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71156 No. 71156 ID: 5a5dd4

Comments, criticisms, questions and discussion of the quest with the monopoly on limping bat-girls, FLYING FUCKs, and four-armed librarians.

And I might post some concept stuff in here at some point, if I feel like it.
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No. 71157 ID: bf54a8

the librarians are interesting and creepy as fuck. which i think you were going for, so good job.
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No. 71158 ID: 19b3c3

This quest is hella fun.

I love that our seemly impractical choice of the armless academic lost in the snow has worked out so well. We reached the castle probably faster than anyone else would have, and heading strait to the library turned the fuck attacking us from a liability into an asset. Bookwormbat for the win!

The other races looked pretty cool, too, actually. I hope we find some other survivors at some point.

...I really want to see a harpy in glasses, though. :V
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No. 71160 ID: f9ab82

Having played Dwarf Fortress, the idea of cat-dwarfs is both hilarious and slightly terrifying.
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No. 71164 ID: f2c20c

>>71156
Considering the Outside was so close to catching up, I wonder what would've happened had we entered the cave tunnel? Or what the journey to the land of the gods would've been like if we chose a different race?
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No. 71169 ID: 3e4b6e
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>>71160
Fluffy dwarves are best dwarves.
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No. 71170 ID: e1c569

>>71156
i'm still pleased with myself for naming the FLYING FUCK.

i love the quest so far, it's interesting. not just because it's off-beat and strange, though those are good things.

please don't drop it like the rest
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No. 71197 ID: 5a5dd4
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71197

So, three things.

First, thanks for the compliments. It's good to know I'm doing something right.

Second, with the power of author knowledge, I can say with a fair amount of certainty that the combination of glasses and harpy will probably not appear in the quest proper, so I drew a couple of ways glasses could work. Don't think about it too hard. I sure didn't.

Third, The list that I rolled on for the landing in the library. I figure you guys might want to know how else that could have turned out.

10 FF tries to follow you inside. A librarian helps out.
9 You almost land on a librarian. The librarian is helpful.
8 You land cleanly.
7 You land on a couch.
6 You almost land on a librarian. It gives no fucks.
5 You land in [redacted's] office. [redacted] is not amused.
4 You land poorly. concussion.
3 You land on a librarian. it is pissed.
2 You hit a wall. something breaks.
1 FF gets a taste of you.

And you may want to consider the fact that FF catching you is at the bottom of the list despite the presence of 'pissing off the librarians', 'concussion', and 'breaking bones'. Or maybe everything will be fine forever, who knows.

That's half the fun of these things. Even I'm never %100 sure how something is going to turn out until I'm actually drawing it.
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No. 71198 ID: 70ab66

somehow pissing off a librarian scares me a lot more than breaking an ankle.
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No. 71199 ID: bf54a8

>>71198
i think he means that something... interesting will happen because of this.
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No. 71203 ID: 19b3c3

>Asks to see a Harpy in glasses
>gets a rolling gif
Dude, you awesome. =D

Not surprised at the hint that getting bit by the fuck may have later consequences. My working theory had been the FF was kind of our mirror opposite- something that formed in response to our passage through the outside. Like, we left the imprint of a flying creature in the stuff of the outside, which took shape and came after us to fill itself (kind of an Earthsea sort of thing). Just because the outside is everything that creation isn't doesn't mean it has to stay that way- it may be the same stuff creation was shaped from in the first place (like the world is made of ice, and the gods let us fall back into the water. The world may be melting, but in the right circumstances, bits of the water will cool or freeze). So if that was what it got from the passage of our shape, it would be very interesting to see what crystallizes around our blood.

And if it's listed below pissing off a librarian, than said librarian must have been relatively easier to escape from (or calm down), or the penalty for annoying a librarian or flying indoors isn't being flayed alive for leather. (I mean, c'mon, it's not as if we damaged a book or anything).

...although overall I agree with >>71198. The librarians are scary. And even if we got away after pissing them off, it would really suck to not have access to the resources of the library after that.
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No. 71209 ID: 9ddf68

so what you're saying is we should keep checking out our leg from time to time to make sure it stays a leg.
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No. 72274 ID: f29aa1

I am so terribly confused as to how one would draw a physically-manly+culturally-effeminate flufflord, or do I have it all wrong?
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No. 72285 ID: 5a5dd4

I guess I'll just do this here and not make a mess of the quest thread. That's what this is for, right?

>>517034
>She must be based off of that earlier suggestion:
Yep.

I wanted to make two characters off of the one vote, but then pretty much everyone voted male dorf. Each of the other races only got one vote, and kobold happened to get the only female vote, so I went with that.

Also, the one dude seemed super hype about busty neon kobolds, so why not.

Speaking of which, the reason you guys got ladybold first despite landslide-voting for effeminate dwarves was plot convenience. Deal with it. By which I mean; I hope nobody was like, legitimately unhappy or angry to have to deal with a different character for a while, having voted for something else.


>>71209
Well, I suppose it couldn't hurt, right?


>>72274
Personally, I was confused as to how anyone could look at the dwarf heads from race selection and think 'yeah, that needs more fluff'.

As for how he looks, you'll just have to wait and see. He's fun to draw, though. A bit like a wookie, but girlier. And fluffier. Let's just say that when secondary sexual characteristics fail to define a character properly, you go for tertiary characteristics.

Speaking of which, I'll have to write something here about how genders work for the various races and how the races perceive each other once the flufflord is introduced. I have enough thought out that I don't think I'll be able to fit it into the quest without it just seeming out of place and random, but I think it'll be relevant enough to be worth posting.

It's not like, super complicated or anything, I promise.
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No. 72286 ID: 5a5dd4

Whoops, can't to the linky thing to posts in the quest thread.

The first thing is referring to the current playable character and a vote for a female bold with "Huge ti- wait no. Longer ears than normal."
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No. 72287 ID: f2c20c

>>72285
Actually I was just having trouble thinking of a distinctive physical trait, and the boob thing was a joke I thought of before settling on the ears. But hey, not complaining.
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No. 72298 ID: 19b3c3

>can't to the linky thing to posts in the quest thread.
You can, just when you're going cross-board you need to specify the board. So

>>/quest/517034

Is what you want.
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No. 72398 ID: 2ddb7b

>>/quest/517568

what the fuck is a fractal fuck?
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No. 72402 ID: 19b3c3

>>72398
The fuck that would correspond to a kobold. Because fractal eyes.

Look, I was running out of f-words, okay?
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No. 72404 ID: d59dc9

>>72402

I would've gone with feeble fuck myself.
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No. 72440 ID: bc3b41

Hey, just popped in to mention: I like how your races are significantly different; like, not just human-with-variation. I never really noticed before how most fantasy races ARE basically humans made shorter and given knobbly skin or something. It's kinda cool how a lot of your races are more like, descended from a common ancestor about 1,000,000 years or so ago.
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No. 72478 ID: 9ddf68

I have a question about Torren
we made him a fluffy(er) dwarf that looks like a chick but just how feminine is he? I mean does he just look a little girly or does he sound a little like one as well?

I ask because whenever I picture him talking in the quest I'm never sure if I should give him a more mescaline voice or a girly one.
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No. 72514 ID: 382278

>>72478

I would imagine an ambiguous voice myself, when it's not distorted by a bloody nose.
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No. 72521 ID: bf54a8

will say here as well, while white was buildings on the map, where the stream went under one it appeared like some sort of bridge. since upstream is another white and stream intersection that the blue path went over.
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No. 72522 ID: 5a5dd4
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72522

Pictured: The original design sketches for Dwarves. The only thing that's really changed since then is that they now have massive hands and I've gotten a bit better at drawing.


>>72298
Thanks. Let's see if I can do this right.


>>/quest/518222
>Say, Torren, do you know the facts RE: poisonousness of kobold bodily fluids?

>>/quest/518232
>Yeah you think your nosebleed is bad. When she gets one it leaves smoking holes in the ground instead of blood.

I want to assume you're joking here, but you can never be too sure on the internet, so firstly, poison != acid. No holes burned in floors today.

But yeah, the only thing that will kill you dead is kobold blood. Other fluids aren't exactly healthy, but they probably won't kill you.

You know, in case you were planning on drinking kobold tears or something. Because that is clearly the only reason anyone on tgchan would want to know about a fictional race's bodily fluids.

Get your mind out of the gutter.

That said, 'protection' spells exist for more than one reason.


>>72440
Thanks!

My process for designing the races started by thinking about what a race that is extremely specialized for a specific environment would look like, and how their adaptations would serve them in that environment.

So like, Dwarves are super cave-adapted. Their eyesight is shit because of the complete lack of sunlight in the depths, but their senses of hearing, smell, and touch are heightened compared to the other races because they are more useful in the caves.

Harpies are totally adapted for flight, and their design reflects that. The wings are obvious, and the dexterous feet and prehensile tongues are a direct result of the lack of normal hands. Sapient races gotta use tools somehow. The multitude of eyes is for the same reason that hawks and owls have great eyesight; when you're flying, this stuff that you're looking for is often very far away. Also, with more than two eyes, losing an eye or two to an injury is far less crippling, as you'll still have trinocular or binocular vision and be able to perceive depth.


From there I tried to consider how these races would interact, and how they would adapt from tribal life to more civilized life. Like, what traits from that very specialized life would benefit them in a more modern and multi-racial civilization, and which traits would be detrimental.

For example, harpies are slowly losing their capability for skilled flight because with agriculture, large cities, and modern magic, they rarely need to fly. They've also become somewhat thicker and heavier (and curvier, for the ladies) as their concepts of beauty have fallen more in line with the other races.

Dwarves are slowly getting better eyesight while their other senses begin to decline, because sight is far more useful on the surface than it is in the caves, and dwarves are relying on it more than they used to.


Random note about that, dwarves do have eyes and are not totally blind. They have a Tuatara parietal eye thing going on, where skin and fur has grown over their eyes. That said, even the dwarves with the best eyesight can probably see about as well as someone who is legally blind. They pretty much just see burry blotches of light and dark and colour, so they can roughly tell what time of day by how bright it is outside, and they can determine what color something is if they hold it close enough to their face.


Kobolds sort of won the evolutionary lottery by being poisonous. So, instead of becoming stronger or faster or sneakier to deal with predators, they became more colourful and noticeable. Kobolds that looked poisonous survived better than the ones that didn't because predators purposefully avoided attacking them. Likewise, Kobolds have large eyes and a small stature to appear less threatening and more childlike. Pretty much everything about Kobolds is supposed to be like "please don't kill me, I am adorable and poisonous".


I guess what I'm saying is that making the races feel like they were different on a very fundamental level was something I intended to do.


>>72478
Short answer: Torren has a sort of ambiguous, husky voice.

Long answer:
On account of the thick fur and the garbage eyesight, there isn't a great deal that visually defines the Dwarven genders. Dwarven ladies are generally the most endowed of the races of man, but that's useless as an identifier the moment they're wearing armour or anything particularly heavy, which is a common occurrence among Dwarves. Outside of the aforementioned female assets, there isn't much difference between lady and dude dwarves in terms of either physique or height. Dwarves also don't associate particular fur/hair styles as being masculine or feminine, so that's also out.

On account of the similar physical capabilities of the genders, there aren't really distinct gender roles relating to occupations. Ladies are just as good at soldiering and guarding as dudes, so most things tend to have a pretty even 50/50 split.

Dwarves also don't have a particularly wide range in terms of voice pitch. They all have sort of ambiguous, husky voices, with dudes generally sounding very slightly deeper.

If you grabbed a random group of Dwarven guards and tried to identify them based on their appearance and voice alone, you might as well be flipping a coin for each dwarf.

This isn't a problem for dwarves, as they can identify gender by scent. Technically, Elves are capable of doing the same, but it's something they have to learn as opposed to it being instinctual for Dwarves.

So, Torren is very rarely mistaken for a chick by other dwarves, but with the fluffy hair, ribbon, concealing armour, and ambiguous voice, he has frequently been mistaken by non-dwarves.

Dwarves tend to find these mistakes hilarious, seeing them more as the other races' inability to correctly determine gender than an individual Dwarf's inability to properly differentiate themselves. On a related note, a common Dwarven prank is to style their fur and hair totally differently for a day to see how many people can still correctly identify them either as the same dwarf or even as the correct gender.


>>/quest/518329
Is the map in the quest thread really that hard to make out? The distinction between the white ruins/trees and the light grey snowy ground looks fine to me, but I guess it might be a monitor thing.

If it’s a problem, let me know and I’ll post a higher contrast version and keep it in mind for future updates.


>>/quest/518333
Oh.

Yeah, I guess that makes sense. Sorry about that.

I probably should have done something different with the bridge to differentiate it from the rest of the ruins.
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No. 72525 ID: bf54a8

a common fantasy thing is dorfs are resistant to poison. two livers an such.
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No. 72526 ID: 99ee53

>>72522

I wish Asians reacted that humorously to me not being able to tell them apart.

and yeah, the map is a bit blinding if you're staring at a shitty LCD screen.
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No. 72582 ID: 2f4b71

>>72526
>shitty LCD screen
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/

Won't do magic with a cheap TN panel, but at least you won't be stuck with the horrific factory defaults.
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No. 72646 ID: ee8b47

>>72522
>Because that is clearly the only reason anyone on tgchan would want to know about a fictional race's bodily fluids.

Slander, vile slander! But, on a similarly strictly academic, practical subject, can the races interbreed with each other at all? Kobolds and dwarves seem like they have relatively recent common ancestry. It looks like we could be dealing with an attempt to maintain a smallish population for a long time! 500 genetically distinct individuals is the minimum for indefinite viability in our world, and that doesn't seem like it would be too far off what the place could sustain. If the races can't produce offspring (or only produce mule hybrids), then we might end up in a situation where only one race gets to survive. Though maybe magic can help?
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No. 72717 ID: 5a5dd4
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>>/quest/518959
Thanks, I will.

>>/quest/518940
Yes, this is lazy.

There are so many things I could point out, but I fear that if I start pointing them all out it'll ruin the illusion of competence I've created, so I'll try to preserve some of the magic by only revealing the most egregious violation.

I have only drawn falling snow once, for the very first panel of chapter one.

The attached image is that snow on a black background.

Every other time there has been falling snow, including animations and the like, it has been this same bit of snow rescaled, tiled, rotated, layered, and mirrored until it looked alright. Recently, it's also seen a bit of gaussian blur.

And going to make the attached image, I realize that even the initial snowfield is in fact half a snowfield rotated and tiled. I am so lazy I haven't even drawn one complete snowfield for a quest that features snow in about a quarter of its updates.

I am the laziest of lazy.

And I fully intend to continue abusing the same bit of snow for future snowy updates.

>>72525
Uh.

That sure is a statement that could use some more context.

But now that it's been mentioned, Dwarves are second only to Kobolds in terms of poison resistance, though it's more to do with their size and mass compared to the other races than them actually having some special poison resistance thing.

Elves and Mer are tied for third at human-levels of tolerance and immunity, and Harpies are pretty much the biggest lightweights ever.

>>72646
Hmmn.

Let's say that each possible racial pairing has produced viable offspring at some point in the history of the world. It is incredibly unlikely, though. Like, it is generally believed that racial interbreeding cannot produce children, and that the few exceptions were either magically manipulated, infidelity and blatant lies, or literal miracles.

The Gods did things like that sometimes, just to remind everyone that they were Gods.

The resulting children always share their mother's race, though they can inherit some features (like eye or hair colour) from their father.


On a related note, it is entirely common for someone to find members of other races physically attractive, though they still tend to favour traits that are present in their own race. Like, Dwarves generally find fur or long hair to be attractive, Harpy dudes tend to like their women flat-chested, and Kobold ladies prefer cute or bishoshen (ugh, anime terminology) dudes to stereotypically burly manly men.

Despite that, the vast majority of people will stick to their own race when looking for a proper long-term mate. Basically, same-race couples are more likely to have similar interests and lifestyles, and that generally results in longer-lasting relationships.

And of course, same-race couples can have kids without it being a statistical improbability.


And yes, all of this means that the oldest profession works a little differently here than it does elsewhere. Off-race discounts, ahoy! Mer Mondays, yes please! Or rather, worked differently. Past tense. The Outside consumed it along with the rest of society.


And no, you will not manually repopulate the Lands of the Gods, for reasons that will become obvious when they become obvious.


The next quest update will happen either when I am finally free from this headache, or when I get used to it enough to get shit done. So like, soon, hopefully.
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No. 72718 ID: 5a5dd4

Goddamnit, linky things don't play nice with spoilers.

For reference:

>>/quest/518959
>Don't worry about it. Take care of yourself!

>>/quest/518940
>this is you being lazy? wow. just... wow.
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No. 72720 ID: c23ab0
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>> And no, you will not manually repopulate the Lands of the Gods, for reasons that will become obvious when they become obvious.
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No. 72737 ID: b2f12a
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72737

>>72717

statistical improbabilities? keep us from trying anyway?
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No. 72756 ID: e3aff6

>Kobold ladies prefer cute or bishoshen (ugh, anime terminology) dudes to stereotypically burly manly men.
>effeminate fluffboy
I see~
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No. 72758 ID: f2c20c

>>72756
She doesn't have long hair though. I don't think he'd consider her attractive.
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No. 72759 ID: bf54a8

would call it at least medium. short is above shoulders.
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No. 72776 ID: 5a5dd4
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>>72720
You have seen through my clever ruse and revealed my quest for the shitty Homestuck fanfiction that it is.

No wait, that's stupid.

Nice gif, though. Thanks.

>>72737
Never said I'd stop you from trying, just that it wouldn't work. And trying's, like, 100% of the fun.

>>72756
It's hilarious how not on purpose that was. We'll have to see how it turns out when they aren't running for their lives.

>>72758
Well, she may not have the longest hair, but, well,
>>72522
>Dwarven ladies are generally the most endowed of the races of man, ...

Between the blow to the head and the nosebleed, he just hasn't noticed yet.


In other news:

Headache log day 5. Trying new painkillers. I do not expect them to work any better than the others. If I have this headache for more than another day I'm going to see a doctor about it.
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No. 72779 ID: f2c20c

>>72776
Ohhhh. So, my little joke along with the fluffy femboy craze has resulted in an accidental pairing! She might be more interested in the Elf if we make him male though, I bet. Don't get much girlier than an Elf.

Having an extended headache like that does seem worrisome. Sinus headaches are usually easily medicated aren't they?
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No. 72786 ID: 591152

>>72776
dude, 5 day headaches are NOT NORMAL BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION. even if you have a diagnosed migraine problem, unless 5 day migraines are a common ordeal you should see a doctor whether or not the new meds work.
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No. 72796 ID: f920f8

agreed. you probably have a tumor in your brain.

that's not funny, because it isn't supposed to be. drag your ass to a clinic. now.
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No. 72888 ID: 2f4b71

Seriously, head-related-bad-things that occur for more than two days straight are things you NEED to get examined by a doctor. Limbs and to some extent organs you can deal with failing, but if it's in proximity to your brain you don't get a second chance.
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No. 72907 ID: 5a5dd4
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72907

Awww, the internet cares.

I hit up a doctor today, and I am gloriously tumor-free. Apparently my headache is just a muscle tension headache (as in, the normal kind), but caused by tension in my neck caused by bad posture instead of stress or hunger or the stuff you usually get headaches from.

My computer posture is far worse than pictured; I'm tall enough that finding a decent desk chair is impossible, the desk I have my computer set up is this piece of garbage I've had since I was a kid, and I spend a ton of my time at the computer, so it's probably that.

I guess it could also be bad sleeping posture. I dunno.

Posture is hard, what the hell.

Anyways, I got some painkillers/muscle relaxants that I'm supposed to take before I go to bed, and with those and a heatpad thing on my neck I should be alright in the morning.

Woo.

And then I need to figure out how I'm going to fix my posture so I don't keep getting these headaches.

Double woo.

Anyways, I have stuff that needs to be done tomorrow, but if all goes well, I should have a nice big update for you guys on friday.

It'll be fun.
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No. 72909 ID: 19b3c3

If part of the problem is your desk chair, I recommend finding an office furniture reseller. There are places that go around and buy up the old stuff in bulk when companies upgrade, or move buildings, or go out of business. You can get stuff way nicer than the shit they sell in the big box stores without paying out the nose for it.
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No. 72910 ID: c23ab0

I went to a doctor for neck/upper back problems. He carefully walked me through some really great stretches and told me to keep at them regularly. Your doctor just threw pills at you? You might want a second opinion. Stretching is vital to get the muscles back into place and unclenched, and massage is vital to pump out all those nasty lactic acids and things that keep tissue damage from healing. No drug's going to make your tendon microtears less acidic. Well, technically bromelain can help, but it's a long term effect.
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No. 72914 ID: f2c20c

Bringing the monitor closer to you could help reduce the amount you lean in. So would bringing your chair closer.
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No. 72915 ID: bb6ae1

solution: do everything in your bed.
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No. 72921 ID: 01531c

I used to have horrifically bad posture, and the pains that came with it. I will share my solution with you:
>An Outdoor Metal Chair
Tall enough that when you sit your thighs rest level but your feet are flat on the ground.
>A Short-Long Desk
Long enough that if you moved your monitor+keyboard+mousepad to the back, your elbows would be resting on the desk while you used the mouse and keyboard.
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No. 72924 ID: c23ab0

Oh also if it helps, a good chair should work for anyone of any height. A chair that braces your upper back is unergonomic actually, so all you really need is lumbar support (something to brace your butt on). What will cause you to slouch is the monitor at a bad angle and/or height. So put the monitor up on cinder blocksbooks or something. That and move your keyboard away from the edge so your elbows aren't as splayed while typing. But a chair that isn't pushing on your back actually makes it harder to slouch.

I use mine mostly like a stool...
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No. 72934 ID: 2f4b71

If you can afford to splash out, an articulated monitor arm really helped me getting a comfortable desk setup. Mine's an Ergotron LX, but there are plenty to choose from.
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No. 72952 ID: 5a5dd4
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72952

So, three things.

A: Sorry for filling up this thread with my non-quest nonsense. I mean, I guess it is my thread, but this isn't what it's supposed to be for. Whatever.

B: Dusk of the seventh day: The headache never dies.

Even the prescribed painkillers are ineffectual. Part of me finds this hilarious, because the pain isn't even really that bad, just kind of an annoying dull pressure in my head, and somehow even the prescribed stuff ain't doing shit aside from making me a little drowsy and my mouth a bit dry.

Anyways, I have a better heat pack thingy for my neck today, so I'm gonna give the whole shebang another go tonight. If that doesn't work, I don't even know.

C: Thanks for all of the advice. I think a lot of my ergonomics problems (keyboard height, distance from monitor, monitor position in general) are due to my shitty desk more than anything else, so I'll look into getting that replaced.

>>72924
>Oh also if it helps, a good chair should work for anyone of any height.
Not if the seat doesn't adjust high enough for my feet to sit on the ground properly.

>>72910
This is the first time I've had problems with this sort of thing. My doc said he'd point me to massage therapy stuff if it ends up being a recurring issue. Which, fuck, considering what I said above, it may well be.
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No. 72955 ID: c23ab0

From what I learned there are 3 categories of pain killer out there. There's opium based ones, which work great never use them you will die. There's the ones derived from aspirin aka willow tree bark, called NSAIDs. And there's Paracetamol, also known as acetaminophen, the odd ball. Nobody really knows how acetaminophen kills pain.

Aspirin/Ibuprofen/Naproxen block the production of the hormone "prostoglandin". Prostoglandin causes swelling and inflammation so removing it reduces the swelling. Of course prostoglandin also stimulates the stomach to produce mucus, so if you take too many anti-inflammatories the mucus thinks and the acid in your stomach starts burning ulcers in the stomach walls. They're fine in moderation, but many doctors mistakenly raise their dosage to try to reduce swelling/pain even more, which can cause wicked bad tummy aches.

So the best advice I've found is to take a normal dose of like ibuprofen or aspirin something (doesn't matter which (unless you're a kid in which case aspirin can mysteriously start to melt all the organs in your body)). If the pain persists, take an acetaminophen. Combination of NSAIDs and acetaminophen has been comparable to the pain relief of opium derived drugs like codeine. And that's the best you can do on the short term. More will just give you stomach ulcers. On the longer term, bromelain seems to have an awesome effect on swelling and tendon damage, but the jury is still out on that stuff. It's a meat tenderizer... but I swear it won't melt anything besides frayed tendons!

And yeah, your chair is terrible. So is your desk. Thrift stores infrequently have some ugly but nice cheap furniture going through them. Oh and massage therapy is awesome!
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No. 72956 ID: c23ab0

>>72955

> thinks

THINS
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No. 72957 ID: 5a5dd4
File 137241086189.png - (65.58KB , 800x600 , Noooooooo.png )
72957

>>72955
> Combination of NSAIDs and acetaminophen has been comparable to the pain relief of opium derived drugs like codeine.
I think you may have missed what was written in my image. Or my handwriting is super terrible.

>>72952
>(from the image) Pills - Codeine, aspirin, caffeine, meprobamate.
As in, my prescribed pills contain all of the above. Hell, look ‘em up, I don’t care. They’re 282 MEP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codeine
>Codeine or 3-methylmorphine (a natural isomer of methylated morphine) is an opiate...

>>72955
>There's opium based ones, which work great never use them you will die.

D:


Seriously though, I tried a bunch of different over-the-counter stuff before I went to the doctor. I only went to the doc because over-the-counter stuff didn’t work.

Current state of affairs is that the codeine + aspirin + muscle relaxants (+ caffeine, because why not) is doing fuckall for the pain.

It is obnoxious as hell, and it’s begun to have effects on my sleep and general attitude. I don’t want to be petulant and bitchy, but shit happens after a week of headache with zero relief.
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No. 72958 ID: f2c20c

>>72957
Sounds like you got misdiagnosed. Get a second opinion.

Also holy crap is that a lot of medication for a simple headache.
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No. 72969 ID: c23ab0

Codeine is fucked up yeah. People get hooked on that stuff like seriously. I was exaggerating about the "you will die" part but be careful around those. People's lives have been ruined as a direct result from taking those things. They're sort of like shitty morphine that doesn't even feel good.

http://www.narconon.org/drug-abuse/codeine-signs-symptoms.html

And I was just ranting about pain pills in general since I use any excuse I can to talk about this shit I learned. Don't mind me.

Oh also caffeine can help with headaches, despite causing them. It constricts blood vessels in the head so, reduces swelling, bye bye headache. Long term use can lead to a backlash of weakened overstretched blood vessels, thus a "caffeine headache", but initially it constricts them.
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No. 73017 ID: b64ef2

if you live anywhere near Germany, just pop by my apartment and I'll make it all go away with my magic hands.
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No. 73081 ID: 5cdcb7
File 137270564478.jpg - (62.45KB , 600x877 , l.jpg )
73081

>>73017
Seems legit.
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No. 73097 ID: 5a5dd4
File 137275417296.png - (76.00KB , 800x600 , d0.png )
73097

>>73081
So legit.

>>73017
Sadly, I am on another continent.


Midnight of the eleventh (twelfth?) day: Aaaaauuugh the pills do nothing.

I'm going to see the Doc again tomorrow.


I still can't focus on stuff for any great length of time, and I feel like trying to draw quest updates would just be a gongshow, so instead I figured I'd make a drawthread and post a bunch of doodles I have kicking around.

Warning: a bunch of them are porny. Deal with it. Or not. Whatever.

>>/draw/19692
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No. 73104 ID: fa6f0a
73104

>>73097
i hope I'm not breaking some taboo, but perhaps it's time to imprint a name of choice over your identity so we can refer to you by a name other than "that forsaken guy". or maybe a new name if you're trying to distance yourself from an old one? that is also fine.

and maybe, if you'd like, you could pop in the irc and chat. you don't have to, but it's nice in there.
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No. 73106 ID: c23ab0

Oh hey, to actually get on topic for once, when you made up all these wild creatures, why'd you give them names of things that already exist, like dwarves and harpies and kobolds and stuff?
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No. 73107 ID: 5a5dd4

>>73104
>>73106
You know, it's funny. Both of these questions relate back to the same problem: I am terrible at making up names.

Like, I know a lot of other authors around here pretty much just use either the name of their first quest or a character from it, but "Forsaken" is kinda meh for an alias, and right now I only have Torren and Raine to choose between for characters, and while they work for their respective characters, I don't think either of them would work for me.

And sure, why not. I'll hop into IRC later today when I'm back from the doc.

I'll try to come up with a name between now and then, and I guess I'll post something about it here when I get on IRC.
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No. 73113 ID: 5a5dd4
File 137282272250.png - (249.64KB , 800x600 , limebreaker.png )
73113

After much deliberation, I hereby name myself "LimeBreaker".

Yeah, I dunno. I like it.


My doc hooked my up for some massage therapy, so there's that.

I'll be in IRC as soon as I figure out how to actually do that. It shouldn't take long.
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No. 73123 ID: f0357f

>>73113
Excedrin, does it works?
Ibuprofen, does it works?

Ten bucks says that you have vitamin deficiency.
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No. 73128 ID: c23ab0

>>73123

LIME DEFICIENCY
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No. 73142 ID: 91c1b3

>>73107
>>73113
You were right, you are terrible at making up names. So am I, but I have a nice backup if I ever need to sound cool. (Mazarin)
You could go with Mobius or something?
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No. 73143 ID: c23ab0

>>73142

gottagofast

Lime Breaker is a great name
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No. 73151 ID: a01b62

>>73128
It's scurvy.
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No. 73160 ID: 91c1b3

>>73142
Forgot to add "no offense" to the beginning; I meant it more as a bit of a jab than outright criticism. (It's also a [/i]much[i] better name than Salestax, honestly)
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No. 73161 ID: a01b62

>>73160
More like Lowtax
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No. 73166 ID: 9b57d3

>>73113
Reminds me of Lemonfont.

Go with Limesnake or something that flows better than LimeBreaker. Too many hard syllables in that. Or just Lime.
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No. 73167 ID: bf54a8

i like limebreaker. sounds crunchy.
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No. 73170 ID: 1d0dac

>>73167
Even in milk?
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No. 73175 ID: 5a5dd4

Aha, having a name means I don't need to draw stuff to respond to you guys here.

>>73142
>>73160
Yeah, I was gonna say, you don't exactly have the grandest of names yourself. I mean, you have a number in there, what's up with that?

>>73166
I am quite fine with people using Lime as short for LimeBreaker.

>>73151
The irony here is that I probably chug enough orange juice to keep a shipful of sailors scurvy-free.

>>73170
My crunch is maximum.

On a more quest related note, it's gonna take me a few updates to get back into the swing of drawing, so things might look scribblier or messier than usual for a bit.
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No. 73182 ID: f5e470

fuck Forsaken; this thread is now about criticizing people's names

>>71160

lame

>>71199

bland

>>71209

stupid

>>72440

fake

>>73113

gay

>>73142

fake and gay

>>73161

globby bottle of cheap, stinking chip-oil

>>71198

sexcellent
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No. 73186 ID: ea771b

>lame
I chose this name when I was ten or so, and by the time I realized that it wasn't that good of an idea I had been using it for years.
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No. 73188 ID: 91c1b3

>fake and gay
>fake
what?

>>73186
Pretty much the same for me. I've been using mine for more than 8 years now.

>>73175
I was trying to think of a username for runescape and I couldn't think of one. I then looked at a receipt I got for something I bought and it said Salestax 8(cents). That changed to Salestax1 over time. I am/was extremely unimaginative.
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No. 73193 ID: 9ddf68

>>73182
I chose my name based off of what I thought I would amount to in life
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No. 73194 ID: 974ce2

Yeah I don't know, I think that LimeBreaker's fine. If said the proper way, it can even be a euphemism for different things, which is quite fun. At a minimum it is better than mine, which I, like many of you others, made up when I was about 6, based on the y,i, and u keys being right next to each other.
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No. 73289 ID: 9cb233

>>73182

Fat and ivory-poachable
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No. 74039 ID: 5a5dd4

People were asking on IRC, so I guess I'll post here for everyone that isn't on IRC.

>What's the deal with your update schedule?

Long story short: I'm trying to update about once a week.


Long story long: I still have the headache, it's because my neck is messed up, and I'm seeing a massage therapist and a chiropractor about it.

So, because headache and neck pain, it basically hurts to do anything that isn't lying down in a dark, silent room with my eyes closed, and even that hurts a bit. It's not like, horrible pain or anything, but it's enough that it is difficult to focus on things for very long or get motivated.

And for double the fun, painkillers are doing fuckall. Even the doctor prescribed ones. It's like I have the worst superpower or something.

Anyways, drawing and updating and stuff isn't any worse pain-wise than sitting at the computer and playing games or whatever, but it does take significantly more time and effort. I am hella slow at drawing. Like, several hours at minimum for an update, and even longer now that I frequently have to take breaks from sitting to just lie down and let things stop hurting for a bit.


And real life shit is taking up way more time than it normally does for the exact same reasons, and sometimes I just lie down and check the fuck out for several hours, so it's hard to find time to update.


All that said, I still enjoy running Forsaken, and I would like to update it more often than I do, but real life is getting in the way of that.

So yeah, I'm trying to update about once a week.
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No. 74079 ID: a01b62

>the monopoly on limping bat-girls
I don't know who you think you are, buddy, but I'm here to tell you there's not enough room for the both of us in this one-horse town.*
*actual room in one-horse town may vary
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No. 75198 ID: 5a5dd4
File 137655535589.png - (878.74KB , 2000x2000 , batref.png )
75198

Reference stuff for the as of yet unnamed harpy from thread one.

Please forgive the terrible handwriting.
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No. 75262 ID: 01531c

>>74039

Go see a neurologist
Go see an endocrinologist

The first for natural neural fuckery or habit-formed neural fuckery diagnoses!
The second for "body cannot repair/adapt properly because hormone transport for those proteins are derped" diagnoses!
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No. 75265 ID: 91c1b3

Pain that doesn't go away with normal pain medications, is helped by massage, and is centered around the neck makes me think of nerve pain. (I was thinking fibromyalgia until I remembered that you took codeine. It's apparently really good with that)

(also sorry that my only comments here before were about your name, I thought I wrote something else before; I really like your general art style)
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No. 75269 ID: 5a5dd4

Sure, more health updates, why not.

I had an a full blood workup and an mri maybe a week ago, and it was all normal, so I don't have like, tumors or anything.

So with that done, I'm back to massage therapy and chiropractor, and also acupuncture.

To be honest, I'm not entirely sold on the legitness of acupuncture, but my doc recommended it and studies have shown that it works a lot of the time so why the fuck not.

I had my first appointment today, it was pretty weird.

In addition to that I'm now on prescribed medication number four. Or maybe five? Basically, me and my doc are trying a bunch of different shit that works through different mechanisms instead of just getting stronger shit and calling it a day. That said, my last set of pills included tylenol-3, which (according to threeP) is pretty lame as far as painkillers go, but it's still the kind of stuff they generally give to people coming out of surgery.

Anyways, this latest stuff is called lyrica, it is for neuropathic pain, and apparently it one of the lamest drugs that still has potential for abuse and dependence. I'm not too worried about that though, because it is doing fuckall for me, much like the other pills before it.

>>75262
>Go see a neurologist
I am lined up to get an appointment with one at some point in the future.

>Go see an endocrinologist
I am not sure how that'd help.

>>75265
>is helped by massage
The massages hurt like a bitch and weren't/aren't improving my headache, which is why I'm trying all this other shit. They were/are apparently seeing improvement in the tightness of my neck, but I've felt pretty much the same in spite of that.

>I really like your general art style
Thank you.
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No. 75291 ID: 2f4b71

>>75269
>acupuncture
It's clap-your-hands-if-you-believe therapy. The Placebo Effect can do wonders for low level pain and discomfort through stimulating the brain into releasing painkillers, so it's in the class of "if it works, then it works". You're essentially tricking your brain into thinking that it's having an effect so well that it actually has an effect.
If the Acupuncture doesn't work, then you can try the various other 'alternative' therapies (Reiki et al) until you find something that's basically comfortable for you to lie down and relax for an hour or so. Massage would normally be the go-to, but you've already tried that.
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No. 75297 ID: c23ab0

Acupuncture can work well, if done right. You can use those needles to block blood vessels, affecting the circulation and reducing swelling. You can also put pressure on nerves for various paralytic and stimulatory effects. There's also the simple fact that damaging tissue can stimulate it to start healing. The needles are supposedly painless though, so I doubt it's taking advantage of the trick that when you bang your knee it makes your headache hurt less.

The reason it seems hokey is the theory behind it has the wrong basis. When azns figured out acupuncture by trial and error they guessed there must be some kind of something flowing through the body, and there must be a something making things hurt more or less, and just sort of called all that chi and stopped asking questions, since they didn't have the scientific method.

A good acupuncturist will discard the notions of chi or chakras, and instead learn about blood flow, circulation and nerve clusters. We figured out that it's actually blood and nerves thanks to science, but a lot of acupuncturers are still stuck in the past. As with any ancient technique. Leeches for instance are still medically useful, and awesome at reducing swelling in fact, but if you ever hear a medical practitioner talk about using them to extract the Black Bile, you run very fast and very far away.

Or at least that's what I've heard.
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No. 75306 ID: 2f4b71

>>75297
Unfortunately, the 'blood vessels and nerve clusters' explanation isn't much better than the 'energy flows and chakras' one. Reducing blood flow actually encourages swelling (though reduces redness, making swellings appear less visible), and nerves do not 'cluster' outside of the CNS. You won't be prodding any nerve clusters unless you're inserting needles into the spinal column or brain. Pressure also has minimal effect on transmission of action potentials, though prolonged pressure on an area may prevent diffusion of neurotransmitters, this is not significant outside of the CNS.
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No. 75307 ID: c23ab0

>>75306

I've got a funny bone that says nerves do cluster outside the spinal cord. And yes, increasing blood flow is good for *healing* which reduces swelling in the long term. But if you never wanted to reduce blood flow you'd never use ice packs, which is not a thing that we do.
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No. 75309 ID: 96c896

>>75306
Well regardless of what's causing it, there are some things that acupuncture can do that are verifiable as not being due to the placebo effect. A great deal of what acupuncture is used for in eastern medicine is pretty much bullshit, but there ARE some things that it can be legitimately used for. I forget what those things are offhand though.
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No. 75325 ID: 5a5dd4
File screambts.swf - (155.01KB , 550x400 )
75325

Just a version of the flash zoomed out a bit, and without the camera movement, to show off how I did stuff a bit.
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No. 76777 ID: e3aff6

>>/quest/543889
>>/quest/543891
Looks like someone's played Bastion.
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No. 77900 ID: 7f3f68

Hey, LimeBreaker, how are you? Have the doctors managed to cure you yet? Please don't die of a headache. That would be a most ignominious death. "RIP LimeBreaker - Dead of that $%*#ing headache."
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No. 77930 ID: 5a5dd4

>>76777
Among many other games, yes. If we played "spot the influences" we'd probably end up with a list that's a mile long.

>>77900
I am alive. I still have a headache. No drugs have worked. The only remaining drug options are like, full on addictive "you will need rehab" drugs, so I'm holding off on that for the moment. Acupuncture was a complete and painful failure; I generally left appointments feeling worse than when I got there. I am still going to massage, which helps with my neck and back a bit.

I am not getting better, but I've hit a point where I'm not getting worse either.

Basically, I have a constant headache in my forehead and temples that never goes away, I am very photophobic, which is to say, it hurts to be in brightly lit rooms. And by brightly lit I mean standard indoor lighting. The power light on my monitor hurts to look at. I wear sunglasses indoors a lot. And lastly, the muscles in my neck, upper back, and shoulders are all basically perpetually tense, stiff, and slightly sore.

I have appointments for a neurologist and a different chiropractor lined up for mid-December.

So, yeah, while everything sucks and nobody knows what's wrong with me, I am probably not dying.
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No. 77936 ID: 250669

Have you tried changing your diet?
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No. 77940 ID: 64dd23

have you tried lobotomy?
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No. 77955 ID: 36c336

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photophobia

Go down the list, eliminating the ones that don't match your symptoms? Keep in mind that it's possible to have more than one condition at once, so given symptoms may be related to a secondary, or complication, condition. That list is probably not exhaustive either.

I personally know that migraines in particular tend to have pretty damned severe photophobia and continuous headache symptoms until correctly diagnosed and treated (usually with particular drugs), but be careful not to jump to any conclusions.
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No. 78015 ID: fb4e93

Dang, good luck with that. We shall will you to health.

In regards to the outfit post, do you suppose we could have a shot from behind, for packs and stuff? Whenever it's convenient. You could even pretty much just flip the front one and erase some lines.
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No. 78016 ID: 5535c8
File 138546346880.png - (61.90KB , 800x600 , steve.png )
78016

the circle must never be broken

#minifridge
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No. 78017 ID: 60675d
File 138546352669.jpg - (41.17KB , 1000x700 , I had to!.jpg )
78017

beated
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No. 78019 ID: 60675d
File 138546609483.jpg - (42.67KB , 1000x700 , I had to!.jpg )
78019

>>78017
real one
padding underneath, chainmail covered by leather and armored boots plus poncho, i think her hat is now in the lost andfound, so maybe she can retrieve it
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No. 78020 ID: 64dd23

>>78015
you just want to see a butt!
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No. 78027 ID: 5bf190
File 138549712889.png - (69.96KB , 800x600 , goddamn.png )
78027

I AM VENGEANCE
I AM THE NIGHT
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No. 78028 ID: 5bf190
File 138549820093.png - (71.83KB , 800x600 , bewareupdrafts.png )
78028

More serious suggestion.
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No. 78029 ID: b386b4

Could magnets be used to fasten things "through" the wing membranes without hurting them?
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No. 78030 ID: 2f4b71

>>78029
Probably not. If you place a strong magnet on either side of your earlobe, the pressure will cause a loss of circulation and eventual cell-death. Keep this up, and the magnets will eventually meet each other after necrotising their way through your ear. I suspect this would simply occur a lot faster for a thin wing membrane.
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No. 78031 ID: 1c677c
File 138550068858.png - (193.16KB , 1280x960 , bwbather.png )
78031

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No. 78032 ID: b386b4

>>78030

A strong magnet, but what about a weak one? They'd pop off more easily, but then you could use lots of small ones, similar to a row of buttons. No one spot of the wing would be too bothered, especially if there's a layer of cloth between the magnets as well.
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No. 78037 ID: fb4e93
File 138552223392.png - (88.38KB , 800x600 , backpack.png )
78037

Here's an idea for how a backpack thing could work. You could also use a similar idea for anchoring other things. Text is a bit small, sorry.

There's a number of tweaks you could do, like anchoring the backpack at the bottom as well as the top, and/or giving it a frame to stabilize it against the back to keep it from flopping side to side. The cables could be stretchy (in places?) to allow you to still bend forward. Also, it might be hard to reach on the back (depending on racial flexibility), so it might make more sense on the front. Might make more sense there from a flying standpoint, too.

I considered having it just latch around the neck, but that sounds...hazardous.
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No. 78039 ID: fd6ae9

>>78016
Nice touch with the pokéthong.

>>78019
This one is pretty good, actually!

We obviously need some kind of backback or book bag to carry things. The challenge is you can't really throw straps over those shoulders (wings in the way) and if you use some climb of clasp or latch it has to be easy to undo with doubled over feet close to your body. (Or tongue).

...maybe a fanny pack would be easier? Or sidesaddle packs / bookbags / book-holsters or something.
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No. 78052 ID: 2f4b71

I think a backpack, no matter how convoluted the attachment is, is out simply because she would have no way of ever reaching it with her tongue or feet. Saddlebags and thigh-bags would be more accessible.
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No. 78089 ID: c23ab0
File 138567254873.jpg - (56.63KB , 800x600 , jetbat.jpg )
78089

Yeah a backpack is a totally lame idea.

Now a jetpack on the other hand...
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No. 78115 ID: fb4e93

>>78052
Eh, I think it depends on
A) How it was constructed and positioned, and more importantly:
B) How flexible she is.

I mean, consider that she can put on a hat with her feet, so she can totally reach that high. If you had the backpack on the front, it would probably be more accessible than one on the back, and you could give it a zipper down the front or something if it was still too difficult. I suppose, alternately, you could also have, like, large bags kinda draped around the waist. (But we need somewhere to store all the sweet loot we shall surely acquire! NEVER DROP ANYTHING.)

Oh, one other mode of use for a backpack is that you just CARRY it on you - you take it off to put stuff in it, which actually kinda makes sense, anyway.
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No. 78116 ID: fb4e93

Come to think of it, actually - how often DO you actually try to get stuff into or out of a backpack while wearing it? It's kinda a pain.
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No. 78117 ID: fd6ae9

>But we need somewhere to store all the sweet loot we shall surely acquire!
Immediately, there's the problem that carrying stack of books with one foot, or bound by your tongue, is going to be awkward or unfeasible. She needs a way to store them.

Hey, what about book straps? Those would be pretty simple, and all we need is a belt or something to attach them to.
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No. 78123 ID: 256d52
File 138577473031.png - (29.61KB , 800x600 , harpy_dressups.png )
78123

I was going to try panniers to carry stuff but then I realised she probably needs to use her feet to get stuff out?

You could probably tie pouches to these suspenders and belts and things!
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No. 78132 ID: 1e47cc
File 138581153002.jpg - (43.27KB , 1000x700 , I had to!.jpg )
78132

a couple of leg satchels you can open by grabbing a cord and closing them by grabbing the other, so you ca use just one hand
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No. 78133 ID: 7bbaae
File 138581192335.png - (63.19KB , 800x600 , kyrelidoll.png )
78133

I shat this thing out.

It's a scalemail apron under a leather/fur mantle. Because nothing says "Don't Stab the Cook" like a scalemail apron.
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No. 79200 ID: 5f5afc
File 139048990208.jpg - (17.68KB , 400x620 , fro2.jpg )
79200

Let the weight of the Afro remind you of your past sins while giving you the strength to move on.
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No. 79201 ID: d315b1

>>79200
Perfection.
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No. 79203 ID: d2f04f

>>79200

yeah, changing my vote to this.
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No. 79204 ID: f9bd44

>>79200
this all the way
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No. 79212 ID: 2f4b71

>>79200
Another vote for the One True Haircut.
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No. 79267 ID: a87e3a
File 139073281737.png - (21.03KB , 257x226 , pompaElf.png )
79267

I had to do it. In the right thread this time.
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No. 79270 ID: e607cd

>>79267
Tunnel Snakes rule
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No. 88438 ID: b3bfb0

will this ever come back?
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No. 126786 ID: b1b4f3

>>88438
The word is no: Limebreaker refuses to spend effort on art that he's not being paid for, now that he's drawing for a living.
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No. 126790 ID: e1d580

>>126786
Why did you reply to a three year old post
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No. 126793 ID: b1b4f3

>>126790
The thread got bumped by a spammer and I didn't look closely enough at the date.
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