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94347 No. 94347 ID: 8177e7

Thought it was about time I made a combined discussion thread for all my quests.
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No. 125155 ID: 977456

What if Ray Guns have a chance of exploding? A Rainbow Ray Gun will explode into relatively harmless rainbows and you will have lost your ability to make rainbows. A Radiation Ray Gun will explode into deadly radiation, and there goes your ability to cook stuff through walls. It would incentivise saving up your dangerous or versatile Ray Guns until desperation sets in.
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No. 125200 ID: 1a6fd4

>>125155
Ugh, no. Random-fail puzzles are the worst.
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No. 125203 ID: 4f1cbc

>>125155
Deliberately being able to overload ray guns and turn them into bombs you set down (or throw) and run from could be interesting.

Nethack had a similar mechanic for magic wands. Zap a wand of fire for a ray of flames, or if you're desperate and surrounded, break it over your knee for a fireball centered on yourself.
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No. 125204 ID: 1a6fd4

>>12520
Okay, yeah, that one I like. As long as it's a player decision and not a die roll, it's all good.
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No. 125439 ID: a255bd
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125439

I'M A GENIUS!
i figured out a way to communicate about the cyan bullshit!
DEEM CAN'T READ! we get her to copy down a letter to merud from an image. she can't herself read it and therefore won't trigger the trap!

the message needs to include the banned topics, mention of the cyan shit and her injured wrist, and a cry for help. i'm thinking we should tell him about the voices and remind him that deem can't write.

the problem would be to get her to do it. how do we convince her to send a message from us to merud, without telling her why she's doing it?
also we have to do this before she learns to read.
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No. 125441 ID: 5e9198

>>125439
Say Alkaline having a birthday party would be a good morale raiser, and that we want to get her a present to, but we want it to be a surprise.
And no, it will not involve boobs, exploding allies, or similar.
Then think of a birthday present for Alkaline to include in the message the Merud can give her during the party.
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No. 125442 ID: a255bd

>>125441
Alkaline can't read either. there is no reason for anything written. also, she'll want to just tell merud what to write, not copy down stuff she can't read. there's no way she'll agree to that.
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No. 125445 ID: 5e9198

>>125442
No, I mean we want Merud to make or get something that is a present for Alkaline.
And we want it to be a secret, so we ask Deem to write it down so that only Merud and us know what the present is. The note isn’t the present, whatever we ask Merud to get in the note is.

Like a proper club to replace her branch or something.
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No. 125446 ID: a255bd

>>125445
i see. there is no way she'll accept a gift for Alkaline being something that should be kept a secret from her.
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No. 125447 ID: 5e9198

>>125446
I just meant secret until the actual party and gift giving.
But yeah, Deem is kind of paranoid.
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No. 125448 ID: 1a6fd4

>>125439
There's a pretty big problem with that: Deem can't read in her own world, but she can hear what we write just fine. I mean, all our communication with her so far was written from our point of view, how do you propose we show her what to write without her understanding it?
...and now that I'm thinking about it, I realize what we must do: Captcha.
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No. 125450 ID: a255bd

>>125448
oh simple, we attach an image with the writing upside down.
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No. 125451 ID: b1b4f3

>>125448
We don't have to post the text alongside the image.
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No. 125452 ID: 1a6fd4

>>125441
>>125442
>>125445
>>125446
>>125447
You're overthinking it. "Hey Deem, we found a workaround for you having to learn to read and write. Let's test it: this text says 'Deem is great', if Merud can read it and tell you that's what it says, it works"
On text: "Merud, we're Deem's 'helpers'. The Sky Power has compromised her and is preventing her from learning about it. Don't react to this, instead pretend this says 'Deem is great'."

>>125451
Sure, but the image would have text in it.

>>125450
That could work.
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No. 125453 ID: 86636a

>>125452
'helpers' sounds suspicious, better say we're her familiar spirits or something like that
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No. 125454 ID: a255bd

>>125452
yeah, that sounds good.
the message should also tell merud that sky power is also responsible for her injury in the first place, that it prevents her from fixing herself and what topics she can't think about without it interfering and deleting those memories, and that we can't talk to her about it and therefore need his help.
just telling him without asking for help is risky. merud is not a very proactive person.
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No. 125455 ID: 1a6fd4

>>125454
We risk Deem getting suspicious about the sheer amount of text, tho.
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No. 125456 ID: a255bd

>>125455
shit, you're right.

also, now is not the right time, she'll be suspicious no matter what we tell her right now.
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No. 125458 ID: 5fd619

>>125439
BRILLIANT

>>125456
We could go with a short message and maybe tell him to continue the "lesson" so we can give him a second one? Yeah, I dunno.
And yeah, now's not the time, but we don't want to delay too much, she's already agreed to be taught. It normally takes time to learn to read and write fluidly even with a dedicated teacher, but with Deem being some kind of language savant, I don't trust that.
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No. 125469 ID: 977456

Something like this might work? Five words for a five word message...
DoNotReactToThis SayDeemCanCheatWriting DoNotKnowWhatWeAre DeemCursedBySkyPower? NoFixHeartNoKnowCurseNoThinkForbidden
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No. 125476 ID: b1b4f3

Why not pick a longer "message" if we're worried about that kind of thing? Tell Deem it says
"If you can read this, I've found a way to circumvent the limitations of my own knowledge. I won't need to be taught to read and write after all."
or
"This is a test of my literacy circumvention magic, hopefully it worked and you can read this. The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog."

We can easily fit a cry for help inside either of those. Something like
"Stay calm just say it worked. Deem was damaged imprisoned cursed by sky magic which blocks her perception of it We are advisors inside her mind, unaffected by curse."
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No. 125477 ID: 863e33

..actually why are we even telling him to pretend? if we tell her it's not a prank and that she can have merud vouch for us, let him read the letter aloud, she forgets she even gave him a letter.
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No. 125479 ID: 2007b6

>>125455
This can be excused by claiming that writing is a very inefficient medium for expressing just how great she truly is.
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No. 125480 ID: 2202fb

Someone should write up the letter sooner than later so we dont miss our opportunity.
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No. 125530 ID: 573ebb

I only just now realized that if we're one of the forbidden topics, then we must be part of the Sky Power's tampering as well...
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No. 125531 ID: b1b4f3

>>125530
It could just mean we're something the Sky Power wants her to forget about. Something that would make her incredibly angry if she remembers, perhaps? Or something that would remind her of why she got sealed in the first place.
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No. 125532 ID: a255bd

>>125530
or a defense mechanism
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No. 125596 ID: b1b4f3

You know, all this clever planning is cool and all but nobody seems to want to DO anything with it.
Are we gonna do this, or just pussyfoot around being too scared of making Deem suspicious? What would she even be suspicious about, anyway?
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No. 125599 ID: 5fd619

>>125596
I'd have said the best moment to do this is when she's alone with Merud, but someone had to go and mention speaking with Merud about something we don't want her to know, so now if we suggest passing a message of any sort to him she'll be suspicious. We're gonna have to wait on this until she stops being on edge now.
Maybe you haven't noticed, but she does NOT like the idea of us communicating in any way with anyone but her, and would ban it if she gets the slightest clue that that's what we're trying to do.
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No. 125605 ID: 10c408

>>125596
I've voted no on this whole issue to prevent Deem-centered explosions or worse.

Besides, it's pretty dickish to try and force the author to reveal something they've been building on for awhile with such little information we have, no matter how clever the brute force method sounds.
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No. 125607 ID: 1a6fd4

>>125605
You do realize that this is quest, right? Player agency is kind of important. If our ideas don't matter, it might as well be a web serial or something like that instead.
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No. 125631 ID: 10c408

>>125607
Not all ideas are good ideas. Agency is important, but so is discretion. As of this moment, I do not believe we have enough information to justify getting to the bottom of Deem's explosion causing skypower issue. And since sky power is purely antithetical to her continued existence, we should stop poking it and focus on things that don't cause explosions.

(Now, if Deem's heart gets patched and stops leaking mana...)
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No. 125636 ID: 977456

But Deem reassembling herself caused a blue-magic explosion right at the beginning. Plugging her hole would make god sad, and thus presumably is on the explosion list. A sensor that detects mana leakage or levels is probably easier than one that detects structural integrity, but could potentially be tested? Teleport the mana away or expend it constantly as it leaks? Stick Deem into the focal point of a massive mana accumulation array?

It is reasonable to doubt that Deem's mana incontinence can be corrected without addressing her curse. Of course, if she actually attempts to deal with the problem, then she will explode again, so any witnesses will know that something is up. It is our job to make sure that there are witnesses, that their observations survive, and that Deem doesn't shut down any ensuing investigations.

It should be as easy as getting Deem to try to reassemble herself with one or more of Stargazer, Moriko, and Merud watching. Shard goes into hole, Dungeon Core explodes, Mana-senser sees the whole thing and investigates...
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No. 125653 ID: a255bd

I went through the archives, looking for the forbidden topics.
The obvious ones are:
· Source of and events leading to damage to heart,
· Trying to repair the heart and
· Source of voices.
The less obvious one is that she can't talk about it, not just can't think about it (https://tgchan.org/kusaba/questarch/res/780479.html#807623). We can't tell her about the plans.
Also sky power is NOT a forbidden topic (though its aura is, for some reason)

That injured left wrist, that's from the Mahou Shoujo episode (https://tgchan.org/kusaba/questarch/res/568343.html#711173)

Now then, about the plan. I've noticed that Merud cannot stop talking with people about stuff. I don't think he'll keep the secret. Would that be a problem? I'm not sure we should care.
In any case, I think maybe we should give the letter to Moriko, she already knows about us and has seen Deem tearing off one of the manacles. I'll write a letter if I get some agreements.

(btw, I completely forgot about the mushroom potion options.)
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No. 125655 ID: a255bd

>>125605
>>125631
well, knowing arhra, if he wanted me to drop it he'd have told me to drop it, either here or on irc (btw come say hi in #tgchan - the server is irc.rizon.net. most people are usually nice.) worst case, if it's not supposed to work yet then it'll fail hilariously, which is fine. things failing hilariously is like 20% of the quest.
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No. 125657 ID: b1b4f3

>>125653
>hurt wrist is from the april fool's thread
Interesting! Odd though, it didn't seem to weaken the seal. Must be some redundancy in its structure.
Initially, seeing the image where she breaks the chain, I got worried, but... her behavior is not that different afterwards. She's not going berserk or anything.
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No. 125664 ID: a255bd

>>125657
no, if anything i wish we got her to break the other one too.
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No. 126254 ID: d18b05

Hmm this has been a busy month and November's looking worse. First half is actually a holiday for me, but that's meant more work on either side! Afraid updates are going to be sparse for a bit.
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No. 127084 ID: 10c408

Good job everyone, we pissed off Deem with incessant blathering and ended up making everything worse. We didn't even talk to Moriko.
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No. 127091 ID: 055cbc

Worse? or better? That's the first thing we've done that's had any effect on the seal other than derailing a train of thought.
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No. 127092 ID: 080aaf

>>127091
Worse. The seal is a mystery for another time, we had a chance to talk with Moriko about her block and ended up ignoring her the whole walk instead.
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No. 127131 ID: 824c43

>>127092
You win some, you lose some. Cracking the seal might be better for us in the long run.
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No. 127163 ID: 977456

I just wish we had sources other than "none of your business" Deem, "go to sleep forever" Seal, and a bunch of denizens that might figure something out/research but don't know what is going on and we can't talk to. Breaking the seal seems like a good idea because everything it says is subtly horrifying, but how do we know it won't heal Deem's heart and destroy her golem, or release some evil god to rampage across the world, or summon Ubergloom to be the new protagonist... there are all manner of ways that jumping on the seal could be A Bad Thing. Then again, it is a thing, and we can poke it... inevitability is inevitable.
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No. 127227 ID: 685d2b

So confession time: I was originally going to do a beach festival during the next town visit for a Very Spooky Halloween event in Dungeoneer but underestimated how buried in work I was going to be.

Now updates are back on track I'm a little on the fence whether to still go ahead with it or not as it is time taken away from actual dungeon stuff.
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No. 127228 ID: 824c43

>>127227
Sometimes plans just fall through. Don't feel pressured to follow up on plans once they no longer fit just because you planned them. Maybe its time will come next year.
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No. 127229 ID: 9caba2

>>127227
Well, if it's summer and the city normally has a beach festival, I wouldn't complain. We'd also get a better understanding of local geography then.
I guess someone from the town could conveniently drop by and inform people of the festival?

Speaking of seasons, how much time has passed in-quest so far?
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No. 127235 ID: 46f08c

>>127227
whichever would make a better story yo, the story comes first!
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No. 127236 ID: 40df11

>>127229
About five weeks!
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No. 127238 ID: 080aaf

>>127227
I'm rather curious how an adventurer would react if they met our minions in town after having been blasted back to the fountain by one of them. We have to visit town soon one way or the other so... go for it!
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No. 127288 ID: afdebc

>>127227
Content is content, and I think we'll have fun whichever way you decide to go.
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