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95575 No. 95575 ID: 5d3c33

Since it was requested.

Speculations, meta and questions (which i can answer if they aren't too spoilerish)
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No. 95579 ID: 2ccbb3

1. What IS the definition of a weirdling? We can tell that magic "radiation" (ancient curses, spells that go wrong, an actual genetic mutation enhanced by magic) causes some people to grow weird ^&*( out of their bodies, but what is the definition that Gund uses to perform genocide?
2. In each faction of Gund (Poltical, Millitary, Economical), how hard is it to hide a weirdling as a member of society? (Would like details on how variables factor into this question; how high / powerful / famous someone is, how high / powerful / famous their weirdling charge is, and how much security / consequence is put into rooting out weirdling "traitors" in the ranks of a particular faction)
3. Are weirdlings killed on sight or tortured to death by the guard?
4. What is the TYPE of hatred that the military and political factions in Gund have against weirdlings? Are they performing an ethnic cleansing, or do they believe that weirdlings are the consequence of heresy, or do they NOT hate the weirdlings past personal grudges and simply want more POWER that they can obtain from the deaths of weirdlings?
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No. 95587 ID: bb78f2

>>95579
Oh, well then, my question that I just asked Masha just got asked as the first question in here. Well then, sorry about repeating it in the quest.

Why the King hasn't outlawed magic to prevent further mutations and even mutations caused later in life is one of the major questions I have that wasn't asked in here that I asked in the quest.

The thing I was asking Masha about Illusion magic is a suggestion in a question for Masha to look into it if she can, though.

How will Masha GO about learning new spells in the quest? Will she simply be buying them to use them? Will she buy them, then have to rest and change her spells around because she has a limit of 4 at any given time?
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No. 95590 ID: d0881b

>>95579
>>95587
Ok, let's see:

1) The Weirdling curse affects fetuses. Or better. The magic that exist in the air latches onto souls. The weirdling curse was born when the demons where banished from the material world. The mutations are remains of demonic and draconic souls, shattered during an ancient war, that floats in the ether, looking for ways to reconnect to the material world. Magical mishaps and other small curses can alter the physical form of a character, but Weirdlings have those mutations locked in their own souls. Therefore they can't let them go or hide.

2) It is incredibly difficult to hide a weirdling. Especially since they need to survive childhood without being found out. Protecting or hiding a weirdling is a death sentence. Not only for the perpetrator, but for the family as well, that will be labeled as traitors, and stripped of any possession. Entire rich families during the first years of the purge were removed from power because they tried to hide a mutant child. The king created a special force that roams the land, called the "Purge". They have power over everyone. They can call upon guards, citizens, and anyone else. Purgers are feared by the entire kingdom, because a single word from them can mean the difference between death and life.

3) Weirdlings are not killed on the spot. They are collected by the military and then no one knows what happens to them.

4)The military is bound by honor and blood to the king himself. Whatever he desires or wishes will be done. IT is thank to him that the kingdom was conquered and created, turning it from a vile savage beastland to a prolific and powerful kingdom.

>Why the King hasn't outlawed magic to prevent further mutations and even mutations caused later in life is one of the major questions I have that wasn't asked in here that I asked in the quest.

As i said, because magic can only mutate Physical forms, and it's reversable. The Weirdling curse affects the soul and the very essence of the being, which means it's impossible to get rid of completely. Purgers and the military have ways of determining the difference between a weirdling and a magical mutation from a spell.

>How will Masha GO about learning new spells in the quest? Will she simply be buying them to use them? Will she buy them, then have to rest and change her spells around because she has a limit of 4 at any given time?

Thanks to her special condition, Masha can learn a spell by studying it (but she is limited to Earth magic for now, due to her race and subrace). She can also learn a spell accidentally, by suffering the full effect while being able to see and understand what the caster is saying.

>The thing I was asking Masha about Illusion magic is a suggestion in a question for Masha to look into it if she can, though.

And now for the really bad news! Illusion magic is a form of Steam-magic. The type of magic that requires attunement to both fire and water. And due to Masha's subrace, she will never be able to learn Water magic, thus making impossible for her to learn Illusion magic!
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No. 95591 ID: bb78f2

>(but she is limited to Earth magic for now, due to her race and subrace)

For now, ehh? If we find a loophole in the universe that allows us to use other elements of magic, will her bonuses to magic carry over to that element, or will that depend on the loophole in question?

Can she use water magic based artifacts like Flycatcher's Slime Ring, for example? If so, does her antennae also affect magic she may be creating through an artifact?
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No. 95627 ID: bb4b55

>>95591
>For now, ehh? If we find a loophole in the universe that allows us to use other elements of magic, will her bonuses to magic carry over to that element, or will that depend on the loophole in question?

It's possible for mages to train in other elemental magic. It takes years to be versatile in one or two of the base four elements (water, air, fire, earth). After being able to use two elements at once, a mage is able to try the combination magic of two elements (lightning, lava, mud, steam, ice, sand). Masha can try to learn to use Fire and Air magic, but never Water and the relative combination magic.

>Can she use water magic based artifacts like Flycatcher's Slime Ring, for example? If so, does her antennae also affect magic she may be creating through an artifact?

She can use water based magic items and the effect that those can have on her will be amplified, but she won't be able to amplify the magic of an artifact/magical object against others, since the magic source comes from the artifact itself and not from Masha.
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No. 95629 ID: 3663d3

could we break the world by eating a water elemental and gaining it's power?
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No. 95645 ID: 9dbbfb

>>95629
Eating a water elemental would probably kill you, since it doesn't kill the elemental and allows it to act inside your organs.

And considering Masha's enhanced reactivness to magic, it would probably make her explode.
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No. 95647 ID: 88960e

>>95645
Are, are water elemental assassins a thing, cause that's so ridiculous that it's awesome.
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No. 95653 ID: 9dbbfb
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95653

>>95647

They are. It's a particular spell that can be casted by powerful wizards. It enchants an amount of water to become sentient after a set amount of time. After that, the water transform into an elemental and tries to escape from the body, taking all the water it can with itself.

It's rather brutal, but there are ways around it. Kings and emperors have wards in their cups against this kind of magic.
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No. 95684 ID: e53226
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95684

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No. 95687 ID: f56624
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95687

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No. 95851 ID: 7d1092

Gnuk, your dwarves are too cute for their own good.
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No. 95854 ID: fe06ff

>>95851
So are Gnuk's dogs
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No. 95857 ID: 03df58

>>95851
>>95854

aww shucks, you!

thanks.
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No. 95909 ID: defceb
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95909

I tried
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No. 95910 ID: 408e21

>>95909

Ahahah

Alternative title: "Creepy guy's vision"
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No. 95911 ID: defceb
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95911

Alt version
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No. 96151 ID: c2b08e
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96151

And Bella the Houndling enters the story!
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No. 96152 ID: c2b08e
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96152

And so does Freak the goblin
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No. 96163 ID: bb78f2

Gnuk, are you concerned the voice imitation and throw might be too OP?
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No. 96164 ID: 86cfc3

>>96163
It'll just get defeated by a weirdling with super-hearing who can tell what we're doing, or one with super-sight, who will make out tiny motions of our throat.

...or when we use it carelessly enough that a regular person catches us in it.

It's a useful tool but it's not infallible.
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No. 96165 ID: c5720a

>>96163
If used correctly can be a powerful aid, but it's not as overpowered as you might think.
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No. 96182 ID: 5b4499

>you are now manually thinking of a Gnukverse Left 4 Dead.

>>96151
CHARGER!
>>96152
JOCKEY!

POTIONS HERE!
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No. 96183 ID: a22f87

>>96182
god damn you now I can't get it out of my head.
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No. 96187 ID: 7496ce
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96187

>>96182

You have uncovered my secret.

it was my plan all along

ALL ALONG!
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No. 96192 ID: 1a804f

>>96187
>Takabanda hating everything
Sorry, that...that just doesn't make any sense.
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No. 96194 ID: 2f61ee

>>96192
He hates it because he feels like he can do it better?
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No. 96196 ID: f56624

>>96194
Takabanda should be PILLS HERE
Froglegs should be HATE IS LIFE
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No. 96267 ID: e4cd78

Just in case anyone was wondering why i am not updating lately: i caught a rather bad case of influence and i am spending most of my days either in bed or in the bathroom, puking. I havent also had more than 4 hours straight of sleep in the last three days.
See you guys when i stop choking on my own vomit, hopefully. Ta-ta
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No. 96368 ID: 7503a4

>>96267
Well, since nobody else said it, I hope you get better soon.
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No. 96953 ID: 2b2dee
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96953

a better image of Ulric Lapanza
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No. 96954 ID: 8f821a

>>96953
Some say he's over 200 years old and still adventures
Some say he drinks calcium-enriched milk for breakfast
Well he's not Alaiv, but he's Alaiv's well-fed cousin!
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No. 96959 ID: cf91e4

>caught a rather bad case of influence
Peer pressure man, it's the silent killer.

Sorry I missed this. Hope you're better now.
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No. 96960 ID: cf91e4

>>96959
Duh, it's been like a month and a half. Of course you are.
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No. 96979 ID: 31f075

so are groucho glasses like the ultimate disguise in this universe? if that goblin weirdling put them on would everyone think he's human?
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No. 96983 ID: 5ea852

>>96979
Or...Undead are so rare that they might as well be a myth in-universe?
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No. 96984 ID: 0136e1

>>96979
The Groucho Glasses (or "completely normal moustaches and glasses") are a unique magical item that helps disguise a person (most of the time) by hiding their facial features (kinda). A goblin wearing those will look like a goblin with a big red nose and bushy moustaches and glasses.

They aren't a really good magic item...

>Or...Undead are so rare that they might as well be a myth in-universe?

Undead are relatively common. Necromancy, similarly to demonbinding is a condemned form of magic, but it's way easier to perform than golem creation or demonbinding. Necromancers usually creates links of magic that keeps together a body and let it act like a broken marionette that can follow simple orders. It also leaves the creature smelling of Lavander, which has been used for several centuries by necromancers to mask the foul odor of the rotten carcasses.

There are really few kinds of "intelligent" undeads. Vampires, Wraiths and Liches.

But i don't know why are we talking about this. Ulric is clearly a human.
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No. 96985 ID: 5ad4a7

>>96984
Ah, so there are no intelligent Skeletons? Sounds like a Lich would be the only skeletal intelligent undead in that case.

Tell us more about Liches!
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No. 96986 ID: 15720c

>>96984
If a human loses an eye, does the Groucho Glasses' ability to hide facial features make it look like they still have that eye? Or is it moreso only good for if they've got a scar to hide?
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No. 96987 ID: 0136e1
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96987

>If a human loses an eye, does the Groucho Glasses' ability to hide facial features make it look like they still have that eye? Or is it moreso only good for if they've got a scar to hide?

It can. The glasses will show that you have two eyes, a nose and moustaches.

>Ah, so there are no intelligent Skeletons? Sounds like a Lich would be the only skeletal intelligent undead in that case. Tell us more about Liches!

Liches aren't skeletons at all! They are more similar to parasytic spirits.

To become a Lich, a necromancer needs to pour his own soul inside a container. The containers can be of various shapes and forms, but they are all made of a particular rare material. A black metal only found in the depths of the seas. This particular metal acts as a sponge for souls and the necromancer, through various incantations can start to link his soul into this newly made container, and let it be completely absorbed, killing the original body. After this, the spirit inside the container awakes anew. A soul bound to the material world, but free from costrains, fear or other curses that creates Ghosts. This is how a Lich is born. After that, the spirit is able to move around in this new container and, when needed, grab onto a living body. When it does so, the Lich eats the previous owner's soul, and occupies the body. From that point forward, the Lich can move and cast spells normally, draining the body's strenght little by little. When the body becomes to die, or rot, the Lich simply releases the husk and latches onto a new host.

Killing a Lich is really difficult, because the soul container is made of a really powerful metal (spoilers, that aren't really spoilers since we might never get to talk about it in the quest - Flycatcher's trident and one of the dagger are made of that same particular metal, which is why it didn't break when trying to cut through the skin of the demon in the first dungeon.), and the Lich residing inside is still able to cast part of his spells!
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No. 96988 ID: 5ea852

>>96987
So, the soul can be extracted from the body by means other than physical death? Can souls be used if they're contained in something, like components or ingredients for items?
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No. 96990 ID: 5ad4a7

>>96987
Oh that's a very different kind of Lich than I was expecting.

I guess there ARE intelligent skeletons. Or one, at least.
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No. 96991 ID: a404f7

>>96988

Yeah, in fact at the beginning of chapter 3 of FrogQuest Takabanda ripped Flycatcher's souls out of his body. The ritual he did before was so that the Soul wouldn't leave the body permanently.

Wraith singers (like takabanda), necromancers and few powerful demons are able to extract the souls of living creatures.

Wraith singers do so only to cleanse or link souls together, while necromancers use it to create wraiths, ghosts or as fuel for undead golems.

And demons... well i can't tell. Sorry.
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No. 96993 ID: 5ea852

>>96991
Well, demons probably use them to make fancy furniture in order to look cool in front of their peers.
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No. 96996 ID: 763404

>occupies the body. From that point forward, the Lich can move and cast spells normally
Can a lich cast spells when not attached to a body? If not I would imagine imprisoning a lich would be significantly easier than killing one, since if you managed to disable the body you could then grab the lich vessel and stuff it in a box.

Also, can liches attach to non-humanoid things like dragons, demons or bears?
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No. 97011 ID: 6f30b4
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97011

>Can a lich cast spells when not attached to a body? If not I would imagine imprisoning a lich would be significantly easier than killing one, since if you managed to disable the body you could then grab the lich vessel and stuff it in a box.

The lich can still cast most of his less powerful spells while not possessing a body. It's weaker, but they are not harmless at all.

>Also, can liches attach to non-humanoid things like dragons, demons or bears?


They can't attach to dragons, since they do not exist. Nor demons, since the body of a demon is nothing more than a dead container that the demon is using as a suit. The lich would have to fight with the demon's soul in order to take control, and with strong demon it might result in a defeat for the Lich.

Animals like bears, on the other hand...
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No. 97012 ID: 3d2d5f

>>97011
Quick, start imagining the worst possible host a lich could be occupying.

Elephant? Troll? Giant scorpion? Mimic? Rock worm? Roc? Shark? Whale? Kraken?

Take your favourite overpowered / hard to kill / hard to target monster and add high level spellcasting.
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No. 97024 ID: 15720c

>>97011
So it has to be something with a soul for the Lich to take it over, then? No taking over golems, meaning they can't just construct a powerful body to take over, I suppose.

Although I wonder if a magician could cast growth and fire enchantments on a lizard and just stick it into a suit of armor. It'd still have a weak soul, I'd assume, since it's not a true dragon, but for the purposes of a lich, it would seerve the purpose.
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No. 97025 ID: 763404

>Elephant?
A Lich Elephant, the ultimate enemy of dwarfkind! The very thought is enough to make a dwarf consider the benefits of flooding the world with magma.

Though liches they can use animal hosts, does that mean there could theoretically be a non-murderous lich, or would the prolonged soul shenanigans inherent corrupt them anyway?

>The lich would have to fight with the demon's soul in order to take control,
...Can a lich attach to another lich's vessel (if they are confident they will win the soul fight) to become a double-lich? (A phylactery centipede?!)
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No. 97026 ID: cf91e4

I'd say a lion or some other big cat. Speed+dex/dodging+Spellcasting is a very powerful combination. The claws don't add a heck of a lot except to things really resistant to magic.
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No. 97035 ID: 01c11d

>So it has to be something with a soul for the Lich to take it over, then? No taking over golems, meaning they can't just construct a powerful body to take over, I suppose.

Golems are powered by elemental souls. Similarly to demonbinding, a wizard creates a recipient and pulls a soul from a elemental plane inside. The elementals are usually not smart enough to realize what's going on, and tend to follow orders quickly. A Lich can easily attach to a golem, but it will miss out on things like empowering their own muscles or senses, since the golems are made mostly of inhert materials.

>Although I wonder if a magician could cast growth and fire enchantments on a lizard and just stick it into a suit of armor. It'd still have a weak soul, I'd assume, since it's not a true dragon, but for the purposes of a lich, it would seerve the purpose.

That would work, but no one would ever think the lizard can be a dragon.
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98385

A better image of High Inquisitor Slarr.
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98594

Colour reference for Ulric Lapanza
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