>It would be nice if there were a link to the quest category on the main page. I'm not quite sure how to edit the main page; my Wiki-fu is underlevelled.
ooh, you know what would be even nicer? If the quest category was linked on the sidebar, like special pages!

>>365
Ooh. I like that. Is there any way we can do this? <3

>>367
Don't know. It'd be a Dylan-level task, though.

>No wonder; there's no obvious link to it from the site.

Yeah, it's not like it's in the sidebar, at plain sight, under the radio or anything.

>>369
If you browse with frames. :V It's not on the frameless version.

>>369
No one browses with the frame thing. It kills your address bar copypasta abilities.

When I have the time, I'll make a page for Fury Rising. It's a good place to infodump...

Adept!!MvMGOwL2H3 2009/10/25(Sun)23:13 No. 394 ID: f4963f
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Hey there, Adept again. Two things.

First of all, I'm beginning to create and categorize pages for quest authors. The tag for this is ((Category:Quest Authors)), with the parenthesis replaced with brackets. Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

Second, I'm creating a Running Quests category! This is for quests that're active, and have neither gone on hiatus nor died out from inactivity. There is no hard-and-fast rule for toggling from one category to the other; just use common sense. In particular, nothing on the graveyard board should be listed as a running quest unless it's specifically revived by the author.

Also, completed quests do not count as running quests, but I'm sure you know that.

There is also an 'On Hiatus' tag, but I would reserve those for quests where the author has /specifically/ stated the quest is on hiatus, rather than every little quest which simply hasn't updated since the dawn of time. The list should remain relatively small, thusly.

I've noticed that someone's begun classifying images! I didn't even know that was possible, and I think it's pretty cool. I've been doing a bit of that as well.

There's also, like, a zillion quest article stubs if anyone feels like doing a job that has very low wiki-fu requirements. Find article, click edit, type, save changes. Don't even worry about dividers and tags and stuff if you don't want to, someone else can pretty it up if there's content there.

Do the categories help any? I'm thinking of linking directly to them from a few different pages, because I find them pretty nifty, but I'm not sure how less-wiki-familiar people cope with them.

>>394
>classifying images
It's tons of fun, everyone should do it when they upload images.

>>394

http://pastebin.com/f2521b32

It is a list of every tgchan quest ever, and their respective statuses as far as I can tell.

It is probably not 100% accurate but hopefully will still prove useful.

I'm gonna go lie down now.

>>375
I browse with the bar. In the rare instance where I need an address, I am fully capable of opening a link in a new tab to get the URL.
The bar makes me feel safe.

CF 2009/11/01(Sun)05:25 No. 459 ID: eda57e
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I updated my quest and alpaca quest's pages.
For the former I used AfterQuest's as a template, it's a pretty good example of what a more developed page can look like, so I suggest using that if you're lazy :p

>>459
In particular, I'm fond of the little image + archive links table AQ has in the upper right. I stole the table's code for NicQuest's article as well, and later, I intend to pretty up other articles with little side-image-table things and such as well.

In a little while, I intend to put up some guidelines for de-stubbing quest pages, since quest pages are the meat of the wiki, as well as tgchan itself.

I guess I'll just mention right now that the most helpful contribution that requires minimal writing and wiki-fu would just be dang archive links. There's a lot of different quests, and some of them have several chapters. I've been seeing people putting up archive links on their own, and this makes me very, very happy. It means that one of the most important bits of info is there, and that we won't have to spend hours digging back when we decide to finally pretty up the articles.

It's also very useful. I find it much easier to type a name into the wiki and click an archive link than I find it to scroll back through howevermany pages of quest archives we have. Which is, I suppose, the entire point. Love you guys for contributing. <3

Hey this seems kind of relevant.

So I've noticed a bunch of people lamenting lately that TGchan has been slower than it used to be, say, a month ago. Certainly, some portion of this can be attributed to the unexpected downtimes (y'know, with peripheral users seeing an error and not coming back), but it still got me thinking about how I found this place to begin with.

And I remembered that the whole reason I wound up on TGchan is because while browsing TV Tropes I found the link to the Ruby Quest 1d4chan article, which led me to #rubyquest.

So I guess what I'm wondering is, does anyone think it would be worth it to write TV Tropes articles for (at least) the longer TGchan quests? Obviously these things would take a while, but if anybody else thinks it would be worth it I could at least start throwing up skeletal articles on there.

Also I have been neglecting the TGchan Wiki. :< I will get right on going through my HUEG LIST O' QUESTS as soon as I'm not being smothered by midterms, I promise.

So earlier today, I was asked on #tgchan what would best help the wiki right now.

Let me just repost the answer here, in case anyone else is interested. The answer is QUESTS. They're the meat of tgchan, and having fleshed-out quest articles would be a great boon.

In particular, archive links are very useful. I've noticed a few people stuffing archive links into articles, and the efforts are very much appreciated. The links are one of the most important bits of info in the wiki (it saves a lot of time archive spelunking, for one), and any archive link additions are greatly appreciated.

In the future, what I may begin doing is declaring an 'Article of the week' to focus our efforts on, in an attempt to stomp out stubs one by one.

Oh, and as a side note, Dylan's recently appointed me as a wiki admin; if anyone needs an image nuked, or if there's reason to believe a page should be protected, just let me know. We haven't had anything but light vandalism in the past, but...

>>563
So I should start up some heavy vandalism so you have something to do? Can do.

Begin: PAGE OF THE WEEK Adept!!MvMGOwL2H3 2009/11/09(Mon)00:31 No. 935 ID: f4963f
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Alright, wikifags. Earlier, I mentioned the possibility of a 'Page of the Week' type deal to flesh out the wiki. In particular our quest pages, the meat of the tgchan community, are fairly thin.

So this week, we are going to begin with The End. The End is probably one of the best-known quests on tgchan: It's the first one in the archives, it's got a kickin' robot butler and an eccentric astronomer who's trying to save the world, and it's spawned a great deal of fanart to boot.

Despite all this, The End's wiki page is looking rather anorexic. We should do something about this.

Here's the wiki link: http://www2.tgchan.org/wiki/The_End

>>935
Alright. Thanks to the awesome work of Ashs, we now have a Featured Article page on the front. Which, contrary to conventional featured article things, actually shows articles we're targeting for improvement, rather than 'this is an example of what an awesome article is'.

If we get big enough, I might consider adding an 'Article of the Month' or whatever to showcase particularly interesting pages.

I have gone ahead and added a basic layout to The End's page, to make the prospect of filling in details less intimidating to those with low wiki-fu. Those who are talented in wiki-fu are free to screw around with the formatting as they please, but those that don't know the first thing about categorizing or tables of contents can rest easy knowing that all they have to do is type around the little divider things.

Here's the link again:

http://www2.tgchan.org/wiki/The_End

Anonymous 2009/11/10(Tue)07:53 No. 969 ID: 7f4e82
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So...

The Ends setting is fairly detailed and Anti-Sex is set there too, should Caelum get its own article or should it just be part of The End page?

This might be a good idea for a few other quests....

>>969
Hmm. I think the best approach would be to have Caelum be its own article, and then to just describe it briefly for the The End article with a link to the full one.

We could also link to the Caelum article from ASQ's, then, and avoid being redundant. <3

This is a good idea, thank you for bringing it up.

>>971
Separate Setting and Quest articles, maybe?

I'd say put the Caelum stuff in The End. If it gets too large and unwieldy, THEN put it in its own article.

Do it like you're growing a tree, not building a house, where you have to lay out the foundations ahead of time and so forth.

>>975
Righto. We'll make this the plan for now.

Hey guys! Just wanted to say, the entry's looking great. Thanks to everyone who helped.

There's really only one major bit remaining, and that's the galleries at the bottom. In paticular, Official Art and Fanart.

There's a lot of Fanart for The End (particularly in the second and third threads).

http://www2.tgchan.org/wiki/Fanart_Thread

And the official art is easy to find in The End's own threads, as well as in the discussion thread. All of those are linked to from The End's article.

Really, all that remains is a few aesthetical gripes, but content-wise, it's all there, and that's mainly what we're looking for at this point. Thanks, guys. <3

Adept!!MvMGOwL2H3 2009/11/15(Sun)21:55 No. 1170 ID: f4963f
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Wow, The End is looking gread. Thanks for the contributions, guys. <3

This week, we're going to focus our efforts on Deep. Awesome quest, immersive, and as of the time I made it Page of the Week, had maybe one sentence in the wiki. I know we can do better than that.

http://www2.tgchan.org/wiki/Deep

Adept!!MvMGOwL2H3 2009/11/22(Sun)18:05 No. 1394 ID: f4963f
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It's beginning to occur to me that some of these articles will take more than a week to flesh out in full, and fa/tg/uy energy may wane based on the time of the year and what D&D supplements have come out recently.

As such, I'll be renaming the concept 'Project Page' or somesuch. Deep in particular is going to take longer than a week to do, as will future pages like Dive, Journey, and ... Mudy. Man, there's so much the Mudy article's going to need.

Anyway, in light of it being 4 hours til midnight here, and the Deep article (I keep typing Dive, damnit) being only about ~60% complete, I think I'm going to keep it up.

In the meantime, though, I'd be curious to hearing a vote as to what you guys would like the next project page to be.

>>1394
Well you just suggested Dive, Journey and Mudy in your post there. :V

All of them sound like good candidates, given that they're all very well-regarded and yet none of the three has a decent wiki article yet, but I have no idea which one ought to be written first.

Related to the Mudy Quest topic, I am trying to find the links to the chapters between ch 31 and act 2 part 2 for the archival links. Any one got the lost links?

As well, Romanticar 2 or parts of Romanticar Underground would need archival links as well, since my google-fu is too low.

>>1481
As I recall, Mudy Arc 2 Part 1 had a fake-out intro. It's one of the nine thousand indistinct ones with the protagonist waking up. I'd find it, but I honestly have to finish packing up for a family trip.

At the moment, the most useful thing for the Mudy article would be an archive link dump. Between that and upgrading the DiveQuest article, we should be good.

AlienQuest article would really profit from getting a little more than just links to the threads.

>>1482

I am updating Mudy quest little by little.

Also, does anyone have the links to Romanticar 2 or 3?

That is all that is lacking in the Romanticar pages.

Also, I would like to request, if possible, for the authors to update the wiki page with links.

>>1613
The archive link dump in the Mudy article is AWESOME. And makes it freaky to realize just how huge the quest was. Many thanks for that bit.

I should have some free time tomorrow. Perhaps I'll dig up some old Romanticar links then. <3

Lurked archives instead of finnishing Deep Anonymous 2009/11/29(Sun)21:59 No. 1618 ID: bec2a7
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Sorry already did all the Romanticar links too :3

As for possible next featured quests I'd suggest:
BiteQuest
Alien Quest
After Quest
Connection Lost
Dive Quest
Ant Quest (though I haven't really followed this)

Mudy Quest should defiantly wait until we're all more experienced at this and can make the article it deserves.
Id also suggest making Journey low priority as it has its own wiki, likewise for Joan as there's an article on 1d4chan.

Also are featured articles staying featured articles for as long as it takes?
If so by what measure is an article considered finished ?
Personally I think The End article could have done with a little more, or is the aim just to turn stubs into articles?

>>1618
The main goal is to turn stubs into articles. More could be done with The End, to be sure, but at the moment, The End is actually probably the second best article on the wiki.

The best, of course, is John's. http://www2.tgchan.org/wiki/John_%28Joandventure%29

Currently, the featured article / project page / whatever is going to stay the focus until it's sufficiently de-stubbed. Deep was a hard target, perhaps I should have chosen something easier.

You do make a good point about Journey. That being the case, we should probably throw a link to the Journey wiki up on Journey's page.

Right now, I'm aiming for long-running quests that don't seem likely to die, but that are under-reported on the wiki. Alien's sort of a zombie quest in that it almost died, then returned, but fits the bill nicely.

Mudy is important, but should probably wait until not-anywhere-near-finals-week time.

And I know Numbers wants his article's page fleshed out.

Based on this input, I'm thinking Alien and Dive should be our next two priorities. Dive will be trickier to update because there's 13ish threads to cover, and we'll have to design it in a way that doesn't make new updates too hard; it's one of the more frequently-updating quests.

Thank you for adding the Romanticar links. <3

In that case, I will direct tomorrow's energy towards improving the Deep article instead.

So yeah. Thank you guys. <3

>>1619
Assuming the link to a "Journey Quest Wiki" currently on our JQ page is accurate, the JQ wiki kind of consists of one page with three sentences and a picture on it at the moment.

Just sayin'.

My sincere thanks to whoever updated the wiki for Romanticar and Mudy.

Please clarify for me, but I thought one main point for the wiki is easy access to archived threads? Or a brief description of the quest for readers to be interested?

>>1639
Both of these, more or less. Archive Links are particularly important, they save a lot of time for people who want to read or reference past threads.

Hey, Mind if I add in Castaway Quest?

>>1662
By all means, please do. There's a few new quests that don't have wiki articles yet, creating pages for them is very helpful. :)

>>1664
alright Just a quick question how do I create a new page? I've never done that before I have edited plenty of articles just never had to create an entire page.

>>1665
Never mind I now have a page going! I'm not sure how well built it is though...>>''

I changed the Feature Article this week since Deep has had 3 weeks of it running. Adept, whenever you get around to IRC again, we ought to devise up an ordered list of articles so we can truly make the "Weekly" features Weekly.

How about randomizing the article so any one could appear? It requires less maintenance.

>>1719
The point of the Weekly Features (for the moment) is "this article should be better," as opposed to Wikipedia-style "this article is great."

In other news, I threw up a whole bunch of stub articles to cover hopefully all or at least most of the quests that have started or updated lately that didn't already have articles. They are quite minimal but do have archive links; feel free to make them longer if you find the time and drive.

And I still say Journey should be the next feature after Dive. I probably said it before, but it only has its own wiki in the most nominal sense (i.e. there is exactly one page with three sentences on it, plus an image).

And some more stubs~

Honestly I really probably ought to make these longer and more descriptive, but I'm having trouble finding focus right now. :/

Anonymous 2009/12/12(Sat)21:24 No. 1903 ID: ac8bac
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So during my archive lurking for various link dumps i also made a list of every archived quest without an article on the wiki...

Are there any prerequisites (length, quality etc.) before a quest gets an article, or is the plan to record every quest?

>>1903
Ideally, every quest should have a stub.

>>1903
Why is Rurouni on that list? It has an article.

http://www2.tgchan.org/wiki/Rurouni

The one-shot quests are kept in a separate category from the other quests:

http://www2.tgchan.org/wiki/Category:One-Shot_Quests

Otherwise, quest article stubs would be awesome.

Anything that's one-shot or graveyarded doesn't need to be marked as a stub; just categorize it as ((Dead Quest)) or ((One-Shot Quest)) appropriately.

Thanks, man. :>

>>1903
>>1912
>>1914

Ok I *think* thats it

Every archived quest *should* now have a stub somewhere in the wiki with the following four exceptions:

These 3 because they need title confirmation

Guy with shades
http://tgchan.org/kusaba/questarch/res/62332.html

Sliouette girl with hatch
http://tgchan.org/kusaba/questarch/res/65742.html

Somekind of blob
http://tgchan.org/kusaba/questarch/res/67974.html


and...

Displacement
http://tgchan.org/kusaba/questarch/res/71690.html

...because I know it relates to one of Trips other quests but i don't know which

I'll try and do the same for the graveyard at some point...

(Apologies if ive fucked up anything, my wiki-fu is very bad)

The Alien Quest Wiki page has been untouched for a long time. I think it's time to move on to a different quest.

I suggest:
http://www2.tgchan.org/wiki/Hat_Quest

Actually, I was thinking... since JourneyQuest ended recently, it might make a good target article.

Yeah, I think that Journey Quest deserves to be the article of the week.

AlienQuest entry is solid gold right now. Except for adding images it looks pretty nice.

I vote for Journey to be the next upgraded entry.

Can I just confirm that I need an acount to upload images to the wiki?

>>2114

Yeah you do

Is sul's ass really what we want hesitant new readers to see first? It's been on the front page for quite some time.

>>2125
It's a test of endurance - if they can read past Sul's ass, they're worthy of reading all the murrier, purrier adventures that circulate our beloved quest board.

>>2125
Yes.

I'm trying to update the featured article and will attempt to remember it every week, but I can't upload any files. Anything I try ends in an error:

Internal error
Could not rename file "/tmp/phpOIByWF" to "public/3/3d/MyFile.png".

The objects in quotes change every time I try to upload, so I've no idea what the problem is. Other attempts yielded the following.

Could not rename file "/tmp/phplrpRBN" to "public/e/eb/AnotherTry.jpg"

Could not rename file "/tmp/phpvnfJtG" to "public/1/1c/Filename.jpg".

Help?

>>2129
you're doing it wrong probably...
are you just uploading the object, and attempting to put it in under another name?

Speaking of, what should be the featured after Journey Quest? We really should make a proper listing of what needs improvement.

>>2135
It was the same image every time, but I changed it to png after jpg failed twice. Once that failed, I stopped.

>>2222
There should be a list of what was already a featured article.

As far as I remember (no particular order):

- Deep
- The End
- Alien Quest
- Bite Quest (?)
- Journey
- Dive Quest

But, if I may add, Journey Quest page is still a bit... empty? It's definitly worth to work on it a bit more.

Also, suggesting Kara Quest.

>>2223

Hmm, I don't think Bitequest has been featured yet.

And going to quote Typo here coz I'm lazy

>The point of the Weekly Features (for the moment) is "this article should be better," as opposed to Wikipedia-style "this article is great."

And there are a lot of quests that need more work on their articles than Kara Quest, which only needs a proper gallery.

I added a chapter summary to Knight Blades. I hope it is satisfactory.

Thanks to Dylan, all thread links to /quest/ (e.g. http://tgchan.org/kusaba/quest/res/42587.html) will now automatically redirect to either /questarch/ or /graveyard/ if necessary. While I'm sure this will be useful for when threads get moved, I'm not sure if we should try and keep links consistent to the actual location, or have them be to /quest/ across the board.

okay, since im bored as shit and i really have nothing else to do, ill do work on the wiki for whatever people ask me to do. Anyways, im usually on IRC (both #rubyquest and #tgchan) so if you need something done, just hit me up.

Threw up another pile of stubs.

Wish I wasn't the only one doing this.

HEY LEV GUY IF YOU READ THIS

Seriously, nice work on all of that stuff that you did. 'spretty cool and whatnot.

Lev 2010/02/08(Mon)04:26 No. 2919 ID: e921b3
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>>2916
YOU REALLY LIKE YOUR TEMPLATE DO YOU :D


Eh, not sure where else to ask this:
The categories are a bit obscure to me. Could somebody give more info on what belongs where?

Four things I want to ask specifically:

1. The inital purpose of the rule to not add One-Shots to the [Category:Quests] seems to be that One-Shots would cluster up the [Category:Quests]. But atm there are 200+ entries in [Category:Quests] and ~20 in [Category:One-Shot Quests]. Would it really be that bad to add One-Shots to [Category:Quests] ?

2. Does a One-Shot Quest with images belong into [Category:Image Quests] ?

3. Are One-Shots unique enough to warrant their category?

4. Does an Image Quest also belong to [Category:Quest] or only to [Category:Image Quest} ?

(pic semi-related)

The thing is, some few quests seem to be incorrectly categorised, but before anybody tries to correct stuff, it would nice to know more about the system.

>>2919
From my understanding, the reason One-Shots have their own category is so readers who want to read something shorter and quicker have those options.

I don't think they need to be separate from the comprehensive list of quests, however.

>>3051
This was the original reasoning, yes. However, you're right - one-shots wouldn't really cluster up the main quest list as much as I thought, since there's so many damn quests to begin with. I'd be cool with adding them to the main Quests category.

Lev, you are a goddamn champion. I would like to say that you have edited the fuck out of the wiki. I only wish you would update more ;_;

>>3250
I'm mostly adding stubs and doing framework. What the articles really need would be some fleshing out.

Incidentally, let me mention that the new featured article is MUDYQUEST (yes, that one. Get writin' stuff!).

>>3262
Did you take over the wiki in a coup when nobody was looking or something?

Lev 2010/02/25(Thu)14:14 No. 3279 ID: fc8259
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>>3276
Un coup? Moi!? Mais non!

Well, the wiki is a collaborative effort and I can't help but think that the image that is created here tends to be somewhat onesided...

So, back to topic n' stuff.

>>3262
GOSH you're such a slave driver! D:<

Just kidding. I'm peckin' away at it.

Alright so hey guys.

I dunno where Lev or Adept are at but with neither of them especially active on the wiki as of late it could sure use some help.

I've been trying to make a habit of throwing up barebones articles that have a (laughable) description of the quest plus some relevant threadlinks; I might try fleshing out some of these later, but the point is this thing really needs more than a couple of people working on it to really be a good resource. :O

So, uh, I guess what I'm saying is, let's get some wiki done!

>>4083
http://tgchan.org/wiki/Typo/Minimum_Standard_Template

On a related note, this might prove useful ???

!TEEDashxDA 2010/05/09(Sun)22:36 No. 4099 ID: e973f4
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OKAY GUYS

SO I JUST WIKIFIED ALL OF /questarch/, /quest/... AND /graveyard/

COULD YOU GUYS DO SOME WORK NOW I'M BURNED OUT I THINK

>>4099
You are a god among disembodied voices.

>>4099

Holy crap.

>>4099
Truly awesome, man! Our wikifags don't get the love and attention they deserve.

HEY.

Can someone please change the Featured Article? The Nanquest article got plenty of lovin', and it looks great. So, switch it to something else.

>>5080
Pick something and I will make it happen!

How about Gobbo Quest? It's looking pretty stubby.

I request someone make a list of previously featured quests.

>>5095
- Deep
- The End
- Alien Quest
- Journey Quest
- Dive Quest
- Nan Quest
- Mudy Quest

As far as I remember and not in chronological order. Completeness of this list is not guaranteed.

>>5097
That sounds about right.

Don't forget to gather up all the fanart.

We need all the stray pieces.

I've started to add some more completed quests to the Completed /tg/ Quests section and a couple running quests to the running /tg/ quests section. I'll try to work on creating the dead /tg/ quest index and adding to it later, but that's going to be a huge section. Honestly the state of those sections is terrible it seems like no one here has been to /tg/ in ages. It still had Bad Guy Quest as active, that one stopped six months ago.

>>5185
More power to you. I considered doing this at one point but the threads seem to have been archived rather incoherently. :V

Disable anonymous editing. The spam has to go.

>>5641
spam?

>>5649
Some bots constantly try to add random garbage or links filled with internet-aids.

>>5641
I'm starting to think this is a good idea.

>>5641
I agree. I mean, IPs are recorded so there's no need for anonymity.

>>5661
I don't understand what you were trying to say. While I have no influence over the wiki, and thus my understanding is irrelevant, your post may well seem meaningless to others as well.

Alright, anonymous editing is now disabled.

Since it's not like it's difficult to get an account or anything.

HI MY NAME IS QUEST.LV/WIKI

AND I NEED LOVE ;_;

>>7538
But I love you, Wiki! I just don't have enough content to update you with. :c

Dyyyyylllllannnnn...any chance you'll get around to installing the ParserFunctions extension any time soon?

Shiny infobox templates await! Rather than a broken and confused pile of markup slumming about under my userpage namespace.

Added stubs for: Sammy's Adventure, It is the Far Flung Future of 1999.

Updated BiteQuest's author template to include Sammy's Adventure, added template to Karen's Heart page.

Updated Gnome's author template.

Created redirects for HTRAP -> How To Raise A Princess and EDF -> Earth Defense Force.

There is not Template:Lucid on the Journey Quest node, nor does Template:Lucid exist to point to his other quest. This is, clearly, a travesty.

...someone whose brain is working better than mine at the moment can fix that, though.

Lucid template now exists and has been applied to the following pages: Journey Quest, Riarda Legends, Shed a Tear, Lucid.

Those are all the Lucid quests I'm aware of...

Next up on the template hit-list: Gnoll. Gnoll! What are your quests?

>>7683
Edit: Gnoll template exists, just not on Gnoll's author page. For... some reason.

This has also been rectified.

Right, I've been doing a lot of work to The Icon, as it's a pretty info-heavy quest that benefits greatly from having a reference available. In general I'm ordering the article by discovery order/degree of spoilerness so that you can read it alongside the archived threads (that's why the reference gallery's near the top). It still needs more info, but at least we can tie down some of the names being thrown about:
http://quest.lv/wiki/The_Icon

In particular, I've created a couple of general-purpose templates for it:
http://quest.lv/wiki/Template:Todo
http://quest.lv/wiki/Template:Citeq

I'm also proposing turning the big image reference, which is already out of date, into wikimarkup---see over here: >>/questdis/332920 . That'd involve a whole load of image uploads which would benefit from a common prefix or something to keep them neat. (Proper Mediawiki namespaces need to be set up by the server admin and I'm not even sure if you can have multiple image ones.)

So I had an idea. After discovering it didn't have a wiki article or a listing in Beakie's template, I went ahead and added a page for Frisbee Quest.

http://www.tgchan.org/wiki/Frisbee_Quest

But what would be really cool would be if we could find a way to emulate the textless, picture-only format of the quest for its article - this would entail finding a way to link to the archives that doesn't involve words. I thought I'd throw the idea out here and see if anyone has ideas. We could always write something up, but I think we could make it pretty stylish.

I dunno. What do you guys think?

>>7781
Is it possible to have images that hotlink to somewhere else? My only other idea would be some ascii art that piped to the archive.

>>7788
That's my main question. An image-link would be great. ASCII wouldn't be a bad fallback, though. Hadn't even considered that.

>>7788
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images#Link_to_another_page

Careful with that, though; it's pretty annoying when you want to get to the actual page for the image.

http://tgchan.org/wiki/NanQuest

I've added people's entry dates to the article via a little template since they seem significant and are the kind of mostly-static reference data wikis are good for. It still needs pictures uploaded for a summary bios for some of them. The part summaries could do with an agressive edit, too, to summarise the key events rather than just list "Nan did this, Nan did that".

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Ah, another undernourished wiki for a genuinely good project. There's always work to do.

Just voicing my thoughts, feel free to disagree.

1. Standardizationise. Having awesome featured articles displayed on the front page is good, but enforcing them as standard is one of the staples of a consistent database.
And with all due respect to Typo, http://tgchan.org/wiki/Typo/Minimum_Standard_Template doesn't exactly cut it.

2. Pic related. Seeing this kind of notes on the editing page has saved me a lot of effort (and trouble) in the past. I figure that these parts can only be modified by an admin. For now I see only a link to article standards/guidelines as necessary there.

3. Suggestions. We could use some sort of discussion page, where ideas can be bounced around until they're actually implemented. And by "cound use" I mean "I've already got something to put there".
The same ideas could very well be discussed right here, but imageboards don't understand wiki-code so to illustrate your suggestions you'd have to post an image/screenshot OR link to the wiki. Why not just hold the discussion right there?

4. To-do lists. More often than not they're contained on user pages, but having a single list on who's planning to do what is much more useful IMO. This list could be stored in Community Portal, or replace the super-funny image in Current Events.

5. Accessibility.
5a. "Alright, let's create a page. Ah, what was the character to put before REDIRECT? Hey, there's an Editing Help link here, I'll click it to find out." And end up looking at three lines of text. That is not how you ask questions, Ruby. The "sexy wiki links" from the main page should be there, and basically anything regarding wiki mark-up.
5b. Take a look at the bottom right section here: http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/index.php/Main_Page , the "Editors" one. That's helpful. I mean, not all of it is relevant to this wiki, sure, but it shows everything that it should. The "Helping out" section on our wiki already looks a great deal like this, it just needs a bit of tidying up.

6. And for God's sake, please put a link to the wiki from /questdis/. Possibly other boards too.

Inb4 "anyone can hurt a contributor", "why don’t you go and do it yourself", etc. I will, as soon as time constraints allow me.

Oh yeah, I'm http://tgchan.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ArsonCat , in case anyone wonders.

P.S. Reposting due to broken links.

>>8665
1) I'm trying to get a proper semi-semantic infobox up but I'm waiting on Dylan for the ParserFunctions extension so I can do optional arguments.
2) Based on my research (yes, actual research), once you hit big, overemphasised notes like that, people stop reading.
5) Documenting Mediawiki is what Mediawiki's site is for.
6) There *is* one on /quest/, right under the title!

>>8669
> 1) I'm trying to get a proper semi-semantic infobox up but I'm waiting on Dylan for the ParserFunctions extension so I can do optional arguments.
Cool. Any ETA on that? As in, weeks, months, "when I have the time"?

> 2) Based on my research (yes, actual research), once you hit big, overemphasised notes like that, people stop reading.
Then if I were in your sample, I'd fall on the very margin of it. Besides, it doesn't have to be that bloated, as I've said.

> 5) Documenting Mediawiki is what Mediawiki's site is for.
But wouldn't it simply be nice to have a handy link to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents nearby?

> 6) There *is* one on /quest/, right under the title!
Yeah, hence why I said /questdis/, not /quest/. I'm one of those non-frame weirdos, so to get to the wiki from a /questdis/ thread I have to go to the top of the page, click /quest/ and then the wiki link.
It's not that big of a deal, just gets annoying after a while.

>>8670
>Any ETA on that?
Like I said, it can't be reasonably done without an extension---any useful infobox has to have optional arguments to support the many quests which have nontrivial thread organisation or naming, and even to allow a variable number of threads in the first place! :/

Help:Contents on our wiki should probably just point to Mediawiki's editing docs, yeah.

Perhaps a wiki link should be up with [WT] [Home] [Manage], or on the left with [questarch].

>>8665
>And with all due respect to Typo, http://tgchan.org/wiki/Typo/Minimum_Standard_Template doesn't exactly cut it.
Hey, look, I was just trying to make thread links available to people, since there was some insistence that if nothing else wiki articles should have that at least (and really there never seem to be more than two people actively working on the wiki at any given time).

(But eventually I got way behind and the wiki is now kind of out of date as a whole. At least I went through the graveyard.)

>>8671
No, I mean, ETA on Dylan bringing ParserFunctions aboard.
Yeah, conditionals are a bitch :<

> Perhaps a wiki link should be up with [WT] [Home] [Manage], or on the left with [questarch].
Either woubd be perfectly enough.

>>8673
Don't get me wrong. With current level of activity, I'm thankful someone put the effort. I'm just saying there are many ways in which it can be improved.

> (and really there never seem to be more than two people actively working on the wiki at any given time)
Most wikies I've ended up joining so far are in that state. I wasn't even expecting any replies today.

I've been looking over the categories ( http://quest.lv/w/index.php?title=Special:Categories&limit=100 ) and here's what I think.

1. The following is about quest categorization only. Not authors, not features, not continuities - quests only.

Tree structure (akin to >>2919) won't fit without considerable duplication. I was trying to draw them as overlapping sets, and while doing this I realized it can be done even more simple: in groups of mutually exclusive tags.
Any quest can have only one "quality" from each of these groups:

* image OR text
* one-shot OR series
* running OR on hiatus OR completed OR dead
* quest (all quests have this for navigational purposes)

This means that, as I see it, any quest entry should have at least four tags which describe what it is and point to similar quests.
Also, some optional categories are needed when something is, for a lack of a better term, "out of the norm":

* quest was run on /tg/
* article is a stub
* author is unknown OR anonymous OR is more than one person

Therefore, a page containing a short note about some anonymous text quest running on /tg/ could have seven tags, which is about as much as it is reasonable for a single page to have.

2. On to other stuff. Author categories (I noticed three, for Capt slowpoke, Gnome and SDF). I don't quite understand what they are for, since every author, in indeterminate future, will have a template with all their quests.

3. A category for a single quest. Sorry guys, but I'm just gonna outright question that. Grouping art/fanart and all that jazz is cool, but do you really think it warrants having 400+ categories, when all that art/fanart could be shown on a quest page, in the gallery.
The only way you're supposed to find a picture is by going on a quest's page. And if you're there, all other images pertaining to that quest are already there, and no category is necessary to find more of them.

There was also a thing about races, but I have stuff tomorrow for which I need at least 7 hours of sleep. I'll continue my good-natured nitpicking later.

>>8725
This is a very nice post. I'll see if I can address some of the category points, as I originally had a hand in setting them up.

1)
Four standardized categories, three of which are binary - I like this a lot.

Stub category should be tied to the {{Stub}} template, to prevent one existing without the other.

Optional /tg/ and a binary collab-anonymous tags are great as well.

2) Author Categories
The reason for these is twofold. The first is that the category system was set up before we had author templates, which are a vastly superior system of linking an author's works together.
The second was that I wanted to be able to tie together all the images and fanart made by a single producer in a way that tgchan's archives and quest pages couldn't. The problem with this is that it requires a lot more overhead and isn't very friendly to people who want to just casually upload an image and add it to a quest's page. In light of subsequent developments, I don't believe this is the best use of our time.

Quest categories:
I agree with your assessment completely. This would be the purpose of the fanart galleries. I believe the initial intent was to make it easier to search for all media related to Quest X, including crossover stuff (such as halloween dressup games, etc), but again, I don't think this is the best use of our resources.

I'm just glad that someone who seems to know what they're doing has finally stepped in. My wiki skills are moderate at best, and I think it shows with some of the infrastructure decisions.

>>8725
In an ideal world, we'd be using Semantic Mediawiki (well in an ideal world my PhD project would be more than a nice prototype :V ), and a lot of this would fall out naturally from just annotating things as what they are, like being able to cross-query orthogonal categories, and form proper taxonomies of sub-catagories.

But it's kind of a development thing and god knows how much would explode if Dylan just switched across to it, let alone the risk of giving him more maintenance burden.

>>8727
Oh, thass me. For some reason my laptop joined the wrong network.

I'm glad to see my suggestions receive some support. People can sometimes be horribly protective of their work and it's good that is not the case here.

>>8727
There's always something better. Code-heavy long-term projects like "transclude everything everywhere", "write a script to search stuff and update pages automatically" or "get a neat semantics MW upgrade and write a bunch of functions to make life easier" are very good on their own, but the tendency is that without enough manpower they are never finished and the idea is eventually abandoned. At the same time a more blunt, low-tech solution is often brushed off in favor of a more "advanced" way to organize stuff.
I'm not saying everything should be done in a two-year-old wiki engine version with headers and pipetables only. I'm saying that it'd make more sense, with our current userbase, to rely on resources available now rather than something that might or might not be installed sometime in the future.
That's merely a single opinion, of course.

4. Races. Currently, this is what deals with races of quest.lv:

Categories:
Doobies!
Orcs!
Sergals!
Races (includes 15 race articles)

Articles:
Races (a page covering 11 widely featured ones)
66 pages dedicated to a single race each (15 of which belong to Cat: Races), interlinked with a template; many are stubs

Templates
Races (a neat box-o-links to pages)

Evidently, several people were constructing this and there's a bit of overlapping. Now, there are different ways to approach this:

1). Single race articles + Template
Kind of how it's organized now. Every species has a page with its description, quests featuring it and a list of other races at the bottom. Requires more maintenance and de-stubbing, and can potentially inflate as authors come up with more and more species. As an added bonus, shows what races are the most popular/famous.
2). Single race articles + Category:Races
Functionally equivalent to 1), but with a category page instead of a box. Has the same dangers. Choosing either 1) or 2) will make the other redundant.
3). One article to rule them all
A huge list with all the info about all kinds of creatures of /quest/. It's easier to find, edit and update, but will have to stay light on the pictures to avoid becoming enormously long and painful to load. It's likely it will at some point anyway.
4). Single race category + Category: Races
Basically, Cat:Races will have 60+ subcategories for each species. A race category will describe the species and link to quests that feature characters of that species, the way Cat: Sergals! does now. This is probably the most "wiki" way to go, but the big downside is that the number of categories associated with a given quest can spiral out of control.

I think it's pretty much established that species info should not be stored on a quest page. In all options above, I assumed a quest page will have links to corresponding articles.

You know what, I'll make a little illustration now, this wall of text isn't seem awfully clear.

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>>8752
Here it is.

>>8753
#2 is the most semantically-correct, since category membership in [Semantic] MediaWiki roughly expresses an is-a relationship. If people really wanted to do things like "list all the quests with Lohrkes in", it'd be better to just use SMW than to mangle the category system like #4 and say "Journey Quest is-a Lohrke is-a Race".

(Also, races are first-class entities, so deserve proper identity [i.e. pages], not mere fragment IDs.)

>>8752
Also it's worth pointing out, if you didn't know, that Semantic Mediawiki is an actual thing, not a hypothetical:
http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Introduction_to_Semantic_MediaWiki#Who_is_using_Semantic_MediaWiki.3F
http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Installation
I really need to catch up on what they've been up to recently.

>>8752
Alright, some thoughts here:

I have a few problems with the template proposal. The template format of races - as it currently stands - shows a list of races from a variety of settings without any sort of context, categorization, or organization. Nautil, Nedynvor and Nevrean are right next to each other, but all appear in completely different quests. How do I know that Lohrke and Engsami exist in the same setting, but not Nevreans? Similar problems appear with just a bighuge list in a single article.

Rather than alphabetically, it seems to be that the most intuitive way to group races is by setting and origin. If I'm looking for information about the Journey setting, I'm not interested in Gobbos, but a 'Races of Layridin' template would be invaluable.

I have two proposals that I think would address the need for a centralized 'Races' hub while providing context and organization to wiki-users searching for information:

1) One Template with Subcategories
Some quest authors already have a format like this for their series, one-shots, etc, and it seems to work pretty well. Divide up the races by setting of origin rather than simply spitting them out in alphabetical order; that way, if I'm looking for information about the Layridin setting, I can look at the bottom of the Lohrke page and see Engsami, Nedynor, and Shocker Crab all under the header of 'Journey Quest'. Convenient!

This proposal unfortunately presents problems for crossover settings or settings that borrow from other quests - Cutebold Slaughter Fest is a prime example. I just gave Lohrke as an example of a Layridin race, but they also exist in CSF alongside Sergals, who would be listed under the Vilous setting, and Cutebolds, whose origins lie in the depths of /tg/. We would either have to accept the possibility of repeat entries in the template (and the possibility of rapid template inflation) or accept that we have to leave some quests hanging.

2) Multiple, setting-specific templates; one Races category

We would create a single [Races] category for all races, for the handful of individuals who are not looking for setting-specific information, but are just genuinely curious about what sort of critters are in the /quest/ world. This would be the full extent that an attempt to centralize races would go - all other effort in races would go into localized spheres of influence. We would create, for example, a 'Races of Cutebold Slaughter Fest' template that could be found on the CSF page linking to the species, a 'Races of Layridin' template to hook together critters from that continuity, etc.

The problem with this proposal is the possibility for a bloated number of templates on the species pages themselves - do we need a template for every quest that randomly has another NORTHERN SERGAL! reference? Do we need 15 different templates on the Cutebold page?

In any event, I disagree with the idea of smashing all the races down onto a single page. I would consider it horrible to lose an article like the Lohrke article ( http://www.tgchan.org/wiki/Lohrke ) because it had to be trimmed down to fit a one-paragraph blurb on a massive wall of text.

I think I am going to tentatively suggest proposal number two - just one single category tag for all races, with the actual organization taking place in localized templates for related species.

Whatever proposal is taken, I suggest we limit any sub-organization to very race-intensive settings, rather than using templates as a sort of list of every setting that race has ever appeared in.

I propose each significant race have its own article, but perhaps settings that don't have bountiful information about their races could be crunched down into a 'Races of X' article. The Lohrke article I mentioned earlier is a great example of a single-page race article, but we might want to do something like a single page for the races of The Icon.

Wow, that was a mouthful. TL;DR: blah blah blah related races go together blah blah blah templates for each setting blah blah blah pages for individual races.

>>8755
Well, that's kind of awesome. Although I'd probably have to re-learn most of what I know about wiki to make the best use of new semantic tricks.

So, #3 and #4 are pretty much out.

>>8768
>The template format of races - as it currently stands - shows a list of races from a variety of settings without any sort of context, categorization, or organization.
Yeah, that caught my attention too. Lumping them all alphabetically doesn't make much sense apart from having an index of races. I was thinking of something along the lines of "aerial-aquatic-terrestrial", but setting-based grouping is definitely preferable to that.

The drawbacks you mentioned in both suggestions are valid concerns indeed. So much, in fact, that I'm still on the fence after quite a bit of pondering.

Usually this is the time to ask the viewerbase. What do they want to have on a race page? What do they want it to do?
But it looks like in our case "they" almost equals "we", so I'll try to formulate that:
- A race page should provide info. Backstory, physical description, society, traditions, cuisine - anything goes.
- A race page should tell about quests featuring that race.
- A race page should direct to related races. This one's horribly vague, and will probably have to be sacrificed to an extent.

The first two are nailed down more or less. The third... I don't know. I was going to propose refining the current template and putting races that appear in more than one continuity as "Mixed" (as opposed to "Layridin", for example), but Adept is right. Authors keep borrowing from richer settings. We can expect more and more cameos, and eventually every race will end up in "Mixed".

Another thing we could do is come up with an arbitrary "depth" criterion. If the setting has enough detail to it, like Layridin or Vilous, we link to the setting article under "See Also" on a race page. If it's only a couple of homebrew races, well, tough luck. I don't like that option too much.

Again, sketches coming soon.

Ah, it's been a while since I had a calm, reasoned, civilized discussion like this~

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This is slightly modified #2

Couple more notes:
- a "races in this quest" template is a big no-no. All the races that take part in a given quest are already listed as characters
- a "quests that feature this race" template is redundant, since we put this under "Appears in"
- a "other races of the same setting" is impossible to pull off for reasons stated by Adept

I can't think of anything else that belongs to a race page.

>>8786
As somebody who is supposedly of some importance in regard to all of this wiki nonsense, it looks good to me.

>>8786
Alright, so far so good. My question is, then...

-How much need is there for setting articles?
-If we make setting articles, should we coalesce them with continuity articles somehow? (DiveVerse, Rastin-Vresch Continuity, TQ's universe, Layridin...)

I guess what I'm going to say is that I find the idea of a monsters template too silly. The way it's set up now, it's of little use, and contextualized race lists will become large. I suggest a single tag for all race articles ((Category:Races)) to create a race hub, and then setting articles for major settings, which can serve as small hubs for quests and races that relate to one another.

So I guess I'm saying, let's go with the proposed layout there. Although part of me loves templates to death, this is one scenario where the number of continuities create problems.

>>8786
I'll look at this properly when I don't have a head full of fog.

Really I don't much like explicitly stating inverse relations because they should fall out naturally from specifying them in just the one.

>Really I don't much like explicitly stating inverse relations because they should fall out naturally from specifying them in just the one.
Care to elaborate?

>>8835
If I state
Penji is-a Tozol
then because they are inverse properties, it follows that
Tozol has-instance Penji
and I really shouldn't have to put what is fundamentally the same fact in two places.

Now, I don't know of a single Semantic wiki that does reasoning like this (because although that's simple, in general it's hideously complicated and expensive), but at least allowing bidirectional navigation across a relation is pretty easy. In SMW you can at least throw in a query so that the page for a race automatically lists every character using the fact that those characters were marked up as being of that race (although you may need to make those characters first-class, i.e., give them pages).

...this is all getting way too academic. Sorry. Let me throw up a temporary wikia or something and prototype.

>>8846
But the "Appears in" is more than just stating inverse relations.

In this example, if Penji "is-a" Tozol, I would have the Tozol page state:
Appears in:
*TozolQuest
*VenjiQuest

In a semantic MW, sure, that's unnecesary. Add a query mark-up to the article and let it show you all the Tozols found in /quest/ (if that's how it works).

But in a non-semantic wiki the only way to show all "has-instance" relations is to make Tozol a category. But we already decided to make them articles, not categories. In an article, you have to put a link to these quests, otherwise you might not even know Venji exists.

Also, I fooled around with "random page" for some time and put down some questions to bring up. Giving each character a page is one of them.

>Let me throw up a temporary wikia or something and prototype.
Please do.

>>8795
>-How much need is there for setting articles?
Low-priority at most, I'd say. They're nice to have but only if there's a spare editor to take on it.
>-If we make setting articles, should we coalesce them with continuity articles somehow?
Yeah, we should I guess. I mean, they're almost the same thing. If you can think of a setting that has more than one continuity on /quest/ (or vice versa, if that makes any sense at all), then it might pose a problem.

>>8850
Semantics says each character is a first-class entity (you want to make statements about them, like Penji is a Tozol, and Penji is in Tozol Quest), and wikis say that first-class entities are pages.

Unfortunately that's kind of awkward for Mediawiki because you want Penji to really be a section in Tozol Quest. You can transclude it in using the templating system, but then it's a pain to edit. (My system solves this, but academic again.)

Once the Wikia people get back to me on turning on the SMW extension we will see what looks workable. At the moment it has the default set of just a few tens of them(!) http://thatquestsitetemp.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Version

>>8852
Semantic Mediaiwiki is now enabled, along with Semantic Forms and Semantic Drilldown. I'll try prototyping something later.

>>8943
Right. I've thrown some very basic things together. This is not necessarily optimal but shows why Semantic Mediawiki might be useful. (I'm afraid Wikia is a horrible mess so please just ignore all the ads and be sure to turn off all the JavaScript rich text smarts if you go to edit anything as they don't understand the new markup. :/ )

We have Tozol_Quest:
http://thatquestsitetemp.wikia.com/wiki/Tozol_Quest
Which declares some attributes like who runs it. Penji has identity as a page, which declares that she's a Tozol (which itself is a Race: categories do is-a relations) and appears in that quest (the protagonist relation in Tozol Quest is redundant and ideally just an implied inverse).

The clever bit is that if you look at Tozolverse, the wiki can automatically fill in the quests and races that apply to it by quering the information they declare: Tozol Quest has a setting of Tozolverse, so it gets listed. Likewise Tozol exists-in Tozolverse.

I've done similar things with TestPattern, who gets an automatic list of the quests he's an author of, and Active quests, which can pick out the quests listed on their own pages as being active without them needing to be in an awkward category heirarchy. (You generally need fewer special little categories in SMW because you can do things like this.)

If you want to try stuff out, the docs are here:
http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Editing
Remember to turn off as many horrid Wikia editing features as you can. Categories still seem to vanish into a little bar below the editing area though.

>>9150
Thanks LP.
So, let's see:

Pro: the {{#ask:}} query stuff is really really nifty, I'll give it that.
Pro: being able to straightforwardly define (custom?) relations , e.g. "is-a", "exists-in", "protagonist-of" instead of conforming to wiki terms (category = is-a) makes for a more intuitive and effective organization.

Con: ads ;_; I have not yet figured out how to make my adblocker eat them properly. They load when I reach the bottom and send me to the top once they're loaded. Very annoying.
Con: we have to rebuild the whole wiki. Jesus.

Although I lean more towards the conservative side, I have no qualms with recreating the wiki on SMW. Thing is, I'm afraid we hardly have the manpower to both start working on the SMW version and keep updating quest.lv/wiki

So I ask you, /wiki/. Shall we run a voting for OldMediaWiki vs NewSemanticsGod or keep doing both at half speed?

>>9176
The ads (and rebuilding) are not a Semantic Mediawiki thing, they are a Wikia thing. I am under no circumstances suggesting that we move to Wikia, because it's horrible. Even if Dylan never has time ever again to do a thing to the software on ours, let alone install the SMW extension on it.

There's a reason I put "temp" in the name for it.

>>9180
Incidentally, if you go to http://thatquestsitetemp.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences when logged in, you should be able to change your skin to Monobook and at least find things again, like the left-hand toolboxes. Wikia seem to have broken the ability for me to change this default for everyone. This may or may not also disable some of the hateful and broken "helpful" JavaScript and ads.

>>9180
Incidentally, if you go to http://thatquestsitetemp.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences when logged in, you should be able to change your skin to Monobook and at least find things again, like the left-hand toolboxes. Wikia seem to have broken the ability for me to change this default for everyone. This may or may not also disable some of the hateful and broken "helpful" JavaScript and ads.

Well, judging by the enormous amounts of feedback we got in the last several days, it's safe to say noone gives a shit SMW is a more desirable, but not yet reachable option.

Meanwhile, I hope you guys will be okay with me straightening up category tags as per >>8725 when I have some spare time.
Which leads me to another thing. There should be an agreement on what exactly "on hiatus" or "dead" stands for. My proposal:
"On Hiatus": one month since last author update or when the author explicitly says the quest is on hold.
"Dead": six months since last author update or when the author explicitly states the quest has been abandoned.

I think half a year is enough for anyone to make up their mind whether they want to pick up their child or not.

>>9363
I'm not sure that distinction is meaningful, especially if only defined by an arbitrary cut-off time.

tgchan wiki more like bgchan wiki
seriously bg has been a busy little whatever-bg-is

>>9523
Bg apparently doesn't know how to preview, or even mark as minor edit.

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> http://quest.lv/wiki/User:LionsPhil/InfoboxProto

>>9525
._.

>>9850
:D

I'll roll it out as soon as I can get an admin to delete the existing, blank Template:Infobox someone tried to create, since that's in the way of a move-deploy. Supposed moving that out of the way should have let me then trample the resultant single-redirect, but Mediawiki doesn't want to play ball.

And we're live:

http://tgchan.org/wiki/Template:Infobox

I see ArsonCat is busy replacing uses of {{TavStub}} with stub. I'm fine with unifying that slightly odd distinction, but should we move the amputated Lohrke to replace the current stub image, since they make the same joke but the Tav version is more topical?

(Edit comments)
>forgot that image comments don't work in templates :(
Well, I (probably) could make them work, but I'm not sure if image captions would really work that great in infoboxes. (If nothing else it'll end up with every quest having a forced witty one---and then what will we complete the "something something" line with?!?!)

>threads are partially on suptg! what do I do, Phil?! ;_;
Eeeeeechhh, I noticed that with TeQ, too and it's damn LiveJournal links. Maybe I'll complicate the already horrendously complex template some more by allowing arbitrary thread URIs later. :|

Bleh. If they're not native to tgchan, why are they even on our wiki? :V

>>9866
Because this is the only quest wiki.

>>9865
Heh. There are three stub templates: TavStub, JohnStub and Stub.

Stub's Alice's leg, but it's not really identifiable as such. I added the Tav one, and then... I added the John-Ear one just to troll John, prettymuch.

>>9885
>>9865
Yeah. Make the Tav image the one for the normal stub. It's more identifiable as what it is.

>>9866
> Well, I (probably) could make them work, but I'm not sure if image captions would really work that great in infoboxes.
Nah, don't sweat it.

>>9885
I'm all for trolling fellow authors, but I'd rather not dupe templates for that.
And the {{Stub}} image, yeah... if you didn't tell me it's Alice's leg, I'd never figure that out. The Tav one's more legible, so to say.

There are also {{Nolink}} and {{Noauthor}}, which can be found here ( http://quest.lv/wiki/Category:Articles_without_links ) and here ( http://quest.lv/wiki/Category:Articles_without_quest_authors_credited ) respectively, and they're quite different from the general style of {{Spoilers}} and {{Stub}}.

There's other stuff I've noticed could use some tinkering, but that's for another time when enough of those accumulate.

Oh, and you might be wondering why I skip all over the quests with Random Page instead of going to the quest index and doing everything from A to Z. Firstly, completely uncategorized quest articles exist, so there's essentially no way for me to find them (from the index) unless I know what to look for, and I obviously haven't been around here for that long. Secondly, skipping around is considerably less boring to me.

>>9890
>so there's essentially no way for me to find them (from the index) unless I know what to look for
http://tgchan.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex
Although the "more fun" argument is fine.

Right. {{TavStub}} has now been replaced with {{Stub}} across the whole wiki, and {{Stub}}'s image is now Tav.

Because I don't want to be a total killjoy, though, what I've done is modify Stub to support overriding the character in use; adding to the list basically means adding an appropriately-named image (and documenting it on the Template's page). So Sergal-y quests can still have John's pitiful beauty for their template, and Silvermoon can still have multiple stub templates. (Doing this now.)

If someone knows the original image for that Tav stub, a PNG version would be appreciated, since currently its JPG-ness is handled as a special case, and converting via a lossy format would be bad.

>>9890
Oh, w.r.t. nolink/noauthor, they're probably fine being as ugly as hell because they should be shouting HEY YOU YES YOU FIX THIS RIGHT NOW, whereas stubs and the like may well be something that sits around for months or years until someone can put in the not inconsiderable effort to write up a quest nicely. And "spoilers" is of course pretty much permanent. (I'm wondering if there's a better icon for that than the car spoiler.)

>>9917
The Sergal cull is complete. >:3c

>>9918
...and {{Noauthor}} is hardly used relative to the number of quests which got wikified without people actually filling in Typo's copy-paste template:

http://tgchan.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&ns0=1&redirs=0&search=%22AN+AUTHOR%22&limit=500&offset=0

Ugh. Ever get the feeling we need a Category:Threads Not Clutting Up The Quests Category Because They Died After A Single Session? :V

>>9919
This was part of the reasoning behind the Running Quests category as well as the original reason that one-shot quests were shunted off the main list into their own little world. I'm not really sure if that was an elegant solution in itself, though, either.

>>9866
>partially on suptg
http://tgchan.org/wiki/Template:Infobox#Other
http://tgchan.org/wiki/User:LionsPhil/InfoboxTest#Infobox_tests_for_awkward_mixed-hosting_quests
http://tgchan.org/wiki/Joandventure
I'll probably sort out that troublesome Tezakia thing next.

Also I've routed all the notice templates, including the ugly error ones, through Template:Notice anyway since apparently we have plenty of quests where the author is lost to history. :/ Some could benefit from icons; see the community portal.

Sure is LionsPhil in here today!

>>9919
If anyone wants to pick up the other 20-odd, I've done down to "Narwhal Quest" in this list adding infoboxes, which then adds Noauthor automatically (it'll do Nolink too if you find such a quest page).

There's also multi-author support in the Infobox now, along with autoadding the category for it I found someone had set up. So that's now working on Multiquest, Update Quest, and the odd other one I managed to find.

>>9917
>>9921
Now I'm surprised someone above in the thread greeted me with "finally someone who seems to know what they're doing has stepped in". You're quite better and the voodoo and you've been here all along.
Wrapping {{Nolink}} and {{Noauthor}} via {{Notice}} looks great, thanks for going through it.

> Ugh. Ever get the feeling we need a Category:Threads Not Clutting Up The Quests Category Because They Died After A Single Session? :V
> >>9920
If you go to the index of all quests looking for only running ones, well, there's the Running subcategory right there. Same for one-shots. And if you're looking for a specific quest, loads and loads of entries shouldn't bother you since the index is alphabetized.
The logic behind quest categories might not be perfect, but it does the job.

That is not to say that I'm not frustrated by the sheer amount of dropped quests that will never be updated but have an entry.

I venture to say we'll put those on low-priority, and by the time we get to them we won't care enough and will just delete them.

We should reconsider goals of this wiki from time to time. Numbers of abandoned quests grow faster than those updated and eventualy completed. If those dead tag-alongs put a lot of strain on us, then to hell with them. I don't think this wiki's purpose was to be a database for every thread ever created on the /quest/ board. I think the idea behind it was to collect knowledge about quests that someone cares about. I'm not saying burn down the village, but GM quest there is a good example of something I don't want to spend time on at all.

>>9937
"Running" is the wrong criteria. "Every got off the ground, even if stalled a few threads later" is more like it. What we probably want is for the default view when you hit "Wiki" over on /quest/ is probably something like the set Category:Quests minus the set Category:Stillborn Quests, so that skimming the list is more useful (e.g. new people looking for things to read, and we're close [40 quests away, I think!] from it being paginated, which will ruin everyone's day), but I don't think you can do that kind of thing in plain Mediawiki.

But, yeah, not to slap Typo in the face for his marathon of going through the graveyard and giving everything an article, but most of those I thought "you know, if I were an admin, I'd probably be reaching for delete instead of edit". And I'm one of those machine-processable semantics types that normally believes in capturing everything forever, but in those cases the wiki adds nothing the board database doesn't already have. :V

>>9937
>>9938
People told me that it was what the wiki was for, man. The running theme here until not all that long ago was "just make sure everything has archive links." |U

>>9939
There are a few I came across that are graveyard-only. :3c (In fact, recycling the work of the mods making the questarch/graveyard distinction is probably pretty smart.)

Er...since that board distinction gets dropped by the infobox templating, those would be:
http://tgchan.org/wiki/CheckerQuest
http://tgchan.org/wiki/Football_Manager_Quest
http://tgchan.org/wiki/GnarlyQuest (but someone might care about that? I just merged the mis-spelt GnarleyQuest into it)
http://tgchan.org/wiki/Decisions
http://tgchan.org/wiki/Satan_Quest
http://tgchan.org/wiki/Entropical_Island (this one's probably notable for its image-only suggestions---that basketball kid and Chomhabere are pretenders)
http://tgchan.org/wiki/Siegfried
http://tgchan.org/wiki/IFLAW_Sidequest
http://tgchan.org/wiki/Bright_Night
http://tgchan.org/wiki/Mitosis_Quest
http://tgchan.org/wiki/Narwhal_Quest
(...man, that's literally almost every Noauthor quest I did---I think there are two exceptions, and one of those (Hawksbury) is a short arch and then a graveyard. And people say tgchan used to be all gems all the time in the anon thread. :V )

http://tgchan.org/wiki/GM_Quest isn't even on kusaba; it predates it(!). Any oldfags want to pipe up on if it's historically significant? Because it didn't get very far.

>>9939
Sorry, Typo, I didn't mean to deny you the effort you put in this. It's just there're so much quests in need of destubbing, that if we can trim down the total number even by a quarter, it'll save us a great deal of time.

>>9941
GM Quest had more threads on /tg/ (that may or may not have been the same story ???), although I have no idea if they're archived. But I guess there's not really much else to say about it, besides the fact that it's the other quest besides Sue Quest that was on the wakaba board and therefore the second oldest quest on this site.

>>9943
Well, I mean, honestly, is there really any reason to make the articles for stillborn quests any more than the "something something extremely brief description"? Were these quests to not already have articles with threadlinks, I would probably be in favor of not creating them in the first place, but seeing as they're already there, I mean...

>>9938
>something like the set Category:Quests minus the set Category:Stillborn Quests...but I don't think you can do that kind of thing in plain Mediawiki.
Sigh. Sure enough, there's no usable set complement capability or extension I can find; closest is the Wikia "Forum" extension but that's got a lot of superflous crap on top.

So one way to perhaps deal with >>9941 et. al. is to be revisionists about the meaning of the word "quest" and say "if you only have graveyard threads and no exceptional claim to fame, you never made it to the point of being a Quest at all, get out of my taxonomy". Then shove them in Category:False Starts or something, which we shall pretend is not a subtype of Quest.

(The problem with doing a Category:Quests Which Have Got Somewhere is that it'd hide quests until someone bothered to add them, whereas this way around un-quests are shown until we revoke them. Someone starts a quest, we assume the best and it goes into Category:Quest from the get-go.)

God. I've turned this into an abortion argument. WHEN IS BABBY FORMED? D:

>>9946
Hmm. I like the idea of 'at least one thread in the archives' as being a metric for noteworthiness, with then isolated exceptions for truly noteworthy ones like DMCQuest.

This includes every single completed one-shot quest by default, and then also includes abandoned quests such as Mudy Quest and JimQuest, which I feel are noteworthy enough to be mentioned.

Yeah, good metric. I'm gonna +1 this.

>>9941
Hawksbury was done by The Littlest Emo.

http://tgchan.org/wiki/Category:Series_Quests

Would it be correct to imply that a quest belongs in this set if it has a thread2 specified in the infobox?

(Also, is anyone going to hate me if I move Vapour Quest to being, well, "Vapor Quest", so it'll sort under V? Fancy text-GUI Unicode fade will remain as a redirect.)

Arguable Complexity 2010/11/19(Fri)10:37 No. 10213 ID: 812e68
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>>10210
Why haven't I though of this?

>>9946
>>9950
This way we're essentially handing some the classification work over to the mods. But since they put threads into /questarch/ and /graveyard/ anyway, this won't be any extra effort on their side.

There's one thing left, though. By fencing out all graveyard-only quests, we might lose a couple of saveworthy ones. So yeah, some manual tuning will be due.

>>10210
Fine with me.

>>10210
Done on both counts. Suppose I may as well note some things we can't imply:
- If there's only thread1, it's ambiguous as to whether that's a one-shot, or a series that just hasn't reached its second thread yet.
- You can't imply image/text quest from the infobox image, since some image quests will have no image uploaded yet (in which case it's better to state nothing at all), and some text quests do have reasonable images for infobox use (e.g. Red Sky).
- The infobox can't tell which board threads are on, so it can't do a thing about the only-graveyard rule. And even some kind of batch job probably shouldn't since we want some human discretion.

>>9946
We seem to already have a Category:Dead Quests doing roughly this, so you can now tell the infobox template "dead=1", and it will use that category instead of Category:Quests. Because Wikipedia doesn't do any inference at all, this leaves it out of C:Q even though C:DQ is currently a specialisation of C:Q. I've set this on CheckerQuest to test it and I think it's doing what we want (it's out of the main list, it still has an article, it can still be found via Dead Quests [and also Image Quests...dunno if that's helpful or unhelpful]).

Oh, thoughts: quest character making a DAT ASS face for the NSFW template icon? Want some nice clean art that's recognizable at 40px.

>>365
Someone with sysop-level powers (Typo, probably) should be able to edit http://tgchan.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar to do this. Some docs here:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar#Customize_the_sidebar
I think you should be able to just use "** Category:Quests|Quests" and skip all the interface-string bits.

In theory we could probably drop the never-going-to-be-used "current events". The image there is neat but also the OP for this thread so not like it'll get lost to the ages.

>>10227
Even I don't appear to be able to edit that.

>>10228
Hunh.
http://tgchan.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop

Arguable Complexity 2010/12/07(Tue)10:31 No. 10899 ID: d4529b
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It might be unapparent why I did the last few changes. Here's a quick illustration.
Basically I got rid of two categories that were only used on one page.

Other pages in Cat:Sergals! not shown. Lots of various pages are in Cat:Stubs, not shown either. Cat:Fanart isn't really a subcategory of Cat:Tgchan, unlike what the picture suggests.

I want to edit the wiki but I can't edit the wiki.

It didn't use to require registration to edit. What's up?

>>11137
Bullshit like this http://quest.lv/wiki/User_talk:MelaineBooth , for the most part (spam, that is).

http://quest.lv/wiki/Special:Log/newusers
Also, randomly generated account names roughly every two weeks. I suspect they're lurking and waiting to spam one day too.

So I'm looking over http://tgchan.org/wiki/Category:Completed_Quests , having just added SDF's last couple of one-shots. And I notice that some of these are ragequit ends rather than actual reaching and ending (and one which was just the author explicitly if poitely stopping the quest mid-thread).

My take on that is that ragequits belong in the dead=1 set instead. "Completed Quest" kind of implies that there's a complete narrative there to read, like Journey.

I think that gets kind of subjective and is therefore bad.

Author stopping mid thread should be dead, but if there is some kind of resolution, the quest has an ending IMO.

>>11874
Subjectivity is unavoidable.

>>11875
This is true, but it should be minimized where possible.

You don't want people arguing over judgment calls - was the quest always intended to have a sudden 'trollish' ending, or the did the author ragequit? It could be impossible to tell based on the actual content of the quest.

>>11880
I'd worry about people arguing when and if it happens. Quests that ragequit are unlikely to have precious fans or authors still around.

I guess my issue is really that the critera for whether or not the author ragequit isn't based on any objective, easily discernible critera, and authorial intent determines category rather than any feature of the quest.

This seems like a bad way to categorize things to me. For instance, if SDF revealed that he had intended for Drunk Nevrean Quest to go on much longer, but quit in frustration when everybody suggested animal control, then by your own criteria you'd have to move it to "dead" instead of "completed."

Can someone admin-powered delete the redirect at http://tgchan.org/w/index.php?title=Tory%27s_Tower&redirect=no so that "Tory's tower" (note capitalisation) can be moved into its place (which will also set up the redirect the right way around)?

Obviously be careful that you're not deleting it after it's moved or deleting the page it currently redirects to. :V

(Beakie: use move for things like Lazuhrek‎->Lazurek since it preserves the edit history.)

>>12621
Done.

I think.

>>12626
And moved. Ta.

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap

This is what I was talking about in Icon dis thread. Could you please bug the admin about it?

We need to either get captchas implemented on account signup or just block it all until you have time, Dylan; the spambots are out in force.

>>13056
( http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Restrict_account_creation )

Moving to delete http://tgchan.org/wiki/Quest_Index and everything under that tree. It's all horribly out of date and horribly redundant with the quest pages themselves and the automatic categories. Maybe some of the /tg/ quests listed don't have pages here, but then I don't exactly see why they should; even our page for Ruby Quest is more-or-less a pointer to 1d4chan. And that's fine.

The one thing to perhaps save is http://tgchan.org/wiki/BHCQI and repurpose it to be the list of nontrivial completed quests: Journey, Bite, Last Flight, that kind of thing. Not all the random one-shots (good as some of them may be) and rocks-falls of Category:Completed_Quests.

02:30 < LionsPhil> Hey, Dylan16807: http://tgchan.org/wiki/User:LionsPhil/FanartTest
02:30 < LionsPhil> It's pretty ugly, but doesn't need the files uploaded to the wiki. :3
02:32 < LionsPhil> If Dylan had limitless free time this would be much easier if there were an URI-space carved somewhere that mapped from post numbers to their thumbnails.
02:33 < Dylan343> yeah that seems pretty easy
02:33 < LionsPhil> i.e. you GET /kusaba/questdis/thumb-for/339590 or maybe ...thumb-for/336257/339590, and it throws you an HTTP 301 to http://tgchan.org/kusaba/questdis/thumb/12956035692s.jpg
02:34 < Dylan343> I forgot what the single post query goes to
02:34 < LionsPhil> ...aaaaalthough come to think of it Mediawiki is hideous and that wouldn't work unless I could GET something with a recognized image filename. :|
02:34 < LionsPhil> I guess I could always pretend it was a PNG and let the real HTTP MIME type tell the browser otherwise. Nobody uses Internet Explorer, right?
02:35 < LionsPhil> (so it'd have to be ...thumbfor/123.png for this. Even if it 301s to a gif.)
02:39 < Dylan343> post this in the wiki thread so I don't forget

tl;dr /kusaba/BOARD/thumb-for/POST.png -HTTP301-> URL for the thumbnail

In much a same vein a mapping from pure board/post to board/thread#post would be incredibly useful for the citeq template, too, since it would remove the need for an explcit thread argument. e.g. /kusaba/meep/by-post/123 --> /kusaba/meep/12.html#123 Gotta be something along those lines already for the hover-previews.

>>13129
Sounds good. Although I always wondered what BHCQI stands for. The page name is about as unintuitive as it gets.

>>13142
And this is just plain awesome. I use a browser that used to be IE some eight years of development ago, but it'll probably do fine.

Also, sorry for my Cat:DELETE ME jackassery. I was just frustrated I couldn't delete accounts altogether.

>>13129
Right, this is done. We now have a http://tgchan.org/wiki/Major_Completed_Quests
It may be missing Hat Quest and Romanticar; they were missing proper descriptions in BHCQI and I couldn't determine if the latter actually came to a proper conclusion.

So if you think a major quest is missing, go for it.

No, you seem to have spotted all of them. We could reclassify Knight Blades as a Dive Quest prequel that "ended", but that's quite a stretch.

While you're at it, I'm gonna bring your attention to some other pages so as to question their relevance:

http://quest.lv/wiki/Minecraft - nothing links here and why is it there again?
http://quest.lv/wiki/Doubletestbed - probably was supposed to be in namespace?
http://quest.lv/wiki/Catagories - same
http://quest.lv/wiki/Dusker - blank page
http://quest.lv/wiki/Spikesby - character page
http://quest.lv/wiki/Totenkopf - character page
http://quest.lv/wiki/Atu - character page
http://quest.lv/wiki/Strip_Poker - while it might be a thing of interest, does it warrant its own wiki page?

>>13194
>http://quest.lv/wiki/Minecraft
I'll let this be someone else's call since I have no interest in Minecraft. I'm not sure if anyone even still plays on the tgchan server, or if those links are up to date?
>http://quest.lv/wiki/Strip_Poker
I can see this people being worthwhile if people care about it enough to pick out the bits of the thread and flesh out the page; the characters available and links to their quests, link to my DOSBox environment for running it under 64-bit, whatever the current instructions for making sets are, etc. Does anyone care to?

>>13166
>>13194
I want to say that the finished Romanticars and also Crowmanticar are probably long enough to warrant inclusion on that page, but not totally sure.

Does no one else think that the Major Completed Quests page is useless?
What makes something a Major Quest? Is it the amount of chapters or popularity?
Why is a separate page even needed for this?
Posted via http://www.vastbrowser.com

>>13229
Well, for one, thanks for posting from an obvious proxy instead of just posting as yourself.

Also,
>repurpose it to be the list of nontrivial completed quests: Journey, Bite, Last Flight, that kind of thing. Not all the random one-shots (good as some of them may be) and rocks-falls of Category:Completed_Quests.

Pretty sure the purpose of the page is pretty clear: so that someone looking for complete long-running quests can find them without digging through the pile of completed one-shots on the regular page. I suppose there might be some /tg/ quests that are long and have finished that aren't on there, but I wouldn't know.

HURRY QUEST IS NOT IN THE WIKI

HURRY THE FUCK UP AND ADD IT
http://quest.lv/kusaba/questarch/res/255487.html

http://tgchan.org/wiki/Carpal_Tunnel
Yeesh...best intentions and all but I don't think this page is a good idea, falling under the category of "health advice from THE INTERNETS".

In particular the suggestion to wear a wrist brace as often as possible is terrible; letting the muscles atrophy will just make things worse in the long run.

Man, there is a bunch of shit that is horribly out of date.

Cigarette!.0F/.triPs 2011/04/05(Tue)15:34 No. 14288 ID: 6795ff
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So I tried to request a wiki account to help fill in the tragic lack of information on Jukashi's various quests, only to be met with pic related when I submitted the form.

Any suggestions?

>>14288
What username did you request as? It might have gone through anyway.

>>14289
Cigarette

Hmm, afraid not. It'll have to wait for Dylan to take a look at it. :|

The one bit wouldn't fix without an update. So I updated everything. Seems okay now. And updates are nice I guess, didn't crash and burn.

>>14295
Thanks. Looks like it went through this time. :)

4chan quest from someone who moved to tgchan which has been purged from the suptg archive, so the link here is bad:

http://www1.tgchan.org/wiki/Driblis_Quest

Wat do?

http://www1.tgchan.org/wiki/Template:Featured_Article

Like Dylan said the other day, it's about time this got changed.

I'm suggesting Bite Quest, since it's a recent good example. (Or Last Flifht.) By which I mean I'll probably just go ahead and change it to that soon if there's no feedback.

Also the Bite Quest article could really, really use updating.

>>14587
It is of my completely unbiased opinion that it was totally super fine the way it was.

And Bite Quest...'s quest is older than mine he just took longer to finish it :<

You act like five whole months is a long time!

Wait that was posted 8 days ago? Wow, I'm slow.

alrighty, so i'm slapping my page up in the quest authors and am wondering if there is any sort of small, easy to do things that needs doing?

I expanded on nevrean a bit, but only because there is some discussion on them over in traditional games

Bob 2011/06/06(Mon)16:44 No. 15997 ID: 2563d4
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So hey, if you've been around the wiki a while, you might be used to the little "Help" link in the sidebar being pretty useless.

It isn't any more.

(You can also get there by clicking "Editing help" next to the save/preview buttons when editing a page.)

And while I'm bumping, opinions on >>13195 and >>14485 ?

http://www2.tgchan.org/wiki/Main_Page - 404 file not found

Shame the OP can't be edited to have the correct URL: http://quest.lv/wiki/

>>16137
It probably could, if Dylan was overflowing with enthusiasm. But that effort would be better spent putting a [Wiki] link in the top navigation with [questarch] and the like~

Since it's a major change, crosspostan:
>>17822
Fanart can now be used directly from the board without uploading.

I have an Idea,

when browsing through Quests there's no way of telling if the quest is a completed epic, or some no name thread that died off after 20 posts

what I think might be helpful is if beside each quest name, there was an indicator showing how many threads are in it.

another Idea is if when you mouse over one of the links, the main quest picture comes up. so you could see what the art looks like

>>17898
http://tgchan.org/wiki/Major_Completed_Quests
http://tgchan.org/wiki/Category:Series_Quests

that's not exactly what I'm talking about.

and maybe thread count is not even the best indicator
image might would be better

what I'm refering to is scale.

oh I just thought of something
maybe a "sort by" type feature would work

"thread count", "image count" "popularity" could be a couple examples

http://tgchan.org/wiki/Special:PopularPages

uh yeah, that's not what I'm talking about at all

I would appreciate it if you actually read my post

also that page is a pain in the ass to find,

>>17901
The wiki doesn't have that information, and unfortunately I don't know of any way to make use of it if it did. Category entries aren't really customisable.

>>17995
>we're looking at Infoboxes picking up quest OP images automatically
This is now live. All infoboxes without explicit images set are now falling back to the OP of the first thread. Maybe take a look at the the article for that quest you like but never got around to spiffying up the infobox for and see how the heuristic fared. If the image is inappropriate (e.g. it's a big black mess with "???" in it), do one of:
1) Set an uploaded wiki image filename with image
2) Set a post number for a better image with imageext
3) Set suppressimg=1 to just not show anything (e.g. text quests)

In other news, viewing the Template:Infobox source now begins to cause blood to pool at the bottom of the browser window. I'm sure it's nothing serious.

we can nominate quests of the week right? i wan't deep to be nominated this week, kays?

Deep's already been Featured Article, admittedly back in November 2009.

Generally I'd prefer a quest that was either running or finished...

>>19866
like black company or rinaquest?

i nominate passage or tales from meigara. starit needs some love

Voting for Passage.

>>19872
I'll vote for this as well

Sounds like a consensus to me!

So when should we feature a new article? Every two or three weeks or so?