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48871 No. 48871 ID: d6af4f

The discussion thread for that one quest with the green guy and the mimiga cutebold psycho
girl.
Edit: This discussion thread can serve to cover all quests within asteroidverse and any offshoots. Fen Quest has its own dis thread at https://tgchan.org/kusaba/questdis/res/84312.html
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No. 122513 ID: 12b116
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122513

Why did we need a poll to tell us what was already confirmed fact?
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No. 122522 ID: a363ac
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122522

>>122513
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No. 122524 ID: 9aca35

>>122512
damn I missed the entire thing, would a single extra Rokoa vote at the applicable times have gotten her further?

not that it matters now, Polo is good for the top spot.
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No. 122525 ID: d2e2ce

>>122524
Nope. She made it into the semifinals, but only got 2 votes. Even if you'd voted for her then, she'd have tied with Pilon at 3 votes, and still been below Koror's 4 votes. At least you can feel secure that you didn't make her lose.
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No. 122527 ID: 3804c3

>>122524
It's okay I didn't know this was going on either.
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No. 122530 ID: 2aba49

>>122513
nice

>>122524
>>122527
I missed it too, but I would have voted for Polo anyway
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No. 123394 ID: ad7c25

Okay now I've just had a thought (I'm sorry), if the only difference between Unnatural Selection and UnseUnce is the sex then does that mean that in Unnatural Selection when Allison had all the AIs brought out from the Belenos sim that there were cannon versions of all the characters we've met in UnseUnce? Like is there a cannon version of Incoming Wife and Justice Husband in the CAI city?
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No. 123395 ID: 3abd97

>>123394
It's possible, even probable, yeah. If you take the view that Unse Unce is just us replaying the same Belenos sim with a different strategy.

But there's been hints that there's some degree of randomization that make different instances of the CAI battles not exactly the same. And things in Unse Unce were slightly different as soon as we showed up: like the brothel Vinyl works at, or Yallows not being around at all. It's possible that might mean some NPCs show up in one version of the sim, but not others.

Another possible example of that: we know Arbiter is a reincarnated Diamond- that means in one of the early cycles, someone rescued the Diamond Emperor from the simulation. But Diamond was dead when we played in canon and Unse Unce. Which means they either played a different Belenos sim than we did (one that takes place in an early year maybe? Or one where a different emperor was killed off?), or they found Diamond hidden and alive somewhere and we missed that particular secret.
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No. 123397 ID: ad7c25

>>123395
This does make me some what happy but you know what'll make me real happy?
Guys help me out here, how many cycles had passed till Glitcher and Rulekeeper stp everything?
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No. 123398 ID: 3abd97

>>123397
>Guys help me out here, how many cycles had passed till Glitcher and Rulekeeper stp everything?
The current cycle is 3119, if that's what you mean.

Although the total number of cycles was longer. Likol and co stopped the experiment and reset things a few time. The cycles included in those earlier "archcyles" of the experiment aren't included in the current count.
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No. 123408 ID: ad7c25

>>123398
So with over 3000 cycles is it not within the realm of possibility that the Ultra Non-Cannon Extravaganza may in fact BE CANNON!
Yeah no I didn't think so either and while that would make me happy enough that I couldn't leave the house without being arrested I and we all can hopefully take comfort in the idea that one of those cycles has placed a sex fiend Allison into Unnatural Selection cannon.
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No. 123422 ID: caf1de

Looking through we never did Party Gang 1
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No. 123646 ID: 8c0673

I'm really sorry if this has been asked before, but are there any plans to continue Polokoa Quest?
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No. 123650 ID: c518a0

>>123646

Yes. If I can overcome my inability to get anything done.
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No. 123651 ID: 7fad5d

How egg
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No. 123782 ID: 9125e0
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123782

spent like all night on this but is amazing I used a Image of a ITQ for Reference
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No. 123783 ID: fcd056

>>123782
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5HOt0ZOcYk
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No. 123785 ID: 15a025

>>123782
That's pretty rad!
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No. 123786 ID: 9125e0

XD
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No. 123801 ID: 9125e0
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123801

Also my gta crew .btw that Emblem was the first one I ever attempt at making on GTA and it took me forever to get it done
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No. 124003 ID: eafb40

>>123650
Are you anywhere online? Neither your DeviantArt account nor your FurAffinity account have updated in forever. Do you've a Discord or a Tumblr? Are you on the OPP forum?
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No. 124004 ID: 44b1bb

>>124003
Let us know so we can stalk you on the internet.
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No. 124016 ID: 9125e0

Yeah Jukashi let us be your internet stalker hideing in the bush's waiting for Polokoa Quest 3
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No. 124028 ID: 44b9db

Seeing the new Polo quest thread with Penn go up was actually the highlight of my day.
Thanks for creating Lago.
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No. 124102 ID: 9125e0
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124102

So in Anticipation for the next Pen quest update I made a new shirt,I really liked the movie poster shirt from dating a murder neumono so I made an attempt to make it.
Sadly I do not have very many colors to work with witch means it’s off color.

Next shirt I’ll try to make will be the “Polo does it from behind” shirt XD.

Also I don’t know if this has been ask before but Lagotrope is there a chance for some asteroidquest merch at all
I would die for a three stripes plushie.

Also one last thing
Lagotrope you made my day too when PoloQuest 7 came up,your one of if not the Radis Quest author on the internet.
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No. 124138 ID: bfb318

Thanks, and good stuff.

To answer the question re: merchandise, I've considered the possibility, but there's likely too small an audience to really do any kind of significant investment towards merch. Basic standardized stuff (stickers, t-shirts, mousepads, basically 2d stuff printed onto various surfaces) is more doable though, with very little investment required.

A three stripes plush though is pretty high up, as it requires finding someone with the skills, knowledge, and materials to make a custom shaped plush like that. I'm unsure of anyone who does that sort of thing, save for businesses that only do wholesale at a required quantity of 500+ or some such.

Admittedly, if not for the requirements for a plush, a three stripes plush would be the first merch done. Maybe someday.
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No. 124139 ID: 9125e0

Thanks for the response Lagotrope I appreciate it.

I would love t-shirts and stickers too.

Well keep on Questing.




....One day il have that ThreeStripes plushie one day...
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No. 124140 ID: 9125e0

I think its Kind of funny that the first time I saw anything AsteroidQuest was on CoD blackops2
he was spawnkilling my team pretty hard and his calling card emblem was ThreeStripes,so it kept flashing across my screen for a good 5 minutes of getting spawn killed.
Bout a week later and I fownd Tgchan and AsteroidQuestIntermishon#1 was the threed I randomly picked to see what quest were.


ever since Iv roamed CoD lobbys looking for that man. lol
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No. 124141 ID: 9125e0

*Tread*
sorry but its late and I miss spelled some things
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No. 124142 ID: 3b108e

For plushes, talk to Crows, the author of Frontier Quest. He has a source for custom plushes and some other people in tgchan have done business. I think someone got one of Katzati.
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No. 124177 ID: 9125e0

so im trying to start up a quest
but i dont know how to make a thread can somebody help me?
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No. 124179 ID: 90f3c0

>>124177
Just use the form at the top of the main quest board. https://tgchan.org/kusaba/quest/

Also, there's a quest advice thread for question like this. https://tgchan.org/kusaba/questdis/res/121761.html
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No. 124182 ID: 9125e0

thanks it rely helped me
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No. 124183 ID: 9125e0

thanks it rely helped me
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No. 124211 ID: 166e1c

Faraday cage can prevent electromagnetic fields generated outside to affect objects inside but don't prevent electromagnetic fields generated inside to affect objects outside. Being inside one prevent you from receiving signals but you can still send.
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No. 124217 ID: b1b4f3

>>124211
Not so. Microwaves use the faraday cage effect to contain their radiation.
The blocking effect goes both ways, BUT the cage has to be grounded for that to work. If it's not grounded, then yes, internal signals can escape.
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No. 124218 ID: 5b93d3

>>124217
Technically grounding is only required if you want to pass signals in and out (e.g. running a conductor through the cage). If the inside is isolated, then grounding is unnecessary (and potentially counterproductive).
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No. 124401 ID: 1fbbcc

People seem to be putting a lot more stock in the idea of the ASE seeing Penn as a leader or object of admiration in herself than seems wise to me. Like, I think that "biological reincarnation" sounds a lot like one half of a true reincarnation, the other half being mental, body + mind. That Penn is basically a vessel pre-made for a takeover by some brain download seems like one of the more likely scenarios, and for all we know the ASE does have some sapphire brain scan they dug up sitting around waiting to go - if you wanted to entertain some indiana jones ancient conspiracy thinking, maybe the ASE are even descended from some cult that's been holding on to such a thing for thousands of years. Secret imperial/science/technology cults seem like they would have been a thing for the tribal belenosians.

The way someone looks at their god, and the way someone looks at the spare parts they could use to build their god... those would be close enough to be mistaken for each other, I think.
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No. 124435 ID: 9125e0
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124435

So a friend came by and surprised me with this


I didn’t even know he know what asteroidquest was

Only complaint is he missed a stripe he said he’ll fix it Though.
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No. 125107 ID: 9125e0
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125107

I know it’s probably pretty bad but I was trying to learn how to make clouds and it turned into me drawing Quokko....

I bet Likol and you are up there counting the stars...
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No. 125157 ID: bfb318

>>125107
Very cute Quokko, also (belatedly) a surprising medium for Three Stripes. Thank you for posting these.
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No. 125263 ID: 864e49

Hey Lago updates!

I was just thinking to myself yesterday that its been awhile since and Lago activity and was think that he was probably taking a sweet vaca.
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No. 125264 ID: 91ee5f

>>125263
No, he’s been sick and was recovering from an illness.

But it is good to know that he’s feeling better now!
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No. 125267 ID: eeb7d9

Glad to see him up and about.
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No. 125269 ID: 465a14

>>125264
No, Lago actually was on vacation in Vegas. He recovered a fair bit ago.
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No. 126071 ID: afdebc

>>/quest/907187
>"What happens if you cut a neumono in half?"
>>/quest/907190
>That was already answered in ITQ. One of the earliest questions in fact.
Specifically, that was answered here. >>51355

>>/quest/907213
>If they had the means, material and even the materiel to clone anyone, of any species and make an army, they would have had much better security forces other than a gaggle of crazy rokoa brain dart victims
In general, cloning tech does exist in the asteoidverse. Here's Polo talking about clone rights, and even clones used as soldiers. >>68968

Now, cloning neumono reliably and/or repeatedly the way Vanski and/or the science hive is doing is something of a recent breakthrough (although one could quibble that dart clones are cheating since you're copying over / altering an existing person instead of growing a new one entirely from scratch).

You're right that Vanski is making sub-optimal use of his resources in ways that don't make sense using experimental neumono clones for defense, but that kind of behavior is consistent with what we've grown to expect from him. (One could argue Vanski couldn't access conventional soldier-cloning tech for other species, but given the reach we've seen OPA display I don't believe that for a second).
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No. 126072 ID: 10c408

>>126071
My argument was more about the logistical problems involved in cloning, rather than the availability of the involved tech.

He is being hunted by the entire world, after all. A fact that he likely wasn't prepared for and is now scrambling to manage before his house of cards collapses on him.
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No. 126073 ID: 10c408

>>126071
My argument was more about the logistical problems involved in cloning, rather than the availability of the involved tech.

He is being hunted by the entire world, after all. A fact that he likely wasn't prepared for and is now scrambling to manage before his house of cards collapses on him.
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No. 126076 ID: 977456

Interesting. So you can regrow small parts quickly. So you just need to keep removing small pieces, keep them alive using standard brain-in-a-jar technology, then stick all your small pieces together once you have enough volume to start regeneration. And you can even speed up and improve the process by continuing to add more bits from the donor. So long as the donor is never missing more than, say, half-a-kilo at any given moment, you should have your clone up-and-running in a few months. Once you have multiple near-identical donors, the process can accelerate, and the donors can continue to be active provided that they have sufficient medical attention.
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No. 126077 ID: b1b4f3

>>126076
The brains from the various pieces would be desynched and probably fight one another.
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No. 126078 ID: 10c408

>>126076
As was pointed out, the brain matter migrates away from damaged areas and you have no way of determining what's even 'in' the removed section, let alone the neumono who has been donating.
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No. 126080 ID: 094652

So the neumono body adapts to repeated amputations in the same part by taking the neural instructions to regrow that specific part, along with most of the brain for that matter, and shoves it somewhere else. Similar to how scar tissue is a crude but adaptive reaction to severe damage, only this is an evolution for regeneration and not defense.

Makes sense. I think I have an idea.

What if we ARTIFICIALLY SIMULATED repeated amputations to various areas, without physically amputating anything, and condensed the brain into a smaller area - like an actual brain? How hard would it be to convince a neumono's body into thinking their limb was amputated, by simulating the environmental factors involved like adrenaline input and partial sensory deprivation? The body is tricked into thinking a part has been decapitated, then re-attached a similar part with near-perfect synchronicity. Since it's the same limb and same nerve pathways, the sync rate should be preeetty high. But in theory, the body reacts. Less neural activity in those specific portions, more in others. By the end, you have a functioning brain of sorts in a compartmentalized area. Still dangerous, but an interesting field of study for Vanski.
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No. 126082 ID: d5442a

>>126080
The neumono's body may reduce the amount of brain power in a limb from amputation, but I doubt it would entirely remove it. Neumono aren't amoebas, they have skeletons and muscles and those take up the space they need to take up, so brain matter probably isn't evenly distributed so much as it collects in a few particular nodes, like a set of mini-brains. Those mini brains may be more or less developed compared to each other, but they probably don't disappear.

Simulating amputation is also probably more than just a matter of nerve and hormone stimulation. A neumono's body probably has some (usually subconscious) awareness of its own empathy and would read the absence of its limbs in that way.
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No. 126085 ID: 977456

>126080
Fascinating proposal! I wonder if a compression of the mental tissues would increase processing speed. By concentrating the mental tissues in an easily-protected and low-exposure location, say, the base of the torso, one could retain most of the Neumono's advantages while overcoming their slow reaction-times. Additionally, by minimising the mental tissue in the less protected regions, their recovery times from and resistance to typical combat injuries(such as dismemberment and high-calibre rounds through the centre-mass) could be almost trivialised, while shooting from hard-cover would have minimal long-term risk.

Perhaps electrical pulses could be used to disrupt the function in the desired areas. This could even result in a net increase in mental capacity should the suppressed tissue return to full function. On the other hand, if it resulted in a disconnect with the effected regions and, for want of a better term, a civil-war, or cancer, then it could potentially be weaponised directly. Being consumed by, or consuming, a past version of themselves would be disruptive to morale and incapacitating. That said, an effective delivery system that wouldn't be better used on sedatives or explosives would be difficult to produce.
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No. 126092 ID: 40ae85

>>126085
>an easily-protected and low-exposure location, say, the base of the torso

That... doesn't seem like it'd be a good place for a brain. For a lot of reasons. I don't think it's easily-protected or low exposure, and has a bunch of other disadvantages.
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No. 126095 ID: 10c408

>>126082
Neumono brain matter isn't distributed into sets of 'mini-brains', it is it's own additional layer that covers most if not all of the body.
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No. 126096 ID: 40ae85

>>126095
I wouldn't think so, that seems really sub-optimal. You could get the same redundancy with nodes, without getting in the way of your skin, muscles and bones, and probably take advantage of the bones to provide some protection instead of having literally all damage be brain damage. Basically a nervous system with some of the key junctions pumped up. Neumono must have at least some concentrated brain matter, since their skulls are pretty big can't be full of only sense organs. So if they have some brain concentration there, why not some near other key areas like the forearms, near the stomach, base of the spine, et cetera?
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No. 126097 ID: 10c408

>>126096
Okay, I went and looked it up on the wiki. I got some of it wrong, but they still don't have nodes or mini-brains.

And yes, this distributed placement is a bit inefficient for reaction times and learning but the sheer amount of punishment they can endure AND recover from given time and food is a helluva trade off.
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No. 126100 ID: 977456

>>126092
The torso-base doesn't require much mobility and is central and low for balance, so can have more armouring than any other part of the body. It is less used and exposed than limbs, so no need to throw it in people's faces where it could get bitten. It's much lower than most senses and armaments, thus the surrounding terrain is far more likely to protect it from direct attacks and shrapnel. It really seems like the best place for a critical location in a super-soldier, which seems like the appropriate MAD SCIENCE goal.
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No. 126101 ID: 40ae85

>>126100
The torso base is already full with your reproductive and digestive systems, the latter of which is subject to a lot of variation in weight (that's why the hips are basically shaped like a bowl, to be able to carry them). The stomach is the one area with vital organs that DOESN'T have any sort of bone protection like the skull or rib cage provides higher up, and the reason it doesn't have it is because the lower torso is a major area of articulation, being subject to all sorts of twisting, bending, curling, stretching and flexing. The torso is also the area where most people with guns are going to be trained to shoot, especially in neumono, for whom being shot in the gut is the canonical best way to quickly disable them so that's where everybody aims.

Any roughly humanoid biped with its brain in its lower torso will have a brain with:
- no in-built protection from bones except from the hips, which will only protect from a very low angle and then only in a limited way
- a lot of varying pressures placed on it by the creature's movements if it is called upon to do basically anything athletic
- even more pressure put on it by the weight of the creature's food (remember that neumono eat more than most other species)
- about as much distance from most of its major sense organs (sight, hearing, smell, taste) as can be imagined, slowing its reactions greatly and making it much more likely that it gets cut off from those senses by any bodily harm severing nerve pathways
- a high chance of serious medical danger whenever it wants to try make babies

Also you can't actually armor it heavily because the lower torso is where your legs attach and if you want to be able to run fast you are very restricted in how thick/free of gaps you can make armor in that area.
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No. 126225 ID: 6266fc

Thrice dammed by all the god's! I was just beginning to really like Miss (the pomi), and then that thread ends!
Okay, I have a mission for you, (yes you,the one reading this), should you choose to accept it.
You must make the arduous journey to fanfiction.net once there you must write a Hok+Miss romance fanfic. I don't even care if it's cheesy or poorly written or barely legible.
I would do it myself, but then I wouldn't be able to enjoy reading it now would I?
Should you complete this task for me, not only will you have my sincere gratitude, but I will also officially owe you one Major solid. That's major with a capital M, and not something I take lightly.
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No. 126269 ID: 300f7e

I've always found the concept of Jammer Cities weird, Empathy is a major neumono sense and plays an important role in communication. It would be like if a human city forced everyone to wear masks.
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No. 126484 ID: 8f8fac

Panica from Luvi's story in The Rogue: There is no tactful way to ask this. Why is your pregnancy so weird. Why. Why so big. Why is your freakish alien pregnancy weird. Why. Why. Explain. Why.
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No. 126485 ID: e1d580

>>126484
Wrong thread, this is the OOC discussion thread. You want Behind the Ears.
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No. 126486 ID: 91ee5f

>>126484
Wrong thread.

Try asking again over in the BTE thread here: https://tgchan.org/kusaba/questdis/res/96269.html .
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No. 126561 ID: 36a114
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126561

Hey look, I found a picture of Polo's father.
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No. 126650 ID: bdb209

>>126561
and who's the mom? doomguy's rabbit?
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No. 126735 ID: 83c3f5

>>126650

Big boss is the mom.
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No. 127271 ID: 58c855

Considering that the Sapphire Emperor is a dude, and Penn is his "Biological Reincarnation" (which i'm gonna assume means she's genetically identical), it begs the question: is Penn trans?
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No. 127272 ID: 465a14

>>127271
they are not even the same species, one is a robot slime and the other is flesh and blood
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No. 127273 ID: daffb0

>>127271
It's not actually known for sure whether Sapphire was a dude. The belenosian simulation used in UnSe is basically Arza's historical fiction. Various questions and answers about how accurate accounts/simulations of belenosian history are in UnSe and BTE have indicated that there's very little trustworthy information, and more specifically, in the case of the emperors and other ancient high nobles, the ideal was to transcend nature entirely and become some sort of asexual machine person. Because of that they were all modified heavily, or uploaded their brains to different bodies, and there's no real information about what gender they might have started as. Plus stuff like, the word "emperor" was probably an english translation of a non-gendered word in the original language, that sort of thing. I think Penn's grandmother also suggested in BTE that she isn't necessarily totally identical, possibly just partly so. It's not even known how accurate the term "biological reincarnation" is to begin with.

As for the question, I don't think there's any direct evidence against it in any canon material, but it seems unlikely. With the situation she was already in, it would have been a messy enough thing to have been hinted at in her flashbacks. She also seems barely cognizant of gender at all in her internal monologue unless something directly confronts her with it, so that would suggest it's not an important topic to her, which it probably would be if she'd been through gender identity stuff herself.

As an aside, though, it strikes me that medical tech for belenosians is probably advanced enough to make full biologically perfect transitions. On the other hand, they're not long off a culture that has strong taboos against any modification to one's "natural born" form.
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No. 127274 ID: 91ee5f

>>127271
>Penn is his "Biological Reincarnation" (which i'm gonna assume means she's genetically identical)
So it’s basically the plot of Jupiter Ascending, right?
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No. 127278 ID: daffb0

>>127274
I don't think the protagonist being a secret space princess is a concept that movie invented, and Penn does it better.

Also, not enough hot dudes.
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No. 127279 ID: daffb0

Thought: A few decades later, if it got out, Penn's story could TOTALLY be retold as a "based on a true story" action romance drama movie with hot dudes and love triangles.
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No. 127281 ID: afdebc

>>127271
If you were a different gender in a past life, that wouldn't necessarily make your current self trans. If you're going to accept the idea of reincarnation, a lot about a person can change from incarnation to incarnation.
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No. 127282 ID: 58c855

>>127281
while we don't have an actual definition of what biological reincarnation means in the context of Penn, i think it's safe to say that it does not mean the same thing as the human definition of reincarnation
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No. 127285 ID: 58c855
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127285

on an unrelated note:
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No. 127287 ID: afdebc

>>127282
You're comfortable making the (unfounded) assumption that "biological reincarnation" literally means "genetically identical", but you're going to balk at my using the definition of the word reincarnation in a highly general sense?
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No. 127290 ID: 58c855

>>127287
it seems more in line with the Belenosian's whole deal, that's all
also i just think itd be neat if Penn was trans
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No. 127291 ID: daffb0

>>127290
I dunno. A big part of Penn's character is her fixation on her goal of having a normal life, even to the point of unhealthy behavior - she was literally repressing her own memories of who/what she is until forced to do otherwise, and there are a lot of clues that she's been avoiding any hobbies, pastimes or socializing that could draw attention to her. The only thing she's allowed herself to excel at is her studies, which for her species is still normal enough to pass, and which actually has some possible undertones of addictive behavior for them. She's not really 100% mentally well, is what I'm getting at, and if she was revealed to be trans, that could have... less than excellent implications.

You could certainly see some metaphorical link there, if you try. What with her trying to assert her own identity and have a normal life under that identity, in defiance of a previous identity that most people who know about it think of her in terms of despite her wishes. That might have the same implication problems, though. Plus it could apply more generally to themes of overcoming a family reputation or things like that, so it's hardly specific.
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No. 127292 ID: 58c855

>>127291
fair points, honestly. if Penn DOES get revealed as trans, i feel like a complete anticlimax in the reveal where it just gets mentioned offhand would be the best way to go about it.
after all, trans people don't really need external motivation to be trans. wanting to distance herself from the Sapphire Emperor or wanting to spite the Silhouette Empire would be secondary to just straight up wanting to be a girl

worth noting is that transition would be _really_ easy for belenosians. drugs work extraordinarily well on them, as evinced by the exaggerated effects of steroids, so HRT would likely take effect over the course of weeks as opposed to the months or years it takes with humans
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No. 127293 ID: b1b4f3

Penn being trans because she carries Sapphire's genetic data doesn't make sense unless Sapphire was also trans.
Like, if the genes were male then Penn would also be male! Gender dysphoria doesn't happen because you've got chromosome issues, it's more complicated than that.

It'd also be very sad. We're talking about an illness that can cause serious depression and cultural/social rejection or isolation, on top of her existing problem.
Though now I'm wondering how Belenosian society handles transgender issues.
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No. 127294 ID: 91ee5f

>>127293
>Though now I'm wondering how Belenosian society handles transgender issues.
You could ask in the BTE thread to see if someone will answer.
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No. 127295 ID: daffb0

Previous BTE answers have suggested that belenosians all still carry a ton of genetic modifications, with a theme of making them "better" but also more generic. They tend to not be very thin or very overweight, to being vaguely attractive but not remarkably, et cetera, and there's some very strong hints that a lot of the modifications done to them are the kinds of things that would tend them towards being good, productive, obedient and especially non-disruptive citizens, by the standards of the ruthless superscience empire that did the modifications in the first place.

So, while they approved of things that made people better by their standards (cyborg upgrades, uploading yourself to a superior robot body, etc.), and probably encouraged changes that would emphasize the unimportance of sex or gender (such as becoming an asexual robot or freely fluid jetal), simply changing from male to female or vice versa on a permanent basis actually implies significant personal and societal importance to one's sex/gender and therefore is probably something the imperials wouldn't have approved of so much, and therefore would have taken some action to discourage. Their ideals, from what we know, were departure from nature rather than embracing different nature, if you get me.

Point being, the biological factors of being transgender (though there are other factors, of course) are probably rarer in belenosians than they are in more natural species.

Culturally, well, belenosian post-ruin tribal culture both lacked any decent medicine and apparently placed high importance on being able to have lots of children, which is the sort of thing that tends a culture towards not having a high tolerance of transgender identities. So, imperial culture wouldn't have much tolerance for mtf or ftm, and tribal culture not at all, and those are the twin stars of belenosian culture overall so it's not a good outlook. Moderates between those two might be better about it, though, and we can hope that AQverse human culture is good about that sort of thing now, and it's a big influence so that might help too.

Overall, though, there are probably less transgender people among belenosians than any other species. Which is ironic, since yes, their medicine is the most advanced and their bodies the most receptive to modification. Not only with hormone treatments but things like nanobot skeletal reshaping, and cloning hormone-treated organs for transplant, and so on.
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No. 127296 ID: 58c855

>>127293
you're on some weird shit if you think being transgender is some sort of illness or horrible curse
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No. 127297 ID: b1b4f3

>>127296
It is by definition an illness. Transgender people have Gender Dysphoria.
Also it makes people miserable? Like, by definition it causes distress and likely depression, because you feel like you're in the wrong body and you can't fit in with society's gender norms.

I understand there's some weird subculture that glorifies it and makes it out to be some kind of mental state that frees you from the need to adhere to those gender norms but that's just not reality. People crave acceptance, and counterculture can only go so far; rebellion is just one way to cope.

If you're simply bothered by the stigma of calling it an illness or disorder... would you say the same thing about depression? Or social anxiety? What about bipolar disorder, or schizophrenia?
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No. 127298 ID: daffb0

>>127296
>>127297
This angle of discussion is probably not going to go anywhere good for anyone, and it's not the place for it anyway, so how about we stop?
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No. 127299 ID: b1b4f3

>>127298
Eh, it just annoys me when people say being trans is somehow a good thing. I was close friends with a transgender person and it sure didn't help them in any way.
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No. 127302 ID: 58c855

>>127297
this is the last thing i'll say on whatever nonsense you're trying to convey: the reason being trans has a tendency to be a package deal with depression and other such bullshit isn't because it's inherent to being trans, its because it's inherent to being treated like shit for a long span of time over something you have no control over.

being treated like shit in ways such as: having a core aspect of one's identity being treated as an illness, people acting as though your very existence is disgusting, etc. etc. various other things you were probably aware of peripherally but chose to ignore in favor of being preachy and acting like you know what's best for someone when you evidently cannot even imagine taking a _step_ in their metaphorical shoes.

Experiences are not universal; many of the trans people i know enjoy their lives perfectly well, and i can assure you that its not in spite of being trans. If being trans _was_ suffering, it'd be because of people like you spouting view like yours to trans people who haven't gotten the chance to inoculate themselves against your specific strain of bullshit and them falling into a self hatred spiral because they actually _believe_ that sort of drivel. While I doubt anything I've said here will get you to be any less presumptuous and holier-than-thou, i still hope what I've said gets _someone_ to be less weird about trans people.

Argument done, discussion over, it's now time to talk about everyone's fear-boner over Rokoa.
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No. 127305 ID: b1b4f3

>>127302
Holy shit dude.
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No. 127306 ID: d2de35

Enough.

No one is getting anywhere with this argument and this is not the place to have this discussion. Any snippy asides on any side are going to lead to bans being handed out. This got too far out of hand and I'm ashamed I didn't intervene earlier. Move along.
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No. 127432 ID: 32afab

Just a reminder that it was a year ago today that we lost Likol.
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No. 127445 ID: 10c408

>>127432
Why must you do this to my heart.
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No. 127446 ID: 32afab

>>127445
I've thought about him every goddamned day since, so I couldn't just let the 29th pass without any sort of mention.
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No. 127448 ID: 864e49
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>>127446
He will be forever remembered.
His sacrifices will not be in vain.
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No. 127490 ID: b970b2

>>127446
Likol did what had to be done. We just need to make sure Vanski gets his dues for the evil he has caused. A reckoning cannot be postponed indefinitely.
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No. 127498 ID: 58c855

Likol was braver than any US marine
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No. 127507 ID: 470289

Hi!

Moving into the second thread of The Rogue after this (hopefully shortish) prologue section, I wanted to get a better idea of what readers felt about the story. I have an unfortunate tendency to waffle on a lot of stuff, so having some hard data to make future decisions off of would ideally help me make the story better for both you and me. Or maybe it won't and this is just a dumb way for me try and understand something that's not really understandable. Either way, hopefully we'll learn something.

If you're a Rogue reader I would appreciate you filling out the following survey or if you have feedback I didn't make a question for just ask it in the thread.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/VVV3VQK

Thanks!
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No. 127548 ID: 9125e0

*Pouring out liquor for Likol*
He will forever be remembered, and so will those who were lost to help him complete his goal.
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No. 127657 ID: 470289

Hi again!

It's been about a week and I've gotten some good feedback from the survey. Thanks to everyone who participated.

The survey will stay open for stragglers but I have reviewed all the feedback already sent and will be taking it all into consideration going forward. I can't promise I'll please everyone, but I do promise to do my best to make an entertaining story and deliver entertaining content you haven't seen before.

Once again, thanks to all readers of The Rogue and I hope you keep enjoying it!
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