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127013 No. 127013 ID: fc3e27

Quest: https://tgchan.org/kusaba/quest/res/915048.html

Disthread for my first ever Quest! I'm very new to this and probably really awful, so I'd love feedback and suggestions. Actually, the quest will probably die without them. Especially if I keep railroading this badly. Haha.
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No. 128229 ID: eeb7d9

If this doesn't become canon, i will be very upset.
I read this with Brendaniel's voice.
No. 128230 ID: 0e2ebe

What a monster.
No. 128233 ID: adb07a
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Well, if you read his, or her, or whatever, I dunno, reputation in full... You really don't want to compare. As presented in History the Emperor of Rome had lost about all grasp on reality and was living life as an underage prostitute. This is not the example you want. To cite other reported misdeeds...

- Basically raped a vestal, which are celibate for holy reasons
- Screwed over the religious pantheon
- Dishonored the Empire to the lowest possible depths without giving a single damn about his responsibilities as Emperor. Again, was being an underage prostitute in the royal palace. Imagine the president of the USAs doing that in the White House. Yeah. People are gonna be pissed and they should be.
- Enormous and blatant nepotism in administration

Elagabalus is rated as having one of the worst, if not THE worst historical ruler reputation in the whole of human History. Reading all the contemporary reports, he was a degenerate in full, not 'degenerate' as a cute online furry meme, but actual 'needs a therapist'. If you want a historically gay person in power to refer to? Not Elagabalus. Never take Elagabalus. Never. Ever. Don't even think about it, and you basically know how it ended for him, he got stabbed by his own soldiers.

Now I know what some people are gonna say and it's gonna be "but what if this was just rumours and character assassination". Well, 'character assassination' is claimed to happen to everyone with any sort of even slight side of controversy. This is often the first line of defense of revisionists of all allegiances, saying 'actually X wasn't that bad, he didn't even order that...' and going there is just a waste of time. Historians usually do a great job and Historiography is a real, serious and very scrutinized field but the first thing you're taught in class is that a "Historical Fact" can be many things and validating sources is very hard, especially old ones when History was more a hobby than a vocation and people felt entitled to add their strawberries to the salad. Like you're calling him 'her' but you don't know if that was an invention too, maybe he wasn't even a sexual deviant, but the point is that, the historical character called Elagabalus is all these things and will keep being these things barring a completely new source with perfect credibility that will disprove it (this will never happen). Elagabalus is a terrible person in Historical records and so comparing someone to him is comparing them to the one insane ruler in the Roman Empire that was getting paid, at the age of sixteen, to have sex with strangers in brothels while trying to get the people to worship him over the rest of the religious pantheon. Also he raped a sacred vestal. And yes, he probably was a transsexual, but NOT in a way that would get anyone to see it in a good way. WHILE having the responsibility of an entire empire and the millions of people living under his authority. I don't know if any of this is actually true: but it's up in the air and that is not good. Even if it wasn't, he obviously failed to maintain a balance and keep a lid on his deviancies. The best I could assume (and honestly what I think was the *most truthful*) is that he was just a troubled kid in an ancient society, not cut out for leadershp, with primitive ignorance of psychology and that was given ultimate power over the strongest nation in the entire world at the time.

This is... The wrong choice of idol, frankly. For weirdoes in administration that dude was a disaster and associating with him gives a very bad image. On the other hand, you got people like Frederick the Great.


Frederick III Prussia was nicknamed "The Great" for a lot of reasons, and none of them were self-aggrandizing propaganda you saw in more ancient times. Freddie was a GREAT ruler. And he had a bad case of being a big gay.

"Unusual for his time and aristocratic background, he criticized hunting as cruel, rough and uneducated"

A guy after my own heart. So he lived in the 18th century which, while better than the dark ages or ancient Rome, was still a time to get impaled for suspected sodomy. But he was an extremely competent ruler that was supported and beloved by his people, his administration and his soldiers, and he was a refined workaholic. So they didn't care event though it was known by about everyone which way he was swinging. Freddie also could keep a lid on it, so that it wasn't ostentatious and so most folks would either not have to know about it or could choose not to believe it.

He was even as close as possible to an atheist. Fancy that. The only thing you could reproach is antisemitist tendencies, after all nobody's perfect, and the conquest and exploitation of Poland, which is... Normal, for a ruler at the time.

In fact anyone had their way with Poland back then. My grandpapa was polish, so I can say it.
No. 128234 ID: eeb7d9

Wait, hold on, isn't this sopused to go in the Draw thread?
No. 128235 ID: adb07a

She said no so... No.
No. 128236 ID: eeb7d9

Who, Deer? If so, then let's carry on then.
Never heard of this Elagabalus guy. Sounds like a real piece of work.
How do you know so much of this stuff anyway? I am learning losts of things. In TG. How?
No. 128237 ID: adb07a

I would have been an historian if I didn't drop out. I've studied a lot of other things too. My degree was 'English Language' which covers a lot of things from how babies first learn to speak to how racism forms to the economical situation of the English Kingdom in 1600. And of course my favourite, how 9/11 was a CIA plot. Miss you Mr William Schnabel, hope your retirement's as fun as your lectures. He made a book about how Lovecraft is racist. Frankly, I haven't read it, because I don't like Lovecraft I like Tolkien.

Personally, I think that if you want to know anything as far a 'social' sciences are concerned (which are REAL sciences with many useful applications just like STEM fields), you need to know a lot of diffuse things, because any social issue is the cause, consequence and context of at least twenty other things. So knowing a bit about psychiatry, philosophy, or even joining the army can help you understand a historical personality or knowing the basics of economy can explain, say, the rise of certain ideologies. General knowledge like that is also a capital skill for storywriters and artists, because that's one thing to say "she's a gay ruler", it's different to explain how it matters. Well, personally I'm enjoying the characters without the need for drawn out explications over their world, so I don't mind.
No. 128238 ID: 7f132b

Don't take sources on her as objective fact. Most of the most trustworthy ones were written by Dio from a position of EXTREME hostility towards her, and definitely not intended to look good.

That said, I never said I idolize this person. They're simply a queer ruler who came to mind, because I recently wrote about them in a dissertation on gender dysphoria. None of their other deeds or politics are relevant here. I may as well have chosen Queen Anne, or Frederick the Great, or Al-Hakam II, or Ludwig Viktor.

The people Reno is actually based on can be seen in >>127111, I'm sorry to say.
No. 128239 ID: 31c299

Transsexual isn't a thing anymore. I don't have anything else to say.
No. 128240 ID: 7f132b

Also this. Taking into account your DeviantArt username, AldKai, I don't think I want to discuss these matters further with you. Apologies.
No. 128241 ID: b1b4f3

Isn't a thing anymore? I thought it meant the same thing as transgender. Is that what you mean, it's an obsolete term?
No. 128242 ID: 7f132b

It's considered anything from mildly offensive to simply scientifically inaccurate. The correct term is transgender, and has been for about twenty years now.
No. 128243 ID: 57f319

Yeah this >>128242 .
No. 128266 ID: 8c46c9
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I'm proud of you guys. This flashback has gone on for several days now, and not ONCE has the word "milf" been used.
No. 128267 ID: eeb7d9

You are going to jinx it, you fool!
No. 128268 ID: 57f319

Oh... You should have waited...

Besides she should be with someone nice and exists in the frozen North near her. And the acronym for that sucks.
No. 128270 ID: 91ee5f

You jinxed it, you fool!

Someone has just used the word “milf” in the quest!
No. 128277 ID: eeb7d9

It's ok! As long as the anons don't remember "that thing", it will be fine...
No. 128282 ID: 4294c6

I'm not a necrophiliac.
No. 128288 ID: eeb7d9

No- what? NO! I wasn't referring about THAT! But the point is not to say it, so i won't.
No. 128334 ID: bcc41d

Thorne and Eth kissing: Achieved.

High fives all 'round, people.
No. 128337 ID: c72efa

Well thorne kinda wasnt conscious
No. 128342 ID: 214cda

yeah i dont think it counts if one or more parties is unconscious and/or dying when it happens.
No. 128343 ID: 214cda

unless its the "mortally wounded on the battle field and now as i lay her dying kiss me because i've always loved you" kind of thing. That totally counts.
No. 128345 ID: bcc41d

Bah, you philistines! It was a practical life-saving suggestion! Now Eth can safely cross off that particular box on her bucket list without ever getting mauled by Thorne in the process! Unless there's another checkbox further down called "Tease Thorne about that time I kissed her"...

Really though, Eth trying to give Thorne air to keep her from dying was, I feel, illustrated in a cool and badass way. Me getting to deploy 'the kiss of breath' in a sentence is just a sweet bonus (to my incorrigible punny bone) and I'm happy the Deervine didn't feel obliged to insert inappropriate lewds (given the situation) into Eth's head because of it.
No. 128356 ID: f04438

So far, EthQuest has functioned on a weird scheduled, where I hop online whenever I can, and draw a few updates.

I've gotten a... mixed response to this. Some people love it, some people hate it.

Now I don't want to be working on this quest for several years, so I don't intend to slow down. But should I work out a schedule for when a session starts, so more people who are interested have the opportunity to join in? Say, every week on saturday at 2 PM CET, and extra dates whenever I announce them. Or is the current method fine for you folks?
No. 128357 ID: b1b4f3

Don't worry about it.
No. 128358 ID: 132a50

eh, i'm fine with whatever, as long as you give us like 5-10 minutes between updates to write a suggestion before starting work on the next one.
No. 128359 ID: eeb7d9

Yeah, i agree with this, is all right with me as long as i have time to write suggestions.
No. 128360 ID: bcc41d

Count me among those that like the rapid update style despite sometimes missing the chance to make input. Scheduling a good usual time will always be relative to you, and some people may start missing out on a chance to participate during sessions due to it being in the middle of their sleep/work/whatnot. I'd rather you varied it some, like you have been doing, rather than limiting to certain times of the day/week.

I'm not gonna diss on the method completely, mind. You can always announce when you plan to do a spree and just see what comes of it.
No. 128378 ID: 270774

as one of the people who struggles to keep up: don’t worry about it. the people who have the flexibility to consistently participate are having fun, and the people who don’t can still backread and leave suggestions in the lull between update sessions, and i think that evens out to being fine for everyone. plus, the most important thing is that it’s the update method that works for you. i think that trying to make things more rigid and schedule stuff is just going to put unnecessary strain on you.

i do agree with >>128360 that there’s no harm in throwing a quick “hey, i might be updating tonight” in the disthread sometimes especially if you think you’ll get a lot of updates done, so that people can try to be around, but i guess that might get cumbersome/cluttered depending on how often it happens. at the end of the day i think you should just stick to whatever’s easiest for you.
No. 128529 ID: 2a1bc8

Just realized I never actually posted that comment I thought I had three weeks ago. Now I feel rather the dullard.

Anyway, just wanted to tell you how cool I think this quest is. So far, the story has really been quite good. But I must say, the art is my favorite part. You basically use my favorite style; grayscale with deep color accents. So maybe I'm just biased, but I certainly love the art.

Eth is also pretty sexy, which, I mean, is kinda important. And also Reno.
And also Thorne.
No. 128531 ID: 32fd0c

Come on let's face it, Thorne's just fat (well she's probably all muscle but come on, one has to have a very specific taste to call that sexy, she's cool and big and dope, but not sexy, not that there's anything wrong with that)

p.s. - no offense to anyone who claims otherwise
No. 128536 ID: c8452a

...You knew people would disagree and yet you tried to make it an objective statement anyway, huh.
No. 128537 ID: b1b4f3

This is a bad post, fat or not.
No. 128545 ID: 7e6ec5
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>Thorne is just fat.
No. 128555 ID: 6fb3de

Thorne used to be my fursona so via like four layers you just called me fat wow ok
No. 128574 ID: a9af05

>Thorne's just fat
>not sexy
What you said is kinda rude.

Even if she is fat, she can still be sexy if she wants to be sexy.
No. 128585 ID: c8d230

Criticism is like spoiled meat.

It smells bad, tastes bad, sometimes just looking at it makes you sick.

But if it's properly prepared (constructive criticism) than eating it not only provides nutrition, but also builds immunity to the harmful effects.

Then there's unprepared, spoiled meat (haters). Eating that shit is just gonna tear you up from the inside.

That was a complicated metaphor who's basic massage was; don't take hate, because hate tastes like spoiled meat.
No. 128590 ID: 3ef4d3

Would an analogy of trying to swallow a whole, live pufferfish verses eating properly prepared fugu work better?
No. 128595 ID: c81ec8

Yeah probably. My analogy was spoiled meat cause I was eating discount steak at the time of writing.
No. 128601 ID: 449ffe

i'm thinking most analogies would have worked better.
(sorry, someone had to criticize the post about criticism)
No. 128604 ID: 94796c
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Hey all! I have a discord server now, at https://discord.gg/DVhDSj3! Come hang out!
No. 128632 ID: a938aa

No. 129180 ID: 975dce
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This is now also a Kindling disthread! At least until it gets big enough to need a proper one.

No. 129197 ID: ea5947

The art style of this quest is quite abstract and much different from Eth. Not that I mind, I find it quite interesting. As long as it's not used to censor certain things too much heh. What I'd like to ask is, what made you decide on this art style and will it remain the same through the whole quest?
No. 129199 ID: 4bfa7c

Gotta see how well it works, it'll probably develop quite a bit.

It was inspired partly by middle american art- mayan and aztec especially- and modern day pop art, with some dunmer thrown in.
No. 129405 ID: d767bd

Apologies for the hiatus!

Real life has been very stressful. I'll return to regular updates in a week!
No. 129408 ID: a27a13

that's fine, deer. hope things get better soon.
No. 129410 ID: eeb7d9

You do you stuff, mate, we aren't going anywhere!
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