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808509 No. 808509 ID: b27cac

Space Pirate Log 11.997.8
Research Outpost Oneiros Beta has fallen to the Galactic Federation.
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No. 810534 ID: d8ce3a

Other Alien for the base, and May I suggest a species with extremophile tendencies, something that could survive in extreme conditons like severe heat, cold, and preferably vacuum? That way when we design the power armor we will not have to devote too much space to life support functions, and can focus on power and other features.
No. 810544 ID: ba506f

>Other Alien
I feel like this would bring up the least amount of questions. A human may be asked where they got their gear, a Synthetic might be asked where and how they were made, an alien though, just chalk that up to alien culture or some other nonsense and most people will just take it at face value.
No. 810588 ID: c88e6d

Other Alien, for sure.

Remember that horrible gravity monster the Federation built? Maybe we can steal that thing's DNA at some point. Until then, we should get some of those things that stick to ceilings and then rocket down at prey, whatever they're called. If we equip them with brains and stealth technology, there will be no survivors of any engagement with them!
No. 810600 ID: 486e87

Voting Synthetic, the flesh is weak while the machine is strong. No need to worry about biochemistry compatibility, hostile environments like the vacuum of space, or any other issues a organic might face.
No. 810612 ID: de04d8

Other alien. Why be human when we can be better?
No. 810614 ID: 0d1514

The problem with being a human is that humans know how humans act so we'd have to act like a human. Be some plant based alien.
No. 810803 ID: 7d8168

Other Alien. We should find something familiar enough that people don't go "what is that guy" but unfamiliar enough that people don't really know much other than that they exist. Lets the secret trooper blend in just the right amount with minimal effort.
No. 810814 ID: 3abd97

>Multiple pirate troopers are available for experimentation.
Are our trooper resources finite, or taxed by present circumstances?

Other alien.
No. 811381 ID: b27cac
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>Are our trooper resources finite, or taxed by present circumstances?

>Not Synthetic. Although it would be easier to install modifications and other capabilities as needed in the future, our records have shown that Synthetics have far too many easily exploitable weaknesses ranging from hacking to important components being exposed and being literal targets that end up getting shot and destroyed.
Science Team designing a synthetic body for the Secret Trooper that possesses such easily exploitable weaknesses would be unfortunate for everyone involved.

>Not human. We're not so desperate that we'd sink down to their level! Plus, it's disgusting just thinking about being the same species as the Hunter! I think that you should report to sickbay for medical assessment for even thinking of suggesting Human as an option!
Your thoughts have been considered and discarded as vaporous nothings! Rations cut for a decicycle.

>The problem with being a human is that humans know how humans act so we'd have to act like a human.
True, there may be some minutia of inefficient simian social structures that would be missed by the Secret Trooper

>I feel like Other Alien would bring up the least amount of questions. A human may be asked where they got their gear, a Synthetic might be asked where and how they were made, an alien though, just chalk that up to alien culture or some other nonsense and most people will just take it at face value.
A simplified cover story will mean more time for science!

Understood. The Secret Trooper will be a brain transplant into an Other Alien body. Cross-referencing available samples for cloning.

Please propose suitable traits so a selection of alien species matched against a short-list of the most desirable traits can be generated.

Summarising proposals thus far:

>reptilian body
>a four legged variant like the thing we once found.
>Project Metroid Hands, the attempt to give ourselves metroids for hands.
>plant-based Lifeform/Human Hybrid.
>race that won't be mistaken for a Space Pirate.
>something that could survive in extreme conditions like severe heat, cold, and preferably vacuum?
>horrible gravity monster
>things that stick to ceilings and then rocket down at prey
>some plant based alien.
>electrical mutation that doesn't make sense
>power loader arms
>tuuuuuuuuuuuuuuubes to cool off those glowy bits

This will be a long session.
No. 811382 ID: 0d1514

Electrical plant monster that sticks to ceilings and lives in SPACe while on fire? with tubes.
No. 811383 ID: be0718

You know why the Chozo were so successful? because they were taller than everyone else! It's also why Ridley (may he be cloned forever) gets to be the boss! We should make our Secret Trooper bigger, and surely the betterness will follow!
No. 811385 ID: 5792da
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They're weird and scarce enough that we'll never run into anyone that's ever met one, which will make it easy to pass any social failures as a result of moth weirdness, but the Federation should still be aware that they are a species that exists, which removes the possibility for "where did this new alien species come from".

Luminoth also seem to be roughly morphologically consistent with pirates - the test brains won't have to get used to suddenly having an endoskeleton or extra joints or motive limbs. Less time training means more time for SCIENCE.

And they look cool, which is critically important for bounty hunters.
No. 811387 ID: d8ce3a

The Plant and Reptilian line both seem feasible, and like they could encompass several of the other points. Also, We're still going to give the trooper power armor, or at least Equipment, so its not particularly necessary have the body be one with built in powers, beyond those necessary for survival of course.
Im sure we have several plant and reptilian specimens that have thrive in extreme conditions. Some form of extreme homeostatic abilities shouldn't be difficult.
And what are veins and veins if not small life-giving tubes?
No. 811388 ID: b0130a

I'll second this, and if for whatever reason we do run across someone who has met one of the moth people before, we can just BS that they were separated from their family when some raiders or something attacked there home. IT'S FOOL PROOF!
No. 811411 ID: da1652

Third-ed. A known, but rare and exotic species with abilities superior to humans.
No. 811416 ID: 91ee5f

Reptilian. There's no need for the body to already have special powers, since we'll be giving the Secret Trooper some Power Armour to do that.

No! The Hunter has interacted with the Luminoth before and knows how they behave! And since she's the one we're trying the hide our Trooper from, it would be very bad if our Trooper's behavior didn't match up with what she's familiar with! She'll know something's wrong right away!

Besides, Luminoth are peaceful and one of them becoming a bounty hunter would be unusual behavior that everyone in the Federation will notice, since the Federation have been to Aether and have met with the Luminoth after the Hunter's visit to their planet.
No. 811419 ID: b27cac
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Lack of clarity detected. Rephrasing.

At this stage additional traits should be proposed by Science Team and the merits of proposed traits discussed. That initial list is merely possible traits that have already been described by Science Team.

This biocomputer will then generate a final choice of alien species matching traits that are strongly supported by Science Team. Each short-listed species will possess some of those traits.

It is also acceptable to directly specify species such as the Luminoth.
No. 811421 ID: e121d3


Nah, see, we just need an excuse. Say, we're a luminoth warrior who shamefully fled their planet during the whole phazon dark aether thing. Oh, such shame! We are such a coward! Surely, we do not even consider ourselves worthy of calling ourselves luminoth any more! We hide our face and form in armor, we no longer speak the language, we no longer follow the traditions. The only recompense for our terrible cowardice is a grand quest to plunge ourselves into the greatest dangers and risk death in destroying evil such as that we once fled from. So shame, so bad, yes luminoth physically yes to federation recognition of species for official purposes but we are not TRULY luminoth, no name no honor no no just a hunter just fighting evil, no speaking of past no speaking of people or home planet just fighting please, no questions, just tragic mysterious bounty hunter sitting in corner of tavern being enigmatic that's all thank you.

Bounty hunters always have weird complex drama pasts, people will just roll their eyes.

I hope we managed to pick up some luminoth technology during the visit to aether, though. Our tech would need to look close enough to be believably the same, and luminoth tech is pretty advanced. They were contemporaries of the chozo (I think there are hints they helped make the hunter's screw attack?), and we've been trying to figure out chozo tech without complete success for ages. Plus, I'm not sure how physically superior luminoth are or what special abilities they have. I think they can fly? And have some sort of photokinesis? And they're pretty big and probably tougher than they look. So there might be better options.
No. 811438 ID: be0718

Message received. Compiling shortlist of superior organism traits. Analyzing merits of existing proposals. Mimicking IMO Unit-02 speech patterns.

>Plant-based Lifeform/Human Hybrid
>Almighty Tallest
>Incorporate Protoype Infiltration Device: Beauty in Oculus Of Beholder System (codename 'Knockers')
>Emergency Office Supplies (Ink Reservoir, Industrial Strength Stapler, Mildly Corrosive Highlighter Fluid)

...My apologies, the end of that list seems to have been confused with an internal supply requisition memo. Could someone please cancel the order of Choots to be released on administrative level 4?

>horrible gravity monster
Can you imagine how much mass would be required for a gravity effect? That would be a logistics Nightmare!

>things that stick to ceilings and then rocket down at prey
Too predictable. The last thing we need is some sort of repeating attack pattern which leaves us vulnerable at regular intervals.
No. 811441 ID: d8ce3a

Oh in that case, some desirable traits then:

>A regenerative ability, as former products have a tendency of failing in prolonged engagements.

>High Agility, what cant be hit, cant be hurt, or captured, and would assist in stealth, which is almost certainly necessary.

>Resistance to extreme temperatures. How many projects and generals have we lost due to unfortunate lava accidents, or Cryo weaponry?

>Some form of natural weaponry. In the event of equipment failure, the Trooper will need some form of last ditch defense. Claws, blades, Spikes, thorns, acid, toxins, Eye lasers, giant monster hands, whatever gets the job done, the more natural and the better.
No. 811447 ID: 91ee5f

I still say we should get a reptilian body of some kind. The less insect like our Trooper looks, the better his/her chances of not being mistaken for a Space Pirate and getting shot on sight! Especially since some people will firmly believe in shooting first and asking questions later.

>That would be a logistics Nightmare!
I see what you did there! XD
No. 811479 ID: ce19bd

I like luminoth.

An arthropodic race similar to our template hybrid anthropoids but not on the federation watch list.

Also moth noises.
No. 811491 ID: 91ee5f

Meta gaming here, since there's no disthread for this I think: I'm refusing Luminoth under the assumption that this version of Samus has 100% scanned everything that can be scanned in Metroid Prime 2 Echoes. Meaning that Samus knows everything about the Luminoth and would know that's not a thing the Luminoth would do. And Samus told the Federation that the Luminoth would need help to rebuild, so the Federation would've been around the Luminoth long enough to also know that's not something that would happen.

Besides, I think that if the Luminoth thought that the Ing were going to win, they would've preferred some of their race to leave the planet and live, instead of having their entire race get killed off.
No. 811514 ID: d79f26

don't even need to metagame here like this
the hunter has already come in contact with the luminoth, if she somehow ran into our agent she would recognize them immediately and their cover blown with extreme firepower
No. 811529 ID: 3abd97

>desirable traits
A species that is not generally considered acceptable for interspecies mating by humans. The last thing our Secret Trooper needs is to get tripped up by, or subjected to, humanity's bewilderingly complex mating rituals. (Didn't the last human focused xeno-sociology team go insane?).

Obviously, a species that will not suffer or atrophy from being confined inside an exosuit for extended periods of time. If the secret trooper needs to take breaks for "fresh air" or for extensive exercise this will cut down on efficiency.

Atmosphere compatibility is important. If the Secret Trooper can function within the preferred atmosphere of our vessel, and human settlements, this will cut down necessary resources on life support, and make maintenance at base and resupply in the field simpler.

After those basic needs are met... something with high endurance, or a limited sleep cycle would be preferable.

Other desirable traits can largely be designed into the armor. Enhanced senses, weapon systems, physical strength, movement capability, etc.
No. 811534 ID: 486e87

We should probably start to consider what sort of equipment we want to equip the trooper with at this point. It wouldn't make sense to pick a alien that is very flexible only to equip them with armour that has a limited range of motion.

As for species, do we have anything with redundant organs, resistance to vacuum, or regenerative states? It would be useful to have that in the case of suit breach or massive injury.
No. 811559 ID: 91ee5f

>(Didn't the last human focused xeno-sociology team go insane?).
Don't remind me! I remember that incident. We had to kill the poor bastards because they couldn't be rehabilitated. Especially since some of them had somehow become attracted to the Hunter! Just thinking about how that happened is making me-*insert barfing noises here* Ugh, medic! Someone get me a medic!
No. 811605 ID: 0d1514

No it should absolutely be 110% fuckable by humans
No. 811632 ID: 5792da

The base was destroyed by the Federation, not the Hunter.

>Sightings of the Hunter have been extremely rare following the destruction of SR388.

The Hunter is a non-issue.

No. 811638 ID: 0d1514

Why don't we just revive Ridley?
No. 811658 ID: c88e6d

I suggest Luminoth. Their weird light powers will be useful, and the Hunter saved their awful race from extinction, therefore she'll be less likely to murder our trooper on sight!
No. 811659 ID: e121d3

Since most offensive and utility functions will be in the suit, the main thing we need from our bounty hunter's body is endurance. Redundant organs, resistance to radiation, speedy healing, ability to withstand hostile environments in case of suit breach. Something with sufficient dexterity to perform repairs.

The secondary thing we need is for our agent to not attract suspicion and be capable of socializing. It would be well if they had keen senses, maybe a good sense of smell, for detecting the emotional responses of other species.

Also they should be cute. People don't question cute things.
No. 811661 ID: c88e6d

That's expensive as fuck and he's a Hunter magnet. Also, he's still alive right now so we'd be building an inferior MechaRidley.
No. 811665 ID: ba56e6

This is true, it's something that hasn't really been tried before. It would be an unexpected advantage.
No. 811736 ID: 0d1514

We can kill him and THEN revive him
No. 811737 ID: ba56e6

Now we're just getting into Herbert West territory.
No. 811846 ID: c88e6d

Also, Ridley outranks us, so what you said was mutiny AND treason.
No. 811991 ID: 45b631

Desires traits:
: Mostly harmless: The trooper should avoid hostile encounters so as to minimise intimate physical invasions that might result in incapacitation, damage or discovery.
: : Female: data suggests that females are frequently segregated from public violence.
: : Flora: Data suggests that plants are regarded as passive, and thus not targets for acts of physical dominance.
: : Minimal sexual characteristics: Much violence, confusion, and attention is caused by aliens, humans especially, and their bizarre mating rituals. Evasion and nonparticipation are advised.
: : Amorphous: Physical anomalies are often causes for attention. Removing physical consistency should reduce such encounters to a single reference to their inconsistency.
: Minimal emissions: Detection == bad.
: : Low metabolism: The mission is stealth-based. Speed should be of minimal value and loitering can provide opportunity to act unobserved.
: : Self-Stasis: An ability to remain viable and undetectable for extended periods would greatly enhance the subjects ability to operate in limited-resource environments and to remain retrievable in cases of partial mission failure.
: : Internal compartments: Internal storage would aid in minimising the visibility of equipment when not in use.
: Physical capability: The mission will require many activities.
: : Strength: the subject will be required to loosen the last jar of phazon-flavoured topical cream manipulate heavy and sturdy barriers. Massive, though not necessarily swift, strength proportional to its size may be required.
: : Climbing: Sometimes mission-critical items are located on the top shelf.
: : Regeneration: Operation in hostile environs is tolerable if a full recovery can be achieved. A swift recovery is of less concern.
: : Smol: Reduced size, even if only of two dimensions and temporary, may be required to navigate otherwise inaccessible paths.
: : Not Sudowoodo: Please no.
No. 812008 ID: ba56e6

>Not Sudowoodo: Please no.
Sudowoodo-Luminoth hybrid.
No. 812064 ID: f97b68

cease this line of thought
No. 812201 ID: be0718

Sudowoodo-Sudowoodo hybrid. You, you double-Sudowoodo.
No. 812313 ID: ba56e6

No. 812947 ID: d36af7

Something amorphous or cephalopoid. Body mostly matters when power armor is out of commission, so let the armor handle all the rigid-skeleton work and focus biotech on squeezing into tight spaces.
No. 813234 ID: 7d8168

I like both of these, so how about something vine-based?
No. 814044 ID: b27cac
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>Why don't we just revive Ridley?
>That's expensive as fuck and he's a Hunter magnet. Also, he's still alive right now so we'd be building an inferior MechaRidley.
>We can kill him and THEN revive him.
Stay focused, Science Team.

>Message received. Compiling short-list of superior organism traits. Analysing merits of existing proposals. Mimicking IMO Unit-02 speech patterns.
Report to ventral airlock for airlock testing.


Indexation complete.

Based off Science Team's criteria, the short-listed species for cloning are the Volviti, Ignole and Luminoth.
No. 814046 ID: b27cac
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Volviti are a plant based lifeform with a highly developed ability to perceive, manipulate and absorb electrical fields.

The plants evolved on a moon orbiting a gas giant which possessed a powerful magnetosphere and intense radiation belts. The ion charged atmosphere of the moon interacts with the gas giant's magnetosphere and creates an enormous dynamo. Most life on the moon has evolved extreme radiation tolerance and harvests energy from the powerful electrical and magnetic fields. Volviti rarely go off-world as they need an external power supply to avoid starving to death. They can absorb from most electrical sources to recharge their internal capacitors.

Anatomically, Volviti are vine clusters surrounding a collection of specialised organs and can adjust their shape if required. Damage to vines or most of their organs is not immediately fatal, only damage to their brain or capacitor stack. Despite their small size and inoffensive appearance, they are extremely strong when needed; they use chains of electrically repelled or attracted platelets instead of a conventional musculature system. They can leap and glide long distances by interacting with a planet's magnetic field and possess a biological railgun as a defence mechanism. Their main weakness is limited stamina: high powered applications of their biology quickly depletes their internal capacitors.
No. 814047 ID: 17c2ee

Ignole have tiddy, clone them.
No. 814049 ID: b27cac
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Ignoles are a relatively primitive, reptilian, pyrophile species with a unique thermal adaptation.

Their homeworld has an elliptical orbit that causes extreme temperature variation over the period of its short year. Temperatures range between low negatives and a thousand degrees. The lizards have adapted to this by developing an extreme form of thermal expansion.

During the hot season they distend their molecular structure to assume a powerful predatory form and during the cold season they cool down and contract most of their body into an insulated shell. They shut down some of their organs and conserve heat in their abdomen, thorax and head. Extreme cold makes them sluggish, slow witted and eventually forces them to hibernate. Thermal shock can force them to reflexively switch forms. They are also able to focus heat in their claws, creating a high temperature cutter.

Tidal shear and thermal stress causes extremely unpredictable volcanism and earthquakes on the Ignole homeworld. To overcome these threats they've developed thermal sensing pits, are excellent climbers and can burn their nutrient reserves to quickly regenerate lost body parts.

Ignoles are tolerant of environments that include the liquid phase of water (with some care, use of both forms should be possible) and should be conventionally attractive to at least some humans.
No. 814050 ID: b27cac
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The Luminoth are peers of the mysterious Chozo, one of the few elder races to remain visible in the modern era. Though severally diminished following their planetary war, within the last decacycle they have begun interacting with the Galactic Federation. They are an insectoid, nomadic race that settled on the rogue planet Aether to pursue 'enlightenment', according to their infuriatingly vague myths.

On this planet they built a series of energy controllers to regulate the dwindling planetary energy of their wandering planet, allowing them a vast level of understanding and control over various planetary phenomena as well as sophisticated subsystems such as a teleportation network.

Luminoth are exceedingly advanced and are peerless warriors: they are able to fly despite their great size and possess extreme durability, heightened reflexes, wide senses and psionic ability. It is uncertain to what extent these abilities are inherent and how many are improved through technological enhancement.

Their psionic abilities are thought to mainly be focused on holographic projection and high end energy manipulation, in particular the use of telekinetic barriers and creation and manipulation of the light they venerate. Their claims of portents and omens cannot be scientifically validated. As a different brain will be transplanted into the cloned Luminoth body, these abilities will not be fully reproduced. However it is believed that some are linked to sub-organs within their bodies and through experimentation and substitution limited reproduction may be possible.

Make a selection, Science Team.
No. 814051 ID: 0d1514

No. 814053 ID: 241143

Relatively Speaking, I believe the Volviti may be our best choice, though likely our most difficult one as well. I'm always one for a challenge, eh? Allow me to extrapolate.

Considering the lack of thermal extremes in most planetary systems, the choice of an Ignole would almost certainly result in them consistently taking the more condensed form (assuming the hot season is closer to the thousand degree subsection.) which would therefore lead us with the creation of a dimwitted, sluggish, and overall much smaller organism. Additionally, their nly means of non automated offense is physical combat. As much as superheating one's claws would be useful, it is ultimately pointless if they do not make contact with the intended target.

Normally, I would highly advocate for the creation of a Luminoth (And in fact, suggest the creation of one later for seperate testing into suborgan interaction and the potential to integrate such into space pirate physiology), However, as you stated before, due to a recent war, their numbers are few, and they just began interacting with the Federation at large. It would not be a far leap of logic to assume that the Federation would wish to keep an eye on all of the Luminoth that are seen, which would make any and all subterfuge completely null, defeating the point of choosing an other alien shell in the first place. Additionally, I have heard rumor of the Hunter interacting with such beings extensively, which may mean she may have filed a report on their general workings, attitude, and so on to the Federation, making blending in around the people that count even harder.

A Volviti, hooked up to an electrical system, can easily be played off as an explorer that doesn't know how things work. Additionally, their deceptive strength, ability to change their overall shape at will, and (most importantly) integrated emergency RANGED weaponry makes them the best choice for this SPECIFIC endeavor.
No. 814057 ID: 6d1052

Hm... I believe that the Volviti are likely the optimal choice.

The Ignole are useful, but their physiology would make it difficult to apply the power armor addition later.

Luminoth, as stated, would undoubtedly be under increased scrutiny, which would rather defeat the point of of the Stealth Trooper. I second performing tests on their sub-organs as a project later.

Volviti would take to the Power Armor remarkably well actually. It would work perfectly to supply energy for sustenance and could augment and further improve its natural railgun! In fact we may want to look into making a standardized beam weapon with such qualities for Commando use regardless of our choice...

It should be noted that only "Extreme Cold" causes Ignoles to become so sluggish. Regardless the Ignole are still suboptimal due to the increasing standardization of cryo weaponry that had been made to counter Metroid organisms. As a side note, did we manage to retain viable samples from the organism Gandrayda? If so we may wish to consider adding that to the list of potential species.
No. 814059 ID: 2120ee

Ignole for sure. When in doubt, expand jigglejogglers.
No. 814060 ID: 241143


You have a fair point! I would also like to recommend the reuse of at least some of Project Titan. While the use of Phazon was an astounding success, I personally was more interested in the organism's use of magnetic fields to manipulate it's own body, or at least something similar. Perhaps this could be integrated into a Power Suit formulated for a Volviti? Magnetic Fields and Electrical fields cannot be TOO different...
No. 814062 ID: 6d1052

*sigh* Just to check, is a Volviti's shape altering abilities capable enough for them to appear similar to a mammalian female?
No. 814067 ID: b1b4f3

Volviti. Because biological railgun.
No. 814073 ID: 91ee5f

Ignoles sound useful.

Regeneration, heat claws, size changing, and potential to distract humans!

Just make sure the brain we put in there isn't from one of the space pirates that have a fascination with chesticles. The last thing we need is for our Secret Trooper to spend all of their time playing with them instead of actually doing what we told them to do!
No. 814077 ID: ba506f

personally I kinda like the idea of making a power suit that both plays off of and aids an Ignoles biology and while the form change could be a problem if we don't have much control over it. If we could develop a suit that would let the user shift between both forms with ease it could be beneficial since they only start to slow down when exposed to extreme cold so having a agent that can somewhat shape shift could help them move around a bit more unnoticed and we could maybe take a page from the hunter's morph ball and let our agent move through areas and passages that otherwise wouldn't be possible or severely limit movement.

I'm a bit hesitant with the Volviti since their low stamina makes me worry seeing as they will be away from base for long periods of time to gather us resources and they seem more like a race that isn't built for long drawn out missions, seem better suited for a strike team or something. On the other hand I'm sure we could overcome this with the power suit we'd be making for them.

Lastly is the Luminoth. Part of me really wants to go with this since it would do wonders for our research on their kind and if we can somehow infiltrate a Luminoth habitat we could learn much from studying their technology. But the more practical part of me realize that it's probably not the best idea to send our base's sole savior out in a experimental body for the sole purpose of field testing it to see what does and doesn't work. Maybe some other time when resources aren't nearly as scarce as they are now.

So yeah in short, I pick the Ignoles since I feel they are the best suited for the task but I feel like we could make this work with any of the races since we will be giving them some power armor to shore up their weaknesses.
No. 814078 ID: 5792da

Never not moth.

They aren't quite as exciting or as curvaceous as the other options, but they have good physical traits, psychic options, and no great weaknesses or odd requirements (where the others require electricity and heat).

And like, why have a biological railgun when we can just have them carry a regular railgun? Why have regeneration when we have superior pirate cybernetic replacements?
No. 814080 ID: 5792da

Oh, and it's easier to armor a moth.

Volviti have both magnetic and electrical concerns when it comes to any kind of armor, with extra difficulty if that armor is powered or otherwise mounts electronics.

Ignoles, on the other hand, have the expansion problem; a suit of armor will only really work for one size or the other. And, of course, there'd be problems if external temperatures forced a change while the armor was in use.

Luminoth don't care. You can strap just about whatever onto 'em and it won't interfere with any biology (or receive interference from biology).
No. 814083 ID: ba56e6

Voring Luminoth.
No. 814086 ID: 6d1052

Excuse me?! We do not have the supplies to put Luminoth on the menu!

We'd have to take what little we'd learned from the *shudder* Morph Ball project to have any hope of making functional power armor for the Ignole, and some of us still have problems with that, even though the mindwipes!
No. 814090 ID: 91ee5f

You seem to be forgetting that the armor can cancel out external temperature changes!

I mean, that's how that damn Hunter can chase us through subzero environments and planets that are entirely made of volcanoes! Hell, she can even walk around in fucking lava and literally not break a sweat!

If her armor can do that, then we can do it with our armor too!
No. 814091 ID: 179856

We can use the old Morph Ball data for the armor size-change, just skip the internal compression bit as the Ignole can do that already.
For temperature concerns, surely we can put a heater/cooler into the armor.

Most importantly, smol Ignole can fit in tubes.
No. 814092 ID: be0718

I'm back! The ventral airlock's malfunctioning. Good thing you tested it before trying to shoot anyone out of it!
Volviti are, according to my highly scientific analysis, CUTE! This is, of course, unacceptable for a Trooper, secret or not.
Ignole show great promise, able to adopt two extremes of stature and temperature resistance. Also, they're pretty tall. Make sure the brain we put in there is from one of the space pirates that have a fascination with knockers- this will surely motivate the trooper to perform better.
No. 814097 ID: 241143


You pose an interesting option there, but I would like to reiterate that while I would normally be all for the Luminoth for the reasons you have listed, They would be under far heavier scrutiny by the Federation, which, once again, defeats the purpose of choosing a separate race entirely. If we simply wished for something in an incredibly powerful suit, It would be simple enough to augment a Space Pirate. Additionally, A Hunter suit could be made to counteract the weaknesses of both races. Overall, in a location of extreme duress, where the power suit is no longer functional and it is simply the species, It is better to have a reliable, ranged, and efficient defense. Again, I would highly suggest the Luminoth in a situation where at least some degree of stealth is not required. But in this case it is needed, and thusly the Luminoth will not do.

You offer up interesting potential creation for the suit, specifically one based off of both shapes. This could be radicalized in the suit created for the Volviti, allowing you to still create your shape changing suit while continuing with the most practical contender. On your concern with Stamina; it is clearly stated that the use of their internal capacitors is only used when they're subject to a continuous, high stress situation. If we're relying on species alone, I recommend highly avoiding these situations, to the point that tactical retreat should be considered. There is more data to be gained from a living test subject than a dead one, after all. ...Mostly because a living test subject can still die and then be studied further. In such situations, the Luminoth would do admirably, and I expect it's durability might even allow it to escape, coupled with flight... However, the Ignole would be left with very few escape options, and likely would (while still admirably) fight until it's regeneration and the opponent had completely destroyed it, rendering all knowledge potentially gained from a corpse useless. Both the Volviti and the Luminoth have more viable escapes, the former in the form of magnetic field gliding, and the later in straight flight.

My Vote is with the Volviti, Still. However, if it proves to be less than up to snuff, my secondary vote goes to the Luminoth, if only due to their hardier nature and built in escape potential for data recovery.

Also, we're Scientists, not idiots. Get your minds out of the proverbial gutters and focus on Efficiency, not the size of something's chest. Half of us aren't even capable of reproduction you mongrels.
No. 814098 ID: 6d1052

I nominate him for testing the morph function of the Ignole Power Armor!
No. 814100 ID: ba506f

>Also, we're Scientists, not idiots. Get your minds out of the proverbial gutters and focus on Efficiency, not the size of something's chest. Half of us aren't even capable of reproduction you mongrels.
it has less to do with what's on their chest and more to do with the fact that I like to burn things. It's what started me on my path to becoming a scientist after all.
No. 814105 ID: 179856

We're leaving the squishing part out, Ignoles don't need it.
What kind of Science are you playing at, to deny our Trooper proper access to the tubes?
No. 814110 ID: 182dd6

I've got a history with electric plants. Just have to vote for Volviti.
No. 814123 ID: b1b4f3

Can I just point out here that the volviti is small enough for a ball form as well?
No. 814124 ID: 6d1052

Not at all! Between the size of the Volviti and their shape altering abilities it'd in fact be easier to make a miniaturized form for the armor!
No. 814125 ID: 17c2ee

clone fire titty-mm-bop-bop-tittays
No. 814127 ID: 91ee5f

As of this post, the results so far are:

5 for Volviti.

6 for Ignole.

1 for Luminoth.

And 1 for eating a Luminoth for some strange reason?

If I missed any votes, thats because I couldn't for sure tell what someone was voting for.

I'm also not counting anyone that said anything like, "My secondary vote goes to this." I'm only counting primary votes here!
No. 814135 ID: d36af7

Volviti all the way. Their only significant weakness is lack of stamina, which could be trivially compensated for by hooking the armor's main power supply to induction coils wrapped around the torso. This is supposed to be a covert mission, and luminoth or ignole would attract far too much attention.
No. 814140 ID: d79f26

Volviti for electric powers
No. 814146 ID: e121d3

I'd vote Ignole! As we'll be giving them a space pirate brain, becoming slow witted in low temperatures should not be so much of a problem, and can be compensated for with the suit anyway. Maybe even a little cybernetic enhancement? More than that, being able to take a smaller form will give them an ability with much of the same benefits as the Hunter's blasted morph ball!
No. 814156 ID: c68397

Volviti, simply because if it turns out to be a bad bountyhunter, we can still use it as battery
No. 814169 ID: d8ce3a

I vote Ignole, they seem like they'd need the least work to be made a viable agent, and should be viable in or out of the forthcoming armor. WITH the armor, there should be several options that will make them even more viable!
No. 814183 ID: 91ee5f


8 for Volviti.

8 for Ignole.

Luminoth remains at 2.
No. 814190 ID: be0718

Oh, forgot to mention - The Varia Suit technology should ensure that our Ignole trooper is always precisely the temperature they want to be.
No. 814194 ID: 486e87

Voting Ignole, they have a similar limb structure to space pirates which should allow our trooper to adapt to their new body more easily.
No. 814198 ID: ce19bd

Voting volviti.
No. 814208 ID: 0d1514

>Taking the easy way
are you even a space pirate
No. 814225 ID: ba56e6

Luminoth is fallen by the wayside, so I'll vote fire lizard.
No. 814245 ID: c88e6d

Why in Kraid's name would we take anything but the giant moth people? Luminoth!

Besides, he'll be in power armor.

REMEMBER GUYS, HE'LL BE IN POWER ARMOR. Heat pits are useless when you are wearing a helmet.
No. 814250 ID: 91ee5f


9 for Volviti.

10 for Ignole.

1 for Luminoth.

Luminoth lost a vote because someone changed their vote to Ignole.

Again I'd like to remind you, these are what I think the votes are. Please feel free to double check and correct me if you think I'm wrong. Because I probably am wrong!
No. 814254 ID: 91ee5f

Oops! Another vote snuck in while I was typing!

It's now:

9 for Volviti.

10 for Ignole.

2 for Luminoth.
No. 814340 ID: d36af7

>Heat pits are useless when you are wearing a helmet
Useless and redundant! If heat vision and melee weapons are likely to be important while out of the armor, a Volviti could simply be equipped with IR cameras and some sort of concealed laser sword as cybernetics, either powered by the electrical metabolism or with an integral RTG - which wouldn't even need to be shielded, apart from armoring the braincase, thanks to volviti radiation tolerance! Conversely, Ignole-compatible implants would need to accommodate the size-shifting.

Given that this is such a close race, and the likelyhood that multiple prototypes will be required before a functional agent is ready to be sent out, would it be possible to start development on both Volviti and Ignole models in parallel, and simply deploy whichever becomes ready first? Competition might help the Science Team stay focused on mission-critical features rather than getting sidetracked into impracticality.
No. 814351 ID: 5b93d3

Electro-plant best plant!
No. 814375 ID: 3abd97

Volviti sound like they integrate well with a hard suit. Servos and external batteries offset their weaknesses, and we don't need to shield the suit against certain energy fields that are beneficial to them.

Ignoles seem less than ideal. Changing form at the wrong time or with a damaged suit could be catastrophic. And if the suit is breached at any time, that's what is going to happen.

Just no to the Luminoth. Our gear won't match theirs, and if our agent should bump into any of their assets we attract needless scrutiny.
No. 814393 ID: 91ee5f


11 for Volviti.

10 for Ignole.

2 for Luminoth.

I've gotta say, I'm disappointed the Volviti is winning. It's just basically a repeat character type we've had in Arhra's previous quests.

Shapeshifting? [Default] from Nanogoo.

Plant based? Alice Dietrich from Bloom.

Unbelievably adorable looking without even needing to try? Alkaline from Dungeoneer.

I picked Ignole because I honestly think we can make it work if we give it a chance! And, to me, the Volviti sound like taking the easy way out by voting for a character type that we're all familiar with.

But, I literally can't force anyone to change their votes, so I guess everyone keep voting until Arhra's next update to decide the winner!
No. 814427 ID: 6d1052

Hm... Thinking on it some more, it might actually be easier than I thought to make an adaptable Power Armor for Ignole, if we use the data from their own shells in the making for it.

I suppose in the interest of working with the limited materials we have the Ignole would be the best option.

As much as I'd like to use the Volviti for our Stealth Trooper it's too fragile on its own, and the high energy requirements necessary for it's survival is less than ideal considering our limited resources. If we weren't in such dire straits, then the Volviti would be better, but needs must. On the upside since the Ignole are a more predatory species it'll require less conditioning for it to maintain character.

(You make a fair point Vote Counter. Changing my vote to Ignole.)
No. 814446 ID: da1652

Voting Ignole
Though.. would an implanted brain be able to fully withstand the body's limits?
No. 814462 ID: 2aba49

I'm voting for Ignole
No. 814473 ID: 031add

A point I have not yet seen made, if we do obtain the body-jacking upgrade it would be beneficial to be a giant walking taser. My vote is for the Volviti.
No. 814474 ID: 45b631

Volviti approved. Suggest incorporating electrical feeding capacity into armour and registering it as a form of life-support. It should be required only periodically, but inferior Federation Taxonomy science shall prevent the separation of a being from its life-support equipment. Permanent use of armour should enhance identity obfuscation and ability to avoid identification when separated from armour. Additionally, armour should be able to negate the stamina issues by providing additional charge at a rapid rate.

Addendum: extreme cuteness quotient indicates that he subject will be trustworthy. All attempts at speculation of traitorous intent returned a null mental process.
No. 814480 ID: 91ee5f


12 for Volviti.

13 for Ignole.

2 for Luminoth.
No. 814513 ID: 45b631

Further assessment:
>>814393 Plant based? Alice Dietrich from Bloom.
Theory: Alice donors nonfloral. Donors Human, Xotl, Species code "ftaghn ftaghn ftaghn ftaghn ftaghn ia ftaghn".
Reassessment of voltini:
Adjustment of outer shell. Adjustment of internal structure. Abundant nonvital organs.
Amorph quotient: 7
Eats forces of planetary stability.
Devouring of cosmic will quotient: 7
Prose: "With thunder as from the gods and a brilliance that consumed all sight the subject of its ill intent was rent from existence"
Wields power of gods quotient: 5
Taxonomy: Volviti reassessed from "flora" to "[translation error]".
No. 814522 ID: b27cac
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Stalemate detected.

>Given that this is such a close race, and the likelihood that multiple prototypes will be required before a functional agent is ready to be sent out, would it be possible to start development on both Volviti and Ignole models in parallel, and simply deploy whichever becomes ready first? Competition might help the Science Team stay focused on mission-critical features rather than getting sidetracked into impracticality.
Excellent proposal Science Team. This stalemate resolution procedure will be used. Through competition, excellence will be achieved.

The Secret Trooper project will be forked into two development teams: Boiler Team will work on a Ignole clone and Garden Team will work on a Volviti clone.

Project Boiler will be conducted here.

Project Garden will be conducted here.

Risk means progress!

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