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17120 No. 17120 ID: 288dda

I seem to be running a quest and I'm not entirely sure how this happened.

So, here's this thread. I'm going to throw a bit of setting info out tonight in an organized fashion but feel free to ask things, discuss amongst yourselves, and criticize my art and writing. (Constructively, I hope.)
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No. 29212 ID: 2563d4

>>339011
Man, I don't even know what to think any more.

Except that the bottom row of this is the next chapter: >>/draw/2091 :V
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No. 29254 ID: 2563d4

>>338821
>though in the future you can fork your brain-meats and successfully play I Spy with yourself
>Lyanpushingalyanoutofalake.png
>fork your brain-meats
>Lyanpushingalyan
>fork your brain-meats
>DENTAL PLAN
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No. 29289 ID: bd3722

OK i have a theory.

If Lyan was not always "GOOD" and was holding a grudge against the whole society, then it could be possible that he wanted to get rid of Immortality.

He wanted to make it impossible to create proper Copies by spreading this basilisk.

So the whole society gets mortal again.

It's kinda like the ending of Fight Club.
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No. 29291 ID: 8bdb6a

I don't think the worm targets copying, though. It just kills everything except Lyan. (And Sal, who is also Lyan)
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No. 29298 ID: 26adcd

>>339091
so the problem could be 'solved' by making everyone part lyan?
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No. 29299 ID: 8c3899

>>339098
Such a crazy idea! You lyanatic!
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No. 29301 ID: 2563d4

>>339091
...but it's killed Lyan at least once too.

Maybe he was trying to commit final suicide but forgot that everyone was Weaver Lyan. :V
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No. 29386 ID: f123de
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29386

I need to pare back on the questing to focus on other things for a while. Since I seem to be incapable of spending less effort on individual updates, and I'd rather not have a week or more between updates like I've done too often already, I thought I would put it to a vote.

Option 1) remain paused between chapters for a while longer

Option 2) begin chapter III, progress the story to a better stopping point, and then announce a mid-thread hiatus

Thanks for reading, and we apologize for the inconvenience.
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No. 29387 ID: 15b51b

Update nao.
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No. 29388 ID: 7c0299

Party now, study later!
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No. 29389 ID: 1854db

This is the best stopping point. CONTINUE HIATUS!
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No. 29392 ID: 2563d4

As part of the "leaving quests on haitus for a month mid-thread is hilarious" club, I am required to vote for option II even though it's a terrible idea.
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No. 29394 ID: e973f4

>>339186
I would think the answer to this question should be self-evident.

Do you want to be like me, N?

Do you?
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No. 29399 ID: 6f96b6

>>339186
Pause. Take as much time as you want to make up your story.
Weeks or a month ... but inform us befor you continue.
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No. 29401 ID: c162ea

Going to vote for option one. Better to not start something, then pause midway. Besides, this was a great cliffhanger to wait at.
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No. 29405 ID: 6547ec

If you decide to go until you find a good stopping point, you won't find one. You just won't; there will be SOMETHING else you want to handle before you go in hiatus. Break now, or everyone will regret it.
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No. 29414 ID: c23db5

I think Option 1 seems best. Leaving things on such a cliffhanger for now isn't that bad.
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No. 31748 ID: fa0376

2011.03.07

Resumes in 1 Msec.
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No. 31776 ID: 50ccca

WOOHOO!
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No. 32847 ID: 5038ee

Did i miss the thread?
Link maybe? :p
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No. 32867 ID: 977a5a

It turns out that when I arrived at home last night around 10 pm my internet was dead. Continued to be dead well past 2am, then I went to bed.

Apologies for the lame excuse.
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No. 32880 ID: 5038ee

>>342667
NO problem ^-^ take your time :3
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No. 33247 ID: 57247c

New Thread
http://quest.lv/kusaba/quest/res/287815.html
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No. 34034 ID: 2563d4
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34034

>>/quest/290329
>hostile ramen

...
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No. 34215 ID: 252e1b

Sal's infection has been active for at least 2.6 Msecs, so we have around 5 Msecs to come up with a solution of some kind before we really start to lose Sal. Maybe less, Lyan is a meat-brain, Sal's mostly hardware. Anyway, when Sal starts getting paranoid-delusional, it'll be time to freeze his brain. The basilisk can't kill him if it can't run.

We'll need to leave detailed instructions on whatever work is finished, just in case Lyan succumbs before he finishes.

It's possible that the infected state vectors in Hab 58 (and Hab 58's infected hardware) have already been salvaged and examined. I doubt we can afford to spend a few tens of Msecs or more writing the counter-basilisk. We've already lost a month in transit, and whoever wanted to kill Lyan will eventually realize that he's somehow survived it (this is the best case scenario by the way, if the murderer just wanted to kill the Network they'll have seeded this basilisk all over). Maybe it's time to build the computing space required to let tens or hundreds of Lyans work in parallel. Keep the computer local only, set it up so that the infected material here is destroyed if Lyan and Sal fail to solve their problem in time.

After the basilisk is defeated, we can decide how we're going to wage war against the paranoid admins who have been running the VN probe program.
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No. 34234 ID: fa7b85

>>339004
Even in your quests.. THE FLUFFY
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No. 34437 ID: 15b51b

Okay. Sorry if this seems harsh, but I'm just gonna dump my current HS thoughts here:

Nobody I've asked can remember why we visited Ara. Skimming chapter 2 didn't really clear it up, either. We want his help for something, but I have no idea what kind of help we were hoping to get, or why.

The chapter was set up such that Lyan was mad at Sal. This led me to believe that Lyan had realized things about Sal sufficient to make him really mad, so I was trying to play along, but it would have helped if he was more explicit about it. Or maybe I was just overreacting. In any case, we appear to have forgiven him for whatever it was. (I know about the "My own clone!" part, but I don't know enough about Network society to know whether that's considered a serious faux pas or a mortal offense or what)

All I've really got right now is this abstract understanding that we need to save the world. Well, sorta. The world we started on was destroyed already, so we're trying to save a more abstract world. But we also need to stop the world because it's bad. And maybe that's what the basilisk is actually doing and we need to just sit back and let it do its thing? Like, maybe all that weird cyberspace green shit was Phase II of the infection and it does something different? Who knows? Not us! (I have no idea what we were supposed to get out of that sequence, to be totally honest)

Now I'm totally confused and have no idea what we should do, or even what we can do right now.

Also, I don't know why there's this whole issue of trust with Sal. He can just program us to think whatever he wants, and he's our only source of information. We have no real ability to go against his wishes. Whatever they are.

Also, I'm still a little unclear about why he killed us the second time. With the black rubber ball.

Basically, it seems like Sal is our boss and we can't do anything about it (and have no reason to try because we have no alternative plan and no information with which to make a plan and he can just hack us whenever he wants anyway) but he's being really unclear about what he wants us to do.

Frankly, I don't know why he keeps letting us tag along. He seems like he'd be much more productive without us. He's this shapeshifting hypertech multi-megawatt puppetmaster guy who can hack unicorns and build computronium, and we're this big doofy emotionally unstable hermaphroditic sergal clone with no internet connectivity who doesn't know anything about anything.
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No. 34438 ID: 2563d4

>>344237
>last paragraph
Ah.

We're the comic relief support character.
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No. 34441 ID: b6ca92

>>344238
>I hate it when things that don't make sense MAKE sense.
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No. 34456 ID: 2563d4

>>344241
It could be worse.

We could be the Bond girl.
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No. 34458 ID: 08a5f4

>>344256
I dunno, I could stand to see Lyan in a cocktail dress.
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No. 34459 ID: 2563d4
 

>>344258
[Kill the virus! Hit the master override switch!]
"The what?"
[Lyan?]
"Yes Sal?"
[Now listen carefully. There's a console up there. All you need to do is resplange the fleegle with the wharzig.]
"..."
[Lyan, are you still there? It'll be on the auxiliary exocortex circuit.]
"Pre-hensile cli-tor...is that it?"
[Just push every damn button will you!]
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No. 34525 ID: 252e1b

>>344237

The trouble is that the quest's setting presupposes a certain amount of familiarity with the basic concepts inherent in a future civilization, and most of the people who play quests have attention spans that are too short to have ever become familiar with them in the first place.

We are the people who think books smell like old socks. We are the people who want circuses to go with our bread. We are the sergal-lovers and the onion-skinned man children of the 21st century. And that's ok. But we're never going to be able to play a game with a plot deeper than "does it bite very hard? No? STICK YOUR DICK IN IT!"

(Then Go Somewhere Else)
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No. 34526 ID: 2563d4

>>344325
>We
Oh, hello. It's you.

I don't think you mean "we", and I don't think "we" is correct either.
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No. 34527 ID: 15b51b

>>344325
Man what?

If you're so smart, maybe you could try and help clear up my confusion and offer some ideas about short to mid-term plans instead of just rambling aimlessly about how you're so much smarter than us.
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No. 34529 ID: 252e1b

Point by point address of the questions in >>344237

>Nobody I've asked can remember why we visited Ara.

Ara was the best choice for any sort of help Sal could hope to reach with the resources Lyan's body represented. Ara's choice of habit (non-consent violence LARP with a crippled version of the Network which is incredibly important for preventing the infection from spreading) put her on the short list for good choices of allies. Her lifystyle and experience made her the best. A 50 gsec old motile nanoswarm living in a simulated(?) caldera means she only wants contact on her terms, and thus should be pretty self-sufficient. She was an isolated contact with the available resources to help, and who was at least inclined to hear out Sal and Lyan instead of just destroy them when she realized the threat they represented to everything by virtue of their basilisk infection.

>The chapter was set up such that Lyan was mad at Sal. This led me to believe that Lyan had realized things about Sal sufficient to make him really mad, so I was trying to play along, but it would have helped if he was more explicit about it. Or maybe I was just overreacting. In any case, we appear to have forgiven him for whatever it was. (I know about the "My own clone!" part, but I don't know enough about Network society to know whether that's considered a serious faux pas or a mortal offense or what)

Lyan explicitly said it was illegal to make multiple states of himself when he was exploring himself as he was being brought back on-line by Sal at the start of chapter 2. There were other hints too, like how Lyan reacted to the news he and Sal were both copies. And we were told a little about how Network society brought new people into its fold when we met Mika. All in all, the hints were there that copies were not considered acceptable in the Network.

>All I've really got right now is this abstract understanding that we need to save the world. Well, sorta. The world we started on was destroyed already, so we're trying to save a more abstract world. But we also need to stop the world because it's bad. And maybe that's what the basilisk is actually doing and we need to just sit back and let it do its thing? Like, maybe all that weird cyberspace green shit was Phase II of the infection and it does something different? Who knows? Not us! (I have no idea what we were supposed to get out of that sequence, to be totally honest)

That was the Lyan-state that was left behind in the Lethe center when the Habitat died (the one who had just had his memory wiped). That Lyan encountered the basilisk somewhere in the ruins of the processing matter of the habitat.

>Also, I don't know why there's this whole issue of trust with Sal. He can just program us to think whatever he wants, and he's our only source of information. We have no real ability to go against his wishes. Whatever they are.

Sal can mess with Lyan's head a little, but for Lyan to have any value to Sal, Lyan had to be a relatively blank slate. Lyan was similar to the computer image that you would see on a recovery disk, while Sal was the nearly-identical computer that had all your favorites and settings and bullshit anime shows saved and was infected with a virus. Sal wanted to be able to figure out what the virus did, and how to remove it while doing as little damage as possible, and to do that he needed something to compare against. Hence, he engineered Lyan.

>Also, I'm still a little unclear about why he killed us the second time. With the black rubber ball.

That was a device Sal made to back up Lyan's brain state. It would kill him to stop the brain from changing while it was being read, and then the device would read it, and then finally the device would rebuilt it and restart Lyan's metabolism. Risky, crude, but better than not having any back up.

>Basically, it seems like Sal is our boss and we can't do anything about it (and have no reason to try because we have no alternative plan and no information with which to make a plan and he can just hack us whenever he wants anyway) but he's being really unclear about what he wants us to do.

Sal is a desperate man, and Lyan is his victim. However, because Lyan has the same talent at hacking as Sal does, Lyan is not a powerless victim. Meeting Ara was the first real chance Lyan had at rebelling because through Ara he could have asked for help (he could have done it with the LARPers but they would have had to have been brought up to speed at the risk of totally blowing whatever advantage Sal bought them both by pretending to be dead). Remember, at this point we're still not sure if the basilisk was a murder weapon or something worse.

>Frankly, I don't know why he keeps letting us tag along. He seems like he'd be much more productive without us. He's this shapeshifting hypertech multi-megawatt puppetmaster guy who can hack unicorns and build computronium, and we're this big doofy emotionally unstable hermaphroditic sergal clone with no internet connectivity who doesn't know anything about anything.

Sal's systems were compromised by the basilisk, and he was losing against it. He told us that. He needed Lyan because Lyan was a blanked template that he could compare himself against and use as a test-bed for anti-basilisk solutions. He was nowhere near his full capability. Lyan, being a meat type body was apparently more resistant to the effects of the basilisk.

Sal was completely untrustworthy beyond doing whatever it took to save his own skin.
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No. 34551 ID: 0d9cc4

So was that an April fools joke or did we win by jumping into a pool of lava?


I'm using Charlie Sheen's definition of winning in that question.
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No. 34552 ID: 0b9d09

Yeah, I haven't been following this quest very closely but I was also kind of curious if "and then the main characters died in lava" is actually the ending
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No. 34562 ID: 2563d4

>>344352
Man, I can't even be certain (not least because I'm forgetful) if that's even all the PoV characters gone. Cyberspace Lyan might still be about (let along any other non-PoV clones).
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No. 34580 ID: bb7f2b

Well, it certainly could be official - half the joke was that "protagonist, kill yourself" was the most well though-out suggestion I had from the last batch. Go me.

I would rather put on my professor hat and answer things, but I am away from my tablet for several more days. A few things may as well be said right now.

The trip to the volcano had no specific goal beyond "a really old thing might help," but the offer includes sharing of Ara's Network allotment - nearly unlimited mass and power rations for the duration. The extremely thorough post a few back was substantially correct, but has a number of shaky assumptions.

More in a few days, but if you have questions you would like answered please ask. I have a few already queued, such as "what was Lyan actually good at, again?"
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No. 34607 ID: 15b51b

The trouble is, we know he's good at hacking, but has no network connectivity. It's a bit like being the most skillful telekineticist in the world, but you don't actually have telekinesis. Meanwhile, Sal's just as good as hacking and has all of the necessary abilities, resources, and manufacturing capacity to actually (theoretically) make use of it.

But even if Lyan could reach out and connect with things, we wouldn't want him to, because he'd just infect whatever he's connected with.

I was hoping that meeting Ara would kinda open up a new aspect of the quest, and bring us to a level where we're somehow actually able to tackle the whole basilisk problem. Since that is not the case, I'm completely lost about what to do next. (Other than jump in the lava)
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No. 34611 ID: 2563d4

>>344407
...or having a Computer Science PhD while being stranded on a desert island.

"Man, I could totally quicksort all these coconuts by size. If I had a huge infrastructure behind me I could write a website to let people rate and comment on them, too."

"I wish that was in any way useful right now."

I mean it's not like >>337774 is lacking skills, but the skills that are pertinent to the problem are incredibly abstract (e.g. computer security), and Lyan's answer to "uh, write a countervirus" is "that would take time". Welp. '\o/`
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No. 34612 ID: 2563d4

>>344411
I mean, boiling that down, it's:
Sergalyan
• Go toe-to-toe with a Tozol
• Computer stuff
• Infect the Network simply by being observed, like it or not
Salyan
• Shapeshifting and the usual damage resistance that goes with it
• Alchemy
• Wrap Sergalyan around its little finger, toe, and many other interesting appendages, physically and mentally

The person-level fightan stuff is useless for the big picture; we're done punching elves for now. What we need now is either computer skills to pick the whatever apart and find out if it's doing what we want to stop the Network's VN drones grey goo-ing everything and prevent that if it isn't (which doesn't seem approachable), or a social engineering angle to achieve at least the first half of the same (which doesn't seem to work---Ara's not much help, Salyan remains obstinate, and Salyan is probably the Lyan most positioned to know the answers).
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No. 34921 ID: f123de
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34921

I thought about leaving the April Fool's joke up for a year, but that one's already been done.

The quest isn't dead. I feel like I owe it to all three of the people following to keep going. Just... trying to figure out how to do it, and where to get the free time to do it in.
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No. 34922 ID: 07416a

>>344721
Personally just started following it and think it's fantastic.
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No. 34923 ID: cc04a7

I have no idea who you are nor do I follow your quest but I absolutely adore your art.
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No. 34931 ID: 0988c9

>>344721
i'm happy it was JUST A JOKE .-.

Got kinda scared there
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No. 34933 ID: f5c7b6

>>344721

Well, if you're continuing I'm eagerly awaiting it. I'm terrible and following and suggesting in a timely manner, but I love the quest all the same.
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No. 39813 ID: e5f721

:(

Just finished it. Please make more.
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No. 41433 ID: 063c28

Just binged this myself; it was great, and much as I agree that it's kind of unclear what Lyan should be doing at this juncture, I'm extremely eager to see more. Please continue!
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