else.
No. 946720 ID: 19da47

How is the system "bullshit"?
No. 946721 ID: 49e4d4

First: I'm speaking relatively to us specifically.

Second: For starters, it's more or less forced on us; I have the strong suspicion that we're operating with a higher baseline than most do- from what Cider implied, and Millie just said about sigz being 'helpless', they're not adjusting their playbook for our inquisitiveness, drive, and general capacity to make logical connections and operate at a level that makes it hard to guess we've been mindwiped without asking probing questions and knowing what to look for.

They're prevent us from getting out in the world as we want so they can remake us under THEIR guidelines. It's captivity. Mind, by 'foiling', I'm presuming that means 'escape' at the least. The entirety of the opening of the thread lays out why I'm not a fan of this place, even if it might have some benefits we can reap. It's bullshit in the sense that it's ultimately obstructing us from our goals.
No. 946722 ID: b1b4f3

We don't even know what the system is yet. Don't get ahead of yourselves.
No. 946734 ID: 19da47

Agreed maybe we should wait before saying that this system is evil and learn more about it.
No. 946735 ID: 1f2742

I don't personally think we need to wait to assume something is messed up here. We have enough information to assume it's not totally ethical, our captivity making that clear. It may be for the best of intentions but that doesn't excuse it.

That said I definitely agree that we should probably never say anything about that. That's a good way to get watched way too closely, and a bad way to get on their good side like we planned.

Same with the tattoo, if we are getting the run around about a topic, don't keep asking about it.
No. 946736 ID: 19da47

I say play it cool for now until we get more information on this program. It isnt wise to jump to conclusions based off one conversation. Hell maybe they're on the level and legitimately trying to help.
No. 946754 ID: cb6404


Considering that it's set up as what is essentially an equivalent to involuntary hospitalization, which is actually a fairly common practice with regards to what sort of things we are facing, were this "the real world," I'd say that nothing has been out of the ordinary.

That we're being treated as an equal, given quite a few things, and are essentially free to do and explore as we like within the grounds, the notion of "captivity" is a massive stretch.

Were Penny stuck in her jumpsuit on a hard cot in a featureless room with Mint and no warmth or empathy from Roz or Cider or anyone else, I'd say yeah, the system is bullshit. But right now? Right now I think we need to actually look at the situation.

1. We were comatose for DAYS. Longer than most others. Clearly there's a possible worry here.

2. The mind-control sigil thing might be pretty sketchy, but it could have been worse, as Cider graciously informed us. That they're working to help us counteract the same flaw theirs exploited is a significant point here.

3. We have ... well, other than our stuff in the drawer, nothing. Literally nothing. How exactly are we supposed to survive in this world that we know nothing about?

4. What I gather from this place is that they're an in-world equivalent to a humanitarian non-profit, ergo the Dars and other sub-organizations acting as vocational schools to allow them to generate enough revenue through labor and other contributions to be self-sustaining. Seems a fair trade-off for being given room, board, clothes, and what amounts to a free education -- again in a world we know nothing about.

5. The worst that anyone has insofar done was Millie being a real bitch, and a manipulative one to boot. I'm going to get even more meta here, but this is the obvious plot-hook. We're being given a chance to get more information, but potentially at the cost of having to make a major decision. Roz's reticence is also further sign of it, as it's clear the two were once very close and are now all but hostile, or in the very least, entertain highly divergent notions of how to treat the newcomers.

6. Nothing says we can't bide our time, gather what information we need, figure out what Mint meant by this shimmering about others, and then make a break for it once we have the means to do so. But to decide that in the midst of a spa in nothing but our fur? That's foolish in the extreme.
No. 946821 ID: 1f2742

Involuntary hospitalization might make sense for the average cigarsar but we already have two very clear examples of fully capable individuals in both Penny and Mint. Clearly there's either something wrong or something inflexible, and a one size fits all solution to anything involuntary is clearly wrong.

A fancy cage is still a cage.

A coma they caused.

And the second you start justifying mind control, is the second you start down a slippery slope. Maybe it's to patch up a hole. Maybe it's just exploitation of a known weakness. We only have their word.

We were doing rather well and already had a headstart into a career/job so I don't get this one.

That sounds more like a for-profit prison than an NPO but what do I know. We'll actually have to see what the labor is like to know how bad it is.

She wasn't that bad, she's just like, normal recruitment officer level. She just wasn't all bread and circuses like Roz here.

I, at least, already said almost exactly that. And the other person never said it should happen immediately either. Either way, I don't know what clothes add to someone's ability to think.
No. 946826 ID: c8d18c

I find it hilarious that people are wanting to leave so quick without any information on how the program really works.
Heres the run down so far:
Its confirmed that we have taffa syndrome and the severity of which we have no idea yet.

We have no almost no basic idea on how the world works and what is dangerous to us.

We have no known skills or money to survive on our own. Hell before we got here we were begging and willing to use are body for favors.

Based off multiple sources we have, walking around with taffa syndrome is apparently somewhat illegal in this Society due too the dangers of body snatchers and apparently the condition is detectable from are dust.

If we leave by law they'll just turn us over to the police and will get are brain pumped full of fake memories.

People are still freaking out about the coma thing despite that being a accident and we are the only person that has ever happened to.

We know almost nothing about Mint other than she thinks this place is weird and she has night terrors. Yet people think that more than enough info to condem this program.

We need to calm down and learn more before passing judgement on a whole organization.
No. 946833 ID: 10c408

Personally, I find what we've been told vs what we haven't been told, on top of the other bits of information we've gleaned, to be a successive amount of red flags and that's before we even met Mint.

I'm not passing judgement just yet, since we can still get more information/don't have a solid plan for escaping, but my opinion of cinder and the vesper society is still; leaning towards "shady friendship cult"

I'll list the actual red flags in the dist thread later for discussion purposes.
No. 946847 ID: 49e4d4

As was stated before, I'm NOT in favor of leaving immediately, because I think that's stupidly depriving us of a source of both knowledge and resources. I merely think we shouldn't play happy houseguest and take them at their word for everything. We should play cautious, and, honestly, my preferred course of action would be to sublimate their resources for our own uses mafia-style, and use that to set ourselves up well before we escape. But I DO think we should escape eventually.
No. 946858 ID: 1f2742

You seem to be seeing a more panicked reaction than anyone is giving. Don't knock gut feelings, they're useful, especially since there's a reason for them.
No. 946861 ID: dbf43c

Why is everyone talking like she being held prisoner? She could probably just leave anytime she wants granted they'll probably just call the police because. That said it would be stupid if she did t
Without really knowing if this place is bad or no.
No. 946866 ID: e40171

Read the beginning of the chapter. That very possibility is brought up and then dismissed in universe. They claim they are, in fact, obligated to keep us here, or else they will immediately try to take us to a hospital to implant false memories in us.
No. 946912 ID: e044fb

For involuntary hospitalization, it certainly seems to be the nicest involuntary hospitalization I've ever seen. Let's just play it cool, try and get closer with Roz, and work to be as perceptive as possible.
No. 946957 ID: 891b91
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>Geez you can just see right down her throat at that angle can't you
>wow she could fit your entire head in her mouth if she wanted to.
She really does have a huge mouth, doesn't she? It makes you wonder how big of a, uh, you know she could fit in there. (Do they even come in that size?)

...No. You should stop thinking about that. Especially not when she's right in front of you in the buff like this.
No. 946958 ID: 891b91
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"Okay," you sigh as you follow her through the women's spa, "but you're washing my back." You decide it's best to go along with her distraction for now... at least until you can figure out a better way to broach the subject.

"I didn't figure you for the touchy-feely type," Roz chuckles.

"I said my back -- just the hard-to-reach places!"

"Haha, alright. So you're just touchy-feely with your back, then!"

"Whatever," you chuckle.
No. 946959 ID: 891b91
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Thankfully, the co-ed spa isn't jam-packed at the moment, making easier for you to ignore the temptation to gawk at the scattering of nude bodies here. Roz leads you into a closed-in booth section off in the corner; you feel silently thankful for the fact that it even has something like that, and that she apparently realizes you'd prefer the privacy. Not to mention that this buys you some time to figure out how to get her to open up about Millie's tattoo.

"This spot work for you?"

"Mmhm," you nod, a little lost in thought.

"How about get the touchy-feely part out of the way?"

"Uh, yeah, no time like the present, I guess." You silently remind yourself that she's only going to touch your back.

"Alright, toss me your shampoo 'n get that towel off," she says as she plunks a couple plastic buckets upside-down on the floor between you. "Oooh, Penny's naaay-kid," she whistles playfully as you hang the towel up.

"Shut up, it's not like you didn't see me like this 2 minutes ago," you laugh.

"Yeah, yeah. Have a seat," she gestures to one of the buckets, squatting onto the one behind you as you sit down. "Gimme your hand?"

"Why?" You ask, offering your hand back to her. She squirts a pile of shampoo into it. "Oh."

"So you can wash your front 'n stuff while I work on your back." She squirts some of the stuff into her own palm. "Lemme know if I'm goin' at it too hard. I'm used to havin' to work it pretty deep with my wool, but your peach fuzz prolly won't need that much effort."
No. 946960 ID: 891b91
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You start rubbing the shampoo into your chest fur, and Roz uses the nearby shower head to spritz some water to help build up a lather. "Damn, I wish my fur was as easy as yours," she sighs as she starts going to work on your back.

Roz digs her fingers deep into your back, like she's trying to massage you rather than shampoo you. "O-ow, ease up a little," you complain.

"Whoops, see what I mean?" Roz chuckles, easing off her fingers a fair amount. "Too used to this damn wool! That better?"

"Much better," you nod, idly spreading shampoo around your chest and abdomen.

>lick Roz
>we do that later when we're together in bed :P
In bed? In a moment of vulnerability you entertain the idea of... carnal lust with Roz, helped along by the fact that she is actually touching your body at this very moment. You try to snap out of it, though, focusing instead on washing your fur and thinking about how to get more information out of her.

"Hey, so, I know everything's gotta be pretty overwhelmin' for you right now..." Roz pauses thoughtfully, working her way down to your midriff. "I hope I've been makin' it a little less scary for ya, at least. I was scared out of my mind my first day, but the jarmu they had lookin' after me really helped me through it. I wanna do the same thing for you if I can."

You feel utterly torn on whether to bring up Millie's tattoo again. You can't shake the feeling that learning more about it could help you make sense of things, but Roz seems like she's trying to avoid the subject and you aren't sure how she'd take it if you were to pressure her about it.
No. 946961 ID: 2df440

You clearly need to take your mind off things right now. Ask about:

1) if she knows any cute boys here
2) some good hair care tips
3) if you can have a sleepover :P
4) how heavy her boobs are
No. 946963 ID: ad51b8

Honestly confused.

I don't really know how to say it without being blunt so I'm just going to be blunt so sorry if it comes off as me being rude.

I mean as you can probably guess I don't really have a lot of... experiences to fall back on to try and figure out what's going on around me besides some random bits and pieces of disjointed info which rarely helps and whenever I go to ask someone... when someone is around anyways, they either just deflect or outright ignore any questions. I mean I have next to no idea what's going on, no one want's to spend more then 3 words about what's going on, and at times it feels like... well it just feels like the world is set against me. Like I have some place in the world that I don't even know about and whenever I try to even figure out what that place might even be every... THING just conspires against me to try its damnest to keep me fumbling blindly in the dark. Honestly there are times when I feel like I'd have better luck trying to wring water from a stone.

So I guess confused and frustrated. Not really scared though. I mean I guess after seeing a giant worm rip it's way up through the earth only to get blown to kingdom come a moment later by some excite locals kinda skews your perspective a little.
I had an interesting walk here.
No. 946964 ID: 19da47

Dont ask about the tattoo just yet instead ask about Roz's past experiences with the organization, try to figure out how things work here. Also try become frinds so ask to vist her nudist club! ;)
No. 946967 ID: 015bf2

Tell her she's... definitely helping, and you appreciate her using her new life and attitude to make you feel more welcome, even if you're not sure you need special coddling. You're still pretty peeved about the whole 'stay for years or leave to forcibly get new generic memories implanted', though. Heck, how is that even done? They just chuck you in a machine and bing-bada-bing you're a new person with new priorities? (ask about how implanting new memories is done)

You've gotta admit getting stuck here is one of the things that's disappointing you the most. You wanted to explore the districts and figure stuff out. Pretty much everything's novel and interesting, y'know? (try to get an angle on whether it's possible for new sigarzhars to leave on field trips)

(And suds up properly, will ya Penny? Gotta clean up.)

I don't think you need to ask her, you may have all the clues required to start making an educated guess.

Primary Hypothesis
The Vesper Society could be ideal for, say, well-connected criminally inclined people to escape notice. Were one to change one's body and wipe one's mind, there is no way for people to realize who you once were. The Vespers' philosophy discourage looking into members' pasts - semi-reasonably so - making it hard to verify the source of newfound Vesper recruits, especially given how some might enter from the outside through the evac program.

Then, when some time has passed and whatever heat has died down - and/or through a predetermined identifier - the technology of recorded memory implantation is used (which we know exists, because the government would do it to us were we to leave the Vespers!) to surreptitiously be re-institut someone as 'themselves' by members already positioned within the society.

It is common for criminal cartels typically take 'empty' bodies and use/sell them according to Cider. The fact the criminal hideout we were in did not deal with us harshly and the goons we met were so casual towards 'zombies' and allowed a Vesper recruitment book to be placed in their hideout is significant. That they did not bushwhack us for our body (the first one certainly seems like he could've overpowered us) indicates that there is an accord in place. Potential Vesper recruits are allowed to go, despite this losing the criminals profit - and as a rule criminals don't often do stuff for free. It's likely that either someone up the chain told them to let zombies go or that they have been paid off somehow.

Secondary Hypothesis
Millie's sudden personality shift came due to something she learned - or something she remembered - that made her literally become a different person.

Millie's body has a tattoo that allows a changed body to be identified after a mind wipe.
She changed around the same time as she started to work with dar Ormu.
Her attitude suggested we ought to remember something or have something on us that could identify us, and she wasn't shy about giving us that hint, either.
That she approached us like this means she recognized us somehow. If she is a new person with no memories, she should not be able to recognize anything about us.

Tertiary Hypothesis
Just by implanting relatively blank 'zombies' with the right memories, one could 're-create' people, more or less. Obviously this would be taboo as fuck for the Vesper philosophy, but sometimes members of cult-like societies make sacrifices to maintain their power and influence. And they might be making literal sacrifices of their recruits. Or the entire Vesper society could be in the middle of, say, a subtle criminal takeover.

I think it's important that:

- We don't tell anyone in the Society of our suspicions for now. Either they're wrong and baseless or many of the Vespers could potentially be - or become - part of the conspiracy (if there is one) and we don't know how far up any eventual rot would go. If Millie's in on it then dar Ormu may be a segment of the bad, but we don't know how far or wide any such reach would go. The recruits could be genuine but the power structure could be bad from the ground up.

- We learn more about the Vesper society, its power structure, its leaders and their dars. The more we know and pick up, the more people we meet, we can form impressions and judge by how they act if our suspicions are real or not.

- We should still aim to get out of the society's reach on a temporary or permanent basis so we can do the things we want to. Whether we want to live our own life as our own remade individual or we want to investigate the factors that lead to our past life's situation, sticking with the Vespers doesn't seem like it's in line with those interests (especially if the society is in the midst of some weird conspiracy).

- We retain cold neutrality towards Mille, as she appears to be overconfident enough that she might be willing to drop some more hints if we try to - or fail to - take the bait.

- We become more cautious towards the prospect of joining dar Ormu as a potential escape venue; it seems like it might come with some baggage if Mille's involvement with it lead to her personality shift.
No. 946968 ID: b60672

Save the tattoo question for later the last thing you want to do is lose a potential friend/Ally. Focus on relaxing now. Also ask Roz if there any men around to have fun with.
No. 946973 ID: b8f107

Are we ever gonna mention that bird with two on one side of it's face, or those foxes?
No. 946974 ID: 015bf2

>field trips
Oh wait, it is possible for field trips to Gansett to be arranged, Cider herself said so. Only as a 'chaperoned trip', though. Hm. Rephrase it as asking for who might be viable and easy-going chaperones. You don't want a Millie guiding you, after all.
No. 946978 ID: 015bf2

Not to someone in polite society, I think. Perhaps Delaney or our scavenger acquaintance whenever we can get to talk to her.

Or whenever we get 'net access, we do some general research that meanders into research on animal life to see if we can accidentally stumble across an explanation for the two-left-eyes thing. I'm pretty sure our comms and access records will be logged, and someone like Millie may be able to see what we were saying/looking at. We should, in fact, be careful about what we use the 'net for around here.

It's a bit paranoid, but I'd rather we keep most things close to our chest. The foxes and the owl haven't seemed harmful to us so far, but they clearly have some agency and if the latter wants to surveil us and the former wants us get us to poke our head into mysteries others may want unsolved - mysteries related to a potential Delaney disappearance, taffa drug rings, bodynapping/shaping and even potentially the Vesper society - then pointing out any kind of association may not be the wisest course.

Ah, one more thing. Once you're done washing, try to get close to a mirror to check if there's any holo-tattoos or the like on your back. Millie came up on you from behind, and given her hints, it may be that you have an identifying mark outside of your normal range of vision. 'Proper' Vespers like Rozalyn might not mention it because it'd put the focus back on the life of your predecessor.

... uh. Additional paranoia check. Did it feel like Roz was scrubbing a particular part of your back really hard? Glance down the drain - any odd colors, like those of a temporary marker or something, mixed into the shampoo?
No. 946979 ID: 0fae41

Ask about the tattoo in a roundabout way. Ask what kind of body mods are legal, maybe about cybernetics, and then why one would acquire such a holo tattoo.
Then turn around and get the other side.
No. 946984 ID: cb6404


Let's thank her for her help, then. Ask and learn more about Roz's own time as a wee little sig and maybe try to get a better sense of Vesper as a whole -- learn what we're working with.

Roz, being Jarmu, has to know quite a few things we don't, and she's a font of information we've yet to properly tap (not like that, mind).

This would also be a good time to ask if she perms her wool on her head and arms or not; it's a really cool effect, whatever it is!

(I'm also getting the feeling that if we do press about Millie and the tattoo, it must be in a more private place. Maybe back in our room (or Roz's, should that be a possibility!), and definitely after she's grown a bit closer. Her reactions with Millie were ... telling, to say the least. There's a lot of bad history there, especially considering they were best friends here, of all places, and while we might have Taffa Syndrome, we know this is something Roz is really uncomfortable with; far more than we are, likely.)
No. 946985 ID: 1f2742

Don't ask someone who doesn't want to tell you something when you could ask someone who will tell you it. So no, don't ask about the tattoo.

Say yes, Roz is making this more comfortable. I mean, she's a little forward but that kinda grounds us in a way. It's easier to understand at least. What was her experience like?
No. 946995 ID: b1b4f3

This isn't a good time to bring up the tattoo. Try again later when the conversation isn't on the topic of how much she's trying to help.

Tell her she's doing a good job of helping you feel relaxed, but you also did a little research before you used the pamphlet so you knew Vesper's reputation was good. You imagine most would read the pamphlet sooner rather than later.
No. 947006 ID: 49e4d4

We should clarify that we're honestly not 'scared', we're more 'annoyed and frustrated' at the situation than anything else.

>>946963 sums up my feelings a lot. We're a curious cat.

And, well, y'know what they say. 'Curiosity killed the cat...but satisfaction brought him back.'
No. 947013 ID: 15a025

Assure Roz she's helping you keep your cool for now.
No. 947077 ID: 1cd489

"You're not helping me by failing to answer my question! What's with the hologram tattoo thingy?!"
No. 947079 ID: 7fb87a

if we're too pushy, she may decide that she's a poor fit for guiding us through all this. who knows who will try to step into the she leaves behind.
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