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>>327344
>You're deliberately misunderstanding my point
>People should not be expected to think a quest is "good" just because someone likes it.
And shit is always shit, even if some people like it.
No, I'm pretty sure I've got your point. "Even if some people think something is good, it can be objectively shitty, because I say so".
You can dislike a quest others like, sure. You personally don't have to think a quest is good just because others do. But no, shit is not always shit just because you say it is.
Especially because the same people who make such unquestionable judgments about others will do the opposite for themselves.
Take this for instance:
>>327304
>There are some very good quests here that rarely if ever got activity (I remember I had to samefag on the first quest I wrote because no one cared before I eventually dumped it)
This guy's point is objectionable because it implicitly states "My first quest was very good".
He objects to it getting few posts because to him, despite the fact he had to samefag and no one was interested, he states outright, as objective fact, that it was a very good quest.
Do you see where I'm going with this?
The problem, I mean the real problem with criticism around here is that people who make the point you do can so rarely help themselves from presenting it as a hostile, unhelpful, and offensive manner. Even teamsleep, who I just quoted, was detailed in his criticism of the example fanfic even when it was strongly-worded. He at least pointed out one aspect of why it was bad -- a schizophrenic writing style. Even when real critics speak badly on something, calling it dreck or whatever, they point out why. They say what it did wrong, and even if they're really harsh about it, it's constructive criticism because it points out what was wrong, how it was wrong, and in what ways it could have been improved.
Conversely, around here, you'll see a lot of THIS QUEST IS SHIT, EVERYONE WHO READS IT IS SHIT TOO. And when that type of criticism is attacked, the people making the criticism will inevitably turn around, as Squeegy did here >>327359 and say "OH WHAT SO WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CRITICIZE ANYTHING, IS THAT IT?"
So to wit:
Criticism is fine. It doesn't even have to be lovey-dovey, pulled-punch soft criticism that avoids hurting feelings. But if you're going to make the argument for criticism as a vital component of the board, you need to be able to recognize the difference between useful, constructive criticism (which CAN be harsh) and just shitting on something you don't like. If you can't recognize the difference, you need to stop.
Telling someone to stop shitting on something is not the same as saying "you can never criticize anything, ever".
And lastly, if you feel something is so bad it CAN'T be given constructive criticism, so that all you can really do is rant about how shitty it is to all the people who gobble it up, then no amount of criticism you give would ever turn it around and you're probably just best hiding it forever.
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