>>362027
This is the best plan in the history of ever. Let's do everything in our power to make it happen.

Say, whatever happened to that Blade guy?

Thinking about optimising Restrictions from bindings, can I propose the following experiments:

Restrict our soul sensing to only apply to our own chakra, and then run through the full gamut of our chakra techniques. We can look for minor imperfections and inefficiencies we'd otherwise be incapable of spotting.

Restrict our soul senses purely to analysing Camella's soul quirk(s), and then spar with her. When her soul eyes open try to puzzle out how they work. Imagine the trolling potential in spare if we gain a full understanding of them.

Restrict our soul senses to only work on our soul, engage our soul sensing orientation, and closely examine our own soul. At the least we should try to catalogue any soul quirks we have, and possibly learn more about the structure of our soul, divine graft and all. We can then move on to analysing our own soul manipulation techniques, once again looking for flaws and imperfections. If Dávgon is willing, we could Restrict his soul sensing to only apply to examining our soul crafting for the duration of the experiment, so he can give his expertise. Finally, we should then try some hybrid healing and closely examine how that functions.

For all of these sensory experiments, it's best to keep the binding active for the minimum length of time, so it is not in force when analysing the results. SB may be able to help by taking a copy of the sensory input for a fraction of a second, which can then be analysed at leisure.

Some pretty nice info from last night:

[05-05 18:58:47] <Arkeus> Bob, would us helping Camella develop soul quriks forbid her from the transcendant path because she is helped or some such?
[05-05 18:59:27] <gamakichi> NORMALLY, you could help her, but because you are a godling, it classifies as divine intervention
[05-05 18:59:37] <gamakichi> And as such, help would prevent her from doing Transcendant
[05-05 19:00:12] <gamakichi> Davgon could help her if he had any idea how her existing soul quirk works
[05-05 19:00:47] <gamakichi> he's weirded out by the 'eyes that are not eyes, but are also not soulstuff, that can see things soul sense can, things eyes can, but also miss things one or the other should see'
[05-05 19:00:52] <gamakichi> that's fucking WEIRD to him.
[05-05 19:01:06] <InsufferableMystic> Hmmm do we get around it if we look at Camella's soul, figuire it out, tell Davy and get him to do it?
05[05-05 19:01:07] <Arkeus> Do we have a better idea of it than Dávgon? my plan initially was to sell to her that as we know her quite a bit, and soul usually has to do with, you know, manipulating one's soul, we could help her develop soul quirk better than most people.
05[05-05 19:01:16] <Arkeus> But apparently we can't because godling.
[05-05 19:01:45] <InsufferableMystic> I suppose proxy would still be divine intervention
[05-05 19:01:48] <gamakichi> You would only be able to help her, in spite of godling, if you did the normal armas thing and ignored the potential risks, which you, as players, are wont to do.
[05-05 19:02:05] <gamakichi> I would disrecommend it, but since when have you listened to that.
[05-05 19:09:00] <InsufferableMystic> Would the minions benefit more from a soul quirk given by Armas or would there be more benefit to a Davy applied one?
[05-05 19:10:05] <gamakichi> Davgon has less raw skill, but more patience and pride in his work.
[05-05 19:10:29] <gamakichi> his tendencies towards consistent, meticulous work make up for a great deal, compared to Armas' haphazard, if focused, approach.

05-05 19:23:37] <AlratanMobile> So, Bob, a question inspired by the last update. Would becoming a were-creature based on a mythic creature mean that the "mythic-ness" is transmitted to other people the were-ness is passed on to?
[05-05 19:23:46] <gamakichi> NOPE
[05-05 19:23:49] <gamakichi> doesn't work that way
[05-05 19:24:00] <gamakichi> it's just a totemic, animal-base form
[05-05 19:24:07] <gamakichi> it's not the actual magical creature they become
05[05-05 19:24:09] <Arkeus> Would becoming werehummingbird after hummingbird gets mythic means that our boost would have a higher beginning?
[05-05 19:24:13] <gamakichi> that's why most weres are non-magical beings
[05-05 19:24:18] <gamakichi> non-magical animals, that is.
[05-05 19:24:37] <gamakichi> Also, don't you want to have Lev caution other russians HE's getting worried about THEM to fuck with their heads?
[05-05 19:24:46] <gamakichi> I mean, if LEV says he's worried for your mental health.....
[05-05 19:24:55] <AlratanMobile> So BC becoming a were-hydra wouldn't mean that he could make other people werehydra?
[05-05 19:25:27] <guile> CAN we make BC into a hybrid three-part totem?
[05-05 19:25:29] <gamakichi> his children would be that, but that's it
[05-05 19:25:38] <gamakichi> not with the setup he has, no

05[05-05 19:28:24] <Arkeus> So, bob, you didn't answer irony yesterday- when IS Amen's birthday?
[05-05 19:31:11] <gamakichi> It's birthday is a day that no longer exists on any sort of calendar.

[05-05 21:39:10] <guile> hey bob, can I make Boris gain this soul quirk with the right art? http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo289/dyslexicfaser/SoullessArmy.jpg
[05-05 21:39:15] <guile> eh, like a couple years ago now
[05-05 21:39:47] <guile> I can never decide how to draw Boris - so I have one of him bald as an egg, and now this one where he looks like Toshi from Gintama
[05-05 21:40:42] <gamakichi> I would say a soul quirk with the restriction to only activate when he bakes gingerbread man would be doable, but a restricted soul quirk's pretty esoteric, by 'normal' spirit shaman standards.
[05-05 21:40:58] <gamakichi> you now know plenty about encouraging natural soul quirks, healing souls and binding/editting bindings.

05[05-05 21:43:09] <Arkeus> Bob, does Armas now has a lot of bindings he put on himself that he can't remove?
[05-05 21:43:13] <Grail> I can see it happening.
[05-05 21:44:04] <guile> no, because he hasnt been layering them, just changing the one binding
[05-05 21:44:04] <gamakichi> nope
[05-05 21:44:21] <gamakichi> he has one binding on himself that right now says and imposes nothing upon him
05[05-05 21:44:28] <Arkeus> ahah
[05-05 21:44:28] <gamakichi> same as SB and HB and Davghon
[05-05 21:44:32] <gamakichi> it's a non-binding, binding.
[05-05 21:44:37] <gamakichi> handy, in several ways
05[05-05 21:44:50] <Arkeus> Can he switch them anytime he wants?
[05-05 21:44:57] <gamakichi> just edit it into being a binding of your choosing and it can predate any spiritual attack you are creating the binding in response to
05[05-05 21:45:00] <Arkeus> vgon?
05[05-05 21:45:17] <Arkeus> Oooh, age is important for spiritual stuff?
[05-05 21:45:24] <gamakichi> he has to be there to spiritually percieve the soul on which the binding he wants to edit is placed.
05[05-05 21:45:27] <Arkeus> And argh, what happened.
[05-05 21:45:28] <AlratanMobile> I apologise if this has already been asked, but what rank is Armas now AT&T soul biding and sculpting?
[05-05 21:45:45] <AlratanMobile> *at
05[05-05 21:46:01] <Arkeus> I wanted to say "isn't it scary for Dávgon?"
[05-05 21:46:01] <guile> ... typing on an iphone, Al?
[05-05 21:46:09] <Grail> Armas is now a service provider.
[05-05 21:46:19] <Grail> Interesting.
[05-05 21:46:23] <gamakichi> he'd probably be considered a decent Adept, but it's doubtful any would classify him as an expert.
[05-05 21:46:28] <AlratanMobile> guile: indeed, you are correct
05[05-05 21:46:41] <Arkeus> Wow, that's quite a bit more impressive than i though.
05[05-05 21:46:56] <Arkeus> Thought.
[05-05 21:47:06] <guile> I rather imagine if Davgon were the type, he would be gnashing his teeth in jealousy at Armas
[05-05 21:47:12] <guile> being such a lucky asshole
[05-05 21:47:47] <gamakichi> he is a bit pissed this guy's effectively got a car to his bicycle
[05-05 21:48:00] <gamakichi> but he grasps that's not really something he should be pissed AT armas for
05[05-05 21:48:06] <Arkeus> gamakichi: does this mean Armas can use the World Eye to adjust Dávgon's binding from afar, or is "has to be there" portion make it impossible?
[05-05 21:48:07] <gamakichi> so he's just vaguely irritated by it.
[05-05 21:48:23] <gamakichi> can you percieve souls through the Allview Arkeus?
[05-05 21:48:28] <AlratanMobile> When Dávgon was a lad, there was none of this accelerated NN bubble malarkey. You learnt through hard graft or not at all
05[05-05 21:48:29] <Arkeus> I am sure Armas will gleefuly try to make Dávgon stronger
05[05-05 21:48:39] <Arkeus> gamakichi: as far as i know, yes?
[05-05 21:48:54] <gamakichi> then stop asking rhetorical questions

05[05-05 21:57:28] <Arkeus> You know, i wonder if it would be possible to have Armas restrict himself to only recover Winter energies on monday, and then edit the binding for tuesday, and then...
05[05-05 21:57:37] <Arkeus> So he recover so much faster
[05-05 21:58:04] <AlratanMobile> Nice
05[05-05 21:58:27] <Arkeus> It's probably too "deep" a binding for current Armas to edit though
05[05-05 21:58:33] <Arkeus> But it would be interesting
[05-05 21:59:07] <gamakichi> Arkeus, you just had an Ironybot idea.
[05-05 21:59:14] <gamakichi> Congratulations
[05-05 21:59:23] <Grail> I'm so proud
05-05 22:02:10] <gamakichi> Point is, Armas went from recovering 12-17 energy a day to (84-119)-5(for binding) energy
05[05-05 22:02:34] <Arkeus> Heh, that's nice :D
[05-05 22:02:35] <Sunnyside> That is hilariously cheap.
[05-05 22:04:18] <AlratanMobile> Can we Restrict our Summer Bloodline to only gain energy and graft traits from specific foods just before eating that food?
[05-05 22:05:04] <guile> spend winter energy on the binding to gain more summer energy, I guess
[05-05 22:05:29] <Sunnyside> Probably only worth it for high-tier stuff
[05-05 22:06:01] <AlratanMobile> The enhancement of the ability graft function of the bloodline seems most important
[05-05 22:06:44] <gamakichi> it's pretty hard to restrict your summer line with winter soul energy
[05-05 22:06:45] <gamakichi> just saying
[05-05 22:06:56] <AlratanMobile> Fair enough
[05-05 22:07:03] <AlratanMobile> More practice required then
[05-05 22:07:13] <AlratanMobile> Can we similarly restrict HB and SB?
05[05-05 22:07:47] <Arkeus> And edited
[05-05 22:08:03] <gamakichi> also, if you want to make a 'dawn/noon/dusk/midnight' binding to exploit like the 'every day of the week' binding, you'd need a second binding to layer that on-but more than that, that's stacking self-boosting, self-editted bindings, which is not only an advanced skill, but relies on your ability to edit bindings which is new ground for you and your mentors.
[05-05 22:08:30] <gamakichi> I really wouldn't recommend doing more than EITHER the weekly edit OR the 'fourtimesaday' edit until you'd really gotten a handle on this trick
[05-05 22:08:46] <gamakichi> Also, a final thing I must point out now, just so you don't cry foul later
[05-05 22:08:55] <gamakichi> the more bindings on a soul, the slower the soul will gain capacitance
[05-05 22:09:05] <gamakichi> or, in common parlance, gain size/volume

[05-05 22:22:58] <gamakichi> Are you asking if Armas can edit a binding he placed on himself? Because the answer is always yes
[05-05 22:23:10] <gamakichi> the 'percieve the soul' thing is a requisite for external binding editing, not internal
[05-05 22:23:51] <gamakichi> you see now why Davgon thought this was a big fucking deal.
[05-05 22:24:18] <gamakichi> dragons use shit like this all the time
[05-05 22:24:29] <gamakichi> it's one of their 'we are so awesome' bread and butter things
[05-05 22:24:31] <gamakichi> one of
[05-05 22:24:34] <gamakichi> not the

Since it's been a point of some contention in IRC, I went ahead and set up a poll for who Armas should pursue romantically, for a long-term relationship.

http://www.opavote.org/vote/308005

It's a simple ranked instant runoff vote. Just put everyone into the order of most preferable to least, and you're done. Candidates are arranged randomly.

>>362114
What is wrong with you?

It is vote. It is Democratic.

I voted this
Lyubov Khorobrova
Camella 'Cammy' Savoy
Helmi Valkonen
Witch Hyougo Hanmaki
Camella Larosa (Slider)
Silja Valkonen
Hillevi Valkonen
Camella Larosa (Ballerina)
Adelat
Cookie Lady
Whaitiri
Matron Witch Oggmum
Laetissi of the Elves
Erzsi of the Hapsburgs
Big Crazy
Gianni Giammari
Duke Li Kui (Black Whirlwind)
Paul-Jacques 'Lammy' Labombard
Einrik Valkonen
Amen the Bloodfiend

Has anyone else noticed the parallels between Placid and Amen? During the Mafia job the war walker was a kind of hive mind golem fully involved in the fighting. Then Armas used Lordly Imposition and placed a binding on it. Afterwards what Armas named Placid Savant makes it first appearance.
Compare that with Amen, who started as a golem of blood and hate, which then IIRC got bound and developed the Amen personality Armas deals with through and from the bindings.
I think there is a real chance the binding Placid wants to get rid of is the result of Armas Lordly Imposition and what created Placid in the first place.

Another thing, the chatlog says Armas cannot be vampire sire and were clan founder without exploding. Would it still count as Armas being a were clan founder if we made HB the founder of a hummingbirdwere were clan? As in giving hummingbirds an alternate form of human. There would likely be much less candidates since few hummingbirds fulfill the preconditions to be a were, but it might be worth it for Armas. Being a were brings benefits to the natural form too and they'd be much more his than humans that turn into hummingbirds. HB might go for it simply to be able to get his energy drinks on his own and I think its the kind of twisting the world Armas likes.

So, we need to make a mental defense. Digging up log quotes for people to be aware of what our mind is supposed to be like:

<Bob-Omb> Armas' mind is.......hm, phrasing.
<Bob-Omb> Armas' mind LOOKS trapped to hell and back, a thing so deceptive no measure of trust could be given to anything perceived during it's invasion. It would NOT, however, make them anticipate the fact the mind at any moment may simply real up and psychically brainbutt them.
<Bob-Omb> Once within the mind, they'd find a mind that would simply not be mapable-as by redefining thoughts as believed or not, there would be no long term conformity. Granted, this would merely slow lower-level mental invadors to a standstill-a sufficiently fast mental invader would supersede this trick.
<Bob-Omb> Beyond that... it's normal.
<Sunnyside> Sounds like a promising addition to our ambush trait
<Bob-Omb> So, notably harder to invade than a normal human mind.
<Bob-Omb> Your ambush trait it benefiting it tangentially with the AAE

Deceptive maze details plan:

A conceptual maze (not just walls but items... like, eat the mushroom is an actual PATH rather then just navigating 3d space), full of puzzles heavy on the conceptual side of things. The puzzles are not mini fortresses but deceptions, solving them correctly (which could sometimes be smashing the puzzle, or eating it, or doing what it says, etc) leads to the right path; if someone just ignores them they will miss the paths that require smashing, if they just smash them and goes down the path that is revealed when smashed tthey will be lost going down the wrong path (since sometimes the hidden path through smashing is a deception).

The puzzles all carry a verbal component (not entirely verbal puzzles, but every puzzle has riddles and words given with it) and those verbal components are focused on agreements. Non verbal component being similar to Alice in Wonderland.

The words are always truthful but only deceitful sometimes and only in deeper layers (want them to keep on reading and agreeing). Puzzles involve willingly accepting and then releasing a light binding... in theory, eventually tricking them to binding that is not released, but before that just having them get stuck with bindings due to failing a puzzle. (bonus points for puzzles that are unsolvable but look like they have a solution.

Ideally we want the invader to not realize what is happening until it is too late and they are bound too tightly and we own their ass.

Example, a puzzle involving many doors with 3 guides, each door leads to more puzzles, but only one is true and doesn't require backtracking after much effort (it will still require more puzzles though).
One guide tells truth only, one tells lies, and one tells a riddle with a hint... but the kicker is to throw in a chromatic aspect to it with Red, Green and Blue. You are allowed 3 potions, one of each color and there is a secondary riddle of the colors. Drinking each changes you into its color and changes which guide is the lier, riddler, or truther.
The hidden trap is that the wording on the potions is separate then the wording on the riddle (different plaque) and constitutes an consenting agreement to what the potion does. And what it does is place a light binding on you, a simple one like "be green in this riddle". But if any error is done on the color riddle you end up leaving with the binding still on, still in that color... and that binding can later on be leveraged by us as we eventually trap them in an agreement letting us modify any binding we already placed on them as we see fit...

Example2, a puzzle which involve no bindings at all but requires accepting the premise of agreeing to something via action (if you agree with 1 turn lever A, if you agree with 2 turn lever B)... By the end they end up leaving having accidentally and unwittingly agreed to something that lends us power over them without having any magical binding placed to enforce... but allowing us to place one later on without it being "unwilling" modification of a soul.

Finally, the maze should extend through the eye demiplane... we have a massive advantage over anyone else there (not enough to cage a wizard, but still massive) and we have a ton of space. Remember that it was made a part of our very soul as part of the creation of allview as well as encompassed to be as big as the world and being able to contain others. We thus get:
1. Massive advantage over intruders.
2. A world sized maze.
3. Ability to have allies in the eye pitted against them (will be important once we populate it with our heavenly choir)

Basically the idea is that at the end we own their ass... or they are trapped forever due to binding preventing them getting out or further in. Or we become aware of them invading the eye and use our massive advantage to fight and bind them there.

EDIT: To clarify concerns raised by alratan, the puzzles are not mini fortresses. You could go by them and just continue on with the maze (although we can then hide the correct path in the puzzle area... as well as a FAKE path for smashers to find). The reward of solving a puzzle is being told what is the correct path from here. The idea is that with each puzzle they become more bound and more ours. And those who refuse to ever play just get more lost as the puzzle structures themselves hide paths (some of which correct where going the right way necessitates solving OR smashing it; some of which false where someone who smashes it just gets led on a false path).

Ok, so those are the old files about endman:

-Walt Endman is a German smuggler, one who's been in Istanbul for a while. He deals in arms, and is listed as once having been a member of the Paladin Group. That, coupled with the notice that several presumed German gangsters have begun staying at some of his residences suggests he is indeed related to Savoy's German friends.
-There's no evidence of Walt being magically capable-but it does note he rather compulsively carries two magical items. One is a charm that artificially makes his soul identical to that of a bloodline user's-the second is a derringer wrought of metal reclaimed from an as of yet unidentified Artifact. The Derringer has thus far killed everything it has been fired at with one bullet.
The File also notes him to have a gambling habit, and that he gambles nearly every day, listing two casinos in the area he is fond of visiting.

This is what bob said a couple of nights ago:
http://pastebin.com/n06jXarB

The discrepancy between the two is notable enough, especially given how thorough our own files was, that it's obvious Endman's file was doctored. He possibly had links with the people who owned that building, or else they are very bribable. We might want to look into it.

>>362273
I like this and will upvote this.

But would like to add that there be sections of the maze that force the intruder to forgo physical corporalizations.

EXP: A section where, in order to enter one must accept the binding to be sculpted into a bodiless entity comprised entirely of words. A endless void white nothing-ness that can only be filled with the intruder's thoughts, and as he thinks every syllable that passes through his mind becomes the only "tangible" thing in the place. The foremost thoughts being bigger and idle ones being small. The words and sentences form and become pathways but they are misleading as no 2 minds are alike so too does the maze become like the intruder's mind his own mental failings being the traps. And all paths save one are wrong, as the only true "path" through the maze is to concede with every ounce of the mind that "ARMAS IS BETTER THAN YOU" (or something that is simple and horribly Deming to the intruder)

If a hint must be given for the sake of things, label the door to the section "ARMAS IS BETTER THAN YOU"

The fun (and profitable) part of this is that with every little thought that goes the his head SOMETHING useful will slip through (who is he working for, why he is here, lessons about mental invasion trying to be used, past experiences, ecetera) witch can be looked through later for bits of profit using said info. Also getting them to hole-mindedly "say" that is just so egotistically satisfying.

>>362273
We could add things like solving the puzzle correctly changes the way behind the intruder while every path in front of him is still a dud.

And don't forget to populate the maze. Something inspired by Ouroboros and the Wyrm that goes around eating parts of the maze to recreate them slightly different behind itself, while consuming/binding/hurting anything not of the maze.

And a few false targets are necessary too. Things that look like Armas's self and can resist for a time.

>>362279
The riddle parts can only really work if there is incentive for the intruder to solve those riddles. If there is none, he can just find our mind by himself. The point was, i think to play with truthful deceptiveness so that as long as the intruder doesn't solve the riddles our mind gets bonus for hiding- but that solving the riddles doesn't really give the story either. It must follow a fine balance.

>>362273
But what if they ignore the puzzles and just smash all the paths?

Would be at all possible to use the EYE as a battery?

on that note can SB transport items into the EYE?

>>362287
I am pretty sure it's a better idea to begin with the 'lesser' binding, and then up if we can: begin with "using soul senses only on saturday" and make all your rounds about all the stuff we want to see, and only after this begin with "restrict soul sense to only 'target x'", so that we don't begin by overstressing our soul too much.

>>362284
This is has been thoroughly addressed at that very post.

>>362277
Cool ideas. The more individual sections we can imagine and describe, the better.

We should start tracking endman on allview. Find a single member of the endman collective, track it and find other endmans through it (as he smuggles things to himself).

I doubt we would find his main soul (although it might have to transition to the bodies performing the ritual to create a new endman)

But even if we don't we collect a fuckton of intelligence. (and as an enemy of the goblins we could even sell that intelligence to them). We should leverage my plan to have our divine hirarchy in our eye and recruit a bunch of dead muggles into it whose job is to collect and collate data while their souls exist entire in allview.

Anyways, the key features we would get are:
1. Observe when he uses the ceremony magic to create more endman. Maybe replicate it one day.
2. Observe when he teaches advanced chakra to a student (he gets paid to teach chakra to all kinds of creatures)
3. Find the location of his goods and steal them on occasion.
4. Find who does business with him (more info to sell)
5. Potentially become disruptive enough to his operation for him to cut a deal with you where you never bother him again... but he teaches you everything you want... starting with the hive mind thing. (yay, better chakra teacher then lo fang!)
6. If we do catch his soul, eat his chakra gates for om nom nom chakra knowledge theft.

>>362288
Maybe on the first, definite no on the second. The eye is a spiritual plane, it has no physical properties. It is a realm of concepts, spiritual energy and thought.

>Homosexuality meter
<MrTT> armas orders include "penis"... nothing more, just "penis". Also it got upvoted
<MrTT> what do you think bob will do with such an order?
<Arkeus> Have sex with Gianni
<Arkeus> Or ask Gianni what he thinks of his penis
<Ironybot> I am confident that I can make a post which will cleverly hijack the tower of penis upvotes to my own benefit. He'll do that.
<Pillbug> I upvoted penis because I really want to know what would happen if a one word suggestion gets through
<Ironybot> I just have to ensure that my post contains sufficient penis.
<MrTT> @Ark: I think you might be right
<MrTT> armas is about to experiment with gia
<Juroko> ..I am ok with this

<MrTT> ">Penis" - armas has penis on his thoughts the whole day. -1 concentration for activities today. +5 to homosexuality
<guile> He gains a Homosexuality meter right under Shadow Patience
<Pillbug> Bicurious trait
<guile> when it reaches 100, he beelines for Gianni or Duke, whichever's closest
<Juroko> Well, Lyubov won't be on his mind now
<guile> oh yes, because Armas trolling for male subordinate ass is better
<Ironybot> You know, guys, I can't help but think that the whole "Lyubov is like fucking your secretary" thing is not something that would dissuade Armas at all.
<Pillbug> Maybe develops a penis fetish.
<MrTT> @Pillbug, you become bicurious when homosexuality is 1/4th the hetrosexuality meter. When they are both above 50% you are bisexual
<Ironybot> At this point in his life, Armas is likely to say "Yes. Yes it is. You know who doesn't like it when people screw their secretaries? People who aren't awesome enough to have willing, fuckable secretaries lying around."

>Harem is the only answer
<guile> "Lying around, literally. Jesus Lyubov, move or something. It's like doing it with a pillow."
<Ironybot> That is because she went unconscious after the first two hours.
<MrTT> if the girl passes out on you, that her saying "please get a harem"
<MrTT> whoop, girl 1 is unconscious... next!
<AquaticFlake> ...
<Ironybot> Post THAT in-thread, MrTT. I'll upvote it.
<Pillbug> I like that idea
<Wutenheimer> i'd upvote that

Rollan rollan rollan.

rolled 18 = 18

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Rollin' rollin' rollin'

rolled 78 = 78

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Rolling for roll.

rolled 6, 15, 19, 3 = 43

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Rolling for rolls.

>>362371
>Armas
>Harem

Somehow, SOMEHOW Amen would be in there. I am reminded of the Wizard in Oglaf.

"Come on, at least look like you're enjoying it."

Either that or Amen would explode.

>>364287
>Amen would explode all over Armas' face.
Fixed it for you.

Anonymous 2012/05/12(Sat)09:08 No. 54516 ID: cf49fc
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>>364289

rolled 77 = 77

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...Rollan for Zhenya training

rolled 3, 78 = 81

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...next two days...

>>364367
SHAKE IT OFF! BE A MAN! GET UP, YOU CAN WALK IT OFF!

Endman plan:
We shouldn't be killing endman, we should recruit him. He is the greatest chakra master around and is far safer as a teacher then lo fang.

The plan is simple:
1. Make it very costly for him to be your enemy.
2. Benefit from the fight against him directly.
3. Offer carrot (will antagonize his enemies the same way) and stick (threat to continue antagonizing him) to get him to teach you ALL he knows from now and into the future.

Step 1: NEVER KILL AN ENDMAN AGAIN! Tag them and follow them and find info. Find other endman from those you tagged (follow their mail, follow their meetings), Tag magic items they handle (to steal later), tag their magical contacts (sell transaction info, bad rep), tag their magical clients (sell transaction info, bad rep), tag their rich mundane clients (sell transaction info, bad rep), tag the locations they store goods in (steal goods or sell info). Heck, look behind his shoulder when he logs into his bank account and steal it (many at once).
Step 2: Observe via allview when they give paid lessons in chakra (free lessons!), observe via allview when they perform the process to create new endman (end goal is to learn it... if only non bloodlined humans can do it... well, we have allies). Sell location of goods or steal them, sell info on transactions and clients.
Step 3: Offer to return what you stole, to stop hampering him, to do unto his enemies... just have him join you. A grandmaster chakra teacher in all fields. Capable of teaching all hirelings simultanously, perhaps even capable of teaching armas to become a legion like endman was.

>>364399
>greatest chakra master around
>better than Lo Fang

Nope. He's got a wider range of knowledge, but less depth of knowledge, than Lo Fang. That does not equate to 'better than Lo Fang', nor does that equate to 'greatest chakra master around'.

He does, however, qualify as an excellent potential teacher of Chakra-but that's it.

>>364401
Alright, thanks for clarification.

>Endman plan continued
How to actually execute the plan:
Contact him via letter appearing in the house of the endman unit we found. Explaining we are the one behind the recent attacks and that we want to talk, include a phone number.
That you were asked to kill him, that his survival led you to investigate him, that what you found... well he has worth and you want him more then the reward for killing him.

Give him our terms; the stick (threat of what we will do to him if he refuses) and the carrot (offer to do unto his enemies; as well as to ignore the price on his head... luckily we did not actually make a contract to kill him, merely an agreement that IF we kill him we get rewarded).

He will likely not believe our capability, say you expected him to require proof. say you will demonstrate your ability for him to reconsider. Offer as a courtesy to at first NOT make public his transactions, client lists, or harming his clients; Rather just name them and specific occurrances to show that you CAN. Also, verify that targets are neither family nor close friends before striking (by telling him the target and asking).

>>364401
found relevant quotes

2012-05-07 00:59:48 <TheBeardiestBob>Endman could probably do respectably against a serious Lo Fang in item-less chakratic skill.
2012-05-07 01:00:19 <TheBeardiestBob>he'd get womped on martial skill, but total skill with Chaka, Endman's dickery with bodies has made him ludicrously good at his one innate magic method.
2012-05-07 01:01:38 <TheBeardiestBob>I mean in a 'this is a chakra comparison competition' not an actual fight.
2012-05-07 01:09:20 <TheBeardiestBob>No but seriously, vampires, chakra experts, even some fae actually consult endmans-he's even more lo fang than lo fang. He has not a single grandmaster area of chakra-but he has got every single orientation in the book you're getting, for ONE thing. he's got other things.

Experiment Ideas. In general, if we find ourself getting a headache whilst experimenting, immediately reset the binding to null and take a break. After perform the experimental session, reset your soul binding to null, and the same with HB and anyone else's if his has been set. Check all Restrictions with SB first to make sure we don't accidentally Restrict ourself to be unable to edit our own soul bind.

HB: Say to HB that we recall how his Focus was problematic to lend us, and suggest we have a method that may either ease the cost or make his sacrifice more worthwhile. With his permission, alter his binding so that all he may share with us through his link (to our soul if SB thinks that's a good idea) is his Focus. Then try it out. If it's useful, try to interest HB in the results of your other experiments so he's willing to lend us his focus whilst we perform each one.

Soul Senses: For all of these sensory experiments, it's best to keep the binding active for the minimum length of time, so it is not in force when analysing the results. SB may be able to help by taking a copy of the sensory input for a fraction of a second, which can then be analysed at leisure. Offer to apply the same restrictions to SB's magical senses as we're applying to ourselves. Start by Restricting our soul senses to first only working in winter, then in February, and then on Saturdays, and run all the below experiments with those restrictions first before applying the final set of specific restrictions described in each section.

Restrict our soul sensing to only apply to our own chakra, and then run through the full gamut of our chakra techniques. We can look for minor imperfections and inefficiencies we'd otherwise be incapable of spotting. Lo Fang mentioned that learning multi-orientations changed the chakra in some way, so it might be worth while looking for that, and perhaps watching it happening whilst we have a dual orientation active.

Restrict our soul senses to only work on our soul, engage our soul sensing orientation, and closely examine our own soul. At the least we should try to catalogue any soul quirks we have, and possibly learn more about the structure of our soul, divine graft and all, and look for any spiritual wounds that need healing or soul bindings in place. Can we see the signs of our soul oath we made with Ogrimmir and the results of the Contract we made such as the ability to sense Einheir. We can then move on to analysing our own soul manipulation techniques, once again looking for flaws and imperfections. If Dávgon is willing, we could Restrict his soul sensing to only apply to examining our soul crafting for the duration of the experiment, so he can give his expertise. Finally, we should then try some hybrid healing and closely examine how that functions.

Restrict our soul senses purely to analysing Camella's soul quirk(s), and then spar with her. When her soul eyes open try to puzzle out how they work. Imagine the trolling potential if we gain a full understanding of them and their weaknesses.

Restrict our's and Dávgon's soul senses to examining the golem, and look for improvements that can be made. Then restrict both of our external soul manipulation to only effecting the golem, and fix some things you've found. Compare the effectiveness to how it was before.

Restrict our soul sense to only being able to see SB's soul, and then let him examine a copy.

Restrict our soul sense to Hillevi and look at her whilst she's using her magic. Einrik said that their style is based on freezing their souls to allow them to draw extra power from it. Can we see that happening, or nay evidence of her Rule of Three enhancement.

Item Senses: Same basic principles as soul sensing. We should being trying to detect strength, the nature of the maker, any weaknesses or strengths, hints as to the construction method, the nature of the magic used, and anything about the precise details of the spells. SB may be able to combine this information with the spell matrices he can detect. The items we should look at are:
* AA-12
* Doom and Destruction .600 Round
* .45 Doom Round
* Mind Shielding Charm
* Reaper Charms, all together, then individually, then all together again.
* Accelerated Thought Protection Charm
* Wyld Goblin Cloak
* Kinetic Shield Charm
* Runfast Boots
* Leader Charm
* Arrow Charm
* Sword Charm
* The regeneration charm we gave to Camella
* Camella's charm from the Nazi warehouse.

Silja: Restrict our Winter Bloodline based senses to only apply to Silja, and simultaneously examine her with soul and item senses.

Energy Regeneration: Restrict our natural energy regeneration over time to the season of winter (1/4), Saturdays (1/7), February (1/12), and the seventh week of the year (1/52), being very careful to check for stressing our soul.

Orientations: Check all these with SB, Sake, and HB for potential problems or interactions with our summer owned body (or HB in the first case). SB should carefully monitor this, we should have Sake on hand in case immediate healing is required, and we should be ready to abort at the first sign something is wrong. SB should collate a memory package of what ever we're using and stripped of extraneous details, and whilst we're under the effects of HB's focus we should use Amen's technique to reify them into a chakra orientation. We should also ask SB if he can use this technique to produce chakra orientations, even if he can't use the results, as it might be better, as his chakra isn't Winter aligned so won't conflict with his presumably Summer owned body. Use:
* HB's Focus (if using his Restricted Focus is better, just use those memories)
* the six months training we performed with Dávgon in the NN
* the sensation of detecting the nature of magic items

Soul Guises: Restrict our soul guise to only being able to hide features of our nature, and then ask Amen if that makes it harder for him to detect our true nature.

Boris has been apprenticing under the cookie lady.

<VicodenBob> Boris learned how to craft masterful handpies of any sort of fruity filling, handpies of such caliber that you could cause someone to auto-dessicate purely by how much they slaver. Hand pies the likes of which wars could be fought over....
<VicodenBob> ...If only he could put the same amount of love and care in them the Cookie Lady does.
<VicodenBob> Which he cannot.
<VicodenBob> Because his heart is not as large, warm and caring as hers.

>heart is not as large
Obviously it needs to be replaced with a troll heart!

<HobbleBackBob>If people want to go all 'I didn't know there was a cutoff and had I known I would have SUST'd this' in discussion, I'll take that into account when I post

>>/quest/411204
SUST not drinking, you don't go to bars to not drink. You go to bars to have a fun time. Just don't get drunk. Use fleshcrafting and reinforcement to keep at an acceptable buzz at most.

>>/quest/411724
>The questions for Davgon are 'Are there ways to split parts of from a soul?', 'What would the repercussions of such a split be for a being without and a being with divine parts?', 'Are there ways for an external force to separate a soul bound being from the one it's bound to?', 'What are they?'.

SUST asking the first three questions since we know the answers (from personal experience even). The answers are, by the way 1) Yes, 2) Without the split being performed cleanly the soul would fall apart 3) Yes

The last question is the question we should be asking in depth, and we should include Sake when we ask it. From the tone of the post it looks like you're fishing for ways to create Divine Servitors. Sake would probably know more about that than Davgon but I bet both have ideas.

>>/quest/411736

SUST trying to ham-handedly manipulate the Yuki-Onna. We don't know them at all, we don't have a good read on them, and most importantly we don't even have them yet. We can't manipulate them unless we understand them a little.

SUST dealing with Note Writer. We already know what he's going to say ("Shit yeah son that'll help")

SUST Asking Einrik about Silja's status as a Valkonen without a solid plan to actually get in contact with him in a secure way. We don't know where he is or what he's doing. Maybe if we talked with Hillevi more we'd know.

SUST to giving the redcaps Armas blood or parts, that's insane. SUST to putting redcap parts into the golem. We don't need to give it metal bones, we need to give it the other arms it needs, and its counter-balance tail.

>Hit by a car

Holy fuck, Bob, are you okay?

As I didn't get chance to do a final repost, here's what I would have added/SUST-ed;

>>/quest/411736
Clarifying the Yuki-Onna plan. We should have them delivered through the sewers so no one else is aware of them, order Amen to let them enter and not effect them until we say otherwise, and not to spread knowledge of their presence. Unless they agree to our proposal, no one else should ever meet them or be told or shown evidence of their presence. In case of rejection, we should have Amen lock them in stasis, and then decide what to do. Probably repeatedly harvest and heal them until Silja is better with them in stasis in between.

>>/quest/411243
SUST:
* tagging SM and searching the sewers. We son't know if observing someone in the world eye triggers their Attention sense. It may well be worth seeing if you can get someone taught the very basics of it before risking being caught spying on the Wyld Goblins.
* the soul plan. We need more information on whether anyone else is already active in this space.

>>/quest/411495
SUST looking at Placid's soul. Observing Duke's soul hurt, and we should find out why first.

>>/quest/411724
SUST;
* going back to the Smiling One's website so soon and the tail work.
* adding the blood, we need a decent, trustworthy external blood manipulator on hand before we try anything like this.
* making trollishness part of our mindscape. We probably want to find out if there's feedback between the mindscape design and our mind.
* developing a new orientation from scratch. Unless we use Amen's memory reification technique we know it takes ages
* even contemplating soul breaking ourself

>>/quest/412163
SUST making our mindscape orange until we've had chance to discover if there's feedback.

>>364600
>tagging SM and searching the sewers. We son't know if observing someone in the world eye triggers their Attention sense. It may well be worth seeing if you can get someone taught the very basics of it before risking being caught spying on the Wyld Goblins.
We were told by wizard nobody can see us, also tagging him and spying on him are different things.

>the soul plan. We need more information on whether anyone else is already active in this space.
What? you can't buy souls from a devil shop until you find out if anyone else is already active in that area?
Or do you mean only the CONVINCING newly departed to join us? so what if others are active here. first come first serve... and besides, if someone does have "dibs" they will be there and we will meet them and we could then negotiate with them and have a new source for buying.

>>/quest/411736
>Yuki-Onna
If we were sincere about making them allies, we would need to rescue the other captives which harms our rep with the smiling one since her site used to connect us to a buyer..
Although.... if we have them discreetly inform their own allies of the oni's location and cargo they might take him out themselves... if its not traced back to us...

>Trade our own blood away
Fuck no!

>Put tail on golem
We are building it as a possession rental, this might get in the way.

>Spar golem
Armas only has weapons of mass destruction, he cannot properly spar it, only dodge and annihilate it.

>>364600
>* developing a new orientation from scratch. Unless we use Amen's memory reification technique we know it takes ages

Neither triple chakra orientation nor dual dual chakra orientation would start from scratch. Triple is just taking a dual orientation and do with it what Armas did under Lo Fangs guidance when he added a second orientation to his single orientation. Dual dual orientation has more new content, but Armas knows how to run a dual orientation. He needs to realize a dual orientation is itself a single orientation, too, and run two dual orientations.

>* even contemplating soul breaking ourself
You know Arams already did something quite similar? When empowering his Shadow to create SB, he invested a bit of his soul into his shadow. That's a bit not under his control anymore, if still loosely connected.

>>364606
The new orientation I'm SUSTing is the "this is me" one. The other things aren't covered by that, as, as you say, they aren't new orientations.

It is partially the example of SB that shows why we shouldn't do this. We lost half of our soul, including half our Summer Bloodline and potential size for our Winter one. With SB the benefits match the costs, but if we further split our soul we will dilute our existing power with no known way to replace the piece of our Winter bloodline we lose to create a new NPC.

>>364579
More than most people hit by cars. I got out of it with just a whole bunch of bone bruising to the spine and pelvis. Which sucks, but not nearly as bad as major breaks and such.

The Vicodin is nice.

>>54814
Is it "Ged well soon" or "well wishes" in english? Well, whichever is appropriate.

>>54827
Get. It's Get well soon.
>>54814
i'm an anon!!! i'm an ANOOOON! suck my diiiiick!! I'M AN ANOOON!!

>>54776
>From the tone of the post it looks like you're fishing for ways to create Divine Servitors. Sake would probably know more about that than Davgon but I bet both have ideas.

I don't think I am. What I want is a little more than a divine servitor as far as I understand. Christian equivalent of a divine servitor is an angel, while what I aim for is more in the league of the holy spirit. An avatar without flesh would be another approximation.

I am pretty sure a divine servitor doesn't get to keep any parts of its divine creator's soul. I suspect they are made in a process similar to crystallization. The creator takes a soulless piece and oversaturates it with his power. For example by running his power through it and letting spillage accumulate. Once the piece is close to bursting from unorganized power, structure is imposed/offered and the entire piece falls into the new organization to relieve the pressure. Perhaps by a touching with soul to leave something like fingerprints to serve as seeds, perhaps by a binding.

>>54814
Let me add to the well wishes with another, Get well soon.

>>54814
get well soon and best wishes

Testing a thing